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Takeaways from the Jags game.

badboy said:
Miami could trade out of 1.1 and pick up a fantastic package and still get five to six starters with their rounds 1 and 2. In my opinion this was a perfect year for them to exercise this plan. They should be able to get a prime starting QB, wide receiver like Jerry jeudy, a cornerback or 2, a LT and lots of depth in their draft. Oh, and they have 2 first round and 2 second rounds in 20 21.
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And yet they’re being criticized by GMs around the league for the path they’ve taken with the knowledge the draft is a crapshoot. They’ll be drafting the same players they’ve traded away.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article234832302.html

NFL Network draft analyst Bucky Brooks: “Accumulating a war chest of draft picks looks great on paper, but picking the players is a challenge. If first round-picks carry a 50% success rate, the Miami Dolphins would need to be exceptional drafters to match the value of what walked out of the door.

“It sounds nice, but the odds are against them nailing enough picks to move the needle. Just look at the history of teams with multiple picks.. It’s hard to find teams who’ve successfully parlayed draft picks into peak performance from multiple players from the same draft class.”...
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And more in the article linked.
 
maverick512000 said:
And we’re back to the same crap as always. I was just on the Dolphins forum and they are happier about their team and more hopeful about the future than we are.
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Well they're looking forward to an event in April they believe will see a lot of activity from their team. They're watching this college football season through a new lense, with much fervor.

Wait until their FO screw it up.

We on the other hand are looking towards Sunday with a good idea of what's going to happen. Not as good as NO with a terrible outcome. Not as bad as Jacksonville with a good outcome. Somewhere in between with a new version of an old reason to be upset/disappointed in Bill O'Brien.
 
thunderkyss said:
Somewhere in between with a new version of an old reason to be upset/disappointed in Bill O'Brien.
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That about sums it up for me. I wish it was different. I really, really do. I enjoy watching the Texans on Sundays, and look forward to the games all week. Being able to be optimistic about each game makes it even better. But it is difficult to be optimistic with the current Texans' head coach in control.

I just don't believe that O'Brien has what it takes to get this team to the next level... in fact, it is my opinion that he makes this team worse than what it could be. And I find myself not caring about the team as much as I want to.

My apologies to Bill's family and friends... but that's the way I feel. :(

Edit to add: I would be ecstatic for BOB to prove me wrong...
 
Dishman said:
And yet they’re being criticized by GMs around the league for the path they’ve taken with the knowledge the draft is a crapshoot. They’ll be drafting the same players they’ve traded away.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article234832302.html



And more in the article linked.
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Bucky Brooks is not one of the NFL GM's the last I checked LOL. If the statistics of first-round picks at 50% is true, Miami will more than likely have 1.1 which will be a much higher percentage of success. Even trading down to the top 15 would still be a higher than 50% success ratio in my opinion. In addition, trading down if you spot could bring one or two vets with greater than 50% chance in the NFL while still getting a round pick in that trade down.
 
steelbtexan said:
Which is another reason fans should be happy with the trade for Tunsil.
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if Miami traded the third first round pick for Jalen Ramsey and used their 1.1 projected for a trade down to include drafting wide receiver Judy from Alabama and one or two starting vets and then use their first round pick from Houston to get a quarterback they would look pretty good going into 2020 in my opinion. Their two seconds could bring good o line also.
 
badboy said:
if Miami traded the third first round pick for Jalen Ramsey and used their 1.1 projected for a trade down to include drafting wide receiver Judy from Alabama and one or two starting vets and then use their first round pick from Houston to get a quarterback they would look pretty good going into 2020 in my opinion. Their two seconds could bring good o line also.
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Only about 50 percent of 1st Rd picks hit.

At least you know what you have in Tunsil.

Miami could be good or not, with Greir running the show I would bet on not.
 
steelbtexan said:
Which is another reason fans should be happy with the trade for Tunsil.
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if Miami traded the third first round pick for Jalen Ramsey and used their 1.1 projected for a trade down to include drafting wide receiver Judy from Alabama and one or two starting vets and then use their first round pick from Houston to get a quarterback they would look pretty good going into 2020 in my opinion. Their two seconds could bring good o line also.
steelbtexan said:
Only about 50 percent of 1st Rd picks hit.

At least you know what you have in Tunsil.

Miami could be good or not, with Greir running the show I would bet on not.
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I am cool with the tonsil trade. I'm also very cool with where Miami has stationed themselves. Chris Grier and head coach Flores could both be gone in 2020 in my opinion.
 
JB said:
What's wrong with not taking a negative view of everything? I haven't heard or read anyone praising OB, just realizing that there is more to the story than just OB.
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Can we stop worrying about negative vs positive and who is what and all that BS?

I want the Texans to win more than anyone, or at least as much as anyone. My comments stem from what I see from the team. Unfortunately, there's been a lot more negative to comment on than positive for a while now. Doesn't mean I'm a negative person or have some BS agenda. It's just the results of what the team has shown ME on and off the field. Not an agenda, the Texans did it.

Case in point, I've commented just recently how much improved the o-line looked Sunday, over what they looked like in week 1, particularly Nick Martin. I still think it was stupid to make him the 2nd highest paid C in the NFL, but dude had a really, really good game Sunday. At least in pass pro, I didn't watch any run plays. So no, I'm not sitting here hoping Martin trips over his own feet every game to back me thinking his contract is stupid, so I can come back with a "see I told you so". I don't operate like that as a person.

We all have our opinions and we are all wrong a lot more than we think. Just go back a look at the JJ Watt draft thread. Hilarious how many people thought what they did, argued vehemently about it, and were dead wrong.

In my opinion, Bill O'Brien is an average coach who struggles with in game decisions, game planning, and offensive design, among other things. Not because I don't like him and want him gone, but because that's what I've seen from him in 5+ years. I also think he's below average when it comes to player evaluations, from what I've seen in 5+ years, and now he's the damn GM. That personally doesn't leave me feeling good about the direction this team is on. Could be wrong, could be right, I don't really care. I just need to see the needle move and it hasn’t in 5+ years. And that's going to have to happen first before I can get behind anyone in the offices on Kirby.

I don't have an agenda other than wanting better for the Houston Texans. I want out of this purgatory of mediocrity, and after 5+ years, I don't believe in my heart of hearts that OB is the one to pull us out of it. In fact, he's one of the main reasons we're stuck there. So if that's an agenda, then so be it. But that still doesn't dictate how I comment. I comment based on the actions and results I see, good or bad.

So stop bogging down threads about who's too negative and who's too sunshiny, and talk about f*^cking football. There’s an ignore feature on this board. You do have the power to control some of this stuff.
 
Speedy said:
So stop bogging down threads about who's too negative and who's too sunshiny, and talk about f*^cking football. There’s an ignore feature on this board. You do have the power to control some of this stuff.
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wow
 
Speedy said:
Can we stop worrying about negative vs positive and who is what and all that BS?

I want the Texans to win more than anyone, or at least as much as anyone. My comments stem from what I see from the team. Unfortunately, there's been a lot more negative to comment on than positive for a while now. Doesn't mean I'm a negative person or have some BS agenda. It's just the results of what the team has shown ME on and off the field. Not an agenda, the Texans did it.

Case in point, I've commented just recently how much improved the o-line looked Sunday, over what they looked like in week 1, particularly Nick Martin. I still think it was stupid to make him the 2nd highest paid C in the NFL, but dude had a really, really good game Sunday. At least in pass pro, I didn't watch any run plays. So no, I'm not sitting here hoping Martin trips over his own feet every game to back me thinking his contract is stupid, so I can come back with a "see I told you so". I don't operate like that as a person.

We all have our opinions and we are all wrong a lot more than we think. Just go back a look at the JJ Watt draft thread. Hilarious how many people thought what they did, argued vehemently about it, and were dead wrong.

In my opinion, Bill O'Brien is an average coach who struggles with in game decisions, game planning, and offensive design, among other things. Not because I don't like him and want him gone, but because that's what I've seen from him in 5+ years. I also think he's below average when it comes to player evaluations, from what I've seen in 5+ years, and now he's the damn GM. That personally doesn't leave me feeling good about the direction this team is on. Could be wrong, could be right, I don't really care. I just need to see the needle move and it hasn’t in 5+ years. And that's going to have to happen first before I can get behind anyone in the offices on Kirby.

I don't have an agenda other than wanting better for the Houston Texans. I want out of this purgatory of mediocrity, and after 5+ years, I don't believe in my heart of hearts that OB is the one to pull us out of it. In fact, he's one of the main reasons we're stuck there. So if that's an agenda, then so be it. But that still doesn't dictate how I comment. I comment based on the actions and results I see, good or bad.

So stop bogging down threads about who's too negative and who's too sunshiny, and talk about f*^cking football. There’s an ignore feature on this board. You do have the power to control some of this stuff.
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This isn't really aimed at you Speedy just your post is a chance to highlight a point.

I would be on board with this except no one can just "talk about f*^cking football" on this board without attacking anyone that disagrees with them, beating the same dead horses over and over or trying to invalidate someone's point by saying they are just a [insert whoever] lover. Likewise everyone is paying lip service to the whole "we all have opinions and we're all wrong a lot" but fact is when they are actually saying it and then defending it not only do they not think they're wrong but they wouldn't even entertain the idea they are wrong and that anyone that has a different view point is an idiot. At that point the whole 'Its a discussion" line becomes BS and it resembles more a "debate" between Dem and Rep presidential candidates than a couple of football fans. People are passionate, I get it, but passion is no excuse for people to abandon the basics of common courtesy nor to just automatically disregard what the other person is saying.
 
JB said:
wow
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The post you responded too is why so many long time posters have left.

You cant have a conversation with him or his type.

It's like the new MB has empowered a few to be rude and it's also affected some posters reading comprehension levels.
 
maverick512000 said:
This isn't really aimed at you Speedy just your post is a chance to highlight a point.

I would be on board with this except no one can just "talk about f*^cking football" on this board without attacking anyone that disagrees with them, beating the same dead horses over and over or trying to invalidate someone's point by saying they are just a [insert whoever] lover. Likewise everyone is paying lip service to the whole "we all have opinions and we're all wrong a lot" but fact is when they are actually saying it and then defending it not only do they not think they're wrong but they wouldn't even entertain the idea they are wrong and that anyone that has a different view point is an idiot. At that point the whole 'Its a discussion" line becomes BS and it resembles more a "debate" between Dem and Rep presidential candidates than a couple of football fans. People are passionate, I get it, but passion is no excuse for people to abandon the basics of common courtesy nor to just automatically disregard what the other person is saying.
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Amen

And to Speedy's post, I like the new aggressive direction of the franchise. They have the main areas where you need star level players QB/LT/Pass Rusher/CB isn't a black hole.

They just need for Watson to grow as a QB and the OL to play together. I mean the OL didn't look that bad last game considering that 2 rookie OL were starting for the 1st time and they won the game with Watson having a below avg game.

These are growing pains and it takes time to become a cohesive unit. I understand that fans are impatient but the time line stays the same.
 
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I don't believe they're being that aggressive. They're acting out of desperation . A trend that's be going for quite some time now.. All because they're mortgaging the future for one player you like, doesn't mean they're being aggressive. Bill O'Brien, RAC and Delvin jobs are on the line. Cal is not messing around.
 
Speedy said:
Can we stop worrying about negative vs positive and who is what and all that BS?

I want the Texans to win more than anyone, or at least as much as anyone. My comments stem from what I see from the team. Unfortunately, there's been a lot more negative to comment on than positive for a while now. Doesn't mean I'm a negative person or have some BS agenda. It's just the results of what the team has shown ME on and off the field. Not an agenda, the Texans did it.

Case in point, I've commented just recently how much improved the o-line looked Sunday, over what they looked like in week 1, particularly Nick Martin. I still think it was stupid to make him the 2nd highest paid C in the NFL, but dude had a really, really good game Sunday. At least in pass pro, I didn't watch any run plays. So no, I'm not sitting here hoping Martin trips over his own feet every game to back me thinking his contract is stupid, so I can come back with a "see I told you so". I don't operate like that as a person.

We all have our opinions and we are all wrong a lot more than we think. Just go back a look at the JJ Watt draft thread. Hilarious how many people thought what they did, argued vehemently about it, and were dead wrong.

In my opinion, Bill O'Brien is an average coach who struggles with in game decisions, game planning, and offensive design, among other things. Not because I don't like him and want him gone, but because that's what I've seen from him in 5+ years. I also think he's below average when it comes to player evaluations, from what I've seen in 5+ years, and now he's the damn GM. That personally doesn't leave me feeling good about the direction this team is on. Could be wrong, could be right, I don't really care. I just need to see the needle move and it hasn’t in 5+ years. And that's going to have to happen first before I can get behind anyone in the offices on Kirby.

I don't have an agenda other than wanting better for the Houston Texans. I want out of this purgatory of mediocrity, and after 5+ years, I don't believe in my heart of hearts that OB is the one to pull us out of it. In fact, he's one of the main reasons we're stuck there. So if that's an agenda, then so be it. But that still doesn't dictate how I comment. I comment based on the actions and results I see, good or bad.

So stop bogging down threads about who's too negative and who's too sunshiny, and talk about f*^cking football. There’s an ignore feature on this board. You do have the power to control some of this stuff.
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A lot of the "negative" people are just negative on O'Brien and are actually far more positive on Watson, Crennel and other aspects of the team.

But since O'Brien is head coach, GM, oc, playcaller, timeout and challenge flag guy, it comes back to him and how he screws every part of his job up
 
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A lot of the "negative" people are just negative on O'Brien and are actually far more positive on Watson, Crennel and other aspects of the team.

But since O'Brien is head coach, GM, oc, playcaller, timeout and challenge flag guy, it comes back to him and how he screws every part of his job up
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But no need to dwell on that
 
Texansballer74 said:
I don't believe they're being that aggressive. They're acting out of desperation . A trend that's be going for quite some time now.. All because they're mortgaging the future for one player you like, doesn't mean they're being aggressive. Bill O'Brien, RAC and Delvin jobs are on the line. Cal is not messing around.
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They should have made a move like this last yr.

What I call aggressive you call desperation. One things for sure things have finally came true. Things have changed down on Kirby and for that we can all be thankful. This is a new day and mediocrity hopefully is a thing of the past and no I dont think they're winning a SB this yr, but they've atleast chosen to do the right thing and try to protect Watson.
 
The only thing that changed on Kirby is full power to Bill O'Brien. The dysfunctional aspect of it all is still there. Reason why we currently don't have a true GM. The reason why were given away all of our draft capital. Another reason why this time next year we're more and likely be in tax hell. ( Watson getting the highest paid QB extension and Tunsil getting the highest paid LT extension. So I really don't know how you think that's a step in the right direction.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I don't believe they're being that aggressive. They're acting out of desperation . A trend that's be going for quite some time now.. All because they're mortgaging the future for one player you like, doesn't mean they're being aggressive. Bill O'Brien, RAC and Delvin jobs are on the line. Cal is not messing around.
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One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist. You could argue that trading up for Watson was a move out of desperation, really you can argue about any move up or big trade deal is either aggressive or desperate. The ultimate deciding factor is does it work or not. If the Texans have a good season, and that's up to each person to decide what a good season means to them, then O'Brien and the Texans were being aggressive and making the moves they have to in order to get to the next level. If it doesn't work and Texans have a repeat of previous years then it was a desperate move by a HC that had one foot out the door and screwed over the team on his way out.

Two weeks into the season we really don't even know what kind of team we have.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The only thing that changed on Kirby is full power to Bill O'Brien. The dysfunctional aspect of it all is still there. Reason why we currently don't have a true GM. The reason why were given away all of our draft capital. Another reason why this time next year we're more and likely be in tax hell. ( Watson getting the highest paid QB extension and Tunsil getting the highest paid LT extension. So I really don't know how you think that's a step in the right direction.
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They're just doubling down on Obrieniness. My guess is Gaine said "whoa, this is kinda dumb and I don't want to put my name on it and ruin my career" so he's gone. Initially he came in saying draft picks are valuable and he didn't want to trade them.

If you go back to when OBrien got here he has always pushed to make dumb trade ups that have poor value. It was like 5 picks to get Nix and Strong. And a second just to get rid of osweiler was nuts.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The only thing that changed on Kirby is full power to Bill O'Brien. The dysfunctional aspect of it all is still there. Reason why we currently don't have a true GM. The reason why were given away all of our draft capital. Another reason why this time next year we're more and likely be in tax hell. ( Watson getting the highest paid QB extension and Tunsil getting the highest paid LT extension. So I really don't know how you think that's a step in the right direction.
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You're not wrong but at the same time last time Denver won the Superbowl they had gone into win now mode, built a team that was completely unstainable long term and bet it all on one season. Since then they have struggled to be even middle of the pack because they are still recovering from the "Win now" mode season. Was it worth it? It won them a SB but what have they done since then? Its why I hate win now mode moves, because you are putting yourself into long term problems for short term gain. Its even worse if you don't win it all which frankly with looking at the other teams out there I don't see how the Texans can.
 
maverick512000 said:
You're not wrong but at the same time last time Denver won the Superbowl they had gone into win now mode, built a team that was completely unstainable long term and bet it all on one season. Since then they have struggled to be even middle of the pack because they are still recovering from the "Win now" mode season. Was it worth it? It won them a SB but what have they done since then? Its why I hate win now mode moves, because you are putting yourself into long term problems for short term gain. Its even worse if you don't win it all which frankly with looking at the other teams out there I don't see how the Texans can.
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We can only hope that if OB gets fired the Texans can hire a smart GM like the Rockets or Astros, because if we don't win it all this year, it's going to be a mess for a while.
 
santo said:
We can only hope that if OB gets fired the Texans can hire a smart GM like the Rockets or Astros, because if we don't win it all this year, it's going to be a mess for a while.
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Yeah I honestly don't know how you get out of this mess even if God decides to play a prank on all football fans and the Texans do win a SB. I liked the Tunsil trade because it got a stud LT but I don't like that we got into that mess to begin with. We should have been drafting Oline the moment we saw Watson was the real deal and by God we should have gotten a Oline coach that actually can coach. So I'm really torn, I like the players we got and think each on their own is worth the price but taken all together its hard to see how you pay for all of it.

I'm not even talking draft picks, I just don't value picks like some here do, I'm talking cap space. Yeah the cap goes up but so do price tags and looking at all the QBs that have already gone down there are a lot of teams that are going to be willing to throw out some big money for both a franchise QB and a stud LT to guard their QB. Hell even teams that we don't think as needing a QB might be looking, Steelers lost Big Ben to a non-contact injury so that got to worry them long term, Saints Brees had a hand injury so no idea if his grip and throw will really be the same and Newton is a shell so the Pants may start looking for a new face. Its about to be even more of a sellers market for QBs than ever so teams with franchise guys are going to be writing a record contract every time it comes up.
 
Maverick they reached for the stars twice and came up short both times. ( Solders and Brown). If they were able to acquire either one of these guys, we probably wouldn't be so bad off. We would still have our top draft capital choices.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The only thing that changed on Kirby is full power to Bill O'Brien. The dysfunctional aspect of it all is still there. Reason why we currently don't have a true GM. The reason why were given away all of our draft capital. Another reason why this time next year we're more and likely be in tax hell. ( Watson getting the highest paid QB extension and Tunsil getting the highest paid LT extension. So I really don't know how you think that's a step in the right direction.
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They wont be in cap hell if the contracts are structured correctly. I think they will be since they re-signed Martin and wouldn't have done that if they needed the cap space to re-sign Watson/Tunsil.
 
JB said:
I would rather have Tunsil, draft picks be damned
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I’d rather have both, or at least a version of it. I think they could have found a more painless way in protecting Watson than giving away even one draft pick and that would have started with Clowney pre 2019 draft.

Well, I’ve already revived the past more than I like to. Maybe they have a plan in place on how to fill the holes.
 
badboy said:
Bucky Brooks is not one of the NFL GM's the last I checked LOL. If the statistics of first-round picks at 50% is true, Miami will more than likely have 1.1 which will be a much higher percentage of success. Even trading down to the top 15 would still be a higher than 50% success ratio in my opinion. In addition, trading down if you spot could bring one or two vets with greater than 50% chance in the NFL while still getting a round pick in that trade down.
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Did you read the article? Let me help.

A longtime former NFL general manager who requested anonymity during a phone conversation Tuesday: “This is too risky to strip to this level. It’s not how many freakin’ picks you have, but how many do you hit on. I like Chris Grier, but is he going to hit on most of these picks? I have doubts. It’s a crapshoot. Tua [Tagovailoa] is a good prospect, but he’s surrounded by such great players. They have three or four first-round skill position guys. He gets protection all day. He’s 6-1, and he can’t run [like fellow left-hander] Steve Young.”...
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maverick512000 said:
You could argue that trading up for Watson was a move out of desperation,
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Oh, it absolutely was. But that’s what they do. Let it get so bad that you have little choice but to go into desperation mode. QB, OL, are we doing it with secondary too?

There’s been no forward thinking, no vision with this organization for far too long. They slap bandaids on potential problems until they’re hemorrhaging there and things get desperate.
 
Speedy said:
Oh, it absolutely was. But that’s what they do. Let it get so bad that you have little choice but to go into desperation mode. QB, OL, are we doing it with secondary too?

There’s been no forward thinking, no vision with this organization for far too long. They slap bandaids on potential problems until they’re hemorrhaging there and things get desperate.
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Getting a franchise level LT is hardly a band aid.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bill O'Brien, RAC and Delvin jobs are on the line. Cal is not messing around.
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I'm not too sure it's Cal. For all we know, BO'b wants to win more than any of us combined.

He asked his first GM for a LT and he got Julien Davenport. He asked his 2nd GM for a LT and got Martinas Rankin & Matt Kalil. Now that he has all the riffraff out of the way he gave up next year's first for Jeremy Tunsil.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not too sure it's Cal. For all we know, BO'b wants to win more than any of us combined.

He asked his first GM for a LT and he got Julien Davenport. He asked his 2nd GM for a LT and got Martinas Rankin & Matt Kalil. Now that he has all the riffraff out of the way he gave up next year's first for Jeremy Tunsil.
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And yet we're seeing the same type of product on the field.
 
thunderkyss said:
If you were Cal McNair & weren't happy with the product on the field would you
  • Fire the GM after the draft, after FA?
  • Mortgage the future?
  • Fire the HC?
As far as seeing the same product on the field... I'm not sure what we're seeing yet. It's only been two weeks.
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1st game reminded me of the Patriots, Seahawks and Eagles game.

2nd game reminded me of those games we should've lost. But the opposite coach bailed us out. Plus the games of no creativity whatsoever and boneheaded clock management.

Add in the fact that Watson is in the top 3 of getting hit already.

A direct repeat from last year and the year before.
 
Texansballer74 said:
1st game reminded me of the Patriots, Seahawks and Eagles game.

2nd game reminded me of those games we should've lost. But the opposite coach bailed us out. Plus the games of no creativity whatsoever and boneheaded clock management.

Add in the fact that Watson is in the top 3 of getting hit already.

A direct repeat from last year and the year before.
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It is weird how there is more talent out there yet the result is the same. I mean it looked like a Brock Osweiler game
 
Texansballer74 said:
1st game reminded me of the Patriots, Seahawks and Eagles game.

2nd game reminded me of those games we should've lost. But the opposite coach bailed us out. Plus the games of no creativity whatsoever and boneheaded clock management.

Add in the fact that Watson is in the top 3 of getting hit already.

A direct repeat from last year and the year before.
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That part doesn’t surprise me, basically a new line with what two weeks together? Watson and/or BoB going for the home run play instead of the quick pass. Also let’s put him bring the most sacked in perspective, it’s only two weeks into the season and while 10 sacks isn’t good it’s only 1 more than Dalton at with 9 and 4 different QBs with 8 including Mayfield and Wilson.

I’m not happy with it yet but it’s not even close to the train wreck that was the line last year.
 
Like someone said above, I have no doubt that Bill O'Brien wants to win, and desperately, but the truth seems to be that he's in way over his head--he seems more like a HS football coach than an NFL coach. For us nothing can be done about it and ours is just to wait until Cal (or someone else) gets the drift of things and sends Bill to the showers. People repeatedly say the texans make a lot of money whether they win or lose, so that's gotta be figured in as well. Fighting among ourselves is not a big help to anyone. Them's my 2 cents.
 
TheKDog said:
It is weird how there is more talent out there yet the result is the same. I mean it looked like a Brock Osweiler game
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Give the Jags defense some credit.

They looked pretty good last night. Campbell is one of the best/most underrated DL in the NFL. Guy is a stud.
 
maverick512000 said:
That part doesn’t surprise me, basically a new line with what two weeks together? Watson and/or BoB going for the home run play instead of the quick pass. Also let’s put him bring the most sacked in perspective, it’s only two weeks into the season and while 10 sacks isn’t good it’s only 1 more than Dalton at with 9 and 4 different QBs with 8 including Mayfield and Wilson.

I’m not happy with it yet but it’s not even close to the train wreck that was the line last year.
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I thought the OL played pretty well last game despite this.
 
The OL may have played better on an individual basis but Watson still got hit too much due to poor scheming.
 
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