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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Marcus said:
Yes, I understand that the prevailing ‘opinion’ around here is that Hannah runs the show now. But some here give the impression that she’s secretly confiding info that nobody else knows about. If you’re going to state a fact, provide a link, please.
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When I state a fact I will, maybe, if I feel like it. It certainly won’t be because you told me to. Meanwhile I’ll keep stating my opinions like everyone else does. Thanks.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Then that shouldn't have been the analogy..

And again he's done that behavior once. And we can't even say for sure that it began with his urging, we can only safely assume that he manufactured the outcome - at the likely behest of his client's wishes.

Once, out of some 50 clients.

If that's a pattern for bad pushing boundary behavior..
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It’s a good analogy it’s just lost on you. Not my fault it went over your head. Next time I will draw you pictures.

Mollywhopper said:
You might say Jalen Ramsey, and ok. But does it count the same if you know that Ramsey was practically begging Jacksonville to lock him up there long term after he'd already displayed pro-bowl and all-pro seasons there? Also after he'd watched other teammates of his with far lesser accomplishments receive longer-term deals in the meantime?
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Is this you? Because you outlined how a player of Mulugheta that doesn’t get his way from a team holds out for a trade.

Which is exactly what Watson did. Two for two.

That’s called a pattern.
 
Marcus said:
Yes, I understand that the prevailing ‘opinion’ around here is that Hannah runs the show now.
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Is it, though?

I mean, we've all joked about it. (Maybe some of us weren't joking.) But I don't think Hannah being more involved translates to "running the show." I don't know, maybe she's just more visible but was always involved.

For me, the main thing is that Easterby is out and things are getting back to a more normal sort of atmosphere.
 
The1ApplePie said:
If they are really butthurt about Stroud's agent, then I think are kind of forced to take Richardson. If they pass on QB at 2, then they lose all realistic chances of landing a great QB.

And I highly doubt Hooker makes it to 33, even with all of the question marks around age and injury history.

QB at 2 and BPA at 12 seems like the best possible outcome.
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Personally I wouldn’t touch Richardson unless he were there in the 3rd. Which, of course, he’d never make it that far. Very good athlete but doesn’t do anything for me as a QB.

I think Carolina is blowing smoke about Young trying to get the Texans to move up. I think they take Stroud. Texans will get Young at 2.

But if it doesn’t happen that way I don’t know what they’ll do. I’d take Hooker over Levis or Richardson but I don’t know where you get him. If he doesn’t make it to 33 do you trade back into the 1st?
 
Speedy said:
Personally I wouldn’t touch Richardson unless he were there in the 3rd. Which, of course, he’d never make it that far. Very good athlete but doesn’t do anything for me as a QB.

I think Carolina is blowing smoke about Young trying to get the Texans to move up. I think they take Stroud. Texans will get Young at 2.

But if it doesn’t happen that way I don’t know what they’ll do. I’d take Hooker over Levis or Richardson but I don’t know where you get him. If he doesn’t make it to 33 do you trade back into the 1st?
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Two reasons Texans shouldn't trade up - first, the Panthers may take the guy you don't want and secondly, either guy could bust. Iow, you could waste draft picks.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Is it, though?

I mean, we've all joked about it. (Maybe some of us weren't joking.) But I don't think Hannah being more involved translates to "running the show." I don't know, maybe she's just more visible but was always involved.

For me, the main thing is that Easterby is out and things are getting back to a more normal sort of atmosphere.
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“Getting back to normal” is the owner, whether it’s Hanna, Cal , or whoever, delegating the football decisions to the GM and then staying the F out of it. Wishful thinking I admit, but a winning organization would demand it.
 
Speedy said:
Personally I wouldn’t touch Richardson unless he were there in the 3rd. Which, of course, he’d never make it that far. Very good athlete but doesn’t do anything for me as a QB.

I think Carolina is blowing smoke about Young trying to get the Texans to move up. I think they take Stroud. Texans will get Young at 2.

But if it doesn’t happen that way I don’t know what they’ll do. I’d take Hooker over Levis or Richardson but I don’t know where you get him. If he doesn’t make it to 33 do you trade back into the 1st?
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Hell NO! Like you, I don’t even think he’s worth a 3rd pick. If Carolina take him with the first overall, I don’t think I’ll ever stop laughing.
 
Lucky said:
Baby Gronk? Who gave the guy that nickname? Does that make Mills Baby Peyton?
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He said something like that in a tweet. I did a quick DuckDuckGo to try to find it but all I’ve found is him saying he models his game after Gronkowski.

But I’m pretty sure he said it.
 
Marcus said:
Yes, I understand that the prevailing ‘opinion’ around here is that Hannah runs the show now. But some here give the impression that she’s secretly confiding info that nobody else knows about. If you’re going to state a fact, provide a link, please.
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She and Cal may have impressed upon the rest of the leadership their expectations, but I doubt they would get into the grind and gritty details they pay their grunts to do.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Has he though? Who besides Watson has he forced their way off of their team really?

You might say Jalen Ramsey, and ok. But does it count the same if you know that Ramsey was practically begging Jacksonville to lock him up there long term after he'd already displayed pro-bowl and all-pro seasons there? Also after he'd watched other teammates of his with far lesser accomplishments receive longer-term deals in the meantime?

So besides Watson - and out of his upwards of 50 or so clients including 1st round picks, pro-bowlers, and all-pros - how much has this narrative actually taken place, and how can it be scripted as his real working M.O.?
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Mollywhopper said:
Has he though? Who besides Watson has he forced their way off of their team really?

You might say Jalen Ramsey, and ok. But does it count the same if you know that Ramsey was practically begging Jacksonville to lock him up there long term after he'd already displayed pro-bowl and all-pro seasons there? Also after he'd watched other teammates of his with far lesser accomplishments receive longer-term deals in the meantime?

So besides Watson - and out of his upwards of 50 or so clients including 1st round picks, pro-bowlers, and all-pros - how much has this narrative actually taken place, and how can it be scripted as his real working M.O.?
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I was just mentioning something LZ had said. I believe they mentioned Watson, Ramsey and Yannick Ngakoue. I don’t know if Lance knows some behind the scenes info on these situations or not. For the record I wouldn’t have an issue with Stroud.
 
TexansBull said:
It’s a good analogy it’s just lost on you. Not my fault it went over your head. Next time I will draw you pictures.
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Again, the analogy would work if a sports agent is monogamous to a franchise. But everyone else seems to understand that they aren't.

Is this you? Because you outlined how a player of Mulugheta that doesn’t get his way from a team holds out for a trade.

Which is exactly what Watson did. Two for two.

That’s called a pattern.
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Actually I outlined how the player - Ramsey, here - wanted to stay with the team. Your whole point of contention is the fear of the player wanting to leave. This player absolutely wanted to stay. When he'd outperformed his peers and in fact teammates who were rewarded with extensions he then decided the relationship was fractured. It was Jacksonville's fault. Unless you think all sports owners and front offices are angels of course. Perhaps you do, ok.

That said even if I did grant you that Ramsey's situation were the same as Watson's, which it painfully obviously wasn't, that would still mark 2 times - as you said - that this type of situation had arrived. Two. That would then be 2 out of upwards of 50 clients of this agent. Two out of 50. So 4 percent.

So I give, you're right. He has a pattern of 4 percent chance of this happening again. A 96 percent chance it doesn't.

Hell of a pattern.
 
otisbean said:
I was just mentioning something LZ had said. I believe they mentioned Watson, Ramsey and Yannick Ngakoue. I don’t know if Lance knows some behind the scenes info on these situations or not. For the record I wouldn’t have an issue with Stroud.
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If there's info about Ngakoue's situation that would be cool.

I just never saw he and Mulugheta connected during his time/departure from Jacksonville.
 
TexansBull said:
You can’t believe everything on the internet Lucky.

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Stay golden, Pony Boy.
 
thunderkyss said:
He said something like that in a tweet. I did a quick DuckDuckGo to try to find it but all I’ve found is him saying he models his game after Gronkowski.

But I’m pretty sure he said it.
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I'm down with calling him Baby Huey.
 
Texansphan said:
Two reasons Texans shouldn't trade up - first, the Panthers may take the guy you don't want and secondly, either guy could bust. Iow, you could waste draft picks.
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What does it say about the draft when two different teams own/owned the 1st overall pick and both tried to unload it on to someone else?

The Texans winning that last game of the season sure made the top of the draft interesting.
 
Thorn said:
Or maybe the Panthers really want Young or Stroud. Agreed it would be foolish beyond even normal Texans foolishness for the Texans to trade up to 1.1.
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With the way they were acting when DeMeco was hired, I get the feeling they want to make a splash with this draft pick to pump up the fan base and Young is probably the best pick to do that. Yes, it's the wrong way to go about it in every sense, but this isn't like going against the popular pick in 2006. They were still basiclly in the honeymoon stage back then. Now, they're trying to sell tickets for the first time ever. So I wouldn't put it past them to trade up to 1.1
 
No doubt that the Texans are taking a RB in this draft. I've looked the class over, some I've seen play in games, others I've at min watched highlight packages...enough to get a feel of matches for this offense. And of course, reviewed general consensus. I'm looking for some lightning to Pierce's thunder, so mostly looking at quick/fast guys. I also want a guy that can be a real factor in the passing game. So, these are some possible picks at basically every level of the draft. These would be my favorite choices, but there's a few other possibilities as well. I think it's a long shot for my first two choices below, but they definitely fit the pass-catcher theme and would really help the offense, so can't rule these guys out. Robinson would be "the guy" and Gibbs would likely split snaps with Pierce. The others are complimentary players with Pierce playing more running/early downs.

1.12 (probably after a trade down - Bijon Robinson - really the only totally do it all back in the draft. I see McCraffrey and I see some Edggerin James. That's one heck of a combo, but he's a luxury pick and it's unlikely they take him.

2.33 - Jahmyr Gibbs - Someone said Alvin Kamara for a comp. Totally agree. He'd make a hell of a duo with Pierce. Again...still think unlikely

3.65 or 3.73 - Devon Achane - 4.32 speed? Hello electric! He's not a 3 down back, but man would he provide some lightning and change of pace to Pierce. Not the biggest guy and worried about blocking for the QB, and isn't a push the pile type. When hit, he'll go down. But he can catch passes, and he'd be an awesome compliment and bring some electricity to Reliant.

4th - Tyjae Spears - Two ACL's? That does worry me a lot. And he's a bit of a one year wonder. But I still like his game. He's got a lot of juice, can break tackles. He's not much bigger than Achane, but plays bigger. Still...those ACL's...hmmm. More review needed before I lock him in as my choice here. Chase Brown or Tank Bigsby are others I've looked at in this general range of the draft.

5th/6th/7th - My favorite guy late is Keaton Mitchell out of East Carolina. Not exactly sure where he will go but most likely 5th or 6th. Smaller guy and quick as a cucumber. He can go to zero to 60 in a flash. He had 54 runs of 10+ yards. And he played in a zone system. He'd be a specialty back for sure, but he has a ton of juice and could be dynamic with the right play caller. Others to consider are Duece Vaughn and Evan Hull.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Again, the analogy would work if a sports agent is monogamous to a franchise. But everyone else seems to understand that they aren't.



Actually I outlined how the player - Ramsey, here - wanted to stay with the team. Your whole point of contention is the fear of the player wanting to leave. This player absolutely wanted to stay. When he'd outperformed his peers and in fact teammates who were rewarded with extensions he then decided the relationship was fractured. It was Jacksonville's fault. Unless you think all sports owners and front offices are angels of course. Perhaps you do, ok.

That said even if I did grant you that Ramsey's situation were the same as Watson's, which it painfully obviously wasn't, that would still mark 2 times - as you said - that this type of situation had arrived. Two. That would then be 2 out of upwards of 50 clients of this agent. Two out of 50. So 4 percent.

So I give, you're right. He has a pattern of 4 percent chance of this happening again. A 96 percent chance it doesn't.

Hell of a pattern.
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I told you the analogy isn’t about relationships but about human behavior. You keep trying to say something I wrote is about something else to prove you aren’t wrong. But hey - Reading isn’t for everyone and being wrong is hard for you.

And don’t tell me what my point is. It isn’t about the player leaving. It is about getting bent over a barrel by the player - if they don’t get what they want when they want it then they don’t play out the contract they agreed to. You are trying to put words in my mouth to spin a conversation so that once again- you prove yourself right. Evidently that matters a lot to you.

And your stats are lies too but that is to be expected. Stats are lies. 2 out of the 50 clients didn’t get the contract they wanted so they held out and forced a trade. The other 48 got what they wanted when they wanted it. So if the team doesn’t agree to do what a player wants when they want it then 100% of the time the player doesn’t play out their contract, sits, and forces a trade. Lets sign up for more of that.

I will say it again so you can read it again- the player doesn’t play out the contract they agreed to they sit and force a trade. The 2 out of 2 times it happened. That is 100%.

You sign a contract you play it out. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if other players are getting extended, or you are out playing your contract. That’s what you agreed to play. Life ain’t fair. I am not crying for the players or owners. I care about the team.

Keep putting your head in the sand and ignoring history. That always works out well.

Save us both some time and don’t reply. I know what’s coming. A spin of you telling me what I am saying when I am not so that you are right.
 
Porky said:
No doubt that the Texans are taking a RB in this draft. I've looked the class over, some I've seen play in games, others I've at min watched highlight packages...enough to get a feel of matches for this offense. And of course, reviewed general consensus. I'm looking for some lightning to Pierce's thunder, so mostly looking at quick/fast guys. I also want a guy that can be a real factor in the passing game. So, these are some possible picks at basically every level of the draft. These would be my favorite choices, but there's a few other possibilities as well. I think it's a long shot for my first two choices below, but they definitely fit the pass-catcher theme and would really help the offense, so can't rule these guys out. Robinson would be "the guy" and Gibbs would likely split snaps with Pierce. The others are complimentary players with Pierce playing more running/early downs.

1.12 (probably after a trade down - Bijon Robinson - really the only totally do it all back in the draft. I see McCraffrey and I see some Edggerin James. That's one heck of a combo, but he's a luxury pick and it's unlikely they take him.

2.33 - Jahmyr Gibbs - Someone said Alvin Kamara for a comp. Totally agree. He'd make a hell of a duo with Pierce. Again...still think unlikely

3.65 or 3.73 - Devon Achane - 4.32 speed? Hello electric! He's not a 3 down back, but man would he provide some lightning and change of pace to Pierce. Not the biggest guy and worried about blocking for the QB, and isn't a push the pile type. When hit, he'll go down. But he can catch passes, and he'd be an awesome compliment and bring some electricity to Reliant.

4th - Tyjae Spears - Two ACL's? That does worry me a lot. And he's a bit of a one year wonder. But I still like his game. He's got a lot of juice, can break tackles. He's not much bigger than Achane, but plays bigger. Still...those ACL's...hmmm. More review needed before I lock him in as my choice here. Chase Brown or Tank Bigsby are others I've looked at in this general range of the draft.

5th/6th/7th - My favorite guy late is Keaton Mitchell out of East Carolina. Not exactly sure where he will go but most likely 5th or 6th. Smaller guy and quick as a cucumber. He can go to zero to 60 in a flash. He had 54 runs of 10+ yards. And he played in a zone system. He'd be a specialty back for sure, but he has a ton of juice and could be dynamic with the right play caller. Others to consider are Duece Vaughn and Evan Hull.
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I would argue Bijan is a weapon not a luxury and the Texans need weapons.
 
TexansBull said:
It’s a good analogy it’s just lost on you. Not my fault it went over your head. Next time I will draw you pictures.



Is this you? Because you outlined how a player of Mulugheta that doesn’t get his way from a team holds out for a trade.

Which is exactly what Watson did. Two for two.

That’s called a pattern.
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Don't draw pictures. Video would be preferable for that analogy. I kid. I kid.
 
TexansBull said:
I told you the analogy isn’t about relationships but about human behavior. You keep trying to say something I wrote is about something else to prove you aren’t wrong. But hey - Reading isn’t for everyone and being wrong is hard for you.

And don’t tell me what my point is. It isn’t about the player leaving. It is about getting bent over a barrel by the player - if they don’t get what they want when they want it then they don’t play out the contract they agreed to. You are trying to put words in my mouth to spin a conversation so that once again- you prove yourself right. Evidently that matters a lot to you.

And your stats are lies too but that is to be expected. Stats are lies. 2 out of the 50 clients didn’t get the contract they wanted so they held out and forced a trade. The other 48 got what they wanted when they wanted it. So if the team doesn’t agree to do what a player wants when they want it then 100% of the time the player doesn’t play out their contract, sits, and forces a trade. Lets sign up for more of that.

I will say it again so you can read it again- the player doesn’t play out the contract they agreed to they sit and force a trade. The 2 out of 2 times it happened. That is 100%.

You sign a contract you play it out. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if other players are getting extended, or you are out playing your contract. That’s what you agreed to play. Life ain’t fair. I am not crying for the players or owners. I care about the team.

Keep putting your head in the sand and ignoring history. That always works out well.

Save us both some time and don’t reply. I know what’s coming. A spin of you telling me what I am saying when I am not so that you are right.
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That's a whole lot under the guise of not really being concerned all that much with being right, ok.

Pretty sure you used the marriage reference for a reason, but ok also.

How do you know all of the other 48 were completely kosher with their deal as it went on? I know I don't. You do? Well I doubt it, but I don't doubt that at least some were, because well, that's par for the course in pro sports. Particularly pro sports with non-guaranteed contracts. But my point was that of those entire 48 that you insist were on cloud 9 with their deals throughout - though again I and most anyone else find that hard to believe - none of them had their mustache twirling agent force a trade to another team. Not a single other one.

So sure 2 out of 2 is 2. You got me there. And 2 out of 2 hits is batting 1.000. But considering there were another 48 opportunities to record a hit - even though you contend that not a single one even looked at a pitch - I think it's worth noting in the equation regarding the Mulugheta get out of town batting average.

But please, tell me that reading is hard for me, or that I'm putting words in your mouth (your words, btw), or that my head is in the sand, or that I'm spinning something.. again, a whole lot for someone so nonchalant about being right..

Also, if you already know what I'm going to say just go ahead and take a minute and read it first so maybe we can move on.. maybe?
 
Texansphan said:
A backfield with Pierce and Robinson in it would definitely be a weapon and open up the passing game.
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Especially considering that Robinson is also an outstanding receiver, make him more than just a running back. He's a weapon that can line up all over the field on offense. Slot, wide, h-back, etc. He's going to be a nightmare match up problem for any defense.

If they take him at #12, I’d have no problem with it.
 
Marcus said:
Especially considering that Robinson is also an outstanding receiver, make him more than just a running back. He's a weapon that can line up all over the field on offense. Slot, wide, h-back, etc. He's going to be a nightmare match up problem for any defense.

If they take him at #12, I’d have no problem with it.
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I mentioned somewhere that I wouldn't be upset with that, but I just can't see Texans doing it.
Ultimately, the best way to protect your QB is with a strong ground game where he merely hands the ball off the majority of the snaps.
You won't get sacked in that scenario.
 
James Liipfert says Texans weigh season-ending injuries on case by case basis
MARK LANE
Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 1:03 PM CDT2 min read

The nature of the NFL draft is such that all 32 teams could be selecting players whose college careers were summarily ended with an injury.

The Houston Texans are no exception. In fact, their two first-round picks from last year — cornerback Derek Stingley and guard Kenyon Green — both missed time during offseason workouts. Stingley was recovering from a foot injury that kept him to just three games in 2021, and Green was recovering from offseason knee surgery.

Don’t be surprised if the Texans are taking a player in the 2023 NFL draft who also had his college career cut short with an injury.

According to assistant director of player personnel and college scouting director James Liipfert, the Texans don’t see all season-ending injuries to college players as equal.

“I think that’s an extremely case-by-case thing,” Liipfert said. “Not all season-ending injuries are the same. A guy could have torn his ACL in Week 2 or a guy could have broken his pinky finger in Week 12. They were both season-ending injuries.”

Liipfert provided that what helps their case determination is the Texans’ medical staff, who he referred to as “a bunch of rockstars,” and are consistent with their information on prospects.

“We have really good meetings with them,” said Liipfert. “It’s a constant flow of information, sending them information, getting their thoughts. They have their grading process on how we look at guys. I would say you’re not scared of it, but ultimately you need to have conviction to when is the guy going to be ready and what are you going to get out of this guy when he is ready to go. As long as you have the information, that’s all that matters.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
James Liipfert says Texans weigh season-ending injuries on case by case basis
MARK LANE
Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 1:03 PM CDT2 min read

The nature of the NFL draft is such that all 32 teams could be selecting players whose college careers were summarily ended with an injury.

The Houston Texans are no exception. In fact, their two first-round picks from last year — cornerback Derek Stingley and guard Kenyon Green — both missed time during offseason workouts. Stingley was recovering from a foot injury that kept him to just three games in 2021, and Green was recovering from offseason knee surgery.

Don’t be surprised if the Texans are taking a player in the 2023 NFL draft who also had his college career cut short with an injury.

According to assistant director of player personnel and college scouting director James Liipfert, the Texans don’t see all season-ending injuries to college players as equal.

“I think that’s an extremely case-by-case thing,” Liipfert said. “Not all season-ending injuries are the same. A guy could have torn his ACL in Week 2 or a guy could have broken his pinky finger in Week 12. They were both season-ending injuries.”

Liipfert provided that what helps their case determination is the Texans’ medical staff, who he referred to as “a bunch of rockstars,” and are consistent with their information on prospects.

“We have really good meetings with them,” said Liipfert. “It’s a constant flow of information, sending them information, getting their thoughts. They have their grading process on how we look at guys. I would say you’re not scared of it, but ultimately you need to have conviction to when is the guy going to be ready and what are you going to get out of this guy when he is ready to go. As long as you have the information, that’s all that matters.”
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"Rockstars" eh?
Let's hope their assessments match their rating.
Perhaps we can see "rockstar" recoveries from Stingley, Metchie and Green.
That would certainly be a boost for this rebuild.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
James Liipfert says Texans weigh season-ending injuries on case by case basis
MARK LANE
Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 1:03 PM CDT2 min read

The nature of the NFL draft is such that all 32 teams could be selecting players whose college careers were summarily ended with an injury.

The Houston Texans are no exception. In fact, their two first-round picks from last year — cornerback Derek Stingley and guard Kenyon Green — both missed time during offseason workouts. Stingley was recovering from a foot injury that kept him to just three games in 2021, and Green was recovering from offseason knee surgery.

Don’t be surprised if the Texans are taking a player in the 2023 NFL draft who also had his college career cut short with an injury.

According to assistant director of player personnel and college scouting director James Liipfert, the Texans don’t see all season-ending injuries to college players as equal.

“I think that’s an extremely case-by-case thing,” Liipfert said. “Not all season-ending injuries are the same. A guy could have torn his ACL in Week 2 or a guy could have broken his pinky finger in Week 12. They were both season-ending injuries.”

Liipfert provided that what helps their case determination is the Texans’ medical staff, who he referred to as “a bunch of rockstars,” and are consistent with their information on prospects.

“We have really good meetings with them,” said Liipfert. “It’s a constant flow of information, sending them information, getting their thoughts. They have their grading process on how we look at guys. I would say you’re not scared of it, but ultimately you need to have conviction to when is the guy going to be ready and what are you going to get out of this guy when he is ready to go. As long as you have the information, that’s all that matters.”
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I have seen a ton of adjectives for the Texans’ medical staff over the years. Rockstars has never been one of them…
 
Our own Doc does a better job of sharing injury info than does the team docs.

Doesn't have to sugar coat anything to please the owners.

The jury is still out, but I believe "our Doc" was leery about Stingleys injuries last year.

There have been several other instances over the years, too many to list.

:coffee:
 
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