They are calling up Sharpe to play RT from the PS.
Cant be worse than Davenport.
He's got talent and strength Davenport is lacking.
Cant be worse than Davenport.
He's got talent and strength Davenport is lacking.
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Well we thought Davenport couldn't be worse than Breno.
Sharpe can play though.
His weakness is stamina issues.
I see Sharpe like Trent Brown. Huge talented guy who is a project, but the talent is there .
Shishkabob
All Pro
Brown is a FA after this year, if he continues playing how he has started the season and that Pats don't wisely re-sign him, I would consider throwing a considerable amount of cash his way.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He's going to have the same pad level problems that Davenport has......but for different reasons. He is so huge that he has limited range of motion in his knees to bend down and then explode from low to high (under his opponent's pads). I don't see coaching overcoming anatomical limitations. It will be interesting to see how he does.
CloakNNNdagger
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patrickVerified account@PatDStat 12h12 hours ago
Of the 28 called penalties, 21.4% of the penalties have been on the offensive line. Julién Davenport is responsible for 25% of the Texans penalties this season. #Texans
Of the 28 called penalties, 21.4% of the penalties have been on the offensive line. Julién Davenport is responsible for 25% of the Texans penalties this season. #Texans
infantrycak
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patrickVerified account@PatDStat 12h12 hours ago
Of the 28 called penalties, 21.4% of the penalties have been on the offensive line. Julién Davenport is responsible for 25% of the Texans penalties this season. #Texans
He must mean Davenport is 25% of the OL penalties.
Edit - those stats are whack. That's 6 penalties on the OL. Davenport has more than 1.5 penalties if the 25% is of OL. But Davenport alone can't exceed the 21.4% if not.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I read Davenport actually had more than that, but they were declined or offsetting.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Davenport has had 8 called penalties. 1 wad offaet & 1 declined, so 6 accepted.
The stat is therefore Davenport is 21.4% of the 28 total penalties. The rest of the OL had to have more than 1 so no idea about the 25%.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Who on a new PS gets "up to speed" in less than 2 weeks???????? He was signed by the Texans on September 12, 2018. Tells you how desperate the situation is with the OTs potentially backing up the Davenport position being Johnson and Lamm.
He's a pretty good athlete though. He has some bend for such a big guy. I think he will do well in pass pro and struggle somewhat in the run game because of the issues you bring up. If Sharpe gets his hands on you you're done. Not an all pro but an avg RT and certainly an upgrade over what Davenport was giving them.
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Meanwhile a local guy gets traded from the Bills to Carolina.
Marshall Newhouse while not a world beater is a competent OT which is better than anything that's played RT the last 2 1/2 games.
Shishkabob
All Pro
ehh Newhouse has played exactly 11 snaps this year as the 6th lineman in run situations. He has been penalized twice in those 11 snaps.
this is what PFF said about him after he signed with the raiders last year
Marshall Newhouse graded well enough in 2016, but he only played 524 snaps, and his career baseline is far worse. He can start in a pinch, and is capable of good games, but the longer he is on the field the worse things tend to get, and his last full season of starting resulted in five sacks and 51 total pressures surrendered.
this is a write up they did going into their week 17 game last year
- T Marshall Newhouse vs. Edge Melvin Ingram – The Raiders will have their hands full with two of the premier edge defenders in the NFL in Ingram and Joey Bosa. Newhouse’s eight sacks allowed this season are the fourth-most for any offensive lineman and ranks 58th among offensive tackles in pass-blocking efficiency (pressure allowed per-snap with weighting toward sacks). Newhouse allowed one sack and three total pressures in 30 pass-blocking snaps against the Chargers in Week 6. Ingram is the ninth-ranked edge defender this year with a 90.6 overall PFF grade. His 72 total pressures are the fourth-most of any edge defender. Ingram ranks 10th in pass-rushing productivity when rushing from the left side this season.
He is pretty poor in both run blocking, and pass blocking but so is davenport I suppose
banned1976
sleeper mode
I just saw a one minute clip from the Giants game. The Texans were at the Giants 7 yard line. The Giants were missing a DT - they only had 10 men on the field. Miller was handed the ball, the play was a HB draw, designed right to the hole where the DT that didn’t check in would have been. The tackle and guard still missed the linebacker, 1 yard gain.
Sad isn't it
That is so ridiculously bad. I don't even know what to say.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
And who was supposed to call the blocking adjustment on that play?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Where are the rankings of the players under kubes/smith prior to OBrien?
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Whether you use football outsiders or pro football focus or rotoworld, during the smith/Kubiak era, the offensive line never ranked lower than 13th. That was even breaking in Brown and guys like Studdard starting and Myers getting acclimated. Now Obrien comes in with his philosophy if line play and it's been garbage every since. How does that happen? I will let you figure out what happened
Previously, I posted that even the great Peyton Manning had a center who made the blocking adjustments. I would hope the genius on Kirby would not try to overload his young QB with making the OL adjustments too.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...standing-jeff-saturday-and-the-offensive-line
I can tell you what happened, a HC that wants one kind of OL and a GM who was raised learning a different kind of OL. It was never going to work and couldn't be rebuilt quickly without spending big $$$$ in FA which ownership apparently wasn't willing to do.
You get what you pay for in life and the Texans org is suffering the consequences of those bad decisions of both Ricky/Gaine. I just hope Watson can make it thru this yr without a major injury. It should be criminal what they've done with Watson.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Of course an HC can override this but generally Air Coryell (Manning) & WCO (Kubiak, etc.) have the center make the line calls while EP has it all on the QB. Philosophically I like the division of the former but it can work either way.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Here we go again acting as if we didn't try to fork out the money. That is false.
And again the GM'S job is to acquire players that fits the coaches scheme. Rick grab players who Obrien wanted for his so called system. Bill Obrien dismantle that oline. And it should be very clear by now that he doesn't know how to coach them up.
And again the GM'S job is to acquire players that fits the coaches scheme. Rick grab players who Obrien wanted for his so called system. Bill Obrien dismantle that oline. And it should be very clear by now that he doesn't know how to coach them up.
@Brickwallblitz
QB hits allowed (as of Week 3) TEN: 7 DET: 10 LAR: 10 OAK: 10 CIN: 11 MIA: 11 NO: 12 NYJ: 12 CAR: 13 CHI: 13 JAX: 13 LAC: 15 NE: 16 MIN: 17 PIT: 17 BAL: 18 WAS: 18 DEN: 19 ARI: 20 GB: 20 IND: 20 KC: 20 NYG: 20 BUF: 22 SF: 22 ATL: 23 DAL: 23 TB: 23 PHI: 24 SEA: 26 CLE: 29 HOU: 34
QB hits allowed (as of Week 3) TEN: 7 DET: 10 LAR: 10 OAK: 10 CIN: 11 MIA: 11 NO: 12 NYJ: 12 CAR: 13 CHI: 13 JAX: 13 LAC: 15 NE: 16 MIN: 17 PIT: 17 BAL: 18 WAS: 18 DEN: 19 ARI: 20 GB: 20 IND: 20 KC: 20 NYG: 20 BUF: 22 SF: 22 ATL: 23 DAL: 23 TB: 23 PHI: 24 SEA: 26 CLE: 29 HOU: 34
infantrycak
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Someone has different standards since another source had 19 in week 3 alone.
PFF had 19 pressures, not hits, in week 3
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Thx for the clarification.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What big money free agent lineman rick Smith signed during his time with Kubiak? How come 1 coach can inherit one of the worse o-lines in football and 2 yrs later that is #13? Oh yeah, they worked in the 8th tackle taken project in Brown.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Seth Payne said he watched the All 22 for the Giants game specifically focusing on the offensive line and stated he had never seen an offensive line unit get manhandled the way the Texans were.
How do you get all 22 camera shots?
How do you get all 22 camera shots?
CloakNNNdagger
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I've always had to question the subjectivity of the "hurry" stat.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Looked as if these were beginning to toll as time wore down on Sunday. Not looking good for DW4 behind this line.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...ams-biggest-problems-cardinals-texans-raiders
Houston Texans (0-3): The Porous Offensive Line
The Texans’ failings thus far can best be pinned to their underperforming offensive line, a bottom-three unit in 2017 that managed to somehow get worse over the offseason. A general lack of depth has been exacerbated by injuries: When starting right tackle Seantrel Henderson was lost for the season to an ankle injury in Week 1, Houston moved left tackle Julién Davenport over for Week 2 and replaced him on the left with rookie Martinas Rankin. Then, in Week 3, starting guard Senio Kelemete was injured in pregame warmups and replaced by backup Greg Mancz, which further threw that unit out of whack. The results of that shakeup have been disastrous from a schematic point of view, and quarterback Deshaun Watson’s been pressured on a league-high 49.2 percent of his dropbacks.
Josh ADHD@FantasyADHD
https://twitter.com/FantasyADHD/status/1044704472134504448
QB Deshaun Watson is taking a beating due to the HOU OL & scheme. He has endured 27 knockdowns, 43 hits, 11 sacks, & 50 pressures to open the season.
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To make matters worse, the offensive line keeps picking up drive-killing penalties, putting Watson in endless tough down-and-distance situations. In the Texans’ 27-22 loss to the Giants on Sunday, the offensive line not only surrendered an absurd 19 pressures, per PFF, but committed an additional six penalties. It’s just tough to win when the line is constantly pushing you backwards.
Of course, a sieve-like offensive line is nothing new for Watson, who endured a 47.7 percent pressure rate in the seven games he played in 2017, per PFF. This year, though, his relative lack of mobility (as he continues to recover from ACL surgery) makes him slightly less dangerous as a scrambler and escape-artist, and the Texans’ new, more traditional drop-back scheme on offense has struggled to mitigate all the issues that pressure creates. The read option, so effective at slowing the rush last year, hasn’t been a big part of the game plan in 2018, and play-caller and head coach Bill O’Brien’s gone away from the heavy doses of play-action we saw in 2017, too.
Shotgun play fakes were Watson’s bread-and-butter last year: In the seven games Watson played, he threw off play-action on an NFL-high 30.3 percent of dropbacks, racking up 683 yards (first among all teams during that stretch) at 10.0 yards per attempt (sixth) with 11 touchdowns (first) and a 121.5 passer rating (fifth). This year, it’s gone the other direction. Watson’s thrown off play-action on just 16.9 percent of his dropbacks (23rd of 34 qualifying passers), with 202 yards (12th), no touchdowns, and two interceptions for a passer rating of 54.6 (dead last). That part of his game—the foundation on which he based his electric breakout rookie campaign—has gone conspicuously quiet.
Still, a few mental mistakes and three untimely end zone interceptions have marred what’s otherwise been a steady performance for Watson this year in the face of near-constant pressure. Through three weeks, he’s graded out 10th among quarterbacks, per PFF, with 871 yards passing, five touchdowns, three picks, and an 89.8 passer rating at a respectable 8.2 yards per attempt. His connection with receiver Will Fuller remains undeniably strong, and he’s still delivering the ball to DeAndre Hopkins downfield.
The Texans offense, despite all its shortcomings thus far, doesn’t feel too far off. But O’Brien and the team’s offensive brain trust have to find more ways to work around an offensive line that’s not likely to get much better. Read-option run plays and the triple-option may be off the menu in order to protect Watson’s knee, but the team can resurrect the deadly play-action passing attack we saw last year and keep the pass rush at bay by finding more ways to get the ball out quickly. If they don’t, the Texans could be in for a long season.
This pretty much says it all.
Exactly what I predicted after the FA/Draft seasons.
How long before the lets see what they've got during the new season crowd admits this offseason was a failure and they failed to properly protect the 1st franchise QB since their inception?
I'm encouraged by your comments SteelB. Would you have taken him ahead of Julian in last years Draft SteelB ? Know what I think I know the answer to that question.
Florida who has a history of developing guys like Humphries/Brown/Sharpe vs Buck Freaking nell
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So OB's great new offense designed around Watson was to neuter his greyhound. That should be OB's epitaph.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What about Terron Armstead of the Saints from Arkansas Pine Bluff vs all those dudes out of Alabama football factory? See this is my issue with you and the blame game, it has no merit. For years under Smith and rather quickly, they identified oline to fit the zone scheme, drafted or signed the players, developed those guys , and was a strength of the team. This time though, with scouts under the recommendation of the head coach and the type of lineman he wanted, yet none of those guys have gotten better. What was the 1st things OBrien said when he got here? We want to be bigger, correct. He wanted bigger guys on the oline. In the draft, XSF was suppose to represent the new guard, the big slow tight end was also. Also , he wanted the existing guys heavier. Smith gave him the kinda of guys he normally wouldn't draft and for some reason, the guys are getting sorrier. Not to mention a mid level free agent from Kansas City who was graded out well got sorry also. Under Kubes/Smith , they did the same thing and the guy played well. Yet, you insist on blaming the same guy. What is the common denominator?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What about Terron Armstead of the Saints from Arkansas Pine Bluff vs all those dudes out of Alabama football factory? See this is my issue with you and the blame game, it has no merit. For years under Smith and rather quickly, they identified oline to fit the zone scheme, drafted or signed the players, developed those guys , and was a strength of the team. This time though, with scouts under the recommendation of the head coach and the type of lineman he wanted, yet none of those guys have gotten better. What was the 1st things OBrien said when he got here? We want to be bigger, correct. He wanted bigger guys on the oline. In the draft, XSF was suppose to represent the new guard, the big slow tight end was also. Also , he wanted the existing guys heavier. Smith gave him the kinda of guys he normally wouldn't draft and for some reason, the guys are getting sorrier. Not to mention a mid level free agent from Kansas City who was graded out well got sorry also. Under Kubes/Smith , they did the same thing and the guy played well. Yet, you insist on blaming the same guy. What is the common denominator?
Armstead who I really like coming out of the combine is the exception to the rule. He had unreal athletic ability coming out of the combine. Comparing Armteads athletic ability to Davenports is laughable.
This all comes down to who's scouts were there. Smith's scouts or were they BOB's scouts? Who was making the calls in the warroom? You know who I think was making those calls and it appears Smith was making the calls since he's no longer here. You think BOB was making the calls. Lets agree to disagree and move on.
I really dont want to keep rehashing this. We've gone over this repeatedly.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Didn't Devlin, who is OB's guy, go work out Davenport? If so wouldn't that be showing it was OB's scouts/coaches and OB making the decision in the war room for Davenport?
Yes, which is why Devlin should've already been fired
But Devlin was hardly alone in the scouting process.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Along with O'Brien for his failure to identify, or care about offensive line talent.
I believe BOB said he coached the players he was given.
Blaming BOB for everything that's gone wrong in personnel looks like scapegoating to me since he was just the HC and the guy over personnel was let go.
Shishkabob
All Pro
but you just admitted it was BOB's guy Devlin that went to personally work out Davenport, so it is pretty easy to assume that both BOB and Devlin were instrumental in the drafting of Davenport. But even without including the failure of the development of players on BOB's side of the ball almost his entire tenure here, I think him retaining Devlin after his multiple years of failures should get him fired. He fired our secondary coach after 1 bad season in which they let his best CB go, why not hold his buddy accountable in the same way?
BOB also said multiple times while Smith was here, that him and Smith both discuss and are involved in player acquisitions
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
The role of the gm is to draft the players who fit the profile the coach sets through the scouts. In your honest opinion, do you think Smith would've drafted a guy like XSF or Fido based on his previous picks? Brandon Brooks was the outlier because he was a big guy who could zone block. I definitely agree with the firing of Devlin.