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I rather have Shanahan than Garropolo or Beathard. With OB he'll make any qb look like a rookie qb in high school.
 
ObsiWan said:
They used to call "In the Grasp" on plays where the QB was wrapped up;


what happened to those calls?
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In 1991, the rule changed. Under the new wording, the referee is instructed to blow the whistle when a defensive player has a quarterback in his grasp ''only when (the quarterback's) safety is in jeopardy'' so that QBs could still get the ball out when the D has him wrapped but not his safety. The rule wording change has progressively allowed more liberal interpretation.

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'IN-THE-GRASP' RULE CHANGED TO HELP QBS
Don Pierson, Chicago Tribune

Quarterbacks will get a break next season if National Football League officials correctly enforce the more liberal ''in-the-grasp-and-control'' rule passed by owners Wednesday.

Under the new wording, the referee is instructed to blow the whistle when a defensive player has a quarterback in his grasp ''only when (the quarterback's) safety is in jeopardy.''

''That was the original intent of grasp-and-control, the safety of the quarterback. We probably got too tight on things,'' said Jerry Seeman, who refereed two of the last three Super Bowls and is now the new supervisor of officials.

It was Seeman who initiated the ''in-the-grasp'' modification in hopes of removing the layers of amendments that have cluttered the rulebook over the years and complicated officiating.

Common sense is the element Seeman wants to see.

''What I don't want is the mobile quarterback getting wrapped up below and the quarterback is throwing the ball for a 40-yard gain and we're bringing it back,'' he said.

Seeman showed the Competition Committee 31 in-the-grasp calls made during last season, 20 of which were correct under 1990 rules. Under the new rules, Seeman said only eight would have been called.

The change should help every quarterback, but especially mobile or big passers. San Diego State's 6-foot-8-inch Dan McGwire, one of the top prospects in this draft, should benefit from the rule because of his ability to ignore would-be tacklers and still complete passes.
 
Credit to him for toughing it out another play. I find it difficult to imagine many more painful experiences than a 260lb-backed helmet crashing into the point of your elbow.
 
To be clear, UCL surgery is not off the table on #JoshAllen. I try to stay optimistic and hope for best case November return (and not be click bait or rile up a fan base). Over under is 6 weeks out. If surgery, would miss most/all or 2019 too. https://t.co/PS5fG5Lrq1

— David J. Chao, MD (@ProFootballDoc) October 16, 2018

I know CnD will come in here to give us more insight on this.
 
StarStruck said:
Is that why we played so well yesterday?

Oh, and that baaaadddd man broke SF heart.
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I have no clue, but seeing as Garret is signed through 2019 it doesn't make sense to extend him until after the season at the earliest. But the guy does write for the Cowboys website, so he has to have some insider knowledge right?
 
Someone on ESPN (can't remember which talking head) said Packers HC McCarthy and Rodgers were not getting along and the HC might be out after this season. If that were to happen I WISH McNair would jump on him because McCarthy knows how to architect an offense. I know it helps having the best QB in the NFL but the routes the WRs were running created consistent openings all over the place. Damn I just want BoB gone.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
Someone on ESPN (can't remember which talking head) said Packers HC McCarthy and Rodgers were not getting along and the HC might be out after this season. If that were to happen I WISH McNair would jump on him because McCarthy knows how to architect an offense. I know it helps having the best QB in the NFL but the routes the WRs were running created consistent openings all over the place. Damn I just want BoB gone.
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Honestly I am not so sure about this. A good majority of Green Bays offense is Rodger's improvising out there. They said as much in last nights coverage. That is the issue with the new set of receivers he has, they don't know how to play off of his improvisation yet. But Rodgers and Watson has similar play styles, so I guess you could make an argument that Mccarthy's offense allows for some improvisation. But winning 1 SB with Rodgers is pretty disappointing
 
Shishkabob said:
Honestly I am not so sure about this. A good majority of Green Bays offense is Rodger's improvising out there. They said as much in last nights coverage. That is the issue with the new set of receivers he has, they don't know how to play off of his improvisation yet. But Rodgers and Watson has similar play styles, so I guess you could make an argument that Mccarthy's offense allows for some improvisation. But winning 1 SB with Rodgers is pretty disappointing
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all true but getting past the 2nd of the playoffs is more disappointing-er.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
all true but getting past the 2nd of the playoffs is more disappointing-er.
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yea, it's just hard for me to accurately judge a coach who coaches one of the greats. Like how much of NE's offense is on McDaniel's? Brady audibles to other plays all the time, i don't even know if they run what McDaniel's calls half the time. Same with Rodger's and McCarthy, Rodger's just does his own thing to much for me to really say McCarthy is some genius play caller. He very well could be, I just can't accurately say he is.
 
Shishkabob said:
yea, it's just hard for me to accurately judge a coach who coaches one of the greats. Like how much of NE's offense is on McDaniel's? Brady audibles to other plays all the time, i don't even know if they run what McDaniel's calls half the time. Same with Rodger's and McCarthy, Rodger's just does his own thing to much for me to really say McCarthy is some genius play caller. He very well could be, I just can't accurately say he is.
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well I can confidently say McCarthy would not be as inept and flaccid as BoBs offense.
 
Shishkabob said:
yea, it's just hard for me to accurately judge a coach who coaches one of the greats. Like how much of NE's offense is on McDaniel's? Brady audibles to other plays all the time, i don't even know if they run what McDaniel's calls half the time. Same with Rodger's and McCarthy, Rodger's just does his own thing to much for me to really say McCarthy is some genius play caller. He very well could be, I just can't accurately say he is.
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Green Bay’s recievers get open so there is that.
 
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Report: NFL fines Raiders for violating its injury report policy
Posted by Charean Williams on October 18, 2018, 2:37 PM EDT

The NFL has fined the Raiders for violating its injury report policy, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports. The team will pay $20,000 for the violation.

It is a rare move by the NFL, but an easy one considering guard Kelechi Osemele did not travel with the team to Los Angeles in Week Five.

The league’s rules require road teams to report players who don’t make the trip.

The Raiders listed Osemele as questionable for the game against the Chargers with a knee injury, but they failed to downgrade him to out when he stayed home.

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Man, that'll put a dent in the team's finances..........they'll never do THAT again..........:chef:
 
They way the Bronco's DaeSean Hamilton was hit in the knee on a STs play last night, you have to consider an ACL tear. I'll be anxious to see if we hear anything after an MRI is performed.
 
Marshawn Lynch has sustained a groin injury and after an MRI that was taken, it looks like he will be out at least a month. In 2016, Lynch sustained a groin injury for which he was later placed on IR..........to underwent sports hernia surgery. Putting all this together makes me put another sports hernia at the top of the list.
 
Gronkowski doesn't look like he will play against the Bears. His back problems are inevitably catching up with him. The Patriots are sharing the same problem that the Texans had last year............with their backup TE already ruled out, I believe the Patriots will have only one TE available.
 
What is the Cowboys/Redskins game doing on CBS?

AFC games used to be on CBS and NFC games used to be on Fox. When did this change? After conditioning fans for yrs this is a stupid change. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
What is the Cowboys/Redskins game doing on CBS?

AFC games used to be on CBS and NFC games used to be on Fox. When did this change? After conditioning fans for yrs this is a stupid change. IMHO
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I don't know the exact rules, but it's been like this at least one season, maybe 2. I think the network with the doubleheader basically gets to pick its games that week.

Edit: got interested and found this on Wikipedia

Beginning in 2014, the NFL will also be able to "cross-flex" games between Fox and CBS, enabling CBS to televise NFC away games (including NFC vs. NFC contests), and Fox to broadcast AFC away games (including AFC vs. AFC contests).[33][34] The league can also "cross-flex" some of these games before the start of the season. For example, in 2014, the Carolina Panthers at Atlanta Falcons game in Week 17, originally a 1 PM Fox game, was cross-flexed to 4:25 PM on CBS. Despite the two teams' losing records, they were playing a game where the winner would become the NFC South champion and host a first-round playoff game. As Fox already had crucial NFC North games with playoff implications, and CBS did not have any games with such assigned to 4:25 PM (games with AFC playoff implications had been assigned to 1 PM), the NFL reassigned the game to CBS at 4:25 PM to give affiliates a game with playoff implications at the time.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_on_television
 
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uhmm..the giants coach just had a last 4 minutes of game and clock mismanagement that both Jason Garrett :mariopalm:and BOB :hankpalm: .
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Terrible luck for the Bucks LB corps last night. LB Jack Cichy joins Kwon Alexander on the the ruptured ACL list...............ACL #41.
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Just a thought and I'm certain it will be corrected.....the athletes of today are essentially no different than the players of the very early days of professional football.....structurally. Same bones, joints, ligaments and tendons. The difference, size, weight and speed stressing those bones, joints, ligaments and tendons. The fields and game cleats could play a roll since the field grip has been greatly increased over the years, which could be forcing more stress on the player's body and their structure just can't handle it.
 
NY Giants bombed again last night on national TV as some 3rd round pick for the Falcons named Tevin Coleman out rushed the Giants shiny new #2 pick overall in the 2018 Draft Sequan Barkley.
The Giants were so ill advised to use that very high pick on a RB instead of going for a potential franchise QB to be Mannings replacement who is obviously over the hill, way over the hill.
 
IDEXAN said:
NY Giants bombed again last night on national TV as some 3rd round pick for the Falcons named Tevin Coleman out rushed the Giants shiny new #2 pick overall in the 2018 Draft Sequan Barkley.
The Giants were so ill advised to use that very high pick on a RB instead of going for a potential franchise QB to be Mannings replacement who is obviously over the hill, way over the hill.
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Barkley will pay dividends. The Giants blundered in their off-season acquisitions and the trading of Manning's eventual replacement. They will get a QB in this draft and based on how they're playing, it could be one of the better college QB's.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Barkley will pay dividends. The Giants blundered in their off-season acquisitions and the trading of Manning's eventual replacement. They will get a QB in this draft and based on how they're playing, it could be one of the better college QB's.
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Their OL is about as good as ours; they too need to spend some serious picks there. They were terrible this week.
 
IDEXAN said:
NY Giants bombed again last night on national TV as some 3rd round pick for the Falcons named Tevin Coleman out rushed the Giants shiny new #2 pick overall in the 2018 Draft Sequan Barkley.
The Giants were so ill advised to use that very high pick on a RB instead of going for a potential franchise QB to be Mannings replacement who is obviously over the hill, way over the hill.
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Coleman "outperformed" Barkley because of 1 run, in which Landon Collins way over ran that play leaving no one between Coleman and the endzone. I've seen enough from Barkley so far to know even on this putrid offense the Giants have he is one of the best backs in the league
 
Eli Apple was just traded to the Saints. No word on the return yet, this was a move I contemplated wanting the Texans to make.

Compensation for the former 2016 first round pick, a 4th and a 7th. I actually wouldn't have mind seeing the Texans make this move seeing what he was traded for. I think Apple is as talented as any corner coming out of this draft.
 
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Shishkabob said:
Eli Apple was just traded to the Saints. No word on the return yet, this was a move I contemplated wanting the Texans to make.

Compensation for the former 2016 first round pick, a 4th and a 7th. I actually wouldn't have mind seeing the Texans make this move seeing what he was traded for. I think Apple is as talented as any corner coming out of this draft.
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LoL

Good trade

Even though trades don't happen in the NFL
 
Shishkabob said:
Coleman "outperformed" Barkley because of 1 run, in which Landon Collins way over ran that play leaving no one between Coleman and the endzone. I've seen enough from Barkley so far to know even on this putrid offense the Giants have he is one of the best backs in the league
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Third round picks Alvin Mentian and Kareem Hunt are amoung the best backs in this league. Use that #2 overall pick on a franchise QB or load up on picks by trading it to another team that wants to.
 
IDEXAN said:
Third round picks Alvin Mentian and Kareem Hunt are amoung the best backs in this league. Use that #2 overall pick on a franchise QB or load up on picks by trading it to another team that wants to.
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So are Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliot, and Melvin Gordon(all first round picks) then you have Bell who is a 2nd round pick. Bottom line you can make a case based on players that you should wait to draft any position until later, not all the best QBs are round 1 picks right? Not all the best lineman, receivers, DBs, etc. are all round 1 picks are they? Bottom line if there is a player you feel is going to be great, like they and many others felt about Barkley, and he is the best player on your board take him. Sure Hunt and Kamara are really good backs, but they also play on a loaded offense in which they almost never go against stacked boxes, Barkley as a rookie is accounting for 40% of their offense currently as a rookie, only a feat in which Dickerson and Faulk have done. I too think the Giants needed a QB bad, it sucks watching what should be a very potent offense single handily neutered by Eli Manning, but on the bright side now they have a stud RB, and will most likely have a top 5 pick to get their QB.
 
Shishkabob said:
Eli Apple was just traded to the Saints. No word on the return yet, this was a move I contemplated wanting the Texans to make.

Compensation for the former 2016 first round pick, a 4th and a 7th. I actually wouldn't have mind seeing the Texans make this move seeing what he was traded for. I think Apple is as talented as any corner coming out of this draft.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Apple
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On December 27, 2017, Apple was suspended by the team for the 2017 season finale after reportedly getting into an argument with coaching staff about being on the scout team and for a "pattern of behavior that is conduct detrimental to the team".[27]
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Wondered why a 2016 first round CB, 23 year old 3-year pro would go so cheap and guess that's the answer - another knuckle-head.
 
Shishkabob said:
So are Todd Gurley, Ezekiel Elliot, and Melvin Gordon(all first round picks) then you have Bell who is a 2nd round pick. Bottom line you can make a case based on players that you should wait to draft any position until later, not all the best QBs are round 1 picks right? Not all the best lineman, receivers, DBs, etc. are all round 1 picks are they? Bottom line if there is a player you feel is going to be great, like they and many others felt about Barkley, and he is the best player on your board take him. Sure Hunt and Kamara are really good backs, but they also play on a loaded offense in which they almost never go against stacked boxes, Barkley as a rookie is accounting for 40% of their offense currently as a rookie, only a feat in which Dickerson and Faulk have done. I too think the Giants needed a QB bad, it sucks watching what should be a very potent offense single handily neutered by Eli Manning, but on the bright side now they have a stud RB, and will most likely have a top 5 pick to get their QB.
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Gurley was the 10th overall and Gordon mid-first round, right ? IMO that's not too much to pay for an elite RB.
Elliot top five, too much IMHO.
 
IDEXAN said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Apple
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Wondered why a 2016 first round CB, 23 year old 3-year pro would go so cheap and guess that's the answer - another knuckle-head.
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No he’s not. He’s an immature momma’s boy. That’s always been his knock. He’s also very entitled. That doesn’t rub teammates well; hence the locker room cancer stuff. As far as I know, zero legal troubles.
 
IDEXAN said:
Gurley was the 10th overall and Gordon mid-first round, right ? IMO that's not too much to pay for an elite RB.
Elliot top five, too much IMHO.
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Where is the exact pick cutoff that would be acceptable/not acceptable? 6 ... 7 ... 8 ... 9 ... or is it only at 10? And how is this imaginary, arbitrary line determined one pick from the next? If 10 is ok then why not 9?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Where is the exact pick cutoff that would be acceptable/not acceptable? 6 ... 7 ... 8 ... 9 ... or is it only at 10? And how is this imaginary, arbitrary line determined one pick from the next? If 10 is ok then why not 9?
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Agree it's a little bit arbitrary. Ahem, I'd stick pretty close with top 5 though.
It's just that a franchise QBs value in the NFL is really imeasureable any more. Gotta have one to be a serious contender. Period.
 
PapaL said:
No he’s not. He’s an immature momma’s boy. That’s always been his knock. He’s also very entitled. That doesn’t rub teammates well; hence the locker room cancer stuff. As far as I know, zero legal troubles.
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is anyone not a problem in the Giants locker room? I wonder if it's more of a team culture thing than an individual player thing. I think a team with a strong locker room could handle and help Eli grow, which is why I wouldn't have mind seeing the Texans take a flier on the guy, we have good leadership on our team.
 
Watching the game, I was concerned that Michel had ruptured his ACL on that play..........especially since it was the left knee.........the same knee he ruptured his ACL in 2011 (as I wrote about in the TEXANS VS PATRIOTS INJURY REPORT) and had issues with earlier this season.

Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet

Sources: #Patriots RB Sony Michel’s knee injury is not considered serious following his MRI. His timetable isn’t clear, but this is pretty good news for their impressive rookie runner. He still could miss time, but if he does, it may not be much.

12:10 PM - Oct 22, 2018
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