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Texans FO frustrated with Kubiak?
- Thread starter djohn2oo8
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And whose fault is it if the coaches have too much influence on the draft? I believe that would be Smith?
I totally agree that they leave "name" players on the field too long after their production falls off. Kubiak seems to place locker room presence and team chemistry over on field production a lot of times.
I totally agree that they leave "name" players on the field too long after their production falls off. Kubiak seems to place locker room presence and team chemistry over on field production a lot of times.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I agree, but I find it ironic that all the offseason reports were that the front office was mostly responsible for bringing in Ed Reed. Meanwhile, Wade Phillips was responsible for moving Glover Quin to safety, where he did a pretty decent job.
texanhead08
All Pro
I am just as frustrated with Rick Smith's inability to manage the salary cap. If Kubes is gone he needs to be right behind him.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
On my phone so can't paste the link but there's a slightly fuller article on nfl.com which says the frustration is at a lack of in-game rotation, on the dline in particular leading to them being gassed late in games. Teams are beating us on 4th quarter comebacks consistently so it's hard to disagree. Then again how good is the talent behind the starters??
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Dline rotation falls on Kollar and Wade.
texanhead08
All Pro
It should also fall on the GM who supplied the coaches with the players they feel aren't good enough to be on the field.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps you could spend a little time learning about the cap? We are in very good shape and have signed the FAs (ours & others) we wanted for the last two seasons. We should be able to sign any we want this off season within reason.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
are they saying they keep them on the field too long after their production falls off... or are they saying they just keep them on the field too long?
Because there was plenty of times last season and the season before where we could've got starters out of the game and used garbage time to develop other players and build depth. If we did that the #2 QB position could've been solved before camp even started and Foster might have not been ran into the ground like he was.
texanhead08
All Pro
I just don't feel like we have replaced the free agents we have lost with quality players.
2011
Mario
Demeco
Briesel
Winston
2012
Quinn
Casey
Barwin
Texans are a 3-4 with major holes at LB
We have struggled running the ball for 2yrs now in spite of the fact that we have one of the most productive RB tandems in the league. I expect a lot of players to be released this off season and if Smith whiffs on more draft picks we should be in rebuild mode the next couple of years.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I have zero real problems with Rick Smith. That guy has done an amazing job over the years. Of course some moves have panned out and others haven't. This is real life.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I agree with this. The Texans run a 3-4, but have never drafted an impact nose tackle. They are extremely weak at LB for a team that puts an extra one ont he field at any given time. They are weak on OL for a team that is supposedly more run oriented than most others in the NFL. Whatever you think about the talent they let go, it's evident they didn't have a sufficient plan to replace that talent. If you draft guys that work out, you either have to keep them or plan for their replacement. The Texans FO has done a crappy job of that, IMO.
As for the cap ... well, I'll just say that Ed Reed makes about the same as Quin this year, so yeah, that cap number looks great. LOL
The bold is what I was referring to. I misread the twatter post.
I agree with both, though.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Interesting time for this to be published, especially with an organization that rarely has leaks.
Change is coming.
Change is coming.
texanhead08
All Pro
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
At that time the head coach was not coming off of a mini stroke, and there was no criticism of the interim head coach's defensive methods.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Interesting timing, to say the least. There is plenty of blame to go around the entire franchise but I just don't see them letting Kubes go unless it is for purely health reasons...
What exactly is Rick's job?
He's part of the problem, not as much as Gary, but still part of the problem.
The only time Rick has run a draft and went to the combine on his own was the 2010 draft. (Gary decided to skip the combine for an elective surgery. Sleep apnea) The KJ draft, it was a disaster. This is why I've got little faith in Rick's ability to find and procure talent.
Bulls on Parade
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I blame Rick Smith. Shelling out big bucks to extend Matt Schaub, Arian Foster and even Brian Cushing, when he didn't have to. We should have waited until the off-season. If any of them leave then so be it. We've lost good players in free agency before like Mario Williams. Now we have to restructure all of those contracts next off-season. We may release Matt Schaub after June 1.
I told everyone last year, having a smallish NT and no depth on the DL was going to hurt us. But most everyone wanted that elusive #2 WR.
Still having said that I like our options going forward. The early rounds of this coming draft is going to present is with some very interesting choices.
^^^^
This
And I dont think Rick is all of that good at drafting outside the 1st rd. That's why the Texans are so lacking in depth.
If Rick gets credit for UDFA Foster, does he get credit for UDFA Keenum?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Well the "front office" is Rick Smith, so this tells me the owner has somehow told Smith to follow the coaches draft wishes. Which makes a little bit of sense to me in light of the character & injury challenged draft picks that are uncharacteristic of past drafts.
This smells to be as much about Arian Foster's 400+ carries last year as it does about defensive rotation. Both are valid points, imo.
Everybody and their dog said we'd be paying the price for running Foster into the ground.
I remember reading an article where Foster described the UDFA process. He only signed with the Texans because they offered a 2 year contract. It's not like we thought much of him really. I don't doubt Keenum is in the same boat. We look at these guys as JAGs. If they play well, they stay on the PS or if they're lucky on the active roster.
I don't think much thought really goes into it other than we need X running backs, and we need Y LBs and they sign em up.
texanhead08
All Pro
I heard the other day where 20% of the players in the league are UDFA so more than people want to admit teams actually find players this way.
It is interesting... I don't know what to make of it.
Kubiak is the F.O. He can't be frustrated with himself, & even if he were, he's the guy to fix it.
texanhead08
All Pro
This seems a lot like the rumors that came out in 2010. The FO is frustrated with Kubes, but the front office is Rick Smith and Gary hired him. Does this make any sense at all ?
Hervoyel
BUENO!
That's exactly what I thought. For this organization this is how something like this begins. The only leaks the Texans ever have are intentional, planned leaks. I almost feel like I did the week Chris Palmer got sent packing. It's like the frustration is finally getting to the guys who make decisions.
Teams get 7 draft picks a year. with no misses and all re-signs it would take 8 years to fill out the 53 man roster. Pure numbers dictate that low priority positions and depth have to come from somewhere. The true wins in UDFA are getting starters or superstar from the large of junk that is mostly there.
foster is a huge win for the Texans and if he maintains anything close to what he is doing Keenum can be another.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
We need some leaks about Joe Marciano, man.
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Wow ... they are also tired of Cabbage patch dolls , Beanie Babies and hula hoops .
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
PockyAF
Waterboy
Do you remember who reported that?
badboy
Hall of Fame
This what I am talking about, fans making claims without giving entire picture. Reed's
2014 cap hit is $3.2 m BUT he can be cut after 2013 season with only $1.3 m dead money opening up about $4 m in cap savings. He was a risk but a relatively cheap one.
Quin 2014 base is only $1 million BECAUSE he also got a signing bonus of $5.25 m giving him $6.25 in his pocket; cap just over $2 million. 2014 & 2015 his cap hit jumps to $5 m but has $6.25 m dead money if cut after 2013 and $4.2 m dead money after 2014.
Quin had 85 T 2010 77 T 2011 and 84 T in 2012 as a Texan.
In 2013 with Detroit Quin has 28 tackles in 8 games that project to 56, his worst ever season. He does have 2 INTs. Reed in two less games has 16 tackles. No I am not pleased with Reed but Quin does not thrill me either.
I was not a Posey fan but fair to say if he had not been injured, we probably would not have drafted Hopkins. We now have seemingly a very good group of receivers. I too want a big Nose and a ILB and have mocked them. However with the other needs, Texans have gone at those needs rather than what you and I want. Team did this with Oline using a 7th on Newton and this addresses your first comment about OL. Texans are not just a run team and the players selected have to play well in this ZBS. Those guys are usually not first rounders. Where would we be if Newton, Brennan Williams and Q had not been injured? Just part of the game.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Rick is a GM in much the same way Scott Pioli was a GM to Bill Belichick. Belichick trusted Pioli to do the things that Belichick needed him to do. Like Belichick, Gary Kubiak has final say on the 53 man roster. Unlike Belichick, Kubiak can't manage the salary cap or organize a draft. So to answer your question it is Rick's job to do whatever it is Gary needs him to do. Whatever Rick does , he does with Kubiak's blessing. I don't believe it was a coincidence that Rick was asst GM in Denver and knew how Gary wanted things to run before being hired by Houston.
So if the front office is truly angry, they're angry at Smubiak.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I wish they would. All I can do is tweet at the official Texans Twitter incessantly. Fans in the stadium should chant. They probably don't even know his NAME.
Naija Texan
Waterboy
Not sure if that is what they meant but I agree. Based on history the only ways for a young player to see significant time on the field, are being a high draft pick at a position of need, injury or being a guy who they really like.
We have no rotation at OLB (Reed and Mercilus are rarely moved out unless injured or garbage time), with Cushing out, it seems like we won't have one at ILB even though Sharpton and Mays both are spotty at coverage duties and before injuries to Schaub, Martin along with our main RBs and Keenum being elevated, Jean and Posey weren't even getting targeted on the field in most cases.
Brice McCain has been horrible but he still gets put out as the nickle corner and in more then a few games is the one who gets targeted.
If I was a front office guy, who brings in talented guys that may or may not get consideration over vets they are better then I'd be frustrated with the coaching too for ignoring guys I thought would help the team for their personal favorites and projects.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It might have to do with him being a single Dad with an autistic son. And Joe is not just a good guy in the community he's a great guy in the community. So it's kind of hard to hate on Joe Marciano. IMHO I think Bob McNair has taking a special liking to Joe Marciano.
Wolf
100% Texan
I think the consensus at the time was "Great Job Rick!" on all three signings.
No one expected Matt to become a turnover machine and complete go Jamarcus Russell on the field. ESP after romo getting his hugh payday
Getting foster and Brian signed was a good thing to keep them locked up ESP with watts contract coming up. No one forecasted foster getting banged up all year and or even Cushing getting his knees taken out.
But hindsight is 20/20
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
Rick Smith is getting paid millions of dollars to do his job. If he just went with the general consensus, he's way overpaid, because we could just bring in an average-Joe Texans fan to do the job.
I don't care if it was popular at the time. All I care about is results, and I didn't see that from Rick Smith.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I don't think there is a gm in the nfl that tells the coaching staff how they must handle gameday player rotation.
I agree with the primary criticism. I just don't see a functional organization having a gm with that level of input... Though, it is a perfectly reasonable conversation and issue to address with coaching staff privately... Just not to demand.
I agree with the primary criticism. I just don't see a functional organization having a gm with that level of input... Though, it is a perfectly reasonable conversation and issue to address with coaching staff privately... Just not to demand.
Wolf
100% Texan
Again, if not for injuries..we wouldnt be discussing this ( these three players) well edit. Schaub just went AWOL