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Well, the GM search is on!

The only possible good is long term. When BOB stinks the joint up again, Cal can fire him and do it the right way. Hire a GM first and let the guy run the team with the first order of business focused on a new HC.

This team has been run bass ackwards since 2006 with the HC essentially choosing the GM and with the GM seemingly reporting to the HC.

Unless BOB shocks me and by some miracle becomes a good HC this is the opening they need to rebuild this thing the correct way from the top down.
 
I can see it now, Texans wait out the year on their guys contract only to get turned down in the end.
 
mussop said:
The Texans’ General Manager’s office will remain vacant.

After trying and failing to lure Nick Caserio from New England, the Texans have decided not to hire anyone at all, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports. Instead, head coach Bill O’Brien will team up with Executive Vice President of Team Development Jack Easterby to handle the personnel duties, in consultation with the Texans’ scouting department.

That means O’Brien is getting a firmer grip on power within the franchise, and Easterby’s rise up the ranks continues. Easterby just got hired this year but has already acquired significant power in the organization.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/14/report-texans-will-not-hire-a-g-m/

Unbelievable!

Well the good thing is that OB has no one to hide behind anymore. It’s do or die time for that turd!!!
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I think I'm beginning to see what they're going to do.

1. Caserio's contract with the Pats expires in 2020 after the draft according to an article on NFL.com by Adam Maya. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ns-no-longer-pursuing-patriots-caserio-for-gm

2. The Texans will have BOB and Easterby make all the personnel moves this season and during the draft next year. Player contracts will still be handled by Chris Olsen who was named the interim GM when Gaine was fired but they may remove that title from him since he probably doesn't have any experience with the player personnel side of things like finding FA's and running a draft.

3. After the draft next year the Texans will probably go all in on Caserio.


I know this probably sounds crazy to some but it's the only reason I can think of for the Texans not to try and find another GM right away. If this is the case, and the Texans stick with BOB and Easterby filling the GM role, then it will probably be a very entertaining year ahead to say the least! I can only imagine what next years draft will be like! :stooges: (I'll let y'all figure out who's Cal, who's BOB, and who's Easterby! :D)
 
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cant Possibly be this naive to think, “it’s not my job” O’Brian, who has his hands full just being head coach, to fill another roll with Easterby one full season :overreact:

A Billion dollar successful business does not work like this. This is truly now, inmates running the asylum :troll:
 
beerlover said:
cant Possibly be this naive to think, “it’s not my job” O’Brian, who has his hands full just being head coach, to fill another roll with Easterby one full season :overreact:

A Billion dollar successful business does not work like this. This is truly now, inmates running the asylum :troll:
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Oh, it does with Cletus running the show.

Tell me are you really surprised things turned out this way?
 
Double Barrel said:
Welp, now we know for sure. Cal is a dunderhead. Not only was he unsure about Caserio, but he went about it completely wrong and ended up with his head up his butt and handed back to him on a platter by Kraft/Belichick.

Honestly, what potential GM worth his salt is going to want to play for a impatient silver-spooned doofus
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Yep. So even if the Texans are able to get Caserio in 2020, that wouldn't make up for the stupidity right now. We're in horrible hands...or, as Captain America said is Easy Rider, "We blew it."

The rest of the league should laugh at the Texans. Mighty!
 
Or is it?
Of the many bizarre twists and turns the Texans have taken over the past eight days, perhaps the most bizarre is this:
The team won’t have a General Manager in 2019.
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Hopefully OB will completely give up his offensive role (pun maybe/maybe not intended)if he intends on being the de facto GM.
 
Mangler said:
He’ll probably throw Easterby under the bus like he did Gaine. Wouldn’t be the first buddy of his whose throat he cuts.
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O'Brien wasn't screwing up this badly until Easterby showed up. They are a bad combination.
 
Lucky said:
O'Brien wasn't screwing up this badly until Easterby showed up. They are a bad combination.
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Either this was a power play by Easterby and O’Brien, or Belichic/NE just screwed Caserio from getting a promotion and more money by putting something slick in the contract and Caserio not realizing he was signing away his rights. (Not literally, drama queens!)

Sorry for this run on sentence. At work, super busy day.
 
mussop said:
So the NFL makes a rule that you can’t interview people unless it’s a move up and the Pats are like, OK we’ll just put a no interview clause in Nicks contract! Once again the patriots get away with skirting the rules!
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-caserio-clause-comply-with-league-rules/amp/

The Texans reportedly backed away from the pursuit of Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio because of contract language preventing Caserio from leaving New England. Some in league circles are now asking whether the Caserio clause complies with league rules.

The NFL’s anti-tampering policy outlines the circumstances in which a team may hire an executive from another team to become a “high-level employee,” as defined by the policy. Here’s the key passage from the policy: “If . . . the inquiring club is prepared to offer a position as a high-level employee . . . the employer club may not deny the employee the opportunity to discuss and accept such employment.”

The emphasis wasn’t added by me; it appears in the policy. And the argument would be, if push comes to shove, that this provision of the tampering policy supersedes the Caserio clause, which as applied would prevent him from leaving his non-high-level employee job with the Patriots (coach Bill Belichick obviously runs the show in New England) for an opportunity to become a “high-level employee” with another team.

As one league source has explained it to PFT, at least one other team has had a similar clause in the contract of a non-high-level employee. And at least one other team challenged that clause. And the NFL ultimately invalidated the clause.

So, basically, the Texans could have challenged the Caserio clause. It’s unclear whether the Texans know that. It’s possible that they don’t, given the current dearth of football business expertise in the organization, with owner Cal McNair still getting up to speed and meteorically rising Jack-of-All-Trades Easterby likely not as knowledgeable as he could/should be.

There is more click the link.

Freaking sad. I wasn’t sold on the guy but I say screw NE, we should challenge them. It’s not like we could look any more stupid.
 
I wasnt sold on him either, but the more the Pat's fought to keep him the more I wanted him. In part cause if they fight to keep him, he is at the very least competent.... IF he were to come here and show us why they fought to keep him then all the more reason to take joy in dismantling one more cog in the Patriots machine.

The fact that they CLEARLY wanted the guy and backed down just pissed me off beyond what losing a valuable first would have.

At this point may as well put Letterman jackets on the team and get them to sell girl scout cookies... oh.. excuse me... non offensive gender neutral organization of those that may or may not choose to identify as female cookies...
 
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Why do we keep hiring from New England when that hasn't worked so well in the past?

Right now I think the Texans organization is a pile of dog sh!t and I think this season is going to be a frustrating one for the fans.
 
mussop said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-caserio-clause-comply-with-league-rules/amp/

The Texans reportedly backed away from the pursuit of Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio because of contract language preventing Caserio from leaving New England. Some in league circles are now asking whether the Caserio clause complies with league rules.

The NFL’s anti-tampering policy outlines the circumstances in which a team may hire an executive from another team to become a “high-level employee,” as defined by the policy. Here’s the key passage from the policy: “If . . . the inquiring club is prepared to offer a position as a high-level employee . . . the employer club may not deny the employee the opportunity to discuss and accept such employment.”

The emphasis wasn’t added by me; it appears in the policy. And the argument would be, if push comes to shove, that this provision of the tampering policy supersedes the Caserio clause, which as applied would prevent him from leaving his non-high-level employee job with the Patriots (coach Bill Belichick obviously runs the show in New England) for an opportunity to become a “high-level employee” with another team.

As one league source has explained it to PFT, at least one other team has had a similar clause in the contract of a non-high-level employee. And at least one other team challenged that clause. And the NFL ultimately invalidated the clause.

So, basically, the Texans could have challenged the Caserio clause. It’s unclear whether the Texans know that. It’s possible that they don’t, given the current dearth of football business expertise in the organization, with owner Cal McNair still getting up to speed and meteorically rising Jack-of-All-Trades Easterby likely not as knowledgeable as he could/should be.

There is more click the link.

Freaking sad. I wasn’t sold on the guy but I say screw NE, we should challenge them. It’s not like we could look any more stupid.
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Good info. Slim chance this may not be over. Be nice if the league took the initiative.
 
Thorn said:
Why do we keep hiring from New England when that hasn't worked so well in the past?

Right now I think the Texans organization is a pile of dog sh!t and I think this season is going to be a frustrating one for the fans.
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It is the pathway they (McNair) has chosen.
 
Well, the way I see it... IF some stroke of luck, OB sells his soul, everyone in Houston prays, JJWatt cashes in all his good karma, we dress Toro up like a Hindu bull, all the cheerleaders wear a burqa and Cal gives millions to Xenu.....

Maybe OB will wake up one morning before game 1 and he will FINALLY be what we have all been wishing he would become and this flopping around like a dying fish will be all the more dramatic to start his legacy that makes BB and the Patriots look like.... well... us now.

:texflag::kitten:
 
KA4Texan said:
I wasnt sold on him either, but the more the Pat's fought to keep him the more I wanted him. In part cause if they fight to keep him, he is at the very least competent....
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Maybe.

I'm pretty sure NE would get along fine without him. That's what they do. Caserio would most likely learn his success had more to do with the people around him than his own ability. A lesson many people learn shortly after leaving NE.

I think the only reason NE fought so hard was because they've already lost so much this offseason. If they weren't in the hunt for another ring last year they may have let him go.
 
thunderkyss said:
Maybe.

I'm pretty sure NE would get along fine without him. That's what they do. Caserio would most likely learn his success had more to do with the people around him than his own ability. A lesson many people learn shortly after leaving NE.

I think the only reason NE fought so hard was because they've already lost so much this offseason. If they weren't in the hunt for another ring last year they may have let him go.
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Oh, no doubt that he is better in NE, but you dont climb a mountain in a single step... every movement forward is momentum to the goal.

Same with the Patriots, I'm sure that they would move on fine without him, much as I think they will be fine without Gronk... and any other piece outside of Brady/BB... but every little chip away at their team is a step in the right direction and an adjustment they likely dont want to make.
 
Number19 said:
Good info. Slim chance this may not be over. Be nice if the league took the initiative.
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I'm no lawyer, but just like football, I've read about laws here and there (I did think about law school) "just for fun".

You can look up the NFL Anti-tampering rules online.
There's enough language in there to add to whatever language the Pats put in Cas' contract to make an investigation by the NFL a lenghthy process.
If the Texans decided to challenge the process, it's highly unlikely any other candidate would even want to interview.

The Pats, in the meantime, loses nothing.
But Cal McNair would have made an ennemy in Kraft.
Not a good idea in the business world of the NFL.
 
Number19 said:
My understanding coming out of this is that the Pat's don't have, and haven't had, a GM; so the Texans going into the next year without one is not unprecedented.
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I agree. I just hope the added responsibilities of being the de facto GM will cause OB to relinquish control of the offense.
 
Maybe now that ass face has full control and doesn’t have anyone left to throw under the bus, maybe they will go after the guys Gaine was too hesitant to go after? If they felt he wasn’t aggressive enough then they should show him how it’s done.
 
76Texan said:
I'm no lawyer, but just like football, I've read about laws here and there (I did think about law school) "just for fun".

You can look up the NFL Anti-tampering rules online.
There's enough language in there to add to whatever language the Pats put in Cas' contract to make an investigation by the NFL a lenghthy process.
If the Texans decided to challenge the process, it's highly unlikely any other candidate would even want to interview.

The Pats, in the meantime, loses nothing.
But Cal McNair would have made an ennemy in Kraft.
Not a good idea in the business world of the NFL.
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You bring up a good point. A challenge might eliminate some candidates. This would be a lengthy process even without additional roadblocks the Pats would throw out there, but the Texans could tell a candidate if you knock this out of the park the job is yours. Otherwise Caserio is free following the 2020 draft. This challenge probably would span that time line, you won’t have him for a year anyway, so just wait and avoid the #1 the Pats supposedly requested....if that is the only guy on your radar. The NFL can clean up this bs if they were required to vet every interview request for a high level employee and give a nod up front to avoid rule manipulation. This is where we are now. But you wonder if a year from now Caserio would still want the job? Pats could say we were tampering just to keep him in the loop. He wouldn’t be under contract so I’m guessing he could still become a Texan but the Pats will still try to extort a pick. People can hate Cal but this is a spider web issue that is just bs.
 
Dejaview said:
You bring up a good point. A challenge might eliminate some candidates. This would be a lengthy process even without additional roadblocks the Pats would throw out there, but the Texans could tell a candidate if you knock this out of the park the job is yours. Otherwise Caserio is free following the 2020 draft. This challenge probably would span that time line, you won’t have him for a year anyway, so just wait and avoid the #1 the Pats supposedly requested....if that is the only guy on your radar. The NFL can clean up this bs if they were required to vet every interview request for a high level employee and give a nod up front to avoid rule manipulation. This is where we are now. But you wonder if a year from now Caserio would still want the job? Pats could say we were tampering just to keep him in the loop. He wouldn’t be under contract so I’m guessing he could still become a Texan but the Pats will still try to extort a pick. People can hate Cal but this is a spider web issue that is just bs.
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Caserio would be free at the start of the new league year on March 18 2020 at 4:00PM Eastern Time Zone. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Caserio get a big, fat conract extension before then. Kraft will be more than happy to pay what it takes to retain Caserio, imo.
 
DocBar said:
Caserio would be free at the start of the new league year on March 18 2020 at 4:00PM Eastern Time Zone. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Caserio get a big, fat conract extension before then. Kraft will be more than happy to pay what it takes to retain Caserio, imo.
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I can totally see Kraft offering a big money extension, but I doubt Caserio is ignorant to the fact that Tom Brady might call it a career sooner rather than later. Down here, we fix the O-line and we got our franchise QB sewed up for the next 10+ years. I seriously doubt the NE Dynasty continues after Brady retires, as Belichic will probably call it a day along with Brady.
 
76Texan said:
I'm no lawyer, but just like football, I've read about laws here and there (I did think about law school) "just for fun".

You can look up the NFL Anti-tampering rules online.
There's enough language in there to add to whatever language the Pats put in Cas' contract to make an investigation by the NFL a lenghthy process.
If the Texans decided to challenge the process, it's highly unlikely any other candidate would even want to interview.

The Pats, in the meantime, loses nothing.
But Cal McNair would have made an ennemy in Kraft.
Not a good idea in the business world of the NFL.
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Certainly not the way a native Texan would handle things.

Kraft gets mad, so what. It's not going to hurt your teams business or the NFL's business. Cletus has no balls. But very Houston Texans like, not so much Native Texan like.
 
DocBar said:
Caserio would be free at the start of the new league year on March 18 2020 at 4:00PM Eastern Time Zone. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Caserio get a big, fat conract extension before then. Kraft will be more than happy to pay what it takes to retain Caserio, imo.
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Did you see that in his contract? Why would his contract let him go just before the draft? I read somewhere it ran through the draft...McClain? Can’t remember but it really doesn’t matter. Many including Boston sportswriters are saying he does want out. I think something else is going on now because it’s too quiet.
 
Mangler said:
I can totally see Kraft offering a big money extension, but I doubt Caserio is ignorant to the fact that Tom Brady might call it a career sooner rather than later. Down here, we fix the O-line and we got our franchise QB sewed up for the next 10+ years. I seriously doubt the NE Dynasty continues after Brady retires, as Belichick will probably call it a day along with Brady.
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Sure the money is great but as long as he's in NE he will be under Belichicks thumb but he could be a bonafide GM in title and in fact with the power/authority down here in Houston.
Now on the other hand there's always the chance an opportunity at GM with another team other the Texans that interests him could materialize next year when he's free to leave the Pats, but he'll never be the Pats GM as long as BB is on the scene in Boston.
 
If there is a silver lining in this mess, it's the possible (if not likely) rift between Caserio and Belichick. How much responsibility is Bill going to give Caserio now that his intentions to bail are clear? I'm surprised he even wants Caserio around, at all. Would not be shocked if Caserio is dumped before training camp.
 
IDEXAN said:
Sure the money is great but as long as he's in NE he will be under Belichicks thumb but he could be a bonafide GM in title and in fact with the power/authority down here in Houston.
Now on the other hand there's always the chance an opportunity at GM with another team other the Texans that interests him could materialize next year when he's free to leave the Pats, but he'll never be the Pats GM as long as BB is on the scene in Boston.
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You're correct.
The NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports that the Texans asked what they would have to give up in a trade to get Caserio, whose Patriots contract is up after the 2020 draft.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...salvage-their-relationship-with-nick-caserio/
 
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