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CloakNNNdagger said:
The Texans are the first team in the NFL to win a division title after starting the season 0-3 since the 1992 San Diego Chargers.
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Great story line for our Wildcard game. Indy is 1 of only three teams to start 1-5 & make the post season.
 
infantrycak said:
Why are you crediting the QB coach instead of the WR coach, John Perry?
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I’d assume he’s referring to Watson’s accuracy improvement. Hopkins had the best hands in his draft by a wide margin. Did you see the ESPN Sports Science they did on Hopkins? His hands are huge and ridiculously strong.

EDIT: or a brain fart, (SB) lol
 
How cool would it be if the Texans managed to add Hunter Renfrow in the offseason? Obviously bigger needs on the board but would be pretty cool to see Renfrow added to the mix.
 
beerlover said:
How is Eddie Pleasent doing?
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Was picked up by Pats in July and released August.........picked up by the Cardinals October and released after just one game. Picked up by the Packers the end of November and has played sparingly with Packers. No real impact anywhere after he left the Texans.
 
Filling out my DFS lineups for the week and working up a TExan combo and looking at the TE involvement and its just so ... SAD! Would be nice to surprise the Colts on Saturday and ACTUALLY USE THE TIGHT ENDS!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Texans PR‏Verified account@TexansPR 4m4 minutes ago


The NFL named #Texans K Ka’imi Fairbairn the AFC Special Teams Player of the Month for December. This marks his first career Player of the Month award. He is the second player in team history to win the Special Teams Player of the Month award, joining Chad Stanley (Sept. 2002).
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If OBrien would realize he has a weapon in the kicker and actually use him as such the Texans would have won the 2nd Indy game and the Philadelphia game.
 
Uncle Rico said:
If OBrien would realize he has a weapon in the kicker and actually use him as such the Texans would have won the 2nd Indy game and the Philadelphia game.
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O'Brien kicks field goals you complain about his "all field goal offense" he chooses not to kick a 57 yarder out doors, and you complain that he isn't using a weapon properly. Do you even have a rational thought when it comes to our coaching staff?
 
Shishkabob said:
O'Brien kicks field goals you complain about his "all field goal offense" he chooses not to kick a 57 yarder out doors, and you complain that he isn't using a weapon properly. Do you even have a rational thought when it comes to our coaching staff?
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He doesn't.

It's almost like he wants to see BOB/Gaine fail.

Ever wonder why this could be ?
 
Shishkabob said:
O'Brien kicks field goals you complain about his "all field goal offense" he chooses not to kick a 57 yarder out doors, and you complain that he isn't using a weapon properly. Do you even have a rational thought when it comes to our coaching staff?
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Ive never complained about kicking field goals where did you get that from? I've always advocated for a proactive approach to using the Kicker. OBrien likes to out-think himself and play the 'field position and TOP battle' .. a proven winning formula WHEN THE OPPOSING OFFENSE IS NOT GOOD! If you have an enemy offense that is not having issues moving the ball why expect the D to hold? Take the shot at the long field goal - the opponent is still going to move the ball on you.

PS: OBrien has the worst red zone offense in football - just sayin' .. complaining about kicking 20 yard field goals is in itself a whole different argument, but you know this already.
 
steelbtexan said:
He doesn't.

It's almost like he wants to see BOB/Gaine fail.

Ever wonder why this could be ?
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One thing I have realized in my time on message boards really is some people only want the team to win on their terms. They think the team should make this move, or hire this coach, or draft this player, and when the team doesn't do what they want it's "this team is doomed to fail blah blah" all off season. Then they'll go on to pump their chest after every lost saying "I told you so", and after every win they make excuses about how it was luck, or the team we played weren't that good.

Fact is we just had the 2nd best regular season in team history with a very young QB coming off an ACL injury, who had to play a good portion of the season with broken ribs and a collapsed lung with no reliable offensive weapon outside of Hopkins, and complete garbage for an offensive line. If you're going to blame the coach for a loss, you have to credit him in a win
 
Uncle Rico said:
Ive never complained about kicking field goals where did you get that from? I've always advocated for a proactive approach to using the Kicker. OBrien likes to out-think himself and play the 'field position and TOP battle' .. a proven winning formula WHEN THE OPPOSING OFFENSE IS NOT GOOD! If you have an enemy offense that is not having issues moving the ball why expect the D to hold? Take the shot at the long field goal - the opponent is still going to move the ball on you.

PS: OBrien has the worst red zone offense in football - just sayin' .. complaining about kicking 20 yard field goals is in itself a whole different argument, but you know this already.
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My mistake if I lumped you in with people who always complain about the "all field goal" offense, I thought I've seen you mention it before. But I really don't think OB out thinks himself, it is really more an an analytic approach to the game. Kickers are at 60% from field goals 50+, that number drops below 50% from 55+, and goes down quite a bit more in outdoor stadiums. We have a kicker whose career long is 55, and a rookie holder who has already made many holding mistakes this season. While a bad hold, or a hold that is slightly off might not throw off a 30 yard field goal that much, it certainly would a 50+ yarder. So now you are talking about kicking with coin flip odds at best, and if you miss they have the ball at mid field for your porous defense to try and stop, RAC's defense as everyone likes to say is a "bend but don't break"(even though at 29th in redzone defense they sure break a lot when they bend) so you try to give them as much field to get a stop as possible. I think situation and time make a big difference here though. Early in the game, mid 3rd quarter in a 1 possession game play field position, if later in the game sure kick it.

Obrien is actually tied with the Giants at 27th for red zone offense, at least TD's scored
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

As you can see though, generally the top redzone offenses have good offensive lines, where as the bad redzone offenses have some of the worse. I know you know football I don't have to explain it to you, the field is condensed so you need to condense the defense as much as possible to throw so you have to be able to run the ball when you have to. As we all have seen over the last month, this offense can not run the ball when they have to. The line gets 0 push when teams know its going to be a run play, and that hurts everything else. His first 2 seasons he finished in the top half of the league in redzone offense with Fitz, Hoyer, Mallet, Keenum, etc at QB. 2016 was bad finishing next to last, but the Osweiler effect.... last season finished 20th, was top 5 with Watson in the first half of the season though. So did he just forget how to call plays in the redzone, or are there certain things limiting what this offense can do in the redzone (mainly our line)
 
Shishkabob said:
My mistake if I lumped you in with people who always complain about the "all field goal" offense, I thought I've seen you mention it before. But I really don't think OB out thinks himself, it is really more an an analytic approach to the game. Kickers are at 60% from field goals 50+, that number drops below 50% from 55+, and goes down quite a bit more in outdoor stadiums. We have a kicker whose career long is 55, and a rookie holder who has already made many holding mistakes this season. While a bad hold, or a hold that is slightly off might not throw off a 30 yard field goal that much, it certainly would a 50+ yarder. So now you are talking about kicking with coin flip odds at best, and if you miss they have the ball at mid field for your porous defense to try and stop, RAC's defense as everyone likes to say is a "bend but don't break"(even though at 29th in redzone defense they sure break a lot when they bend) so you try to give them as much field to get a stop as possible. I think situation and time make a big difference here though. Early in the game, mid 3rd quarter in a 1 possession game play field position, if later in the game sure kick it.

Obrien is actually tied with the Giants at 27th for red zone offense, at least TD's scored
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

As you can see though, generally the top redzone offenses have good offensive lines, where as the bad redzone offenses have some of the worse. I know you know football I don't have to explain it to you, the field is condensed so you need to condense the defense as much as possible to throw so you have to be able to run the ball when you have to. As we all have seen over the last month, this offense can not run the ball when they have to. The line gets 0 push when teams know its going to be a run play, and that hurts everything else. His first 2 seasons he finished in the top half of the league in redzone offense with Fitz, Hoyer, Mallet, Keenum, etc at QB. 2016 was bad finishing next to last, but the Osweiler effect.... last season finished 20th, was top 5 with Watson in the first half of the season though. So did he just forget how to call plays in the redzone, or are there certain things limiting what this offense can do in the redzone (mainly our line)
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Excellent post
 
great post @Shishkabob .. no rebuttal here. You explained it perfectly and added some facts and stats even! Fundamental differences to a common problem. I still feel as if OBrien isnt this helpless little fawn lying low in the grass so the beasts dont eat it .. he's known he's had the worst line in football since training camp 2017 .. still the same problem, so I cant buy that OBrien isnt part of that situation.

I understand the technicalities involved with FG kicking .. I guess Im spoiled watching Al Del Greco hit 50 yarder after 50 yarder "whether" (get it!) indoors or out. Forever we had substandard kickers, and we finally have a good one and we wont use him to win games? I think if you take a shot a scoring points and come up short that affords the defense that extra "juice" to get it done .. you play the 'not to lose' field position and you get what happened in the Philly game. Allow a team to go 90+ yards to win the game.
 
infantrycak said:
Actually no, it depends on the decisions made for either.
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Decisions are always interesting. Most of our discussion during and after a game is usually surrounding a key moment or obvious play, but often these situations have been set up by either good or poor choices leading up to that point. Example: the 2 and 3 where the choice is made to go with a so-called conservative run or aggressively throw the ball deep...if a poster wants to give a coach credit because they think that winning usually means the cumulative effect of all the decisions result in victory then I get that
 
Uncle Rico said:
great post @Shishkabob .. no rebuttal here. You explained it perfectly and added some facts and stats even! Fundamental differences to a common problem. I still feel as if OBrien isnt this helpless little fawn lying low in the grass so the beasts dont eat it .. he's known he's had the worst line in football since training camp 2017 .. still the same problem, so I cant buy that OBrien isnt part of that situation.

I understand the technicalities involved with FG kicking .. I guess Im spoiled watching Al Del Greco hit 50 yarder after 50 yarder "whether" (get it!) indoors or out. Forever we had substandard kickers, and we finally have a good one and we wont use him to win games? I think if you take a shot a scoring points and come up short that affords the defense that extra "juice" to get it done .. you play the 'not to lose' field position and you get what happened in the Philly game. Allow a team to go 90+ yards to win the game.
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I would have liked him to go for some of those field goals also, but I understand the reasoning behind not doing it. Some decisions BOB has made, you wonder what the reasoning behind it is. I suspect if we knew the why behind some of his decisions/strategies, we may be more supportive of some of the head scratchers, but maybe not. Regardless, whether we agree or not, his decisions and strategies have proved effective 11 times this year. Hopefully he can find success 4 more times this year.
 
Texas Jake said:
I would have liked him to go for some of those field goals also, but I understand the reasoning behind not doing it. Some decisions BOB has made, you wonder what the reasoning behind it is. I suspect if we knew the why behind some of his decisions/strategies, we may be more supportive of some of the head scratchers, but maybe not. Regardless, whether we agree or not, his decisions and strategies have proved effective 11 times this year. Hopefully he can find success 4 more times this year.
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When people ask him tough questions he gets bent out of shape and berates the reporter or just storms off the podium in a huffy puffy tantrum. Ive been willing to let this guy do his job and prove himself, but in some discussions OBrien has already proven himself. Im with you .. winning cures all, and if OBrien (cough couch Watson) can dig up some magic and at least hit the AFCCG then there is a bright future for this nucleus .. flame out and get embarassed? "Well we werent even supposed to get that far with a bad line or bad CBs or bad whatever" .. accountability starts at the top. Attributing all the wins to OBrien isnt living in reality either because the game deciding moments in several of those were completely out of his hands and actually boiled down to miscues on the other side of the field or just flat out heroics by Watson (5 game winning drives)? Say he's a lucky coach? Hell yeah, this year he has been. Championship runs are composed of some luck mixed in with an identity .. whats the identity of the Texans?
 
Texas Jake said:
I would have liked him to go for some of those field goals also, but I understand the reasoning behind not doing it. ...
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I think the opponent really plays a role in looking at our HC. Doug Pederson just won a SB and then improbably made the playoffs with the exact opposite attitude - take any chance for points, regard 4 downs as 4 chances for a 1st not 3 chances & a punt...even with a backup QB (admittedly best one around). The contrast was stark.
 
Uncle Rico said:
When people ask him tough questions he gets bent out of shape and berates the reporter or just storms off the podium in a huffy puffy tantrum. Ive been willing to let this guy do his job and prove himself, but in some discussions OBrien has already proven himself. Im with you .. winning cures all, and if OBrien (cough couch Watson) can dig up some magic and at least hit the AFCCG then there is a bright future for this nucleus .. flame out and get embarassed? "Well we werent even supposed to get that far with a bad line or bad CBs or bad whatever" .. accountability starts at the top. Attributing all the wins to OBrien isnt living in reality either because the game deciding moments in several of those were completely out of his hands and actually boiled down to miscues on the other side of the field or just flat out heroics by Watson (5 game winning drives)? Say he's a lucky coach? Hell yeah, this year he has been. Championship runs are composed of some luck mixed in with an identity .. whats the identity of the Texans?
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The Watson/Hopkins connection and a stout defense before the secondary is the identity of this yrs Houston Texans.
 
Uncle Rico said:
great post @Shishkabob .. no rebuttal here. You explained it perfectly and added some facts and stats even! Fundamental differences to a common problem. I still feel as if OBrien isnt this helpless little fawn lying low in the grass so the beasts dont eat it .. he's known he's had the worst line in football since training camp 2017 .. still the same problem, so I cant buy that OBrien isnt part of that situation.

I understand the technicalities involved with FG kicking .. I guess Im spoiled watching Al Del Greco hit 50 yarder after 50 yarder "whether" (get it!) indoors or out. Forever we had substandard kickers, and we finally have a good one and we wont use him to win games? I think if you take a shot a scoring points and come up short that affords the defense that extra "juice" to get it done .. you play the 'not to lose' field position and you get what happened in the Philly game. Allow a team to go 90+ yards to win the game.
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I'm not trying to be some O'Brien apologists by any means, I often disagree with his decisions and I do put our problems on him, not entirely but the buck stop at the HC. I do think some of use here such as yourself can become overly critical of him, sometimes he makes the right calls and players just fail to execute simple tasks. I also think some posters on here get way to defensive and protective over O'Brien when he does mess up, i.e. Mr.Tex. Pretty sure I have argued with you both numerous times lol.

Honestly in game I probably agree more with your 2nd part, I want to be aggressive and go for the win. But I can't argue with results either, and he is what 30-2 now when leading at the half, the 2nd loss coming against Philly. Idk this discussion is where I feel bad for HCs lol, you can play it smart like OB did and if it doesn't work out you get called out for not being aggressive, if you go for it and miss leaving them a short field you get called out for making a dumb decision(see Vance Joseph). There is no right decision until that clock hits 0, by then your either a hero or a clown.
 
Shishkabob said:
I'm not trying to be some O'Brien apologists by any means, I often disagree with his decisions and I do put our problems on him, not entirely but the buck stop at the HC. I do think some of use here such as yourself can become overly critical of him, sometimes he makes the right calls and players just fail to execute simple tasks. I also think some posters on here get way to defensive and protective over O'Brien when he does mess up, i.e. Mr.Tex. Pretty sure I have argued with you both numerous times lol.

Honestly in game I probably agree more with your 2nd part, I want to be aggressive and go for the win. But I can't argue with results either, and he is what 30-2 now when leading at the half, the 2nd loss coming against Philly. Idk this discussion is where I feel bad for HCs lol, you can play it smart like OB did and if it doesn't work out you get called out for not being aggressive, if you go for it and miss leaving them a short field you get called out for making a dumb decision(see Vance Joseph). There is no right decision until that clock hits 0, by then your either a hero or a clown.
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And the flip side to the coin is that OBrien is 10-36 when trailing at the half. Just for balance. Take that how you will.

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/bill-obrien-is-now-31-1-when-texans-lead-at-halftime-11082827

4. So how about the other side of being 31-1 when leading at the half... the record when O'Brien DOESN'T lead at the half?
It's like the sleazy gambling tout once said on The Simpsons after his super best bet went down the tubes (forcing Homer into near bankruptcy, if I remember correctly) — hey, when you're right 52 percent of the time, you're wrong 48 percent of the time! For O'Brien, it's even less balanced than that, though — when you're 31-1 when leading at the half, you're 10-36 when tied or trailing at the half! That's not great, not great at all. For the record, the ten wins in which the Texans were tied or trailing at the half have come against the following opponents (with halftime deficit in parentheses):

SHOW ME HOW
2014, Week 4: vs Buffalo (-3)
2014, Week 14 at Jacksonville (-3)
2015, Week 3 vs Tampa Bay (-2)
2015, Week 10 at Cincinnati (-3)
2015, Week 15 at Indianapolis (-7)
2016, Week 1 vs Chicago (-4)
2016, Week 6 vs Indianapolis (-10)
2016, Week 15 vs Jacksonville (-8)
2016, Week 16 vs Cincinnati (-3)
2017, Week 11 vs Arizona (-4)

So, yes, the only comeback from a double digit deficit at halftime in the O'Brien Era was engineered by Brock Osweiler. And yes, the second largest halftime deficit overcome in the O'Brien Era came ten weeks later in the game where Osweiler was benched in the second half for Tom Savage.

The moral of the story — the Brock Osweiler season in 2016 was freaking weird, man.
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Im not going to bash on OBrien anymore. Im done with it. I'll just ignore ridiculous comments and after the season see who's worth arguing with and who isnt. I dont resort to name calling or demeaning language, I try to empower others to contribute and offer differing opinions, its healthy for conversation. There are very smart guys on the other end of the argument too, Steel, Mr Tex included, but for the sake of a continuous and flowing board I wont engage in back and forth with them about the same topics anymore. Works out for everyone, no hard feelings and all the rants and hot headed posts will be kept to a minimum. Its a passionate topic so I understand the dynamics involved, and for guys like yourself who take a more even keeled approach its not fair to have to sift through a bunch of BS posts to finally get to the topic at hand.
 
Uncle Rico said:
. I dont resort to name calling or demeaning language, I try to empower others to contribute and offer differing opinions, its healthy for conversation.
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I do owe you an apology I believe, as I made a comment in jest about your love for Kubiak. You didn't take it as a joke, ranted a little and said you were blocking me. Hindsight I should have framed it as a joke better, so you didn't think it was an insult as tone is hard to convey through text. But glad to see I am apparently no longer on your **** list, hope to have more discussions with you
 
Shishkabob said:
I do owe you an apology I believe, as I made a comment in jest about your love for Kubiak. You didn't take it as a joke, ranted a little and said you were blocking me. Hindsight I should have framed it as a joke better, so you didn't think it was an insult as tone is hard to convey through text. But glad to see I am apparently no longer on your **** list, hope to have more discussions with you
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Its better to block at times than let it get personal .. no harm no foul. I usually go back and unblock everyone after a while. That 'ignored content' button just screams to me.
 
Uncle Rico said:
And the flip side to the coin is that OBrien is 10-36 when trailing at the half. Just for balance. Take that how you will.

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/bill-obrien-is-now-31-1-when-texans-lead-at-halftime-11082827



Im not going to bash on OBrien anymore. Im done with it. I'll just ignore ridiculous comments and after the season see who's worth arguing with and who isnt. I dont resort to name calling or demeaning language, I try to empower others to contribute and offer differing opinions, its healthy for conversation. There are very smart guys on the other end of the argument too, Steel, Mr Tex included, but for the sake of a continuous and flowing board I wont engage in back and forth with them about the same topics anymore. Works out for everyone, no hard feelings and all the rants and hot headed posts will be kept to a minimum. Its a passionate topic so I understand the dynamics involved, and for guys like yourself who take a more even keeled approach its not fair to have to sift through a bunch of BS posts to finally get to the topic at hand.
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The Texans haven't won a game when they are tied at halftime?
:yikes:
 
Uncle Rico said:
And the flip side to the coin is that OBrien is 10-36 when trailing at the half. Just for balance. Take that how you will.

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/bill-obrien-is-now-31-1-when-texans-lead-at-halftime-11082827



Im not going to bash on OBrien anymore. Im done with it. I'll just ignore ridiculous comments and after the season see who's worth arguing with and who isnt. I dont resort to name calling or demeaning language, I try to empower others to contribute and offer differing opinions, its healthy for conversation. There are very smart guys on the other end of the argument too, Steel, Mr Tex included, but for the sake of a continuous and flowing board I wont engage in back and forth with them about the same topics anymore. Works out for everyone, no hard feelings and all the rants and hot headed posts will be kept to a minimum. Its a passionate topic so I understand the dynamics involved, and for guys like yourself who take a more even keeled approach its not fair to have to sift through a bunch of BS posts to finally get to the topic at hand.
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A well thoughtout post

Get back to me in a couple of yrs, if Watson stays healthy and Gaine does as well as I think he's going to do then we will have a lot to talk about.
 
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