infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well we will just disagree. Blue is a minimize contact guy. That's not what you want in a FB...
The Sue part was analogy. The point was he hits. He enjoys it. A FB should enjoy hitting
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Well we will just disagree. Blue is a minimize contact guy. That's not what you want in a FB...
The Sue part was analogy. The point was he hits. He enjoys it. A FB should enjoy hitting
Scooter
Funky
The job IS minimal contact. That's the entire point. He's NOT a fullback. We don't have a job for a fullback, if we did this conversation wouldn't have started. However, we need somebody who can pretend in specific situations without wasting a roster spot like Prosch is currently doing. Blue knows where to be well enough to get in the way the few times that our offense requires - not a lead blocker, a "get in the way when you're not pass blocking" in rare situations. Our 195lb receivers motion into tightend position to clip defensive ends, is a runningback and special teamer so afraid of contact that he goes prone at the sight of a linebacker?
Where we disagree is that I think Blue is quite aggressive when it comes to hitting. Sadly he has no vision and usually hits his linemen's backsides.
I'm for doing away with the FB position if they aren'r going to use him. Use a TE or a DL at FB when you need one.
Perhaps that 2nd TE they drafted could be used in a HB role
Sure that's obvious, but why don't the Texans do just that ? Only explanation for me is that like Blue he's an excellent ST player they value quite a bit.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well that is where we disagree. FB & SS are enforcers. Live to hit.
That was his job. Hit and leave a mark.
Well that is where we disagree. FB & SS are enforcers. Live to hit.
That was his job. Hit and leave a mark.
God'ell has made it to where a guy like Harris couldn't play in todays NFL.
I think they view Blue as a solid backup RB/ST's guy.
Asking him to play FB is a little too much for him. IMHO
badboy
Hall of Fame
Miller needs to be used for his true skill set -speed around and receptions. He was vastly underused in the latter (9 yards/catch) and if not used let's move on from him. It would be interesting to see what production is for backs including QB running behind Prosch. We have too many players that we should be developing to allow one guy that appears not to positively impact team to use a roster spot.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not going to tangent.
You can still hit. Polamalu was looking for a hit when Foster shuffled him. That was epic.
I know he was a Cowboy but Emmitt rocked. Just stick a hand out, right hand because he defied rules and one hand carried. Bowling ball. That's what I look for in a RB. Bowling ball.
Ever see him pass block. Little dude was a monster.
I call dumbass Little Dude.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I prefer this..
Vonta Leach makes Jay Prosch look like a giant *****.
Vonta Leach makes Jay Prosch look like a giant *****.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And there you have it. Boy loved to hit. That's not something you teach. You have to love it or you don't.
Texansballer74
The Marine
badboy
Hall of Fame
From Lucky's post #20: "I also think the Texans bring in one more vet QB,either during camp or after cuts, making Webb vulnerable"
My thoughts 1. Possible cut from Steelers: QB Josh Dobbs second year 6'3" 210. Drafted 4th round 2017 from Tennessee. DOB 1-26-1995 (23 YOA). Pitts has Roethlisberger, vet Landry Jones and 2018 3rd rounder Mason Rudolph. Dobbs didn't play his first season NFL. As a Volunteer starter 2016: 13 games 225/357 yds 63%, 2,946 @ 8.3 avg. 27 TDs -12 INTs
Rushing 150/831 yds @ 5.64 avg and 12 TDs. Noted to have quick release.
He was a aerospace engineer major. Cap cost to Houston 2018 $555,000, 2019 $645,000 and 2020 $735,000. Could be third QB with chance to beat out Weeden as the back up.
2. Possible cut if Dobbs sticks in Pitts: Landry Jones 6'4" 225 29 YOA, 2017 NFL 3 games: 23/28 82.1 % @9.3 avg, 1 TD and 1 INT. 2nd year of two at $1.9 million cap cost to Houston. No guaranteed money with 2018 being sixth season with Steelers.
3. Packers QB Brett Hundley drafted 147 in round five by GB in 2015. 6'3" 226 lbs, 25 YOA 2017 NFL.com stats 11 games 192/316 60.8%, 1836 yds @ 5.8 avg, 9 TDs vs 12 INTs. sacked 29/197 yds. Rushing: 36/270 @ 7.5 avg. 2 TDs-2 fumbles. IIRC he had a hammy around week ten. Aaron Rodgers back and team traded for QB DeShon Kiser. Hundley contract: fourth year of 4 : $705,000 to Houston.
My thoughts 1. Possible cut from Steelers: QB Josh Dobbs second year 6'3" 210. Drafted 4th round 2017 from Tennessee. DOB 1-26-1995 (23 YOA). Pitts has Roethlisberger, vet Landry Jones and 2018 3rd rounder Mason Rudolph. Dobbs didn't play his first season NFL. As a Volunteer starter 2016: 13 games 225/357 yds 63%, 2,946 @ 8.3 avg. 27 TDs -12 INTs
Rushing 150/831 yds @ 5.64 avg and 12 TDs. Noted to have quick release.
He was a aerospace engineer major. Cap cost to Houston 2018 $555,000, 2019 $645,000 and 2020 $735,000. Could be third QB with chance to beat out Weeden as the back up.
2. Possible cut if Dobbs sticks in Pitts: Landry Jones 6'4" 225 29 YOA, 2017 NFL 3 games: 23/28 82.1 % @9.3 avg, 1 TD and 1 INT. 2nd year of two at $1.9 million cap cost to Houston. No guaranteed money with 2018 being sixth season with Steelers.
3. Packers QB Brett Hundley drafted 147 in round five by GB in 2015. 6'3" 226 lbs, 25 YOA 2017 NFL.com stats 11 games 192/316 60.8%, 1836 yds @ 5.8 avg, 9 TDs vs 12 INTs. sacked 29/197 yds. Rushing: 36/270 @ 7.5 avg. 2 TDs-2 fumbles. IIRC he had a hammy around week ten. Aaron Rodgers back and team traded for QB DeShon Kiser. Hundley contract: fourth year of 4 : $705,000 to Houston.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I could see the Texans picking up one of these guys end of preseason. Would be better scheme fit than Weeden. Was a big fan of Dobbs coming out.
Only thing I think is OB wants to give DW4 almost all the reps. For a young QB like Dobbs or Hundley they need extra reps to develop as well.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Heard part of the new ST coach Brad Seely's interview on 610 Thursday. He made an important observation about how the changes in special teams rules are impacting roster construction. With the rules eliminating the wedge on kickoffs, those OL/DL that used to play on return units are going to be replaced by smaller faster players.
With that in mind don't be surprised if an extra LB/TE is carried on the roster in favor of an OL/DL. Or even an extra WR/DB.
With that in mind don't be surprised if an extra LB/TE is carried on the roster in favor of an OL/DL. Or even an extra WR/DB.
Yea I remember Hobbs from the Senior Bowl from a couple years ago. Well you know with an Aaerospsce engineering degree the young brother obviously belongs here in Houston.
badboy
Hall of Fame
#4 will get all the snaps he needs with Hopkins, Fuller, Ellington and Coutee,TEs Anderson, Griffin and 3rd rounder Jordan Akins. There will be plenty of snaps for backup QBs with WRs Vyncint Smith, Weah, Sammie Coates, Braxton Miller and Chris Thompson. TEs MyCole Pruitt, 6th rounder Jordan Thomas & some scrubs. We have some good talent on end of bench players & they need snaps to be evaluated. This should include RBs as we need to increase passing snaps for them and backup O'line. This could be a very difficult TC and preseason for coaches to separate goats and sheep.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Leach was the real deal.
I was not happy when he went to Ravens.
If only we could get another one like him.
badboy
Hall of Fame
ObsiWon post in injury thread:
"finding studs to fill out the D-line rotation could reduce wear & tear and maybe make the D stronger overall. Next to rebuilding the O-line, I'd be looking for D-line guys."
My response:
Since we are in very good cap shape, we can use Clowney and Watt as much as health allows them. 1st: I am not using word 'replacement' as if I expect any player taking over if one of these starters go out to be as good.
Christian Covington prior to arm injury:
Also from injury thread:
Heath received several positive notes during season and also on final year of contract. 323 D snaps and 43 ST snaps with 6 starts on the line playing all games.
Brandon Dunn played all 16 games first time in last three season and IIRC he played very well at NT when Reader was moved to DE.
I am a fan of Clemson's Carlos Watkins entering his second season. 328 Dline snaps and 57 ST and I expect him to have a break out season similar to Covington's. As of today, I'm not seeing a need for 2019 picks here.
"finding studs to fill out the D-line rotation could reduce wear & tear and maybe make the D stronger overall. Next to rebuilding the O-line, I'd be looking for D-line guys."
My response:
Since we are in very good cap shape, we can use Clowney and Watt as much as health allows them. 1st: I am not using word 'replacement' as if I expect any player taking over if one of these starters go out to be as good.
Christian Covington prior to arm injury:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-texans-lose-di-christian-covington-for-the-year
Also from injury thread:
This is Covington's final contract year and I expect him to step up even more. He is 24 YOA pick #216 round 6 with a four year total cap of less than $2.4 million. He increased weight to apprx 305 and should be even stronger under new coach.
Heath received several positive notes during season and also on final year of contract. 323 D snaps and 43 ST snaps with 6 starts on the line playing all games.
Brandon Dunn played all 16 games first time in last three season and IIRC he played very well at NT when Reader was moved to DE.
I am a fan of Clemson's Carlos Watkins entering his second season. 328 Dline snaps and 57 ST and I expect him to have a break out season similar to Covington's. As of today, I'm not seeing a need for 2019 picks here.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Houston Texans 53-Man Roster Prediction, Version 2.0
Sean Pendergast | August 13, 2018 | 5:00am
The Texans' annual trip to the Greenbrier is over, and one preseason game and one practice back in Houston are also in the books, so now we have some data off which to work in predicting who exactly makes this Texans team out of training camp.
Evaluating some positions is easier than evaluating others, given the scarce amount of time the Texans have spent in pads. Skill guys, whose position drills and 11-on-11 participation aren't really predicated on contact, are a little easier to evaluate with a layman's eye, so far. Offensive lineman and defensive lineman have had far less "live action" that simulates their real jobs. In fact, I asked head coach Bill O'Brien about that process evaluating the guys in the trenches on Saturday, and here was his answer:
“That’s a great question. I think the big thing in these practices is, obviously, assignments. Let’s make sure they know up front with the shells on, let’s make sure they know what the call is, who’s setting with them, who’s helping them, who are they combo-ing with, all of those different things. Then you’re looking for technique. You can really evaluate technique in these practices, especially coming back to Houston. A little bit hotter than The Greenbrier. How many guys are able to mentally, on every single play, be able to use the proper technique and do it down in and down out on a practice like this. So, there’s a lot to evaluate there, but it’s definitely different than if they had pads on.”
Things should amp up this week, with the 49ers coming to town for a couple days of inter-squad practices, and then the second game of the preseason on Saturday at NRG Stadium. For now, let's go off of what we have, and put together a 53-man roster. Here we go...
THE VETERAN and DRAFT PICK LOCKS
QUARTERBACK (3): Deshaun Watson, Brandon Weeden, Joe Webb
I'm making this call earlier than I thought I might, but I feel it's a certainty that, barring injury, Weeden will be the backup and Webb will be the third quarterback, while minoring in special teams and maybe a trick play or two. Both backups looked solid in the win over the Chiefs last Thursday. The fourth QB in camp, Stephen Morris, may as well be a JUGS machine at this point.
RUNNING BACK (2): Lamar Miller, D'Onta Foreman
I'm still forecasting Foreman to be on the 53-man roster and not the PUP to start the season, but that may change on the third version of the roster prediction next week. Miller has dropped weight and looks sleeker than his first two seasons. It was good to see him bust off a 19-yard run in that Chiefs game.
WIDE RECEIVER (4): DeAndre Hopkins, Will Fuller, Keke Coutee, Bruce Ellington
Same group as the first version of the 53-man roster. Coutee has been sidelined with a hamstring injury, which is disappointing, and that's given other guys a chance to step into the breach at slot receiver. More on that in a minute....
TIGHT END (3): Ryan Griffin, Jordan Akins, Jordan Thomas
O'Brien says that tight end is the second hardest position to learn in his offense, behind quarterback. Interesting how prominently two rookies will figure into that position group.
OFFENSIVE LINE (7): Zach Fulton, Senio Kelemete, Nick Martin, Julien Davenport, Seantrel Henderson, Greg Mancz, Martinas Rankin
Like Foreman, if Rankin is still languishing with that foot injury in a week or two, the calculus changes on Version 3.0 of this prediction.
THE REST OF THE STORY
Sean Pendergast | August 13, 2018 | 5:00am
The Texans' annual trip to the Greenbrier is over, and one preseason game and one practice back in Houston are also in the books, so now we have some data off which to work in predicting who exactly makes this Texans team out of training camp.
Evaluating some positions is easier than evaluating others, given the scarce amount of time the Texans have spent in pads. Skill guys, whose position drills and 11-on-11 participation aren't really predicated on contact, are a little easier to evaluate with a layman's eye, so far. Offensive lineman and defensive lineman have had far less "live action" that simulates their real jobs. In fact, I asked head coach Bill O'Brien about that process evaluating the guys in the trenches on Saturday, and here was his answer:
“That’s a great question. I think the big thing in these practices is, obviously, assignments. Let’s make sure they know up front with the shells on, let’s make sure they know what the call is, who’s setting with them, who’s helping them, who are they combo-ing with, all of those different things. Then you’re looking for technique. You can really evaluate technique in these practices, especially coming back to Houston. A little bit hotter than The Greenbrier. How many guys are able to mentally, on every single play, be able to use the proper technique and do it down in and down out on a practice like this. So, there’s a lot to evaluate there, but it’s definitely different than if they had pads on.”
Things should amp up this week, with the 49ers coming to town for a couple days of inter-squad practices, and then the second game of the preseason on Saturday at NRG Stadium. For now, let's go off of what we have, and put together a 53-man roster. Here we go...
THE VETERAN and DRAFT PICK LOCKS
QUARTERBACK (3): Deshaun Watson, Brandon Weeden, Joe Webb
I'm making this call earlier than I thought I might, but I feel it's a certainty that, barring injury, Weeden will be the backup and Webb will be the third quarterback, while minoring in special teams and maybe a trick play or two. Both backups looked solid in the win over the Chiefs last Thursday. The fourth QB in camp, Stephen Morris, may as well be a JUGS machine at this point.
RUNNING BACK (2): Lamar Miller, D'Onta Foreman
I'm still forecasting Foreman to be on the 53-man roster and not the PUP to start the season, but that may change on the third version of the roster prediction next week. Miller has dropped weight and looks sleeker than his first two seasons. It was good to see him bust off a 19-yard run in that Chiefs game.
WIDE RECEIVER (4): DeAndre Hopkins, Will Fuller, Keke Coutee, Bruce Ellington
Same group as the first version of the 53-man roster. Coutee has been sidelined with a hamstring injury, which is disappointing, and that's given other guys a chance to step into the breach at slot receiver. More on that in a minute....
TIGHT END (3): Ryan Griffin, Jordan Akins, Jordan Thomas
O'Brien says that tight end is the second hardest position to learn in his offense, behind quarterback. Interesting how prominently two rookies will figure into that position group.
OFFENSIVE LINE (7): Zach Fulton, Senio Kelemete, Nick Martin, Julien Davenport, Seantrel Henderson, Greg Mancz, Martinas Rankin
Like Foreman, if Rankin is still languishing with that foot injury in a week or two, the calculus changes on Version 3.0 of this prediction.
THE REST OF THE STORY
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I don't disagree strongly, but I take exception on several candidates. We carry 3 QB's, the 3 W's who played Thursday. We keep Pope at RB and find a way to put Foreman on IR. Lengel becomes the 3rd TE with Thomas going to the practice squad. and Anderson gets chopped. Dee Virgin is history, and not because of the feminine sound of his names.
On the bubble are Watkins, Weah, Moore, and Decoud.
On the bubble are Watkins, Weah, Moore, and Decoud.
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I think they carry 4 TE's and no FB. Doubtful Ervin makes the team. 6 WR's and 2 QB's. Foreman IR'ed and a vet RB traded for or a WW pickup. Thorton I believe is the CB that makes the team. No way Virgin makes the team, even if replaced by WW pickup.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
If Prosch doesn’t make the team I will be shocked.
I agree, that's just wishful thinking on my part. Ricky did just re-sign Prosch.
Whether Prosch should make the team is another subject. What value does he really add? It's not like he's a Leach like blocker. He doesn't catch the ball particularly well. His ST's value is easily replaceable.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I think the term “Special Teams value” is overrated for previous Texans players. That’s usually the reason people say Prosch/Blue have made he team in the past. But the ST is usually among the worst in the league. New coaching/personnel has been added. Time to displace the incumbents!
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I think Prosch is the best FB we have. I don’t think there’s anyone else that we could put in the game that is going to do a better job right now.
That said he’s also an emergency rb, and apparently they like what he does on special teams.
He may not be an eye popper but as far as value to the team I think his role is justified.
And you have to think about it like this: The Texans could easily over the last few years have activated an extra corner or wr or whatever on gamedays over Prosch. But apparently they like what he brings enough to have him always active on gamedays.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Whoever they end up going with there will be a couple mistakes that come back to bite them in the ass.
Pope may be one of them? After Foreman dropoff is Blue. Decent running depth is not to be overlooked with a QB like Watson who could easily become exposed and overworked.
Pope may be one of them? After Foreman dropoff is Blue. Decent running depth is not to be overlooked with a QB like Watson who could easily become exposed and overworked.
I agree with you, this is how I think BOB thinks.
I disagree with his thought process, not that what I think matters.
A blocking TE is more valuable than Prosch. IMHO
You could put a DT as a short ydge fullback like the Pats used to do.
I still think they are going to trade or WW pickup another RB. Miller/Pope/WW pickup should be the RB's until/if Foreman can make it back.
Texansballer74
The Marine
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Doesn't that move tip off the defense as to what's coming? Yeah, I know, if it's short yardage, the defense should already expect a dive play. But having a FB in the package leaves the whole I-formation part of the playbook available.
I guess I don't like tipping off plays/limiting offensive options any more than necessary.
And one of the TEs they drafted should have been a blocking guy whether Prosche stays or goes.
Didn't seem to work that way for the Pats
Or this
I don't really remember them doing this last year. I remember them running that formation in the playoffs a couple of times ....over the years.
And the current Pats roster has the same number of FBs that we do. And according to this site, the Pats picked up their FB back in 2012. So they carry a FB and have for a while.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
The Redskins released veteran CB Orlando Scandrick. I heard he's meeting with the Chiefs. Does he have a visit with Houston lined up? Our secondary depth isn't that great is it? We gave up a few big passing plays in that first preseason game.
I'd be much more interested in Eric Reid than Scandrick. I know the Texans have quite a few safeties, but the trio of Honey Badger and the Reid brothers would be fantastic. I'm doubtful that Scandrick would substantially improve CB depth or that he'd even make the team.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The only CB on the market that would play meaningful snaps barring injury is Breeland. The team isn’t going to add another body there unless they can contribute on ST like Bademosi.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Our pass coverage was as full of holes as a pound of Swiss cheese. Shows that we don't have much backing up the starters.
Good thing is the safeties have experience playing CB. So there's more depth there than meets the eye.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah, the Texans backfield reminds me of the Astros infield..there's a lot of versitile players that you can play at multiple positions defensively.
gs27
Veteran
Yep, with the rule changes and the game evolving to more passing than rushing I think the modern safety is essentially a "smart" corner who can form tackle. The faster teams get on board with that concept the better. The role of the enforcer is gone, IMO.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It would be a hope that he could. However, you still want to have a blocking TE that can pose some threat to catch a pass. He had extremely limited opportunity in college to receive passes.............and very little experience in total in the NFL. The other thing you have to hope for is that he does not suffer another ACL. Hist 2012 and 2013 seasons were essentially wiped out as he rupture his right ACL the beginning of both seasons. This leaves his left ACL, if not his lower extremities in general, raw meat for the injury gods.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Jordan Thomas? You must be talking about different player? He played two seasons JUCO then two at Miss St. 2017 Miss St 22/263 @ 12 yards per. 13 games with 5 starts & 3 TDs
2016 he played little but not due to any injury I can find & was his first year at Miss St after transferring from JUCO.
2015: 7 games at East Central CC he caught 16 for 207 yards 3 TDs as a freshman in 2014 he caught 16 for 138
He doesn't have a large body of work but 2017 shows he can pose some threat. At 6'5" 265 ish he has build to block and should be teachable.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I was speaking of Mathew Lengel, who was specifically brought in for his blocking ability. I shouldn't have responded to your original post..............it was more to Obsiwan's suggestion that we didn't need a FB, just a blg blocking TE. Sorry for causing the confussion.