Patriots Accuse Texans of Tampering

[maverick512000]

I wanted to like this post, until I got to this.

I agree, no one accused Rick Smith of being racist, but now firing all "his guys" seems racist? Yeah, something not right there.

That this type of lawsuit hurts minorities, I don't know about that. Something is not right about the above situation. That needs to be sorted out.

If the article is factual, BO'b & Gaine knew there was an appearance issue.

I agree that it brings up a very interesting question if they are only firing all of RS guys and all of RS guys are black does that mean RS was racist for hiring only black people? Seems to me if one non-black was also fired as part of this purge then the arguement of it being about race goes out the window. If, however, any non-black RS guys survive the purge then the law suit has some very solid legs. The fact that neither of these has come out is very interesting to me.

As far as Gaine and BoB knowing how it will look I think people are taking that out of context. Just because you know something might look bad to outsiders looking in doesn’t mean it’s the wrong choice or that you shouldn’t do it, it just means, in most cases, that companies are aware of the current politically correct world we live in. If this was the right or wrong choice or had any motivation other than Gaine or BoB just wanting their guys, not uncommon with new management, I couldn’t say.

 

[TheKDog]

I don't think Rick only hired black guys. But OBrien is only hiring white guys because that's all there is in Boston

 

[steelbtexan]

I wanted to like this post, until I got to this.

I agree, no one accused Rick Smith of being racist, but now firing all "his guys" seems racist? Yeah, something not right there.

That this type of lawsuit hurts minorities, I don't know about that. Something is not right about the above situation. That needs to be sorted out.

If the article is factual, BO'b & Gaine knew there was an appearance issue.

There definitely an appearance issue because RS hired a bunch of minorities that had to be fired if you wanted to clean house. What I wonder is how many of the honky's that RS hired got fired when BOB/Gaine took over.

I still find it offensive that the writer of this article basically called Leak a token hire, when in reality Leak is a very good scout who's got a very bright future in the NFL. If things go well for the Texans I could see Leak as a GM in a decade or so. He's a very bright guy.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think Rick only hired black guys. But OBrien is only hiring white guys because that's all there is in Boston

Yet, Cal/Gaine hired Leak.

 

[Texecutioner]

Yet, Cal/Gaine hired Leak.

And Boston is filled with only white people. Lol!

 

[TheKDog]

While the sources spoke highly of Leak as a scout, they agreed race was likely a factor in the decision because both Gaine and O'Brien were overly conscious of perception of all the terminated African-American staffers, none of whom were replaced by other minorities.

He was also from Buffalo

 

[thunderkyss]

While the sources spoke highly of Leak as a scout, they agreed race was likely a factor in the decision

They don't know

 

[sandman]

They don't know

Classic example of speculation presented as fact.

Corporations are always aware of hiring and promotion demographics, because they have a lot of optics surrounding them. But even corporations that have contracts with the federal government and are subjected to Affirmative Action Plans are only required to show good faith effort in ensuring that their internal talent matches the external market talent.

In other words, if the external talent market is 50% female and your hire rate continues to be 90% male, you might want to review your recruiting practices. But it isn't quotas. Those males could easily have been the most qualified candidates, but you have the conversation about whether or not there is a blind spot in the process that is creating an unconscious bias.

All that to say, it is totally reasonable - an not nefarious - for the Texans to openly discuss the optics of turnover/replacement demographics. It does not inherently mean that they are giving jobs to black guys simply because they are black. That is insulting to a fully qualified candidate like Leak.

 

[IDEXAN]

Pay me and I promise you Watson will be protected after next year's draft/fa .

If you'd a been running this years Draft I think we'd have Andre Dillard starting for us @ LT this Fall.

 

[Speedy]

If you'd a been running this years Draft I think we'd have Andre Dillard starting for us @ LT this Fall.

Doubt it. He would have ridiculously overpaid for Brown. Unless he was running things the year before too. Then we wouldn't need Brown or Dillard because we'd have ridiculously overpaid for Solder.

 

[TheKDog]

Doubt it. He would have ridiculously overpaid for Brown. Unless he was running things the year before too. Then we wouldn't need Brown or Dillard because we'd have ridiculously overpaid for Solder.

Good strategy if there's no salary cap and the owner is Jeff Bezos

 

[banned1976]

Whoever posts in this thread right after this post is the Texans next GM. Good luck.

 

[markn]

Whoever posts in this thread right after this post is the Texans next GM. Good luck.

Not a job for me, but thanks.

 

[Mr teX]

Doubt it. He would have ridiculously overpaid for Brown. Unless he was running things the year before too. Then we wouldn't need Brown or Dillard because we'd have ridiculously overpaid for Solder.

Lol

 

[Texansballer74]

Classic example of speculation presented as fact.

Corporations are always aware of hiring and promotion demographics, because they have a lot of optics surrounding them. But even corporations that have contracts with the federal government and are subjected to Affirmative Action Plans are only required to show good faith effort in ensuring that their internal talent matches the external market talent.

In other words, if the external talent market is 50% female and your hire rate continues to be 90% male, you might want to review your recruiting practices. But it isn't quotas. Those males could easily have been the most qualified candidates, but you have the conversation about whether or not there is a blind spot in the process that is creating an unconscious bias.

All that to say, it is totally reasonable - an not nefarious - for the Texans to openly discuss the optics of turnover/replacement demographics. It does not inherently mean that they are giving jobs to black guys simply because they are black. That is insulting to a fully qualified candidate like Leak.

You have to understand the metrics behind that thought though. Once the late owner said what he said and now the African American security guard suing the organization. A lot of people will think that way. That skit is real whether some want to believe it or not.

I believe Gaines got fired because of that. My opinion and Cal wasn't having that nonsense.

 

[steelbtexan]

Doubt it. He would have ridiculously overpaid for Brown. Unless he was running things the year before too. Then we wouldn't need Brown or Dillard because we'd have ridiculously overpaid for Solder.

You better believe I would've paid a 25 yr old that started for a SB winning team and I would've traded up for Dillard to eventually be my starting LT. If that meant losing Clowney after next yr so be it.

Really it comes down to how much do you want to invest in protecting Watson? I would invest whatever it takes. You not so much.

 

[steelbtexan]

Lol

Yep, lets see how the NYG's offense runs next yr. If it's anything like it was at the end of last yr then Solder will have been a good investment. Lets see how Brown and the Raiders OL looks next yr before making judgements. But an OL of Miller/Incognito/Hudson/Jackson/Brown doesn't look like a bad OL at all. Would you like for the Texans to have an OL this good? All it takes is investment.

 

[DocBar]

Yep, lets see how the NYG's offense runs next yr. If it's anything like it was at the end of last yr then Solder will have been a good investment. Lets see how Brown and the Raiders OL looks next yr before making judgements. But an OL of Miller/Incognito/Hudson/Jackson/Brown doesn't look like a bad OL at all. Would you like for the Texans to have an OL this good? All it takes is investment.

You like having a suicide potential like Incognito on your team? I wouldn't even answer the phone for this guy, out of fear for his health. Very irresponsible of the Raiders to pick up this head case. He makes Lyle Alzado look low-key. From what I see from all of your posts on here, you do very little research beyond the talking heads on TV. You either like or dislike a player, based on whatever highlight reel you find, then go 1000% in for or against a particular player. Watching ESPN and Good Morning Football will not help you.

 

[steelbtexan]

You like having a suicide potential like Incognito on your team? I wouldn't even answer the phone for this guy, out of fear for his health. Very irresponsible of the Raiders to pick up this head case. He makes Lyle Alzado look low-key. From what I see from all of your posts on here, you do very little research beyond the talking heads on TV. You either like or dislike a player, based on whatever highlight reel you find, then go 1000% in for or against a particular player. Watching ESPN and Good Morning Football will not help you.

Give me a guy that can play football, I dont really care about what goes on in players personal lives.

I've been watching Dillard for the last 2 yrs, did you check out my posts on Taylor from the last draft. I went with what I saw which a 2nd rder. But you go ahead and believe what you want to believe my track record speaks for itself.

 

[76Texan]

From what I see from all of your posts on here, you do very little research beyond the talking heads on TV. You either like or dislike a player, based on whatever highlight reel you find, then go 1000% in for or against a particular player. Watching ESPN and Good Morning Football will not help you.

One thing I must give to steelb is that he's been doing pretty good homework on the college offensive tackles over the last 4 years or so that I came to know him on the draft forum.

 

[maverick512000]

Give me a guy that can play football, I dont really care about what goes on in players personal lives.

I've been watching Dillard for the last 2 yrs, did you check out my posts on Taylor from the last draft. I went with what I saw which a 2nd rder. But you go ahead and believe what you want to believe my track record speaks for itself.

Thing is that doesn't really work in the real world. Putting aside the whole "Texans worthy" thing you do have to look at a guys personal life because the rest of the world is going to. Do you want a guy that may get suspended for multiple games because he got busted on drugs or domestic violence or robbery or public intoxication or whatever else. You may not care but you damn well better believe Goodell and the league do and they will happily suspend a guy if they think he will embarrass the league and they don't care how it hurts your team or how much you spent on him.

Also how do you know then that they won't leave you high and dry when you need them. Look at Bell, I wouldn't have minded him but its a big red flag that he was willing to sit out on the Steelers, how do you know he won't get pissed at your team and do the same? Give me a guy with less talent but more drive anyday because I know that guy is going to give me 100% every time; this idea you have of "give me talent and nothing else" just doesn't work

 

[IDEXAN]

One thing I must give to steelb is that he's been doing pretty good homework on the college offensive tackles over the last 4 years or so that I came to know him on the draft forum.

I'll second that as he's clearly invested some time in schooling himself on offensive line talent at the college level and also on current NFL rosters.

 

[steelbtexan]

Thing is that doesn't really work in the real world. Putting aside the whole "Texans worthy" thing you do have to look at a guys personal life because the rest of the world is going to. Do you want a guy that may get suspended for multiple games because he got busted on drugs or domestic violence or robbery or public intoxication or whatever else. You may not care but you damn well better believe Goodell and the league do and they will happily suspend a guy if they think he will embarrass the league and they don't care how it hurts your team or how much you spent on him.

Also how do you know then that they won't leave you high and dry when you need them. Look at Bell, I wouldn't have minded him but its a big red flag that he was willing to sit out on the Steelers, how do you know he won't get pissed at your team and do the same? Give me a guy with less talent but more drive anyday because I know that guy is going to give me 100% every time; this idea you have of "give me talent and nothing else" just doesn't work

Apparently the Rams/Pats/Chiefs/Browns/Eagles in addition to the Raiders disagree with you.They smartly are willing to roll the dice on talent and take their chances. To win a SB you have to take risks and the Texans org is very adverse to any type of risk. Really you cant blame them for being unwilling to accept risk when they're making billions with their current business model. But they will never win a championship with this business model and there's the intersection between winning and making $$$$. Where we disagree is you think the Texans can win a championship with the Texans Worthy model and I dont.

I didn't want Bell, because he was all about the $$$$ and needs strong leadership, which is something that Tomlin doesn't supply.

 

[maverick512000]

Apparently the Rams/Pats/Chiefs/Browns/Eagles in addition to the Raiders disagree with you.They smartly are willing to roll the dice on talent and take their chances. To win a SB you have to take risks and the Texans org is very adverse to any type of risk. Really you cant blame them for being unwilling to accept risk when they're making billions with their current business model. But they will never win a championship with this business model and there's the intersection between winning and making $$$$. Where we disagree is you think the Texans can win a championship with the Texans Worthy model and I dont.

I didn't want Bell, because he was all about the $$$$ and needs strong leadership, which is something that Tomlin doesn't supply.

Only two teams on that list that rolled the dice are the Browns and Raiders and neither of them should be examples for teams to follow. Only dice roll Eagles did was moving up Dillard and, in their situation, it was a fairly safe bet. Everyone is going on and on about the Rams but forget that the NFC as a whole is very weak right now. All four teams in our division, considered the weakest of all the AFC, did better than the majority of NFC teams. As far as the Pats go the only dice they roll is will Tom Brady retire this year. Likewise KC didn't take a risk they tried to cover up what their player did.

As has been pointed out multiple times, the Texans do take risks they just don't take the same risks you would have. They took a risk on Osweiler, didn't work but they took it. They took a risk on Watson, a fairly safe one but anytime you bring a QB in its a big risk and Watson was considered the weakest of the three in that draft. They took a risk on Fuller, everyone said he had bad hands. The big thing that kicked this "Not take a risk" line of yours into overdrive was that they didn't break the bank for Brown.

Also I find it a contradiction that you didn't want Bell because he's all about the money yet you say all that matters is talent. Well he has talent in spades and we are weak on RBs so in your world that should be all that matters.

 

[steelbtexan]

You like having a suicide potential like Incognito on your team? I wouldn't even answer the phone for this guy, out of fear for his health. Very irresponsible of the Raiders to pick up this head case. He makes Lyle Alzado look low-key. From what I see from all of your posts on here, you do very little research beyond the talking heads on TV. You either like or dislike a player, based on whatever highlight reel you find, then go 1000% in for or against a particular player. Watching ESPN and Good Morning Football will not help you.

Does Incognito make their football team better?

 

[steelbtexan]

Only two teams on that list that rolled the dice are the Browns and Raiders and neither of them should be examples for teams to follow. Only dice roll Eagles did was moving up Dillard and, in their situation, it was a fairly safe bet. Everyone is going on and on about the Rams but forget that the NFC as a whole is very weak right now. All four teams in our division, considered the weakest of all the AFC, did better than the majority of NFC teams. As far as the Pats go the only dice they roll is will Tom Brady retire this year. Likewise KC didn't take a risk they tried to cover up what their player did.

As has been pointed out multiple times, the Texans do take risks they just don't take the same risks you would have. They took a risk on Osweiler, didn't work but they took it. They took a risk on Watson, a fairly safe one but anytime you bring a QB in its a big risk and Watson was considered the weakest of the three in that draft. They took a risk on Fuller, everyone said he had bad hands. The big thing that kicked this "Not take a risk" line of yours into overdrive was that they didn't break the bank for Brown.

Also I find it a contradiction that you didn't want Bell because he's all about the money yet you say all that matters is talent. Well he has talent in spades and we are weak on RBs so in your world that should be all that matters.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Does Incognito make their football team better?

While he's on the field for them, probably. Otherwise he means about as much to them as he now does the Rams, Bills, and the Dolphins.

 

[steelbtexan]

Only two teams on that list that rolled the dice are the Browns and Raiders and neither of them should be examples for teams to follow. Only dice roll Eagles did was moving up Dillard and, in their situation, it was a fairly safe bet. Everyone is going on and on about the Rams but forget that the NFC as a whole is very weak right now. All four teams in our division, considered the weakest of all the AFC, did better than the majority of NFC teams. As far as the Pats go the only dice they roll is will Tom Brady retire this year. Likewise KC didn't take a risk they tried to cover up what their player did.

As has been pointed out multiple times, the Texans do take risks they just don't take the same risks you would have. They took a risk on Osweiler, didn't work but they took it. They took a risk on Watson, a fairly safe one but anytime you bring a QB in its a big risk and Watson was considered the weakest of the three in that draft. They took a risk on Fuller, everyone said he had bad hands. The big thing that kicked this "Not take a risk" line of yours into overdrive was that they didn't break the bank for Brown.

Also I find it a contradiction that you didn't want Bell because he's all about the money yet you say all that matters is talent. Well he has talent in spades and we are weak on RBs so in your world that should be all that matters.

Pats- Gordon/Collins/Dillon/Hernandez etc..
Browns- Hunt
Eagles- Lane Johnson/Jalen Mills/Jeffrey etc...
Chiefs- Hill/Kelce/Houston/Hunt etc....
Rams- Talib/Peters/Suh etc..

Texans?

I would never spend big $$$$ on a RB.

We're talking about 2 different types of taking chances. One you can win with, the other you cant.

 

[steelbtexan]

While he's on the field for them, probably. Otherwise he means about as much to them as he now does the Rams, Bills, and the Dolphins.

How many games has he missed for an in season suspension. I absolutely love love what the Raiders have done this offseason and I dont think they will make the playoffs this yr, but they will find out if Carr is their future before they get to Vegas. When they get to Vegas if Carr isn't the guy they will trade up for Tua/Herbert or Fromm and be ready to roll in their new digs.

 

[JB]

Does Incognito make their football team better?

Ask the Dolphins

 

[Mollywhopper]

How many games has he missed for an in season suspension. I absolutely love love what the Raiders have done this offseason and I dont think they will make the playoffs this yr, but they will find out if Carr is their future before they get to Vegas. When they get to Vegas if Carr isn't the guy they will trade up for Tua/Herbert or Fromm and be ready to roll in their new digs.

A half a season in 2013.

 

[steelbtexan]

A half a season in 2013.

So you're basing your conclusions off of 6-7 yrs ago?

Tell you what, I'm not a gambler but if Incognito is unable to play in the playoffs due to suspension (Not that I think the Raiders will make the playoffs this yr) then I will pitch in $50 to TT site. If he's eligible to play in the playoffs you pitch in $50.

BTW, you do know that Incognito's teammates love playing with him?

 

[steelbtexan]

Ask the Dolphins

The players on the team fully supported Incognito, that was a mgmt decision which they paid a price for. (Rightfully so)

The Dolphins had/have terrible mgmt in the draft/FA for yrs. But if you want to blame that orgs issues on Incognito be my guest. I choose to put blame where it belongs. (Ross)

I notice how y'all stayed away from the premise of my post and what all of the contenders do vs the Incognito debate.

How about doing something new a different, you know like getting the best players possible on the team and letting the chips fall where they may.

 

[maverick512000]

The players on the team fully supported Incognito, that was a mgmt decision which they paid a price for. (Rightfully so)

The Dolphins had/have terrible mgmt in the draft/FA for yrs. But if you want to blame that orgs issues on Incognito be my guest. I choose to put blame where it belongs. (Ross)

I notice how y'all stayed away from the premise of my post and what all of the contenders do vs the Incognito debate.

How about doing something new a different, you know like getting the best players possible on the team and letting the chips fall where they may.

Best players based on your opinion.

 

[steelbtexan]

Best players based on your opinion.

Best players based on production and measurables when it comes to FA/Draft and there are very few exclusions. No more of this Texans Worthy crap.

 

[DocBar]

The players on the team fully supported Incognito, that was a mgmt decision which they paid a price for. (Rightfully so)

The Dolphins had/have terrible mgmt in the draft/FA for yrs. But if you want to blame that orgs issues on Incognito be my guest. I choose to put blame where it belongs. (Ross)

I notice how y'all stayed away from the premise of my post and what all of the contenders do vs the Incognito debate.

How about doing something new a different, you know like getting the best players possible on the team and letting the chips fall where they may.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...e-incognito-arrested-funeral-home/1052288002/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-after-incident-at-florida-gym/?noredirect=on

Dude needs to be in a psyche ward instead of a locker room.

 

[maverick512000]

The players on the team fully supported Incognito, that was a mgmt decision which they paid a price for. (Rightfully so)

The Dolphins had/have terrible mgmt in the draft/FA for yrs. But if you want to blame that orgs issues on Incognito be my guest. I choose to put blame where it belongs. (Ross)

I notice how y'all stayed away from the premise of my post and what all of the contenders do vs the Incognito debate.

How about doing something new a different, you know like getting the best players possible on the team and letting the chips fall where they may.

Pats are contenders yes and trying to copy them is what has got us in this mess. You can’t copy the Pats unless you have Tom Brady and BB. That is the secret to the Pats success and nothing else.

Rams have had one good season and it came when most teams in the NFC are dumpster fires and in fact two teams in their division are free wins. They still only got to the SB because of one of the worst calls in NFL history.

KC were only contenders last year and that was because Reid finally found a QB that could make his crazy sh!t there work. Let’s see how they do in Mahomes sophomore season, I’m thinking the second year drop is going to hit him hard.

Browns and Raiders are again not teams that anybody should aspire to be like. Browns have been crap for most of two decades and Raiders are just throwing stupid money at a problem and hoping that fixes it.

Eagles tend to be solid but they almost got knocked out of even being in the playoffs BY US. We hung 30 points on them and if the D had stopped even one of their scores it would have been over.

What’s funny to me is after the 2019 season we will be back here and you will have a new list of teams we should be like. If the Lions, Bengals and/or Buccs make the playoffs you’ll be going on about how we should be like them.

 

[Mollywhopper]

So you're basing your conclusions off of 6-7 yrs ago?

Tell you what, I'm not a gambler but if Incognito is unable to play in the playoffs due to suspension (Not that I think the Raiders will make the playoffs this yr) then I will pitch in $50 to TT site. If he's eligible to play in the playoffs you pitch in $50.

BTW, you do know that Incognito's teammates love playing with him?

My conclusions? Reading into what I briefly said a bit much?

You asked if he made the team he was on better. My answer was, sure, as long as he's on the field for them. Them being multiple teams that he's left behind including a half a season he was removed for disciplinary reasons and another entire season he lost while he was trying to get his sh*t sorted.

My only conclusion to be had here is that he's a guy who's inherent risk must be weighed against the amount of money you're willing to invest in his ability to be on the field and producing as we're in a salary cap league.

And that's an asinine bet. You would have to give me odds for the fact that the outcome is far more detrimental for him to not be available versus the investment. Because that's how the risk/reward payoff on a guy like him works. Not that I'm gonna gamble on some dumbsh*t like Incognito anyway. My entire give a f*ck for him has now been exhausted in a couple internet posts as it is.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Does Incognito make their football team better?

First, I honestly feel that he doesn't. He's now 36 years old and hasn't played football in 2 years. I highly doubt he even makes the final 53.

Second, the guy wanted to have his own deceased father decapitated and when the funeral home declined to carry out his crazy ass wishes, He vandalized the place and threatened to retrieve the guns he had in his vehicle and shoot everyone. His own family didn't even want him at the funeral..

This is a guy with CLEAR signs of CTE/brain damage on top of the clear mental health issues he's already exhibited before his 11 years of getting his head scrambled. Frankly the Raiders and the NFL should be brought up on charges for even allowing him to accumulate more damage. I'm telling you right now, his life will not have a good ending, I just hope that he doesn't hurt anyone else on his way out.

So yeah, I don't want this guy anywhere near my team or city even if I thought he could help the team.. which I don't.

 

[steelbtexan]

Pats are contenders yes and trying to copy them is what has got us in this mess. You can’t copy the Pats unless you have Tom Brady and BB. That is the secret to the Pats success and nothing else.

Rams have had one good season and it came when most teams in the NFC are dumpster fires and in fact two teams in their division are free wins. They still only got to the SB because of one of the worst calls in NFL history.

KC were only contenders last year and that was because Reid finally found a QB that could make his crazy sh!t there work. Let’s see how they do in Mahomes sophomore season, I’m thinking the second year drop is going to hit him hard.

Browns and Raiders are again not teams that anybody should aspire to be like. Browns have been crap for most of two decades and Raiders are just throwing stupid money at a problem and hoping that fixes it.

Eagles tend to be solid but they almost got knocked out of even being in the playoffs BY US. We hung 30 points on them and if the D had stopped even one of their scores it would have been over.

What’s funny to me is after the 2019 season we will be back here and you will have a new list of teams we should be like. If the Lions, Bengals and/or Buccs make the playoffs you’ll be going on about how we should be like them.

These teams have all made the playoffs multiple years in a row and have at least made conference championship games. The Eagles won a SB with their backup QB. Things that the Texans org can only dream about accomplishing.

The Texans winning a SB is a laughable thought with Watson at QB, much less winning a SB with their backup QB.

Yes, I will probably be adding the Browns to the list next offseason and the Raiders the year after that. You know who I won't be adding unless they change the way they acquire talent?

 

[steelbtexan]

First, I honestly feel that he doesn't. He's now 36 years old and hasn't played football in 2 years. I highly doubt he even makes the final 53.

Second, the guy wanted to have his own deceased father decapitated and when the funeral home declined to carry out his crazy ass wishes, He vandalized the place and threatened to retrieve the guns he had in his vehicle and shoot everyone. His own family didn't even want him at the funeral..

This is a guy with CLEAR signs of CTE/brain damage on top of the clear mental health issues he's already exhibited before his 11 years of getting his head scrambled. Frankly the Raiders and the NFL should be brought up on charges for even allowing him to accumulate more damage. I'm telling you right now, his life will not have a good ending, I just hope that he doesn't hurt anyone else on his way out.

So yeah, I don't want this guy anywhere near my team or city even if I thought he could help the team.. which I don't.

We differ in that I think he can still play at a high level, or the Raiders would not have signed him. Like I said, I only care about if he makes the team better and don't really care about the rest of the stuff in your post.

 

[JB]

These teams have all made the playoffs multiple years in a row and have at least made conference championship games. The Eagles won a SB with their backup QB. Things that the Texans org can only dream about accomplishing.

The Texans winning a SB is a laughable thought with Watson at QB, much less winning a SB with their backup QB.

Yes, I will probably be adding the Browns to the list next offseason and the Raiders the year after that. You know who I won't be adding unless they change the way they acquire talent?

We differ in that I think he can still play at a high level, or the Raiders would not have signed him. Like I said, I only care about if he makes the team better and don't really care about the rest of the stuff in your post.

you realize you're coming off as very trollish lately

 

[steelbtexan]

My conclusions? Reading into what I briefly said a bit much?

You asked if he made the team he was on better. My answer was, sure, as long as he's on the field for them. Them being multiple teams that he's left behind including a half a season he was removed for disciplinary reasons and another entire season he lost while he was trying to get his sh*t sorted.

My only conclusion to be had here is that he's a guy who's inherent risk must be weighed against the amount of money you're willing to invest in his ability to be on the field and producing as we're in a salary cap league.

And that's an asinine bet. You would have to give me odds for the fact that the outcome is far more detrimental for him to not be available versus the investment. Because that's how the risk/reward payoff on a guy like him works. Not that I'm gonna gamble on some dumbsh*t like Incognito anyway. My entire give a f*ck for him has now been exhausted in a couple internet posts as it is.

Gruden/Mayock disagree with you. You know, guys that have won SB's opinions carry more weight than yours.

A vet min bet on a guy with this amount of talent is a good bet. You have a need at OG and this guy can play. If he doesn't make it thru the season (doubtful) then you really haven't lost much

How do you feel about the Chiefs and Hill?

 

[Rich Schmidt]

We differ in that I think he can still play at a high level, or the Raiders would not have signed him. Like I said, I only care about if he makes the team better and don't really care about the rest of the stuff in your post.

Life trumps football. If we bring someone to this city that hurts others, I dont care if we won a super bowl. I won't sell my soul that way. Now if a dude smokes weed, different story. Incognito can go terrorize other cities

 

[steelbtexan]

you realize you're coming off as very trollish lately

I realize what it's going to take for the Texans to win a championship.

If this makes me a troll in your eyes simply because you disagree with me, then so be it.

 

[JB]

Gruden/Mayock disagree with you. You know, guys that have won SB's opinions carry more weight than yours.

A vet min bet on a guy with this amount of talent is a good bet. You have a need at OG and this guy can play. If he doesn't make it thru the season (doubtful) then you really haven't lost much

How do you feel about the Chiefs and Hill?

What SB has Mayock ever won ?

 

[steelbtexan]

Life trumps football. If we bring someone to this city that hurts others, I dont care if we won a super bowl. I won't sell my soul that way. Now if a dude smokes weed, different story. Incognito can go terrorize other cities

Who has Incognito hurt since he turned pro?

I appreciate your way of thinking, but just know the Texans won't be winning SB's.

You don't want Hill on the Texans?

 

[JB]

I realize what it's going to take for the Texans to win a championship.

If this makes me a troll in your eyes simply because you disagree with me, then so be it.

Dude, just stop and read what you posted... Rams made the playoffs multiple years in a row? KC? Browns? Raiders? C'mon man, you're better than that

 

[steelbtexan]

What SB has Mayock ever won ?

Gruden has and he's making the final calls on personnel. You know this or at least should know rhis But split hairs if you wish, you're correct I will give you a participation trophy.

 

[Rich Schmidt]

Who has Incognito hurt since he turned pro?

I appreciate your way of thinking, but just know the Texans won't be winning SB's.

You don't want Hill on the Texans?

Dude is flat out unstable, you know that. 36, likely to get popped again. I get taking chances, but let's not use him as the example. Anyone carrying around guns and going to their car can stay away. I had a meth head drive through our cycling team, and then pull over to get his gun and finish work. Life trumps football.

On Hill, he has proven he will attempt to kill his unborn child and hit women more than once, so no, I don't want him here. Football is a passion and distraction, I go to the games, but don't want to support crap like Hill and Incognito to win the big one. Again, take measured chances. These guys have proven what they are