Ha!!! Completely forgot about Prescott.
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What's your plan for QB next season?
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banned1976
sleeper mode
Gotcha. Smith and his role with the organization, who had more input on this guy or that guy...I don't really know. I could speculate but that's all it would be. Coaches and players, how the team performs on the field, that's much easier to find blame, assign praise.
I've said at the time of the Osweiler's signing that he would be better of staying with the Broncos.
That play action fake off the ZBS run and the roll out/bootleg can hide his two major negatives: the long delivery and his less than stellar field vision. If necessary, he can pull up and run also.
Well, to be honest, there was never hindsight with me.
I didn't rag on drafting a QB until 2011. There's never a guarantee, but I did identify the prospects properly ever since we traded for Schaub.
I even wanted Schaub (along with TexansMike) before any trade talks started because I didn't see any worthwhile prospect.
I did identify Flacco as well (along with threetoepete, a regular poster at the time), but I also targeted Duane Brown and would rather have him.
There's no excuse for Rick Smith in my book because he had missed on many more since.
No, they are not all "Franchise" QBs, but they are at least "reliable" to the definition of McNair.
I guess I'm trying to consider the situation as it was at the time. The 2014 draft was the only unforgivable draft for me. It was way too deep for the Texans to end up with just Savage. I still like Savage, but when you think of all of the QB's in that draft and they drafted 1st each round? Inexucasble.Well, to be honest, there was never hindsight with me.
I didn't rag on drafting a QB until 2011. There's never a guarantee, but I did identify the prospects properly ever since we traded for Schaub.
I even wanted Schaub (along with TexansMike) before any trade talks started because I didn't see any worthwhile prospect.
I did identify Flacco as well (along with threetoepete, a regular poster at the time), but I also targeted Duane Brown and would rather have him.
There's no excuse for Rick Smith in my book because he had missed on many more since.
No, they are not all "Franchise" QBs, but they are at least "reliable" to the definition of McNair.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Agreed. I thought highly about Bridgewater, Carr and Garoppolo. They could have traded up one spot for Bridgewater but I guess they didn't want him. I believe the scenario was probably Minnesota offered their second and forth to Seattle to move up a few spots in front of the Texans. Seattle called Rick Smith, can you do better and he said no. McNair didn't want another Carr in the building. And New England hoodwinked the Texans in the 2nd by taking Garoppolo. And maybe the Texans only had a 3rd round grade on him but I believe they were wrong int that thinking.
zshawn10
All Pro
So for Jimmy G, they thought Sua was a first round talent and they could take Jimmy next round, but NE overtook him. Carr; probably his last name? He had a horrible year or two before what he is today. Bridgewater; looks like he's going to miss the entire 2017 season and before that, his best season was 14 TDs and 8 INTs
After spending a good amount of time studying the prospects coming out at QB this year I have made my top 10 list this year.
1. Deshaun Watson (6'3" 220lbs Clemson) - Deshaun has what everyone else in this draft lacks and that is poise in the pocket. Aside from that the kid is a winner and very much worthy of being traded up for to get. He will stand in the pocket and take the big hit and still deliver a strike. Best QB in this draft hands down! Draft Grade 1st round top 10 worthy!
2. Mitch Trubisky (6'3" 220lbs N. Carolina) - Mitch has one of the most natural releases I've seen it's almost effortless. He has the arm strength and accuracy to make any NFL throw. This is a kid you could build your team around! Draft Grade 1st round top 10 worthy!
3. Jerod Evans (6'3" 240lbs Vi. Tech)- When I watched his film I couldn't help but think how much he reminded me of Dak Prescott. Just watching him stand and deliver the ball showed me that it's all natural to him. He has guts! When he can't find a target he will do what he has to do get yards himself and believe me he can run! Draft Grade 1st to 2nd round.
4. Brad Kaaya (6'4" 210lbs Miami)- Watching Kaaya's film is just exciting to me. He can stand tall in the pocket and let it fly with the best of them. His fundamentals are great really understands the technical part of being a great QB. When you watch him play pay attention to how he flips his hips when he needs to, climbs the pocket and his passes look so good in the air. He's a guy I'm high on right now. If he falls past the second round you make a move to go get him. Draft Grade 2nd to 3rd round.
5. DeShone Kizer (6'4" 230lbs Notre Dame)- I have him rated as my number 5 prospect because he often is looking to run too soon. Doesn't allow many of the plays he runs time to develop. He has all the intangibles required but he lacks trust in his teammates either that or he just tries to do too much. Now these are traits that can be changed with some good coaching but he still ranks as the 5th best passer on my list. Draft Grade 2nd to 3rd round.
6. Chad Kelly (6'2" 225lbs Ole Miss) - Chad Kelly, the Swiss Army knife of this class. He will surprise you with some of the runs he makes. He has good but not great accuracy. When he's flushed from the pocket he can make some unbelievable plays. Draft Grade 4th to 5th round.
7. Patrick Mahomes (6'3" 230lbs Tex Tech) - Mr. Mahomes II, Led The nation in yards this year. He had an unbelievable performance against Oklahoma 734 pass yards 5 TD and 85 rush yards and a TD. However his number are inflated because of the amount of pass attempts he had. Aside from that he just doesn't appear to have a natural throwing motion. He doesn't show poise to me. Something with this kid is off and I can't put my finger on it. Draft Grade 4th to 5th round.
8. Davis Webb (6'5" 230 lbs Cal) - Webb may climb this list with a good performance at the combine. He has the size and arm strength to make the throws required of him. He is one you hope develops into your franchise guy. Draft Grade 6th to 7th round.
9. Seth Russell (6'3" 220lbs Baylor)- Russell has accuracy issues but he still manages to take care of the football. He posted a respectable TD to INT ratio of 29:6. To me he is a player you draft and hope can turn into a Chase Daniel. Draft Grade 6th to 7th round.
10. Antonio Pipkin (6'1" 225lbs Tiffin) - This young man is this years Carson Wentz only you get to find him in the late rounds of the draft. He'll fight his way into a possible starting role one day. He has confidence and the athletic ability to do everything these other kids can do. Just needs a little development. He came from a small school in Tiffin and played lights out for them. He can follow that with a good NFL career. Draft Grade 6th to 7th round.
I say the Texans package a deal for either Watson or Trubisky!
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1. Deshaun Watson (6'3" 220lbs Clemson) - Deshaun has what everyone else in this draft lacks and that is poise in the pocket. Aside from that the kid is a winner and very much worthy of being traded up for to get. He will stand in the pocket and take the big hit and still deliver a strike. Best QB in this draft hands down! Draft Grade 1st round top 10 worthy!
2. Mitch Trubisky (6'3" 220lbs N. Carolina) - Mitch has one of the most natural releases I've seen it's almost effortless. He has the arm strength and accuracy to make any NFL throw. This is a kid you could build your team around! Draft Grade 1st round top 10 worthy!
3. Jerod Evans (6'3" 240lbs Vi. Tech)- When I watched his film I couldn't help but think how much he reminded me of Dak Prescott. Just watching him stand and deliver the ball showed me that it's all natural to him. He has guts! When he can't find a target he will do what he has to do get yards himself and believe me he can run! Draft Grade 1st to 2nd round.
4. Brad Kaaya (6'4" 210lbs Miami)- Watching Kaaya's film is just exciting to me. He can stand tall in the pocket and let it fly with the best of them. His fundamentals are great really understands the technical part of being a great QB. When you watch him play pay attention to how he flips his hips when he needs to, climbs the pocket and his passes look so good in the air. He's a guy I'm high on right now. If he falls past the second round you make a move to go get him. Draft Grade 2nd to 3rd round.
5. DeShone Kizer (6'4" 230lbs Notre Dame)- I have him rated as my number 5 prospect because he often is looking to run too soon. Doesn't allow many of the plays he runs time to develop. He has all the intangibles required but he lacks trust in his teammates either that or he just tries to do too much. Now these are traits that can be changed with some good coaching but he still ranks as the 5th best passer on my list. Draft Grade 2nd to 3rd round.
6. Chad Kelly (6'2" 225lbs Ole Miss) - Chad Kelly, the Swiss Army knife of this class. He will surprise you with some of the runs he makes. He has good but not great accuracy. When he's flushed from the pocket he can make some unbelievable plays. Draft Grade 4th to 5th round.
7. Patrick Mahomes (6'3" 230lbs Tex Tech) - Mr. Mahomes II, Led The nation in yards this year. He had an unbelievable performance against Oklahoma 734 pass yards 5 TD and 85 rush yards and a TD. However his number are inflated because of the amount of pass attempts he had. Aside from that he just doesn't appear to have a natural throwing motion. He doesn't show poise to me. Something with this kid is off and I can't put my finger on it. Draft Grade 4th to 5th round.
8. Davis Webb (6'5" 230 lbs Cal) - Webb may climb this list with a good performance at the combine. He has the size and arm strength to make the throws required of him. He is one you hope develops into your franchise guy. Draft Grade 6th to 7th round.
9. Seth Russell (6'3" 220lbs Baylor)- Russell has accuracy issues but he still manages to take care of the football. He posted a respectable TD to INT ratio of 29:6. To me he is a player you draft and hope can turn into a Chase Daniel. Draft Grade 6th to 7th round.
10. Antonio Pipkin (6'1" 225lbs Tiffin) - This young man is this years Carson Wentz only you get to find him in the late rounds of the draft. He'll fight his way into a possible starting role one day. He has confidence and the athletic ability to do everything these other kids can do. Just needs a little development. He came from a small school in Tiffin and played lights out for them. He can follow that with a good NFL career. Draft Grade 6th to 7th round.
I say the Texans package a deal for either Watson or Trubisky!
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Watson has terrible field vison. He threw 30 INT's in 2 years against college defenses. He's the 2017 version of Jamarcus Russell but with better work ethic.
Trubisky needs to be red-shirted for at lest a year.
I haven't watched much on he others, but the NFL is where Texas Tech QB' go to die.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
2014 is the draft I have the biggest issue with although, I'd have taken a qb before then even when Schaub was playing well.
I think some of those guys that have been not all that or mediocre may have been better in Kubiak's system with Kubiak coaching them.
But for us not to take a qb until we took Savage was a big mistake IMO.
Twelve pages of chatter and the plan I like best (this one obviously) was on page one.
Allow me steal it by putting some specifics on the plan.
1. Bring in a legit OC. Chip Kelly is out there. So is Charlie Weis. Both are familiar with O'Brien so putting one of them with him should work out. My choice would be Weis because I doubt anyone knows the system O'Brien is trying run better than him outside of Belichick or Josh McDaniels
2. Improve the O-line. Draft Ryan Ramczyk or Cam Robinson to replace Newton at RT in rd. 1. Prep him to take over at LT when age catches up with D.Brown (I'm thinking 2-3 yrs).
3. Have the offensive brain trust - and that includes our shiny, new OC - identify the guy they feel can make our offense work. I don't care if it's Osweiler, Savage, Weeden, Garoppolo, or one of the youngsters in the upcoming draft. But make a damned decision for the LONG HAUL. No more band-aids. I don't want to see a fifth QB in five years.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I like this analysis and I agree it. I like Chip's offense a lot, only that he showed just as bad of a QB evaluation history as OB currently has. I'm not sure he'd be a great hire, nor could I see his ego and OB's working out well. Weiss has been out of coaching for a while. He'd be pretty risky to me. I love the NE offense. I don't care how complicated it is. When you watch what the Patriots do and how well they attack teams weaknesses on offense it is a thing of beauty. I just don't see that OB is good at teaching it. Hard to fully analyze it when our QB's have been so pathetic as well.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
1. I can't see Chip Kelly demoting himself. He will likely go back to college as HC somewhere first.
Weis might work here with Bill.
2. Ramcyzk will be off the board by the time Texans pick at 25. Robinson has some question marks over his motor. Garrett Bolles should be #25.
3. Sounds okay.
Whichever way they go, they should take a qb in round 2.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Bridgewater was one of my favorite people coming out of his draft. He wasn't the best football player, I wasn't even sure if he was the best QB. But I liked everything about his demeanor and attitude; that's in addition to his poise in the pocket and accuracy. I thought he had that special "it" factor. And he showed glimpses of that in 2015, when he made the Pro Bowl. What has happened to him is tragic. Forget about 2017, he may never play football again. The knee injury he sustained was devastating. His left leg separated at the knee. Vikings players who were there and saw it, they can't even talk abut it, it was so horrific.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
You forgot to put Brock Osweiller in the 2012 draft. If we had got him then, we could have saved 37 million dollars... Also, it's kind of funny that John Elway drafted Brock in the 2nd and the next 3 QBs off the board were Foles, Wilson and Cousins. Can't win 'em all, which I think is the point of your post. I can agree with that, but the Texans/Ricks lack of effort to even try to find the next QB has been pretty abysmal. So here we are again, a team with no real franchise QB, treading water, and hoping to strike gold with a last 1st round pick. It gets difficult to continue caring after a while.
Watson has terrible field vison. He threw 30 INT's in 2 years against college defenses. He's the 2017 version of Jamarcus Russell but with better work ethic.
Trubisky needs to be red-shirted for at lest a year.
I haven't watched much on he others, but the NFL is where Texas Tech QB' go to die.
I didn't forget to.
jradMIT
Veteran
Good grief, the vast majority of teams who don't have QBs isnt because they had some methodically different approach. They were lucky the year they sucked, there was a guy there waiting to be called.
We were unlucky in a sense there was no bona fide prospect there, the same thing happened to KC when they had the 1. Yes there a few guys who fall out of the top ten or out of the first, who would consider franchise guys.
Let's see
Drew Brees
Russel Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Dak Prescott (still unproven) maybe
Cousins
Big Ben still top half first
Flacco same as above
Dalton ehh
Tbrady
Carr (still not completely sold, but it's not like we could have drafted another Carr)
Basically 7 guys counting Dalton, Dak, cousins not in the first , 5 after the 2nd. For every one of those guys there were at least 5 or 6 who didn't. probably more .
Most of the studs, the team was just at the right place at the right time i.e. the colts, or the sucked for a long period of time i.e. the Lions. Its basically serendipity. To essentially put it on Ricks doorstep as if he is the real reason behind this is ridiculous. They chose to roll with schaub and win a title with him. They focused the most valuable picks and putting the best team out there, why pick a guy in the 1st Round when you need a LT or a DE or MLB or whatever, when you feel you can win with him?
Furthermore in the post schaub era 3 off seasons they went after OS in one, hindsight is wonderful who knew Prescott, Carr would be who they were? No one really or they wouldn't have lasted past 1!!!Not counting JG cuz he hasn't proven anything and if you do think he has, he's also proven he can get hurt,
Putting this all at the feet of rick or the team like other teams had some vastly different approach is completely unfair because essentially you find yourself in the right place at the right time (usually when you sucked for long) or your lottery ticket hits. Like I said if any of the teams who got their signal caller after the first knew who that player was, they would have picked him first let alone give the farm for him.
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We were unlucky in a sense there was no bona fide prospect there, the same thing happened to KC when they had the 1. Yes there a few guys who fall out of the top ten or out of the first, who would consider franchise guys.
Let's see
Drew Brees
Russel Wilson
Aaron Rodgers
Dak Prescott (still unproven) maybe
Cousins
Big Ben still top half first
Flacco same as above
Dalton ehh
Tbrady
Carr (still not completely sold, but it's not like we could have drafted another Carr)
Basically 7 guys counting Dalton, Dak, cousins not in the first , 5 after the 2nd. For every one of those guys there were at least 5 or 6 who didn't. probably more .
Most of the studs, the team was just at the right place at the right time i.e. the colts, or the sucked for a long period of time i.e. the Lions. Its basically serendipity. To essentially put it on Ricks doorstep as if he is the real reason behind this is ridiculous. They chose to roll with schaub and win a title with him. They focused the most valuable picks and putting the best team out there, why pick a guy in the 1st Round when you need a LT or a DE or MLB or whatever, when you feel you can win with him?
Furthermore in the post schaub era 3 off seasons they went after OS in one, hindsight is wonderful who knew Prescott, Carr would be who they were? No one really or they wouldn't have lasted past 1!!!Not counting JG cuz he hasn't proven anything and if you do think he has, he's also proven he can get hurt,
Putting this all at the feet of rick or the team like other teams had some vastly different approach is completely unfair because essentially you find yourself in the right place at the right time (usually when you sucked for long) or your lottery ticket hits. Like I said if any of the teams who got their signal caller after the first knew who that player was, they would have picked him first let alone give the farm for him.
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jradMIT
Veteran
Enough with this they thought he would be there later nonsense, not that is not the real reason. The real reason is that they didn't believe he was a franchise QB, seriously does anyone honestly think they were like " Hey this Garrapolo kid can be our Franchise QB for the next 15 years, but he will be there a round later, so lets take a player to fill one of the most valuable needs in the NFL outside of Punting, Deep snapping, and ILB, Lets take the Guard, yeah the guy out of UCLA") Please, if they thought he was who most of the people here think, the would have ran to the podium, lets have a reality check please.
jradMIT
Veteran
I can agree with 2014, I loved TB, but maybe they saw something in the frame they didnt like. I know Carr has looked good, but similar to Prescott he has an elite line, I was looking at the QB hits and pressures stats, and Carr rarely got touched or hurried all year, 41 hits and 18 sacks, compare that to Matt Ryan 106 and 37, just saying I wonder if he was pressured like most, he might look more like an average guy or turn the ball over more. It might be too early to make the call about them. But they liked Savage, and its hard to fault them when after the first few picks most of the guys have weaknesses.
I think most of us started questioning their QB decisions since Schaub got hurt.
It really picked up after the 2014 class, which was the strongest QB class we've seen in a long time.
That's a lot of typing on an iphone!!!
I think it was more about compatibility with offensive schemes with Brock. Elway saw that he was competent in Kubiak's system. As has been mentioned many times in this forum, Sage Rosenfels has elaborated on how QB-friendly Kubiak's system is to learn and run.
Unfortunately, O'Brien and Smith were unable to figure out if Brock would be able to handle what appears to be an overly complicated scheme in Houston before they signed him.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Thank you. That little 'they were waiting' fairytale is made up to attack Smith.
I understand Kubiak makes it easy on his QBs.
I understand O'bs "system" is complicated.
That's why I'm not convinced the Texans have given up on Brock Osweiler & I caution all those opposed to seeing Osweiler starting next season to be prepared.
That's also why I'm anxiously awaiting Brock Osweiler in year two. I'm hoping we get this offense past year 1. I'm ready for Chess.
Yeah... now the rumor is that it was reportedly rumored that O'b thought that much of Garoppolo & Smith didn't, hence Smith needs to GTFO...
You make sense; however, the deal is you always need to groom another QB, especially when your QB isn't a great one (Schaub).
To me, in those 10 years (not counting 06 since Smith wasn't there for the draft), in my way of thinking, the Texans should have had at least 2 to 4 "decent" prospects.
I agree that teams aren't always there for the near to sure thing, but that should only make them do better homeworks.
I saw Flacco in 09 as a possibility (but as I've said, Brown as a Lt with Schaub already on board is a better direction.
In 2010, I had Kaepernick over Dalton.
Kapaernick has a high ceiling while Dalton is a smart QB.
The team can "showcase" them like the Falcons did with Schaub (and many other teams have been doing it likewise) for later trades.
I saw Wilson, Cousins, and Keenum (whom I would have drafted in the 5th where I rated him in the draft forum.)
Wilson in particular because he had experience in the WCO and also in the pro system.
In 2013 put Glennon in the third round; in the mold of Schaub, which is at least a decent investment.
(I had discounted Manuel and Gino Smith, they were not NFL QBs to me.)
Previously I had said no to Tannerhill and a host other QBs in the first round or second round in previous years.)
I saw Teddy, Garropolo, and Carr in 2014. And I would have taken McCarron over Savage.
(But I like Savage better now; he was holding onto the balls too long and didn't play very well under duress.)
And Lynch was the one I saw last year (a little in the mold of Kaepernick, but less wild on and off the field.)
I didn't get to study enough of many of the other guys like Brissett, Prescott, or Jones because the Texans already signed Osweiler and I was in totally foul mood. LOL.
Obviously, they were all just prospects, but I strongly believe that the GM needs to turn up all the rocks and never stops.
My reasons were different.
As I've just try to explain in the above post.
I liked Schaub, but a team shouldnt stop looking for a QB that can make his O-line looks better.
There were so many holes to fill on the other side of the ball during the Schaub era that the team was almost forced to spend its higher rounds on that side of the ball. Until the disaster that was 2013 the Texans were set at QB. although as case can be made that there should've been concerns about him with the way he ended 2012. I really wonder if the Texans medical staff read the same stuff CnD does.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I don't remember, well anyone advocating anything other than 6th or 7th round flyers until 2012. Lots of hindsight now from folks who didn't mock a 3rd or higher serious replacement candidate.
I understand that, but IMO, when a GM sees a guy with "high ceiling" like Kaepernick, or Wilson, who both proved they can play well under pressure, he has to get at least one of them. That "ceiling" is a potential franchise QB "if" the guy "simply" makes a "normal" progress at the NFL level.
The risk/reward factor tilts in your favor.
It's probably/arguably one of the best approaches when the team does not anticipate to have a high draft choice anytime soon.
Either that or the GM has to target the top end guys early and stock pile draft picks for the future.
The previous approach probably has a little better chance .
But one cannot stay pat and just 'hope' for the best, my 2 cents.
That's pretty much the way I remember it. With the state of the defense and ST coverage (sadly an ongoing issue), it would've been hard to justify a 4th or higher QB pick before 2013 or so.
When you have a HC/QB combination like the Patriots, you can get away with that and use the backup QB as trade bait. I 100% believe that has been BB's strategy in NE and it has worked for him.
Being an engineer by training and not a gambler by nature, I don't like taking risks but I'm starting to come around to taking a big gamble now and then. It's become easier since I adopted DB's stance and now it's merely entertainment.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Hypothetical:
What if Brock have a breakout season (2017-2018). Will you still call Rick a failure. My point is , we have to let these type of things play out completely before calling it a failure.
Just like a lot of fans on here and on other sites calling Clowney a bust.
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I've heard different theories on Kelly's future. Some think, like you, he'll go back to the college ranks because he wants to keep being head man. Others think he doesn't want to retreat back to college because he wants to prove he can cut it in the NFL. But having flamed out in two head coaching jobs, he'll have to have more success at the coordinator level before another team takes a chance on making him their head coach. And, to be straight, I'd really rather see Weis here myself.
2. Not emotionally hung up on either one of the guys I named. I just know they're among the best in this year's bunch and could start over Newton at RT immediately. If Bolles is the best left on the board when we pick, then snag him. I'm not for spending a #1 pick on someone who won't be starting. ...at ANY position.
jradMIT
Veteran
Based on what one thing I think everyone isn't seeing besides anointing JG a franchise QB, is that not one team thought he was a franchise qb in the draft, zero, zilch, nada. Putting this on the team or any team for that matter is patently ridiculous!!!
Reality check: He was the 62nd overall pick, if one team thought as highly as most on here do he would have been gone before 10, pump the breaks, why aren't we opining about DAk, or even not drafting Russel Wilson????? At least Wilson has proven without a doubt who he is, JG 1.5 game career ending in injury, let's hold this out as proof positive of Rick Smiths incompetence.
Let me present my case and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Rick Smith sucks.
Exhibit A is one James Garrapolo, you know that guy we all loved before the draft who 61 other teams passed on and now based on multiple pre seasons and of course almost 6 whopping quarters of actual action where in the most extraordinary and random way ( could happened to anyone, I can't stress that enough), absolutely not possibly in any way indicative of his body or manner of play or future likelihood there of, got hurt, you know this guy is not for sure an absolute beast and sure fire "the guy" who will be an iron man multiple SB winning qb. Smith passed on this guy, he unlike the 60 other picks was stupid to miss the obvious.
Exhibit B He brought in Osweiler, yes he alone despite serious push back from OB and the mountains of evidence not included another team pretty much offering the same, a godly GM beyond reproach. OB is shaking his head of course because he being the head coach had absolutely nothing to do with this, OB even chained himself to Ricky's desk, threw away Brocks agents number, staged a sit in until this inexplicable move was made, but unfortunately that Wiley weasely Ricky is big Bobs son or maybe he has him hypnotized, he kept copies cut the chain loose and he made the move, OB had to restrained then sedated of course.
Exhibit C - The Texans despite lacking the most important position, they cannot even compete let alone win a division title 3 of five years, especially when not missing their best player, or two offensive lineman. Ricky does it again, they don't have a good roster, shucks all those great picks and moves those were Wades guys, or RACs, one time even the secretary got one in, but those terrible guys it's just Rick being Rick.
In closing RS is completely incompetent, he routinely misses on guys who might in 100% certainty the next great thing especially since no other team did the same, he ram rodded with caution to the wind and wreck less abandon in spite of every sign possible even from OB and god himself telling him otherwise the Brock signing. He hasn't put together a roster together that can compete when injuries happen let alone hire good coaches. Rick Smith absolutely sucks for a myriad of logical reasoning.
The insanity rests
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I agree that it takes more than one season in a system to see how a particular player can perform in a particular system. That's one of the reasons I'm ok with the Texans rolling with the QB's they have and not reaching for a QB due to a perceived need. Have a 100% open QB competition in 2017 and see who wins. I don't see a future franchise QB in this draft, but I hated Mariotta as an NFL QB too. Oops...
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humblegeo
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The owner hasn't got a clue or balls. Rick Smith signed a new 5 year contract in 2016, of course that was before it became obvious how bad (or shall we say BADLY) he screwed up on the Osweiler 72 million dollar deal. Who got screwed......the fans. The owner continues to get rich, Rick Smith has his new long term contract and Osweiler is laughing all the way to the bank.
Not a fan of posing a personal opinion as fact. That's all this is.
jradMIT
Veteran
I understand always keeping a developing guy, they had Yates, Keenum but they never used on of those picks in the first four rounds on one, maybe they didn't like one or had players night in their board, I guess what is frustrating to many now is that in the absence of schaub they haven't started drafting a qb in the first three rounds every other year. Imho I think they are determined to not over valuing the qbs like everyone else has, and are trying to be disciplined, thinking their time will come.
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You do understand that the middle round picks are where you develop talent at other positions and strengthen special teams? You don't just say screw it and take a flyer on a position when you have major holes at other positions.
My friends, it's time to stop looking in the past at what they should have done. We all have our ideas about that and it does no good to rehash them over and over. Instead, let us look into the future at what they should do! For me, I would rather the Texans not look at the FA market again or trade for a QB this season but instead hold on to their draft picks to bolster the O-line and other areas of need. And, with one of those draft picks, I want them to take a QB for development, preferably within the first 4 rounds. It doesn't matter to me who they have their sights on, although, like most here, I have some I hope they go for. The important thing is they have to start trying to find their Franchise QB and start developing him. In the mean time (next season), I would like to see Savage get more of a chance to play if he can stay healthy and hopefully behind a better O-line. He's got a good arm and good accuracy but he's just had bad luck with the injuries. They just need to get the line fixed to give him some more protection and let's see what he can do. JMO.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you put Case Keenum in that group & we got him undrafted.
I honestly didn't have an issue with our cadre of QBs; Schaub, Tj, & Case. I just didn't care for how we went through them.
I thought Yates was a more athletic Schaub. With Kubiak I felt he could put up numbers similar to Schaub. Perfect place filler until we found a special guy. & Who knows, he might have grew into that "special guy" or pretty dang close.
Keenum I thought had a chance to be special. But he went from scout team to savior in a matter of weeks.
So Schaub was hurt, looked like Yates was plan B, until he wasn't. & Keenum went from our 'future" to our "right now"
We should have stuck to the plan, but it feels like egos got in the way, & here we are.
A pick used on a quarterback in this draft is highly likely to be a wasted pick .... I don't see a single QB they can realistically get at 25 or beyond that has the potential to be a competent starter in the NFL.
Make better use of that pick by trading it in exchange for a player who has the potential to be a quality NFL starter ....
It's pretty much a crap shoot no matter what position they draft but I believe they have to take that chance on a QB sooner or later! Who knows when you might get the next Brady, Wilson, Carr, or Prescott! But, you have to take that chance in the Draft or you have no chance of getting them.
I know I did.
You were among a few posters I discussed with in the draft forum.
My evaluation was such that of the group the Texans can afford, Wilson, Keenum, and Cousins I saw as playing well under pressure.
If you remember, I even pulled up just the games that Keenum played against better programs during his career like Alabama and S. Miss (top 20 ranking), Oregon, TCU, Okl. St., Miss. St., Penn St., and disregard all the other games.
Because of their size, I'd like to take both Wilson and Keenum.
With Wilson being more ready to play (experience in both the WCO and pro-style as already mentioned), either Yates and Keenum can go to the PS, or both.
As it was, I didn't have problem with Keenum on the PS, because he came from a spread offense while Yates played in what he said "an exact copy" of the WCO that Kubiak ran, and he also had a year in the NFL already.
The most cumbersome aspect of the WCO, at least to me, is its verbiage.
I just happened to find this article first, for reference:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansas...e866082.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
But it's water under the bridge, as McNair had decided to can Kubiak.
Even though I understand that his record justified the firing, I agree with you (?) that the Texans should have given Kubiak another chance.
But it's done, and I actually supported the O'Brien hire... Until all the debacles in 2014 and 2015, that is.
jradMIT
Veteran
This team is built to win NOW. We need a quarterback who is ready NOW ..... not one who needs 2-3 years of seasoning before he's ready to compete.
We are simply not going to get that guy in this draft , even if we were picking #1` .... He's not there.
You want to take a flyer on a mid round QB .... fine , do it but go get a starter in the mean time.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I disagree that this team is built to win now. Rookies for receivers outside of Hopkins, poor offensive line, no QB, overrated running back, good defense.
More like this team has players and a unit on defense that is a shame to not be taking advantage of.