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Are we happy?

Are you happy?

  • We got our QB, Damm right I am happy

    Votes: 32 47.1%

  • I can't be happy after seeing Watt go down like this.

    Votes: 6 8.8%

  • I am feeling bipolar right now

    Votes: 30 44.1%
  • Total voters
    68
PigskinTiger said:
100% agree. Maybe my wording was wrong. I'll say it like this, if we hold on against NE then it has a small effect on easing the sting of the injuries.
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I am not saying you are wrong, but for me New England has nothing to do with my wanting to jump off a cliff. It's more about JJ and Merci during the KC game. Had we still lost that game but walked away with a healthy JJ and Merci i would be way more optimistic about winning the division and in general.
 
banned1976 said:
Can you imagine if the Texans had a chance to draft Carson Wentz or Watson? There would be a great gnashing of teeth for Smith to be fired.

The Browns have had 2 winning records since 1999, when they got their team back. They haven't had a reliable QB since Bernie Kosar back in the mid 80's/early 90's. They had the GOAT HC and let him wander off, just a year removed from a 11-5 record.

If I were a Browns fan I'd have no hope for the future, regardless of the amount of picks.
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These Brown's never had the GOAT as their HC, those Brown's are now the Baltimore Ravens.

These Brown's are a failed expansion team. This may be their reboot. If Hue Jackson isn't fired before January 1, I'm going to assume this is part of their plan, that expectations for winning wasn't in the plans for year two.

They look like they're scrapping the whole thing & starting from zero.
 
I've been waiting 15 years for the Houston Texans to draft a franchise quarterback. If only that entire David Carr thing had worked out back in 2002! So I feel excited knowing we have a 22-year-old franchise quarterback that already looks good and he's only going to improve in future years. We may actually win a Super Bowl or two, or three or four (I'll be greedy), during the Deshaun Watson era.
 
For me...I'm wondering when the script will finally change. No offense and the team has outstanding defenses which carry the team. Team suddenly has a nasty offense and the defense gets blown up with injuries. ST's...heck, they've been the proverbial gorilla in the room for the last 10 seasons...just don't know how I would react if the Texans suddenly had a top ST's unit....uhhhh, yes I do, hope and pray that the cup boards have quality depth on both the offensive and defensive sides of ball.

When several poster(s), like myself point out how RS has failed so badly at nailing his RD4 - RD7 picks it's for this very reason that ST's has suffered so badly from a talent standpoint. When this is applied to a 5+ year run, it even becomes more evident as to why the Texans ST's unit is always percived as one of the worst units in football. A majority of those late round picks will cut their teeth on ST's as they learn their NFL position, which means the late round failures fall at RS's or his scouting staff's feet. This also plays into the fact that the team has a horrible time filling the holes left in the event of multiple injuries.

RS will never be viewed as a competent GM when he misses in the draft, finds a few unexpected gems during the UDFA period, and misses more than he hits in regards to the team's or league available URFA's. If RS can fix the depth issues...he could finally rewrite his history in a way that illustrates the effectiveness of a 3-Cylinder Engine when properly timed....maybe even get to the point where a turbo could be added to improve effeciecency and performance.
 
adama51 said:
In hindsight, That may have been the dumbest question I ever asked.

I don't know why I asked it in the first place. Like I don't know how a damn draft works lol. Any flak I get is well deserved.
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The preferred method of getting good questions answered around here isn't to ask, but rather to give a cock-sure take on the subject in question, then get bludgeoned into submission with the correct answer in drawn-out correspondence with half a dozen people ganging up on you only to be called a dumbass either way.
 
Max said:
The preferred method of getting good questions answered around here isn't to ask, but rather to give a cock-sure take on the subject in question, then get bludgeoned into submission with the correct answer in drawn-out correspondence with half a dozen people ganging up on you only to be called a dumbass either way.
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You could probably use that for any forum on the internet too
 
I'm not going to commit to happiness because commitment really bums me out.

Thorn said:
I have no doubt at all that Watson is a fantastic QB, and will end up being the best QB in Houston's pro-football history.
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You know, I was thinking about this, and which QBs this town has had in the past. That's what, only 2 elite quarterbacks in 57-years? Warren Moon & George Blanda? It could be argued that Blanda wasn't even elite, or if he was, it was only for a short time. Take your pick, one or two upper echelon signal callers in 57-years is pretty bad.

So, yeah, Watson's arrow is certainly pointing up. I mean, it had better, because we've had only poor to mediocre QBs since Moon left in 1993. That's another long stretch.

I'm happy, only I'm not committed to it.
 
EVOLVIST said:
I'm not going to commit to happiness because commitment really bums me out.



You know, I was thinking about this, and which QBs this town has had in the past. That's what, only 2 elite quarterbacks in 57-years? Warren Moon & George Blanda? It could be argued that Blanda wasn't even elite, or if he was, it was only for a short time. Take your pick, one or two upper echelon signal callers in 57-years is pretty bad.

So, yeah, Watson's arrow is certainly pointing up. I mean, it had better, because we've had only poor to mediocre QBs since Moon left in 1993. That's another long stretch.

I'm happy, only I'm not committed to it.
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Blanda was OK his first 3 years - won the first 2 AFL Championships, lost another. After that, he fell off a cliff, started getting booed, threw a lot of INTs...

Pastorini was OK for a period. Lot of ups and downs in his career. Life as a QB in Houston is never easy...

I think most people know Schaub's story. (eheh, rhymes with sob story)

Don't forget Steve McNair, though I think his best years were as a Titan....

IMHO, it is Warren Moon and Warren Moon alone. That should be Watson's bar - have a better career than Moon....
 
EVOLVIST said:
I'm not going to commit to happiness because commitment really bums me out.



You know, I was thinking about this, and which QBs this town has had in the past. That's what, only 2 elite quarterbacks in 57-years? Warren Moon & George Blanda? It could be argued that Blanda wasn't even elite, or if he was, it was only for a short time. Take your pick, one or two upper echelon signal callers in 57-years is pretty bad.

So, yeah, Watson's arrow is certainly pointing up. I mean, it had better, because we've had only poor to mediocre QBs since Moon left in 1993. That's another long stretch.

I'm happy, only I'm not committed to it.
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What about Steve McNair? Oh wait...

(edit because i sent too soon)
 
banned1976 said:
The thing about the Browns, they could have the first 2 picks in every round and still figure out a way to screw it all up. Hue Jackson's record with Cleveland is 1-20. People were upset here at O'Brien that Watson didn't start the year but compared to Hue he handled the QB position brilliantly. Cleveland has already decided to bench Kizer. Kevin Hogan will start against the Texans.
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Well, it helps OB when Watson is throwing 4-5 TDs in two straight games while Kizer has 9 interceptions. I see your point though, you really don’t want to be in the position of pulling your rookie QB early in their career.
 
Arky said:
IMHO, it is Warren Moon and Warren Moon alone. That should be Watson's bar - have a better career than Moon....
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Right. That was really my point. Only Warren Moon in 57-years.

Blanda was at an Otto Graham level for only a short time (comparing similar eras). Steve McNair was just getting his feet wet in Houston before the move. Even at that, was McNair ever "elite?" I don't think so. A top-10 QB at one time, sure.

Pastorini, compared to his peers, e.g. Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Bob Griese, Staubach, etc., Pastorini was a scrub with his 103-161 TD-INT ratio, and career passer rating of 59.1. He gets a nod in this town in hindsight, only because he was the QB on a team that had a wicked defense (though not as good as the Steel Curtain) and a HOF running back. History has been kind to him.

Ken Stabler was already washed up when he got here, and would show up to games hungover from drinking all night at the old Shamrock Hilton the night before games (rest his soul).

Matt Schuab? I'm not going to be a revisionist; Matt was pretty damn good. He probably cracked the top-10 a couple of times, and he was certainly better than Cody Carlson, Bucky Richardson, Billy Joe Tolliver, Pastorini and Stabler.

So, yeah, Warren Moon. To have a better career than Warren Moon, Watson would need to take this town the promised land.

Actually, under the premise of "on a long enough timeline anything can happen," time is ever increasingly on our side. :wheel:

(Somewhere out there is a hundred monkeys on typewriters working on Shakespeare.)
 
EVOLVIST said:
Right. That was really my point. Only Warren Moon in 57-years.

Blanda was at an Otto Graham level for only a short time (comparing similar eras). Steve McNair was just getting his feet wet in Houston before the move. Even at that, was McNair ever "elite?" I don't think so. A top-10 QB at one time, sure.

Pastorini, compared to his peers, e.g. Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Bob Griese, Staubach, etc., Pastorini was a scrub with his 103-161 TD-INT ratio, and career passer rating of 59.1. He gets a nod in this town in hindsight, only because he was the QB on a team that had a wicked defense (though not as good as the Steel Curtain) and a HOF running back. History has been kind to him.

Ken Stabler was already washed up when he got here, and would show up to games hungover from drinking all night at the old Shamrock Hilton the night before games (rest his soul).

Matt Schuab? I'm not going to be a revisionist; Matt was pretty damn good. He probably cracked the top-10 a couple of times, and he was certainly better than Cody Carlson, Bucky Richardson, Billy Joe Tolliver, Pastorini and Stabler.

So, yeah, Warren Moon. To have a better career than Warren Moon, Watson would need to take this town the promised land.

Actually, under the premise of "on a long enough timeline anything can happen," time is ever increasingly on our side. :wheel:

(Somewhere out there is a hundred monkeys on typewriters working on Shakespeare.)
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First time I've ever heard Blanda compared with Otto Graham. :)

Stabler at the Shamrock Hilton? That must've been on Saturday nights because the rest of the week he was running around Clear Lake.

Schaub just never did it for me. Not bad in the regular season but when the lights came on, he disappeared ......

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To answer the OP's question, yes, very encouraged about the start to Watson's career. That's some tough luck for Merci and Watt but something I have no control over so I don't let it bum me out....
 
Arky said:
First time I've ever heard Blanda compared with Otto Graham. :)
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Well, Blanda, in the early '60's was what Graham was to the '50s, was what Sammy Baugh was to the '40s: All early air barons. It's not that Blanda had such long and illustrious careers like Graham and Baugh; it's that Blanda's meteoric career at QB epitomized the high-flying aerial exhibits of the AFL, paving the road to mimicry in the NFL, and eventual the merger. It's what Graham did AAFC.

I wouldn't dare say that Blanda could even hold Otto Graham's jockstrap. In fact, I've long contended (it's speculation of course) that if there was any one QB from the 1940s-1950s that could play in today's NFL, it would be Graham. It's only that there are parallels between Graham and Blanda in what they did for their respective upstart leagues.

Arky said:
Stabler at the Shamrock Hilton? That must've been on Saturday nights because the rest of the week he was running around Clear Lake.
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Saturday nights, yes. It was the only way that a player could break curfew before a game...and not just any player; it was known that a blind eye was cast in regards to Stabler's pre-game rituals.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Well, Blanda, in the early '60's was what Graham was to the '50s, was what Sammy Baugh was to the '40s: All early air barons. It's not that Blanda had such long and illustrious careers like Graham and Baugh; it's that Blanda's meteoric career at QB epitomized the high-flying aerial exhibits of the AFL, paving the road to mimicry in the NFL, and eventual the merger. It's what Graham did AAFC.

I wouldn't dare say that Blanda could even hold Otto Graham's jockstrap. In fact, I've long contended (it's speculation of course) that if there was any one QB from the 1940s-1950s that could play in today's NFL, it would be Graham. It's only that there are parallels between Graham and Blanda in what they did for their respective upstart leagues.
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Well, I think we disagree on Blanda's value - I would take Dawson, Hadl, Lamonica and Kemp over Blanda - probably someone else I am leaving out... Yep, the old AFL was a lot more fun to watch than the boring, grind-it-out NFL

At any rate, I do think we agree that Warren Moon is probably the best pro QB that Houston has ever seen.... :)
 
Arky said:
Well, I think we disagree on Blanda's value - I would take Dawson, Hadl, Lamonica and Kemp over Blanda - probably someone else I am leaving out... Yep, the old AFL was a lot more fun to watch than the boring, grind-it-out NFL

At any rate, I do think we agree that Warren Moon is probably the best pro QB that Houston has ever seen.... :)
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Blanda was 33 in 1960, the AFLs first year. He was 40 in 1967 when the Oilers released him. I think time caught up to him more than anything. After that he was signed by the Raiders as a place kicker. The Oilers brought him out of retirement when they signed him in 1960. He began his career with the Bears. He retired because George Halas only wanted to use him as a kicker. At this point in time, the NFL had evolved and passed Halas by and some think he had lost the interest he had earlier. The point I am making is we only have a snapshot of what Blanda was as a QB in the later years of his career. If he had gotten a chance to start playing QB when he was younger, the conversation of where he ranks as an all-time QB list could be completely different.
 
I’m happy with the QB situation, which is a huge driver in my overall happiness with the team and my enjoyment in watching them play.

Given it’s only game 5-6 for Watson right now, I’m trying to temper my expectations of him. He’s due for a run of mistakes. Combine that with the injuries, the reliance on rookie LBers going down the stretch, and the OL, and a 6-5 record in our remaining schedule looks somewhat optimistic. That would put us at 9-7.

I’m happy though. Like others have said, the QB is the toughest part to find. It’s a lot more enjoyable for me to watch him learn the NFL and for us to learn who on this roster is going to join him over the next 10 years, than in years past where I always knew the biggest piece was missing.

Another reason I am happy, I’ll give the credit to Rick Smith and company, is due to the two rookie ILBers. Cunningham and to an extent Cole are playing very well for rookies and will be a huge part of keeping the defense respectable for the remainder of the year. Barring injury, the two will make it very easy to move on from Cushing at the end of the year and free up a lot of cap room. It was a good time to find a few LBers and they did it in the offseason. Great work there.
 
Thorn said:
I have no doubt at all that Watson is a fantastic QB, and will end up being the best QB in Houston's pro-football history. But, Andrew Luck was also super good and look what happened to that poor bastard. Just because Watson may be a gift from the football gods doesn't mean he'll take us all the way. I hope he does. He certainly seems so far to have the right stuff.
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Judas Priest! I pray the Texans never do to Watson what the "Dolts" have done to Luck! That's just criminal!

Got to get that O-line fixed!
 
Max said:
The preferred method of getting good questions answered around here isn't to ask, but rather to give a cock-sure take on the subject in question, then get bludgeoned into submission with the correct answer in drawn-out correspondence with half a dozen people ganging up on you only to be called a dumbass either way.
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:spit:

I'm pretty sure you just quoted this forum's Mission Statement.

I'd put your quote in my sig if I had more room. Made me actually laugh. . .well, chuckle, really. . .out loud. :goodpost:
 
Texas Jake said:
Blanda was 33 in 1960, the AFLs first year. He was 40 in 1967 when the Oilers released him. I think time caught up to him more than anything. After that he was signed by the Raiders as a place kicker. The Oilers brought him out of retirement when they signed him in 1960. He began his career with the Bears. He retired because George Halas only wanted to use him as a kicker. At this point in time, the NFL had evolved and passed Halas by and some think he had lost the interest he had earlier. The point I am making is we only have a snapshot of what Blanda was as a QB in the later years of his career. If he had gotten a chance to start playing QB when he was younger, the conversation of where he ranks as an all-time QB list could be completely different.
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Alls I know was the Blanda I saw from '63 onward was very unpopular. A 3-and-out machine who complemented that with INTs. My uncle despised him. (My uncle was a "hater" before that word became associated with sports).

I will say he went on to have a pretty good career with the Raiders after as their kicker and even filled in admirably for a brief time at QB when all their other QB's went down.

OK, that's all I got.

/derail
 
adama51 said:
Man, this thread got derailed bad
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Or derailed good. It's really nothing. That's how conversations go. They evolve.

I think for some of us, you can't talk about getting a franchise QB in this town without stating that we haven't had one since 1993. That's 24-years for god's sake! That's perspective on Watson. The closest we've had to a rookie QB with any kind of moxie was Steve McNair, but McNair only started 4 games his rookie year, and 9 games his sophomore year, before becoming the full time starter in Tennessee.

So, really, this city has never had a drafted rookie QB with any sand, going back all the way to 1960.

I take that back, we had Jim Kelly in 1984-85...but it wasn't an NFL team, and half of the city didn't care. The Gamblers practiced in Braeburn Park for ****'s sake (or somewhere around there. I used to play baseball in an adjoining field, while they practiced).

By the time we got Moon, he was a known commodity: a vet, albeit in Canada, though most people knew of his collegiate career.

The coming of Deshaun Watson is something totally new for this city. This is history.
 
Watson looks like a budding superstar whos got ice water in his veins. He also seems to be a stand up guy in the community.

This season may just be a dress rehearsal for the success we'll have in future years but yeah - we finally got our quarterback - im stoked.
 
Looking forward to commercials Watson could get. Would I be bad if I think of him running thru airport jumping over luggage? He should get Gallery Furniture, a shoe company, auto plus an ad for AFLACK.
 
Max said:
The preferred method of getting good questions answered around here isn't to ask, but rather to give a cock-sure take on the subject in question, then get bludgeoned into submission with the correct answer in drawn-out correspondence with half a dozen people ganging up on you only to be called a dumbass either way.
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You're a really fart smeller...I mean smart feller for a dumbass either way!!! :tiphat:







:sarcasm: just so you slow ones understand...you know who you are...I think... :D
 
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badboy said:
Looking forward to commercials Watson could get. Would I be bad if I think of him running thru airport jumping over luggage? He should get Gallery Furniture, a shoe company, auto plus an ad for AFLACK.
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You know he's going to get the Papa John's commercial. lol
 
EVOLVIST said:
Right. That was really my point. Only Warren Moon in 57-years.

Blanda was at an Otto Graham level for only a short time (comparing similar eras). Steve McNair was just getting his feet wet in Houston before the move. Even at that, was McNair ever "elite?" I don't think so. A top-10 QB at one time, sure.

Pastorini, compared to his peers, e.g. Kenny Anderson, Dan Fouts, Bob Griese, Staubach, etc., Pastorini was a scrub with his 103-161 TD-INT ratio, and career passer rating of 59.1. He gets a nod in this town in hindsight, only because he was the QB on a team that had a wicked defense (though not as good as the Steel Curtain) and a HOF running back. History has been kind to him.

Ken Stabler was already washed up when he got here, and would show up to games hungover from drinking all night at the old Shamrock Hilton the night before games (rest his soul).

Matt Schuab? I'm not going to be a revisionist; Matt was pretty damn good. He probably cracked the top-10 a couple of times, and he was certainly better than Cody Carlson, Bucky Richardson, Billy Joe Tolliver, Pastorini and Stabler.

So, yeah, Warren Moon. To have a better career than Warren Moon, Watson would need to take this town the promised land.

Actually, under the premise of "on a long enough timeline anything can happen," time is ever increasingly on our side. :wheel:

(Somewhere out there is a hundred monkeys on typewriters working on Shakespeare.)
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Meh...if Watson is our Franchise QB I don't want him setting his sights as low as Moon or any other QB in Houston NFL history. He needs to be aiming for Brady, P. Manning, Joe Montana, etc. If he's going to be all that, then aim high. From what I've seen in a very small sample size, he appears to have the mental and physical tools to be an exceptional NFL QB. The big question is can he keep playing like this after teams have some tape on him. Signs are pointing up.
 
DocBar said:
Meh...if Watson is our Franchise QB I don't want him setting his sights as low as Moon or any other QB in Houston NFL history. He needs to be aiming for Brady, P. Manning, Joe Montana, etc. If he's going to be all that, then aim high. From what I've seen in a very small sample size, he appears to have the mental and physical tools to be an exceptional NFL QB. The big question is can he keep playing like this after teams have some tape on him. Signs are pointing up.
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DocBar Watson set his bar up there with the Goat Tom Brady. lol
 
DocBar said:
I was referring to where a member thought it should be. lol
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Who, me? The very quote of mine has me stating: "So, yeah, Warren Moon. To have a better career than Warren Moon, Watson would need to take this town the promised land."

In case you missed it, I'm not talking about Israel here; I'm talking the Super Bowl and winning it.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Who, me? The very quote of mine has me stating: "So, yeah, Warren Moon. To have a better career than Warren Moon, Watson would need to take this town the promised land."

In case you missed it, I'm not talking about Israel here; I'm talking the Super Bowl and winning it.
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Just because I enjoy being argumentative, wouldn't Watson merely have to reach the AFCCG to have a better career than Moon had? :D
 
DocBar said:
Just because I enjoy being argumentative, wouldn't Watson merely have to reach the AFCCG to have a better career than Moon had? :D
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How did Ricky Bobby's daddy put it....if you ain't first, your last! I would really like to see Watson shoot for Moon's numbers and if he could grab a SB along the way....then he'd truly be first.
 
To the OP....I would be happier if O'Brien would get Foreman the majority of carries going forward. He's a big back and they generally do better the more touches they get. On a side note...wish he would've turned that 29 yard run inside (slightly) so he possibly gets his first NFL TD.
 
I am extremely happy about the future. The cherry on the cake would be, the Texans making some serious unexpectedly noise in the playoff's.
 
dream_team said:
So just getting farther in playoffs means you had a better career? So guys like Kaepernick, Grossman, Dilfer all had better careers than Moon?
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No, but regardless of individual accomplishments, team success does play a role in how successful a QB can appear.

Dan Marino. In the HoF. Yet he is always referred to as the greatest QB to never win a Super Bowl.
 
sandman said:
No, but regardless of individual accomplishments, team success does play a role in how successful a QB can appear.

Dan Marino. In the HoF. Yet he is always referred to as the greatest QB to never win a Super Bowl.
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Dan Marino had everything but a running game...wonder how a young Earl Campbell might have helped re-write his NFL story?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Dan Marino had everything but a running game...wonder how a young Earl Campbell might have helped re-write his NFL story?
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Earl once said that he'd trade his HoF career for a championship ring. I'd bet Marino probably feels the same way.

HoF represents how they played the game, but a championship is why they played the game.
 
dream_team said:
So just getting farther in playoffs means you had a better career? So guys like Kaepernick, Grossman, Dilfer all had better careers than Moon?
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It's not just that a Moon team didn't make a AFCCG.

It's that he contributed to losing large 2nd half leads in the playoffs 3 yrs in a row. Including Buffalo when the Oilers had the most talented team in the AFC. That shows a lack of leadership from your HOF QB.
 
steelbtexan said:
It's not just that a Moon team didn't make a AFCCG.

It's that he contributed to losing large 2nd half leads in the playoffs 3 yrs in a row. Including Buffalo when the Oilers had the most talented team in the AFC. That shows a lack of leadership from your HOF QB.
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So if they had skinched that game out 38-37 would his leadership have been better?
 
infantrycak said:
So if they had skinched that game out 38-37 would his leadership have been better?
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Nope,

But 3 yrs in a row?

Sean Jones said Moon wasn't close with his teammates and it showed when things got tight in the playoffs. I guess Moon spent most of his time at the gentlemens clubs.
 
infantrycak said:
I certainly defer to a Houston fan of that era on that kind of detail. Not being tight with your team in some fashion will bite you. You like to say Dungy isn't that good. I always wonder if Manning wasn't a bit of a dick.
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Manning was reportedly the team jokester. I've seen several TV segments detailing his practical jokes.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nope,

But 3 yrs in a row?

Sean Jones said Moon wasn't close with his teammates and it showed when things got tight in the playoffs. I guess Moon spent most of his time at the gentlemens clubs.
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Those teams were dysfunctional anyway. If you watch the NFL Network show on the 93 season you heard about how bad it really was.
 
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