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Romo is retiring what now?

Scooter said:
It was absolutely the wrong move. We gave up an asset to give up an asset to hopefully receive a 37 year old player who by our own CND said had zero chance of surviving a single season ... and we'd be paying him a buttload of money. Cap space is easy, 2nd round picks are not. We lost a crappy but capable backup, with nothing else on the roster, and paid for the privilege. NOTHING about this situation was wise, or was even in the vicinity of common sense.
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I didn't say going after Romo was the right move. They could have used that cap space in a variety of different ways, but chose not to. That's on the FO for sitting pat on Romo.

And for what it's worth, I'm absolutely down on Smith's ability to find late 2nd round talent. I have a feeling that once again we'll eke our way into the playoffs and end up picking in the twenties. We're not risking a near 1st rounder next year.
 
WolverineFan said:
It absolutely can be the wrong move. They clearly aren't using the cap space it freed up so they could have just cut him instead and saved the pick.
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Yeah, that's where I think it was poor execution. That cap space could/should have been used pro-actively rather than waiting on Romo.
 
htownfan32 said:
I didn't say going after Romo was the right move. They could have used that cap space in a variety of different ways, but chose not to. That's on the FO for sitting pat on Romo.
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Again, cap space is easy, 2nd round picks are not. We could've gone full retard and had both Oz and Romo on the roster if needed (because cap space is easy). The reason cap is easy? We spend a buttload of money scouting 1-3rd picks - 1st round is Canseco swinging for the fence, second round is where we hope to have Biggio - a leadoff double that could turn into more. Those future stars cost next to nothing - and allow us to build wisely. Or not if we are so upside down that we sell our starting quarterback.
 
At this point we should just go get Jay Cutler. Beyond him IDK if anyone else is serviceable...Christian Ponder? Blaine Gabbert? Josh Freeman? Shaun Hill?

Lobster made us realize as long as we have a QB who doesn't throw the ball away and can manage a game, with our D we will be just fine.
 
Scooter said:
Again, cap space is easy, 2nd round picks are not. We could've gone full retard and had both Oz and Romo on the roster if needed (because cap space is easy). The reason cap is easy? We spend a buttload of money scouting 1-3rd picks - 1st round is Canseco swinging for the fence, second round is where we hope to have Biggio - a leadoff double that could turn into more. Those future stars cost next to nothing - and allow us to build wisely. Or not if we are so upside down that we sell our starting quarterback.
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I agree that building through the draft is the right way to go. I don't think this is an unmitigated disaster, losing next year's 2nd (it's not great, obviously) but I'm just saying I can see a logical side to what the FO thought they were doing with the Cleveland trade. That logic totally falls apart with their following actions, and that's not really defensible. There were some holes we could have plugged with that money but we stood pat and now we're not only down a 2nd (which is your point) but have nothing to show for it (my point).

From both directions we can agree it's just a lose-lose.
 
htownfan32 said:
That logic totally falls apart with their following actions, and that's not really defensible.
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The logic is broken from the get-go, BUT since everyone has their own opinions I'll respect yours in that the trade would have paved way for a favorable outcome in your eyes.


HOWEVER!!! How stupid do you have to be to execute such a trade without all the pieces in place?
 
htownfan32 said:
Yeah, that's where I think it was poor execution. That cap space could/should have been used pro-actively rather than waiting on Romo.
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The entire thing was poor execution because it's clear that Romo was the end game all along.


htownfan32 said:
I agree that building through the draft is the right way to go. I don't think this is an unmitigated disaster, losing next year's 2nd (it's not great, obviously) but I'm just saying I can see a logical side to what the FO thought they were doing with the Cleveland trade. That logic totally falls apart with their following actions, and that's not really defensible. There were some holes we could have plugged with that money but we stood pat and now we're not only down a 2nd (which is your point) but have nothing to show for it (my point).

From both directions we can agree it's just a lose-lose.
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You're not seeing the big picture here. They didn't make the move and then botch the 'following actions'. They knew what they were going to do before they did the trade. They had a plan. The following actions were just them following the plan that they had initially set out and the plan was pure idiocy.

And it's not only a lose-lose, it's mass incompetence from the FO.
 
Scooter said:
Yes it's next year's pick, but there's a funny thing about the future - it always shows up. Remember the time that the Patriots said 'nah, we're good enough - we don't need to get better this year'? Me either, because they had already maneuvered for their post-Superbowl draft. Texans paid another team an asset to take away an asset and got nothing in return.
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Here's the other funny thing about the future, no one can see it clearly till it's already passed. Yes now when we can see it with 20/20 vision it looks like a bad move but at the time it made sense.

Texans have the number one defense WITHOUT Watt and they have some dangerous weapons on offense if given half a chance. All that means that they are in win now mode and Romo was the best chance of that even with his injury history.

Now we have to hope that Savage is not made of tissue paper, Wheedon has still got something hidden in him, we draft a rookie and they are, on day one, the football messiah we have hoped for.

Or we try to go with Cutler or Kap......in the words of Bender from Futurama "Yep, we're boned."
 
maverick512000 said:
Here's the other funny thing about the future, no one can see it. Yes now when we can see it with 20/20 vision it looks like a bad move but at the time it made sense.
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Yup no one can see it. We could have O'Brien muddling himself through another season. We could have our deep threat get injured instead of dropping passes. We could have our offensive line ... lol nevermind. We could not be as ridiculously healthy on defense as we were last year. NOBODY KNOWS.

I do know that 2nd round picks are more valuable than a single season 10mil. Do you?
 
Scooter said:
I do know that 2nd round picks are more valuable than a single season 10mil. Do you?
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No I don't actually, you are working under the assumption that A) the 10 million will be wasted and B) that second round pick will not be a bust.

For example let's say their plan had worked out, they used that 10 million to sign Romo and he leads them to a SB appearance if not a win. In that case was that second round pick still more valuable than the 10 million?

Now of course the counter argument is that what if that second round was used to find the next Watt or Brady or Foster. Then yes clearly it was more valuable, but both of these example are pretty much rolling the dice.

When Brady was drafted 6 QBs got drafted ahead of him. In hind sight that is a joke but at the time those at least half of those 6 were viewed as more valuable and if anyone has draft Brady over them they would have been called incompetent at best.

So yes draft picks are important but they aren't the end all be all. Look at the Browns they always have lots of draft picks and never seem to improve.
 
Dakota said:
We might be the first team in history where it makes sense to draft 3 QB's and let them just battle it out in hopes of finding one that might stick.
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I'm a huge fan of drafting at least two and seeing what shakes out until one of our QB's actually does something worth a crap.
 
I'd also rather have Kaepernick than Cutler, but if either would show up on the cheap, it could be a stopgap. More a fan of drafting though.
 
maverick512000 said:
No I don't actually, you are working under the assumption that A) the 10 million will be wasted and B) that second round pick will not be a bust.

For example let's say their plan had worked out, they used that 10 million to sign Romo and he leads them to a SB appearance if not a win. In that case was that second round pick still more valuable than the 10 million?

Now of course the counter argument is that what if that second round was used to find the next Watt or Brady or Foster. Then yes clearly it was more valuable, but both of these example are pretty much rolling the dice.

When Brady was drafted 6 QBs got drafted ahead of him. In hind sight that is a joke but at the time those at least half of those 6 were viewed as more valuable and if anyone has draft Brady over them they would have been called incompetent at best.

So yes draft picks are important but they aren't the end all be all. Look at the Browns they always have lots of draft picks and never seem to improve.
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1B - again, for the umpteenth time, Romo was not going to survive the season. Common sense to football fans said that. CND very literally said that. Romo retiring said that. Just because you wore fan blinders doesn't mean it changes reality - nor do the idiot blinders worn by management. It wasn't smart to think Romo would do anything for the Texans.

2B - you apparently haven't been keeping up with my posts. The Texans, much like the Browns, have a worrying sense of not realizing what head coaches are capable of. O'Brien, much like the Browns, is throwing quarterbacks at the wall and blaming them for having no idea how to build an offense. Unlike the Browns, we had already built an offense, but management decided they were smarter than the coaches - and here we are with a line of dismissed quarterbacks.
 
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HuttoKarl said:
I'd also rather have Kaepernick than Cutler, but if either would show up on the cheap, it could be a stopgap. More a fan of drafting though.
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I say bring them all in. Kick the tires and see how quickly they can learn our playbook. We have nothing to lose. Savage is the starter until someone beats him out. We shouldn't be afraid of competition at QB.
 
PapaL said:
I say bring them all in. Kick the tires and see how quickly they can learn our playbook. We have nothing to lose. Savage is the starter until someone beats him out. We shouldn't be afraid of competition at QB.
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Sign everybody! Draft everybody! Eventually someone has to be good, right?
 
Just to be clear, none of the QB's in this draft have any sort of negative ties to this franchise or this city that would influence our decision right?
 
Does anyone else think we may begin going through a rebuilding phase? That may be the wrong word, because rebuilding assumes that something was at one point built. But does anyone, including the front office, believe we can win it all with Savage or a rookie? And if hopes are set on a rookie qb, isn't this a 3 year plan, minimum? And if so, do they sign Dhop or consider trading him?

If the plan becomes to rebuild, I don't see BOB in those plans.
 
I don't see any reason to rebuild. I'm not even sure what that would entail. It's not like we are in cap hell and need to shed weight.

The focus right now needs to be on drafting a QB, letting Savage and he compete throughout the year, and using this cap money to retain our current good players (Hopkins) such that the cap space lessens cap hits for future years. I wouldn't mind extending Clowney now to accomplish the same goal. We need to make this cap space work for us over the next two years or the trade that we made to increase that space is going to look even worse. They can fill out the roster in the meantime with what's left in FA.

Expanding on extending Clowney early, I see it as the best way to use the cap space that we have, in conjunction with extending Hopkins, given the options that are on the table right now. I agree that Clowney is an injury risk and needs to show that he can continue to be what he was late last year, but an extension now is worth the gamble. We will have so much cap space next year due to expiring contracts and rollover that we won't be able to efficiently spend it. Why not use some of that now on Hopkins and Clowney so that by 2019, their guaranteed money is very low and their cap hits are below their potential value? If Clowney shows that he's injury prone and not worth that contract, we'll have overpaid in 2017 and 2018, but he'll be logically cuttable in 2019, and it isn't as if we are missing out on better options by overpaying him. There isn't a great way to spend that money right now. Same goes for Hopkins and any reservations there may be about his future as a top receiver.

This is the only way that I can see this money being useful to us in the long term. If we go on a crazy spending spree next year in FA, which we'd have to in order to use all this money, we're running the risk of acquiring some long term, crappy contracts that would potentially run into a window in which we've actually got a QB that gives us a shot at a Super Bowl.

Pay these guys their guaranteed money and a high percentage of their overall contract in 2017 and 2018 while we have extra money and while we are in a situation in which we don't yet have a QB, and thus a team that is a Super Bowl contender.

If Rick Smith can accomplish that, and find a QB in the draft with long term potential, I'll stop throwing shade his way. I'll praise him for the Osweiler trade too, because if that works out, we are in a pretty damn good cap situation with a strong core.
 
Mcnair does not believe in rebuilding he wants to be like the Steelers and Packers were we have a chance every year the problem with that is u get alot of 8-8 9-7 seasons

also the problem with that we never had the line of QB's the packers and Steelers have had

I just wanna win but im afraid our divison will over take us and make it very hard esp the titans and Jags thankgod lately Bob has been very successful against the AFCS actually that's the best thing hes done since coming here to be able to dominate the divison with the squad hes trutting out there is quite amazing ...lets just hope it stays that way
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't see any reason to rebuild. I'm not even sure what that would entail. It's not like we are in cap hell and need to shed weight.

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I think maybe he means the veterans on our DEF who have managed to keep things stable will be gone and never have won anything

Cushing
J joe
K Jackson
Bullough
Peters
Hal
Pleasant
JJ Watt

and

Griffin BROWN and Newton
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't see any reason to rebuild. I'm not even sure what that would entail.
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Well thought out and spoken. The angle I had in mind wasn't as much about cap space as using assets to acquire picks at aging positions (Cush, JJo, etc) and giving them time to gain experience over the next several years while bringing our young qb along and time it up to be a contender in possibly 3 years. Seems a 180 from the way we're thinking when we're giving away 2nd rounders.
 
Texecutioner said:
:spit: Yes!!!

I'd love to hear the Texans homers spin this one for me again.

So we first signed Osweiller, and everyone acted like it wasn't a risk, because we could release him in two years if it doesn't work out.

It doesn't work out, so we then trade his contract and squander a 2nd round pick just so we can free up space with pretty much no real plan to get a QB to contend with next season while a rookie develops. They wanted Romo obviously, but had no plan B in case Jerry held onto him or Romo retiring.

So now they sit with garbage at QB and no other plans of getting one, and we lost a 2nd round pick. Lol!

And Bob Mcnair bragged about all of this strategizing!!

Come on Texans fans lets hear someone try to spin it.
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His strategy was to give the Bengals a low 2nd round pick for cash that his GM can blow on another high risk FA next year. And that guy will be hidden from the coaches until he's flying in from Bob's personal jet.

If the plan has been punting on this year while stock piling cap space for next year, OK. If it was to snare Romo, they screwed up.

As the op asked, yes, the Texans do need to give Hopkins a new contract NOW. That may make some of the fans feel a little better about the historically silence in free agency. So quiet that the only rumor has been Romo. Nobody has even been brought in nor have there been any media rumors that they were talking to scouts of FA's (except Cutler's which would make perfect sense that he be signed by the Texans FO in the dark of the night w/o O'Brien even knowing about it). I can see it now. O'Brien comes into work, NRG lights are all out, he walks into the building and as he enters the lights come on and Cutler, Bob & Cal McNair, and Smith jump out behind a couch and shout "SURPRISE!!!".
 
Dakota said:
Just to be clear, none of the QB's in this draft have any sort of negative ties to this franchise or this city that would influence our decision right?
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No but Kizer and BOB have history; BOB tried to recruit him out of high school if I am not mistaken
 
I think the unstated position of McNair is to get as far in playoffs that will allow him to keep fans bitching and moaning but keep shelling out dollars. Sure he wants to win SB but getting there or being one of final four teams with Savage/Weeden will achieve that goal. I think we should be hoping a healthy Savage if that's possible can get team to final four. Solidify OL and add to depth + Cushing, Watt, D Brown healthy + "some" RG improvement could do that. We don't have to extend Nuk to do that. Not saying we should not but don't have to or spend the $30 m cap as it can roll over.

This draft could be very significant despite not having a franchise type QB or OT at #25.
 
From Schefter:

(On the story coming out yesterday Jerry allowed teams to contact/visit Romo) Strange story & didn't understand it. Boat had left the dock already. He was going into broadcasting.

One real team interested: Houston. Places he would've gone & teams interested, one potential landing spot & that was Houston. There would've been mutual interest but this was an opportunity too good to pass up, too rare to come along. Had he pursued football, both sides would've been interested. If he was playing this year, he'd be playing QB for the Texans this year.

It's not that Houston didn't want to take the risk. Tony made the decision. He made the decision before they made theirs. None of them were counting on Romo. 1) availability(football or TV) 2) counting on him from a health standpoint

If they did sign him, they didn't know if he would stay healthy. Texans were preparing to go forward without him & it would've been a bonus with him but couldn't count on him because of his injury history.
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Ha ha ha ha ha. Stupid us! You gotta figure Jerrah is dancing in the aisles up in Dallas. But for me this is the best outcome. I was not a fan of the Romo idea from jump street. Too old, too frail, too silly to hang your hat on one guy to save your bacon. But the Texans kinda look like fools now for waiting around and doing nothing. Or maybe they just look like the fools they are and ever have been. Here's hoping we sign Cutler or Cap or somebody and draft a QB at 1.25.

Onward.
 
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Hot off the press, a picture of the Houston Texans front office!

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banned1976 said:
His strategy was to give the Bengals a low 2nd round pick for cash that his GM can blow on another high risk FA next year. And that guy will be hidden from the coaches until he's flying in from Bob's personal jet.

If the plan has been punting on this year while stock piling cap space for next year, OK. If it was to snare Romo, they screwed up.

As the op asked, yes, the Texans do need to give Hopkins a new contract NOW. That may make some of the fans feel a little better about the historically silence in free agency. So quiet that the only rumor has been Romo. Nobody has even been brought in nor have there been any media rumors that they were talking to scouts of FA's (except Cutler's which would make perfect sense that he be signed by the Texans FO in the dark of the night w/o O'Brien even knowing about it). I can see it now. O'Brien comes into work, NRG lights are all out, he walks into the building and as he enters the lights come on and Cutler, Bob & Cal McNair, and Smith jump out behind a couch and shout "SURPRISE!!!".
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Wow, has it gotten that bad that Texans fans are willing to get on board and excited for Cutler? My god, this city is one of the worst in the country for sports.:kubepalm:
 
banned1976 said:
His strategy was to give the Bengals a low 2nd round pick for cash that his GM can blow on another high risk FA next year. And that guy will be hidden from the coaches until he's flying in from Bob's personal jet.

If the plan has been punting on this year while stock piling cap space for next year, OK. If it was to snare Romo, they screwed up.

As the op asked, yes, the Texans do need to give Hopkins a new contract NOW. That may make some of the fans feel a little better about the historically silence in free agency. So quiet that the only rumor has been Romo. Nobody has even been brought in nor have there been any media rumors that they were talking to scouts of FA's (except Cutler's which would make perfect sense that he be signed by the Texans FO in the dark of the night w/o O'Brien even knowing about it). I can see it now. O'Brien comes into work, NRG lights are all out, he walks into the building and as he enters the lights come on and Cutler, Bob & Cal McNair, and Smith jump out behind a couch and shout "SURPRISE!!!".
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Wow, has it gotten that bad that Texans fans are willing to get on board and excited for Cutler? My god, this city is one of the worst in the country for sports.:kubepalm:
 
maverick512000 said:
No I don't actually, you are working under the assumption that A) the 10 million will be wasted and B) that second round pick will not be a bust.

For example let's say their plan had worked out, they used that 10 million to sign Romo and he leads them to a SB appearance if not a win. In that case was that second round pick still more valuable than the 10 million?

Now of course the counter argument is that what if that second round was used to find the next Watt or Brady or Foster. Then yes clearly it was more valuable, but both of these example are pretty much rolling the dice.

When Brady was drafted 6 QBs got drafted ahead of him. In hind sight that is a joke but at the time those at least half of those 6 were viewed as more valuable and if anyone has draft Brady over them they would have been called incompetent at best.

So yes draft picks are important but they aren't the end all be all. Look at the Browns they always have lots of draft picks and never seem to improve.
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Great, the ole Brady was drafted in the 6th round reminder. (Dumbest thing anyone can say to suggest you'll find a QB in mid to late rounds) Might as well bring up that needle you found in a haystack in 1983 at Uncle Bob's farm. Cool story.
 
Texans front office royally screwed up this situation. They thought they had Romo locked up as their QB of 2017. They were willing to bet a 2nd round pick on it. And as is typical of the Texans front office, well I think this picture of Cal McNair I found sums it up:

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Oh well, fk him. Was never really that hyped about getting Homo anyways.
Texecutioner said:
Wow, has it gotten that bad that Texans fans are willing to get on board and excited for Cutler? My god, this city is one of the worst in the country for sports.:kubepalm:
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Or even worse, king of the entitled d-bags, Colleen Kaepernick. :rake:
 
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Porky said:
This blows chunks. Romo was the one and only chance the Texans had of competing for a SB this year.
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Why would anyone think this. Romo has never even sniffed the SB himself. He is a massive 2 and 4 in the playoffs. That means he has made it to the divisional round twice and never won it.

The man is Injury prone. He has played a total of 5 games in the last 2 years. Broken left collar bone 3 times, 2 back injuries. This was all behind the "best" oline in the NFL. So tell me what makes everyone think that Romo was the savior? I didn't want him here for these reasons.
 
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