Williams never had Watt, though.
I wonder how Clowney would handle being on a team where he's not the best athlete or biggest name.
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Clowney, then what?
- Thread starter thunderkyss
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I wonder how Clowney would handle being on a team where he's not the best athlete or biggest name.
I´d take another Mario Williams. I know it`s frustrating at times, but pairing a Mario Williams with Watt, that is scary. Oh, and which 2006 QB ended up being a star?
BullNation4Life
All Pro
the uh.....you know the one that...uh....Yeah that one!
star may have been stretching but VY was pretty big in his short time and we as Texans fans had to hear that crap till VY imploded...
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Just a guess based on how everything has come easy to JdC so far, but the NFL will match him and he's going to have to learn how to be a pro and add tools to his toolbox. Might have to bench him to drive that point home. Like I said, it happened to Bruce Smith. We'll see...
Regardless, he'll be racing the best in the game to get to the QB.
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Heath Cline from 107.5 The Game in Columbia, South Carolina joined Mad Radio and they discussed Jadeveon Clowney and his character...
Cline does wonder about the bone spurs. Maybe get it done immediately. There were times it bothered him and other times he was able to play through it.
Cline does wonder about the bone spurs. Maybe get it done immediately. There were times it bothered him and other times he was able to play through it.
You know I was never a Mario fan. Decided I would look at Tenn game because person interviewed on radio gushed about Clowney in this game. Found game on utube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWul62MaRT4
and watched whole game in a few minutes. Saw Mario lite. Was not impressed. Hope they can find some team that will trade down with us. Sucks that again there is no one worthy of no 1. I just don't think he will be a difference maker. Last play on tape showed him getting blown out on running play.
and watched whole game in a few minutes. Saw Mario lite. Was not impressed. Hope they can find some team that will trade down with us. Sucks that again there is no one worthy of no 1. I just don't think he will be a difference maker. Last play on tape showed him getting blown out on running play.
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humblegeo
Guest
Agree 100%
Hervoyel
BUENO!
If Mario Williams hadn't been injured in Wade's first year and had wanted to stick around to play on the same defense as JJ (can't criticize the man for jumping at that kind of money) we'd have been watching Mario's first 20 sack season. One of those potential QB's is going to probably at least look legitimate in a Andy Dalton in Cincinnati kind of way but it won't make any difference.
Watt & Clowney together with Cushing are going to make Mercilus look like a late-blooming steal. You can't block everybody.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
MSR. Mario gets too much hate around here. He led the Texans in sacks every year from 2007-2010 -- under multiple coordinators and with no real threat on the line beside him. He had 5 sacks in 5 games in 2011 before tearing his pec and has gone on to get like 24 sacks in 2 years at Buffalo.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
I always refer back to the Steelers game in 2011. he was just physical abusing the Steelers o line and assaulting Ben. great shot of "What if..." when you watch it,
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Ready for this draft to come so we can move on from the speculation. Too bad their isn't a clear cut #1 so all of the guessing could end.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I would argue there is. I`d say on about 85% of the big boards Clowney is #1, and I´d doubt you find a big board where he isn`t in the top 3. That`s about as much a consensus as you`re gonna get.
The question is just: do we want that consensus guy, even though he doesn`t fit a 3-4 perfectly and even though he had a lackluster last college season?
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Goodell looks drunk. Clowney has that look like he knows he's going 1st to the texans.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I always liked mario. Mario if he wanted to,he could bull rush his way to 10 sacks. Ask any left tackle and they will tell you when he strikes you,he's so strong its shocking. Mario is 6'7 300lbs and benched 37 times. Clowney is 6'5 266 and benched 23 times. Big diffeeence in straight power.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
Mario is as strong as they come but for the sake of accuracy I will point out he put up 35 reps at the combine. In fairness Clowney was 21. You must be in a good mood Lee, giving guys extra credit like that!
Texan4Ever
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I'm sure this has been addressed before but how does Clowney fit our 3-4 system under Cernell? I see him as a 4-3 DE and 4-3 DE ONLY. Unless he were to bulk up to JJ Watt's weight I can't imagine him play the 5 Tech position with his current size regardless of his motor.
The only thing I see in him is the 4.25 game glimpse we got with MW as a 3-4 OLB. That's enticing. 5 sacks in 5 games. Just not enticing enough for me at 1.1
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I see him as a sam backer opposite mercy in our base defense. The other 60% of the time in nickle or dime he's an end. In that base defense he's not dropping often but rushing maybe 90% of the time. And really he's a sam in formality only. Line him up all over. RAC could be ubber creative with blitz packages. Jmo.
Allstar
Bona fide
O'Brien said Both Mack and Clowney project as OLBs.
Clowney as a Sam???? Why? The dude has 1 move. Period. He may be an exceptional athlete, but he's a very limited OLD or DE, scheme dependent.
Clowney because he's so light. Mack, because it's his natural position. Looking at Clowney's frame, I'm not sure he can add 20lbs and keep his quickness. He's lanky in the same way TB is lanky.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
I have to agree with DocBar...a 6'5" 266-lbs LB...I just don't see it. For me he would need to add weight (while maintaining speed and motor proportional to his weight) and play opposite JJ Watt with a NT in the middle for a 3-4.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I really think Clowney is stout enough to hold that side and athletic enough to be an olb. My concern about putting him there is coverage on te's or rb's in the flat. I'd try and protect him from that a bit with Cushing talking up most of those responsibilities.
At the end of the day Clowney is not a 3-4 end in a crennel defense. The a question then is are you drafting Clowney to replace reed or mercy?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Yeah,I actually see clowney as a 4-3 lde. His pass rush pressure in college suggest so. His pressures and sacks last yr came vs rt vs lt.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
My thought: we need more LBs that can cover receivers, not more who can't because they are DE/OLB hybrids. If we make Clowney an OLB, he dang sure better be in the backfield a LOT. It sounds like Mario in a 3-4 (and I am not a Mario fan), but it also wreaks of Dom Capers and bad memories.
We have already had a season where Wade ran an awful lot of nickel defense, because we didn't have the coverage guys in the middle.
We have already had a season where Wade ran an awful lot of nickel defense, because we didn't have the coverage guys in the middle.
Then you have no clue what a 3-4 SAM OLB is asked to do in the NFL. Please step away from the keyboard and quit posting immediately.
on the last part. Seriously though, Clowney would make the worst SAM ever. He'd have a 5 minute career. It's just absurd.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Clowney vs Manziel in the 40
That is impressive, but receivers change direction. I'm just sayin'. Has this guy ever been in pass coverage? Can he cover a good pass-catching TE?
I can't believe I'm hearing "Clowney" and "OLB" this late before the draft. I had assumed this guy was a definite DE in any defense. Big enough and quick enough for either. Now he is too small to be a 3-4 DE and has to go to OLB?
So, basically, we are expecting to take a guy #1 overall based on MEASURABLES for a position he doesn't normally play? Yeah, it could work really well, but it's sounding to me like he just became a bigger gamble than Manziel...
You think Clowney can cover???? Don't mistake straight line speed with coverage abilities. Clowney probably couldn't cover you. The dude is all straight line speed. He has nothing else. His speed and bullrush against lesser teams gave him sacks in 2012. Once teams looked at him, he had no bulrush and his speed was easily neutralized. If I have to go D at 1.1, I'll go Barr or Mack. I like Barr's ceiling over Mack's floor. I've gotten over Mack. I'd even seriously consider Mosely. Imagine him next to Cush. WOW!!!
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Then you have no clue what a 3-4 SAM OLB is asked to do in the NFL. Please step away from the keyboard and quit posting immediately.
Ummm, ok. Your plan instead is to put an absurdly gifted athlete at end in a 3-4 defense at 265 lbs and ask him to hold up two offensive linemen so other defenders can make the play? We agree I think, about using him as an end in dime or nickle , but whats your plan for using him in the base defense? Mercy doesn't have the sand to play sam and we're getting zero production from reed.
If you dont agree cool, but how would YOU use him?
My plan for Clowney? I wouldn't draft him. I'd take Barr or Mack. If I didn't think Merci could cut it at Sam, he'd be depth and Reed would stay at Sam. If I thought Merci could cut it at Sam, Reed would move inside and I'd draft LB again in later rounds.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Actually, that was my point. I'm not as sure about his inability to cover as you apparently are, but I wouldn't want to bet the #1 pick on him having that skill (to say the least).
The 1st overall pick is the reason I have questions about Clowney. Top 10, I'm willing to gamble on him. At 1.1, I'll go another direction. The dude has talent, but the pressure of draft position is what I worry about.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Clowney dropped in to coverage 1 time last year and promptly gave up a TD (see bowl game).
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
If you said you'd try Clowney at will and just give up on mercy that would have merit I think , but you take him off your board completely because you don't think we can fit him into our scheme?
Maybe we should both back away from the keyboard.
Valid point. I never said I'd take him off my board completely. Just not at 1.1.
That's the screwed up thing with this draft. I can't find a prospect that's worthy of 1.1. That's why I would be the easiest trade negotiator another GM ever met. I'd say the 1st overall pick is up for sale to the highest bidder and I would take the highest bid.
I'm at the point where I'm hoping we trade down 5 times and pick up a lot of 2nd and 3rd round picks and the only 1st rounder we maybe take is C.J. Mosley
In a very different era. Go back and look at what OL and DL average weights have been through the decades. Silly Yankee.
The only reason anyone thinks Clowney is BPA is because of all the talking heads.
nytexan
Waterboy
Dwight Freeney, 6'1 268
Robert Mathis 6'2 246
Need I go on, size isn't everything, can he get to the QB is what's important.
Well I guess silly isn't as bad as f'n yankee, when I first got here.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Exactly, and while Clowney is a freak, comparing him to one of the all time best de's is unfair. Not to mention smith played in an attacking style wade phillips 3-4 and not the mostly traditional double bubble 3-4 RAC runs.
About 4000 pages ago in this thread I asked twice how Clowney compared to willie mcginist. Willie played the weak side where I think Clowney would do fine. I just wanna keep mercy on the field so id line up Clowney as sam "usually. "
If McGinnist, Ware, and Mario were athletic enough to handle limited coverage responsibilities I see no harm in asking Clowney to do it on the same limited basis. If it doesn't work its not set in stone. Big deal. Move him.
Did Mathis or freeny play 3-4 de?
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Clowneys size is not a concern in my eyes but his desire is. I really hope we can find a trade partner if not and we draft clowney I hope his weak junior season was just a fluke.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Yup! Question his motor, not his scheme fit.