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[Carr Bombed]

I don't agree with stop following the team or moving the team but I find it funny how you say us 'sunshiners' are the ones calling people names yet that is all you do in this very post.

I rarely result to name calling and didn't do so, I merely make an observation from my experience with other fans. That is that they are generally impatient. I never called you impatient or anyone else.

I really don't understand sometimes why there is such a division on this board. Like you must pick a side when most everyone would like Kubiak and Smith replaced. But since some of us don't spit the same vitriol they are 'sunshiners' shame on the fans that aren't jumping off the wagon after losing the first game.

Yeah I do call people names...after i'm insulted and have people call me names first and frankly when someone tries to tell me how I don't "deserve" a team, are too "impatient", or how we don't "support" a team that I (and fans everywhere) have loyalty supported for a freaking decade, I find that insulting. It is by far the stupidest and most moronic thing ever written on this board. Guess what, when someone says something that stupid, people are going to call them on it.

 

[Vinny]

The only part of your post that was relevant.

I could honestly care less if you want to be a so-called "grissled, cynical skeptic" (kinda' redundant, 'eh?), or a cheerleader with rainbows shooting out of your butt.

The fact that you try to go postal on fans who are not quite as satisfied with perpetual mediocrity as you seem to be says a lot about your mentality more than anything else.

Do you know what a top 10 offense that can't win games gets at the end of the season?

Oakland, Houston, SD, NY Giants, and Dallas had top 10 offenses last season. You know what else they have in common? None of those teams made the playoffs.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

exactly why they want change...nothing has changed. Kubiak took over a 6-10 team and 4 years later we have....a 6-10 team. Nothing has changed. exactamundo

Having smiling faces on billboards or swell guys as coach is killing us . When was Drew Brees signed by the Saints ? When was Aaron Rodgers drafted by Green Bay ? Who has been head coach the longest Kubiak , McCarthy , or Payton . How long should it take for a franchise to get going ? How long can you sit there with 14 and not take another card ?

 

[fiasco west]

Yeah I do call people names...after i'm insulted and have people call me names first and frankly when someone tries to tell me how I don't "deserve" a team or how we don't "support" a team that I (and fans everywhere) have loyalty supported for a freaking decade, I find that insulting. It is by far the stupidest and most moronic thing ever written on this board. Guess what, when someone says something that stupid, people are going to call them on it.

Well I agree with you on that.

All the 'This city doesn't deserve the team' or us not supporting the team is BS.
I think fans are the last ones that should take the blame for the Texans failures. The fans here are eager to create a tradition here but the Texans always give them nothing to be happy about.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Damn I'm beginning to think the Texans' P.R. department is bank rolling some of the posters here. I've never seen people so willing to defend failure in my life.

I'm telling you, this has to be the case. It's the only thing that explains some of the delusion around here.

 

[Double Barrel]

Oakland, Houston, SD, NY Giants, and Dallas had top 10 offenses last season. You know what else they have in common? None of those teams made the playoffs.

There ya' go again you...you...balloon popper!

 

[ObsiWan]

A reasonable view is Kubiak can't coach, Schaub can't QB, and we lose games in the 4th quarter.

You wanna know what the turning point to yesterday was? Going for it on 4th down instead of kicking the field goal. That 3 points would have changed the mentality of the game from top to bottom.

Who doesn't take points when you are on the road? Especially against the Ravens.

Now this is a post I can respect; and even agree with.
This is football talk.

I'm in total agreement with you because I was scratching my head when they decided to go for it. I mean, damn, it was still early in the game, midway the 2nd qtr as I recall, and we were only down one score, so why not get the points on the road?

I was thinking, "Okay, here's where we spring that play where Foster fakes the plunge into the line while O.D. sneaks into the end zone scott free like he did against the Steelers. This is gonna be great", I thought. We pull off a little bit of trickeration right here and that should take some of the aggressiveness out of their defense.

I don't know which I'm pissed about more, not taking the points or the play that was called. No. It's the play call. If they had tried the play action fake into the line and O.D. was covered, I'd could see that. But to run right at the best D-line in the AFC?

...and that early in the game?

Dumb.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Now this is a post I can respect; and even agree with.
This is football talk.

I'm in total agreement with you because I was scratching my head when they decided to go for it. I mean, damn, it was still early in the game, midway the 2nd qtr as I recall, and we were only down one score, so why not get the points on the road?

I was thinking, "Okay, here's where we spring that play where Foster fakes the plunge into the line while O.D. sneaks into the end zone scott free like he did against the Steelers. This is gonna be great", I thought. We pull off a little bit of trickeration right here and that should take some of the aggressiveness out of their defense.

I don't know which I'm pissed about more, not taking the points or the play that was called. No. It's the play call. If they had tried the play action fake into the line and O.D. was covered, I'd could see that. But to run right at the best D-line in the AFC?

...and that early in the game?

Dumb.

It's a reoccurring theme with this HC.

 

[ObsiWan]

I thought it was ballsy.

As I said in another post, I wasn't as pissed about the decision to go for it as I was about the decision to try and embarrass the Ravens in their own house by running it up the middle. Up to that point we hadn't gained more than 3 yds a pop - mostly 1 or "no gain" - on the ground.

I was expecting a fake plunge then toss to Dreessen or O.D. like we did to the Steelers.

 

[thunderkyss]

As I said in another post, I wasn't as pissed about the decision to go for it as I was about the decision to try and embarrass the Ravens in their own house by running it up the middle. Up to that point we hadn't gained more than 3 yds a pop - mostly 1 or "no gain" - on the ground.

I was expecting a fake plunge then toss to Dreessen or O.D. like we did to the Steelers.

Same.... didn't care for the mano y mano play. Expected a little trickeration (as you said).

 

[Runner]

Frankly I'd have been happy with the field goal OR going for it. Three fairly probable points would have been nice. However, going for it and putting some fire in the offense (had they made it) was worth the risk too.

I can't just point to one play and say, "There! Bad coaching" to support my belief Kubiak is holding the team back. It is the past five years in total that indicate to me the team lacks direction (a leadership function) and is not improving in one area without regressing in another.

 

[steelbtexan]

The most troubling the is Garys teams only play 2qtrs of football at most.

 

[Carr Bombed]

The most troubling the is Garys teams only play 2qtrs of football at most.

Yep and unlike last season...we know which half they don't show up for. Last season you didn't know if this team was going to disappear in the first half or the second half...well this season it has exclusively been the second half. Their 2nd half scoring differential has been a absolute joke and is embarrassing.. All of that can be chalked up to halftime adjustments which reflects squarely on the head coach.

 

[gary]

Fans have coach Phillips to look forward to next year.

 

[Lucky]

It is the past five years in total that indicate to me the team lacks direction (a leadership function) and is not improving in one area without regressing in another.

Yep and unlike last season...we know which half they don't show up for. Last season you didn't know if this team was going to disappear in the first half or the second half...well this season it has exclusively been the second half. Their 2nd half scoring differential has been a absolute joke and is embarrassing.. All of that can be chalked up to halftime adjustments which reflects squarely on the head coach.

Last year, the Texans averaged around 8 points in the 1st half, 16 in the 2nd. It's been reversed this season, with 16 points in the opening half, 7 after halftime. Fix one thing, something else breaks. What remains the same is that this team floats around the .500 mark.

 

[Maddict5]

you are the one who brought up Kubiak not kicking the FG because of the fans being upset. Now I remember why I didn't engage with you previously. You are kinda incoherent. I'll leave you be.

ha i never said anything about kubiak going for it because of the fans.
seriouly my post is below since you seem to have trouble remembering. where did i say that? i said the whiners wouldve whined if he had kicked the fg there so. thats all.

like rackers 42 yd fg indoor at home v the raiders?

i love it. garunteed if we kick that fg and lose ppl would be bitching that kubiaks lack of balls by not going for it there cost us the game

also nvm that we got the ball straight back after that failed fg on the fumble recovery and scored a td. ya that was the turning pt that there was no coming back from

Id call you the incoherent one but i see what you're doing. always changing the subject, even making up fake arguments im supposedly making, cos you cant back up what we're already posting about. thats why you'll leave me be. go back to your 'everything sucks' tug party. no questions asked there

 

[HTown2ATX]

Fans have coach Phillips to look forward to next year.

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[TdotTexas2Step]

Just want to say that I support the logic of taking the 3 in that situation.

However, I'm thinking Kubiak wanted to go for it because of a couple reasons:

1. Our offense was struggling to stay on schedule. And when that happens against the Ravens, you're going to be in trouble. Too many 3rd and long scenarios. Approaching the redzone, maybe they wanted to get another set of downs to see if they could capitalize on 7.

2. Baltimores' first drive was flawless. Yes, we got to Flacco a bunch of times, but make no mistake about it, Baltimore was confident in what they wanted to accomplish.

3. Both teams were conducting long drives. Baltimore doing it the more comfortable way, while we did it by converting on a few 3rd and longs. With Baltimore getting the ball at half, perhaps the possibility of being down 14-3 at half was deemed concerning.


Again, I too would have gone for 3, but after thinking about it, there are a couple "logical" reasons as to why they went for it.

 

[Texecutioner]

this town doesnt deserve a team, this fan base is terrible....

THis is the kind of thing that is just laughable "support the coach at all cost even over the team" rhetoric. It's obvious at this point that anyone who would suggest stuff like this is more of a fan Kubiak than they are of the actual franchise and the team. The Texans franchise is one of the most successful franchises in all of sports throughout all of these bad years that were very embarrassing in a lot of ways, and the fans are still here and rooting them on, even when they know the HC is their downfall. You're here at every turn to dispell any fact or piece of history and try to paint it as something else as if it didn't happen, and lash out at fans that are actually invested in this team. There is two fundamental differences here. You guys root for a coach, while others root for a team.

QFT. Would be hilarious to see the team moved elsewhere. Hell, even LA would support a team better than Houston.

And this statement says everything I need to know about what you want and support. Fans criticize a HC in his 6th season, and for that you'd like to see the team get moved. That's you in a nutshell.

 

[El Tejano]

All we're doing is spinning our wheels in the mud with this guy.. in the meantime Andre Johnson's brilliant career is being absolutely wasted. Gary Kubiak is our Wayne Fontes...and that's a insult to Wayne fontes.

Hey, leave me alone. Why you bringing up my name in this? I wasn't hurting anyone!

Signed,

Wayne Fontes

 

[Vinny]

All we're doing is spinning our wheels in the mud with this guy.. in the meantime Andre Johnson's brilliant career is being absolutely wasted. Gary Kubiak is our Wayne Fontes...and that's a insult to Wayne fontes.

I see more of a Marty Mornhinweg. Offensive guru, clueless defensively, teams couldn't "finish" because they were always putting out fires and the teams were not situationally aware. Always the smartest guy in the room.

One of the greatest moments in recent NFL history occurred on November 24, 2002, when the Detroit Lions battled the Chicago Bears for 60 minutes, only have the score knotted at 17. Erstwhile Lions coach Marty Mornhinweg sent out his team captain with one instruction--no matter what happens with the coin toss, take the wind. The Lions won the toss, took the wind, and all of America was stunned. The Lions went on to lose in OT. Since then, no coach has ever taken the wind.

 

[HTown2ATX]

THis is the kind of thing that is just laughable "support the coach at all cost even over the team" rhetoric. It's obvious at this point that anyone who would suggest stuff like this is more of a fan Kubiak than they are of the actual franchise and the team. The Texans franchise is one of the most successful franchises in all of sports throughout all of these bad years that were very embarrassing in a lot of ways, and the fans are still here and rooting them on, even when they know the HC is their downfall. You're here at every turn to dispell any fact or piece of history and try to paint it as something else as if it didn't happen, and lash out at fans that are actually invested in this team. There is two fundamental differences here. You guys root for a coach, while others root for a team.




And this statement says everything I need to know about what you want and support. Fans criticize a HC in his 6th season, and for that you'd like to see the team get moved. That's you in a nutshell.

hahaha....when people post that kind of stuff you just have to envision it as like a Laurel and Hardy or 3 Stooges skit where someone slips on a banana peel and you hear the old slide whistle.....it's just so bad it's funny!!

 

[Mr teX]

THis is the kind of thing that is just laughable "support the coach at all cost even over the team" rhetoric. It's obvious at this point that anyone who would suggest stuff like this is more of a fan Kubiak than they are of the actual franchise and the team. The Texans franchise is one of the most successful franchises in all of sports throughout all of these bad years that were very embarrassing in a lot of ways, and the fans are still here and rooting them on, even when they know the HC is their downfall. You're here at every turn to dispell any fact or piece of history and try to paint it as something else as if it didn't happen, and lash out at fans that are actually invested in this team. There is two fundamental differences here. You guys root for a coach, while others root for a team.




And this statement says everything I need to know about what you want and support. Fans criticize a HC in his 6th season, and for that you'd like to see the team get moved. That's you in a nutshell.

Once again...shut up trying to pyschoanalyze my posts b/c your reading comprehension is still pretty freakin' awful. Nowhere in any of my posts over the last umpteen whatever will you find anything that has me supporting Gary Kubiak as our head coach anymore. Nowhere. What you will find is support for OUR TEAM REGARDLESS OF WHO OUR HC IS. That's a big difference buddy. See unlike you & a few others, i want to see this team successful regardless of the situation, whereas your bum ass just chooses to basically give up & have this defeatist attitude. & why? b/c you didn't get your way the past few offseasons.

Instead of coming in here every week whining about what our team won't do with him as HC, i choose to come in here and talk about what our team can do despite him. I'm sorry, that doesn't meet your criteria for super duper fandom. Either way though, you can kiss my ass if you don't like what i have to say.

 

[BigBull17]

How are you a shitty fan to not like one of the worst head coaches in the NFL? He is awful. I cannot think of a worse coach. Maybe Del Rio, but he would be better here. They have no talent.

 

[HTown2ATX]

Once again...shut up trying to pyschoanalyze my posts b/c your reading comprehension is still pretty freakin' awful. Nowhere in any of my posts over the last umpteen whatever will you find anything that has me supporting Gary Kubiak as our head coach anymore. Nowhere. What you will find is support for OUR TEAM REGARDLESS OF WHO OUR HC IS. That's a big difference buddy. See unlike you & a few others, i want to see this team successful regardless of the situation, whereas your bum ass just chooses to basically give up & have this defeatist attitude. & why? b/c you didn't get your way the past few offseasons.

Instead of coming in here every week whining about what our team won't do with him as HC, i choose to come in here and talk about what our team can do despite him. I'm sorry, that doesn't meet your criteria for super duper fandom. Either way though, you can kiss my ass if you don't like what i have to say.

It's cool with me if you are more of a half glass full guy in regards to the team aside from the coach. But comments like.....

this town doesnt deserve a team, this fan base is terrible....

......Comes off as more than just supporting the team through thick and thin. I don't think anyone here wants to see the Texans lose, I sure as hell don't, but I'm not going to not call out the team, coach, owner as I see it.

 

[Mr teX]

It's cool with me if you are more of a half glass full guy in regards to the team aside from the coach. But comments like.....



......Comes off as more than just supporting the team through thick and thin. I don't think anyone here wants to see the Texans lose, I sure as hell don't, but I'm not going to not call out the team, coach, owner as I see it.

It's never been about supporting kubiak with me, it's been more about winning whatever the situation....period.

& I'm not so sure about this bolded part simply b/c i just heard Granato & some other co-host on 1560 discussing this very topic this morning i believe with a caller....

"my fear is that the texans back into the playoffs this year as a result of a terrible division & we retain the same mediocore/garbage coaching staff."

Later, on 790, the exact same day, matt & adam had a caller that brought up the exact same topic & to me, that's just terrible.

As if to say our playoff appearance wouldn't count just b/c we're in a garbage division. Yet when people talk of these great coaches around the league that they'd take over Kubiak b/c they made the playoffs or have seemingly turned their teams around (morris, schwartz, harbaugh even sparano a few years back) none of that is brought up...the bottom line is u beat who is in front of you & however you get in doesn't matter.

Then it seems these days that every single damn thread that pops up, the topic gets turned into a "kubiak is ****" conversation. Ditto for the sports radio around here. This town's fans have become 1 tracked & infatuated with getting rid of our terrible HC...even if it means to miss out on accomplishing something we've yet to do...Imo its rivaling the Reggie Bush/VY/Mario nonsense from 2006 - 08.

maybe that was too strong of statement, but from someone on the outside looking in, what would you think besides the obvious "they really hate their coach don't they"?

 

[HTown2ATX]

It's never been about supporting kubiak with me, it's been more about winning whatever the situation....period.

& I'm not so sure about this bolded part simply b/c i just heard Granato & some other co-host on 1560 discussing this very topic this morning i believe with a caller....

"my fear is that the texans back into the playoffs this year as a result of a terrible division & we retain the same mediocore/garbage coaching staff."

Later, on 790, the exact same day, matt & adam had a caller that brought up the exact same topic & to me, that's just terrible.

As if to say our playoff appearance wouldn't count just b/c we're in a garbage division. Yet when people talk of these great coaches around the league that they'd take over Kubiak b/c they made the playoffs or have seemingly turned their teams around (morris, schwartz, harbaugh even sparano a few years back) none of that is brought up...the bottom line is u beat who is in front of you & however you get in doesn't matter.

Then it seems these days that every single damn thread that pops up, the topic gets turned into a "kubiak is ****" conversation. Ditto for the sports radio around here. This town's fans have become 1 tracked & infatuated with getting rid of our terrible HC...even if it means to miss out on accomplishing something we've yet to do...Imo its rivaling the Reggie Bush/VY/Mario nonsense from 2006 - 08.

maybe that was too strong of statement, but from someone on the outside looking in, what would you think besides the obvious "they really hate their coach don't they"?

Well, people who would rather not make the playoffs at all to get rid of Kubiak, that is ridiculous IMO and obviously so. I want to make the playoffs BUT I will say that should we back into it by beating only shitty teams in a shitty division, I don't have much faith that we would win a game in the playoffs and I would like to get there and win, not just get there you know. The goal is a Super Bowl at some point.

So I can see the fear in basically getting a ticket to the playoffs basically as a default division winner only b/c we didn't suck as bad as the other teams in the division and then getting creamed and Kubiak staying. Because let's face it, McNair is looking for ANY reason to keep Kubiak and you know he is, deep down we all know it.

Having said that, I will state right now that I want to get to the playoffs and win NOW! But Kubiak should have been long gone years ago and I fear will continue to be an albatross around the Texans necks.

 

[Texecutioner]

Once again...shut up trying to pyschoanalyze my posts b/c your reading comprehension is still pretty freakin' awful. Nowhere in any of my posts over the last umpteen whatever will you find anything that has me supporting Gary Kubiak as our head coach anymore. Nowhere. What you will find is support for OUR TEAM REGARDLESS OF WHO OUR HC IS. That's a big difference buddy. See unlike you & a few others, i want to see this team successful regardless of the situation, whereas your bum ass just chooses to basically give up & have this defeatist attitude. & why? b/c you didn't get your way the past few offseasons.

Instead of coming in here every week whining about what our team won't do with him as HC, i choose to come in here and talk about what our team can do despite him. I'm sorry, that doesn't meet your criteria for super duper fandom. Either way though, you can kiss my ass if you don't like what i have to say.

You said that fans in this city don't even deserve a winner, so there really is nothing you can come back with at this point to justify yourself as a Texans fan. You have a bitter hatred for the HOuston Texans fan base to even suggest something like that, and the only reason you're doing it is because people are complaining about the coach who continues to fail, so spare me with the bullshit about not supporting the coach when there are dozens of posts for several years now where you have blindly done that, screamed at people and been dead wrong in the end at what you claimed they shouldn't have complained about or criticized. You're so bitter about it now that you're suggesting that fans don't even deserve a winner here after nothing but losing seasons that were full potential. Some of them any way. So find another team to root for or another fan base to align yourself with then. No one asked you to chime into Carr Bombed's thread in the first place. You went there on your own to spit fire against those who were unhappy about the way this team is being ran.

 

[TheMatrix31]

How are you a shitty fan to not like one of the worst head coaches in the NFL? He is awful. I cannot think of a worse coach. Maybe Del Rio, but he would be better here. They have no talent.

Kubiak is a bad coach, but if you think he's the worst head coach in the NFL, then you're not very bright. Sorry.

Sparano, Fox, Del Rio just to name a few. Not to mention all these random guys like "Pat Shurmur" who's already being run out of Cleveland. Todd Haley is a bad coach (don't anyone DARE give me bullshit about Charles/Berry being out), Lovie Smith has been to the NFCC and a Super Bowl but talk to any Bears fan and they hate him, his game management, and want him out. Marvin Lewis has led a team of straight up idiots and criminals despite his couple years of "success". Other than that, he's been a complete failure and he's been around since like 2002. He's much better as a coordinator. Steve Spagnuolo is a bad coach too.

So Kubiak is definitely not a top-tier coach, and he's not the guy to take our team to the level we want to go to, and he should have been fired after 2009 Failures, but please, good lord, let's not say stupid ****.

 

[Rey]

Kubiak is a bad coach, but if you think he's the worst head coach in the NFL, then you're not very bright. Sorry.

Sparano, Fox, Del Rio just to name a few. Not to mention all these random guys like "Pat Shurmur" who's already being run out of Cleveland. Todd Haley is a bad coach (don't anyone DARE give me bullshit about Charles/Berry being out), Lovie Smith has been to the NFCC and a Super Bowl but talk to any Bears fan and they hate him, his game management, and want him out. Marvin Lewis has led a team of straight up idiots and criminals despite his couple years of "success". Other than that, he's been a complete failure and he's been around since like 2002. He's much better as a coordinator. Steve Spagnuolo is a bad coach too.

So Kubiak is definitely not a top-tier coach, and he's not the guy to take our team to the level we want to go to, and he should have been fired after 2009 Failures, but please, good lord, let's not say stupid ****.

The quote says one of the worst?

What are you reading?

 

[steelbtexan]

Kubiak is a bad coach, but if you think he's the worst head coach in the NFL, then you're not very bright. Sorry.

Sparano, Fox, Del Rio just to name a few. Not to mention all these random guys like "Pat Shurmur" who's already being run out of Cleveland. Todd Haley is a bad coach (don't anyone DARE give me bullshit about Charles/Berry being out), Lovie Smith has been to the NFCC and a Super Bowl but talk to any Bears fan and they hate him, his game management, and want him out. Marvin Lewis has led a team of straight up idiots and criminals despite his couple years of "success". Other than that, he's been a complete failure and he's been around since like 2002. He's much better as a coordinator. Steve Spagnuolo is a bad coach too.

So Kubiak is definitely not a top-tier coach, and he's not the guy to take our team to the level we want to go to, and he should have been fired after 2009 Failures, but please, good lord, let's not say stupid ****.

Yet, all of the HC's you've mentioned have taken over bad teams and made the playoffs. Except Spags and a 1st yr guy Shurmur.

After 6 yrs we're still waiting and hoping that this is the yr Gary will lead his kids to the playoffs. So is Gary really a better HC than the HC's that you listed.

 

[steelbtexan]

Is it really wrong for the fans to question the three stooges? (BoBBy,Rick,Gary) After 6 yrs of failure?

Mr. Tex you've got it wrong. Texans fans are very loyal (Check out the Forbes list of most valuable sports franchises) They're just getting tired of SOS every yr and BoBBy blowing smoke up their butts.

 

[gary]

I am just afraid of a huge player turnover with a new coach and there does not have to be.

 

[Vinny]

I am just afraid of a huge player turnover with a new coach and there does not have to be.

don't worry, we no longer have an expansion team quality roster...we actually have some talent. You only need to clean house when you have a lot of garbage laying around.

 

[gary]

I have not thought the players are the problem for awhile.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Yet, all of the HC's you've mentioned have taken over bad teams and made the playoffs. Except Spags and a 1st yr guy Shurmur.

After 6 yrs we're still waiting and hoping that this is the yr Gary will lead his kids to the playoffs. So is Gary really a better HC than the HC's that you listed.

Yep. All you have to do is watch their games to know why I say they're still worse despite having playoff appearances in years past.

Just like how even if Kubiak gets into the payoffs this year, he'll still be a bad coach.

Hell, Norv Turner gets into the playoffs but he's a BAD coach who Charger fans ****ing loathe.

 

[Lucky]

...but please, good lord, let's not say stupid ****.

Saying that Kubiak is a better head coach than Lewis, Lovie, Fox, Haley, or Del Rio is about as stupid as it gets. All have accomplished more than Kubiak. All of them. But hey, don't let facts get in the way when labeling something stupid.

 

[TheMatrix31]

That doesn't mean the slightest **** when you're talking the state of those teams right now. And in the case of a guy like Fox who's only been there this year, look no further than what happened on his way out in Carolina.

If anything, if you want to talk about state right now, then Lewis is the best off. After 8 years of leading criminals and misfits and finally waking up to get better players.

 

[DexmanC]

That doesn't mean the slightest **** when you're talking the state of those teams right now. And in the case of a guy like Fox who's only been there this year, look no further than what happened on his way out in Carolina.

If anything, if you want to talk about state right now, then Lewis is the best off. After 8 years of leading criminals and misfits and finally waking up to get better players.

You're only using the "state of right now" to defend Kubiak. Your defense
of Kubiak, and the reason why, is the real question.

I'm a Texans fan, and can clearly see Kubiak is the main hinderance
to my team's success. I simply do not understand the fanatic defense
of Gary Kubiak's tenure with this team.

 

[Mr teX]

Is it really wrong for the fans to question the three stooges? (BoBBy,Rick,Gary) After 6 yrs of failure?

Mr. Tex you've got it wrong. Texans fans are very loyal (Check out the Forbes list of most valuable sports franchises) They're just getting tired of SOS every yr and BoBBy blowing smoke up their butts.

Geezus....people keep bringing this up like it means a whole lot in the scope of fandom & it really doesn't. All it takes into account are those fans who spend money on the franchise & that's it. what about those that don't have the money to but still root for the team as feverishly as the one who holds a PSL? IOW, fans like me.

But for the sake of argument, lets use you & apparently a few others' logic in here. So, the texans being ranked as the 10th most profitable franchise in the world means that our fan base is better than the phillies @ 50, the lakers @ 48, the cubs @ 42 & the boston freakin' red sox @ 31.... I think we know the answer to this....a resounding no. If it was so great, we'd be seeing "ESPN Houston" u know, like the above named teams have. Furthermore, texans fans are pretty animated, but no where near as passionate & rabid red sox fans.

Yes, the fans have an impact on how profitable a franchise is but it's just 1 piece to the puzzle folks. Besides, this list taken back in 2008 isn't so complimentary & we haven't changed much since from a W-L perspective to change anything.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview08/columns/story?id=3549147

 

[Kthx]

• Stadium factor (St.): Loud? Great atmosphere?
• Live and die factor (LDF): Fans take loss hard? (That's a good thing.)
• Traveling road show factor (Travel): Big presence in other guys' stadium?
• Loyalty when team sucks (Loyal): You score points with us if you stick with a loser.
• Hate factor (Hate): Other teams' fans dislike your fans? (Hate is good in our book.)
• Tailgate factor (TG): Home tailgates sizzling or stale?
• Home fans' creativity (CF): Wacky ideas … or not?

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Yeah but that article.. I mean its like in preseason when the Texans got ranked 30th in "uniforms" by some clothing designer.. who cares.

I don't think any computer program can realistically state how good a teams fans are. Oh man the signs and outfits we wear to games are a 3 we suck.

 

[Mr teX]

• Stadium factor (St.): Loud? Great atmosphere?
• Live and die factor (LDF): Fans take loss hard? (That's a good thing.)
• Traveling road show factor (Travel): Big presence in other guys' stadium?
• Loyalty when team sucks (Loyal): You score points with us if you stick with a loser.
• Hate factor (Hate): Other teams' fans dislike your fans? (Hate is good in our book.)
• Tailgate factor (TG): Home tailgates sizzling or stale?
• Home fans' creativity (CF): Wacky ideas … or not?

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Yeah but that article.. I mean its like in preseason when the Texans got ranked 30th in "uniforms" by some clothing designer.. who cares.

I don't think any computer program can realistically state how good a teams fans are. Oh man the signs and outfits we wear to games are a 3 we suck.

I agree...which is why the whole forbes list argument is weak. Steeler fans came in here & straight took over reliant stadium......twice. a great fans doesn't let that happen under any circumstances.

VY playing for a rival team, running a game winning TD in to beat us & what do many fans in attendance do? Cheer. that's not what great fan bases do. The minute that bum put on a titans jersey he should've been public enemy #1 for all texans fans.

 

[silvrhand]

Hey guys what's going on in this thread..

- more throwing KJ under the bus
- more arguing about how much Gary sucks
- more arguing

 

[Grams]

Hey guys what's going on in this thread..

- more throwing KJ under the bus
- more arguing about how much Gary sucks
- more arguing

That is what goes on in every thread at some point.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Geezus....people keep bringing this up like it means a whole lot in the scope of fandom & it really doesn't. All it takes into account are those fans who spend money on the franchise & that's it. what about those that don't have the money to but still root for the team as feverishly as the one who holds a PSL? IOW, fans like me.

But for the sake of argument, lets use you & apparently a few others' logic in here. So, the texans being ranked as the 10th most profitable franchise in the world means that our fan base is better than the phillies @ 50, the lakers @ 48, the cubs @ 42 & the boston freakin' red sox @ 31.... I think we know the answer to this....a resounding no. If it was so great, we'd be seeing "ESPN Houston" u know, like the above named teams have. Furthermore, texans fans are pretty animated, but no where near as passionate & rabid red sox fans.

Yes, the fans have an impact on how profitable a franchise is but it's just 1 piece to the puzzle folks. Besides, this list taken back in 2008 isn't so complimentary & we haven't changed much since from a W-L perspective to change anything.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview08/columns/story?id=3549147

Agree with your point, but don't put Laker fans in there. The Lakers have the most illiterate, unintelligent, frustratingly infuriating fanbase out there. They are awful, clueless, and delusional. They don't know anything about the sport, and most "root" for the Lakers because its the trend. The worst and most insufferable fanbase in North American professional sports, and I don't think it's even close.

 

[Kthx]

Dunno.. don't you have Saints fans in your part of Houston? Nothing like finding out 1/4 of Houston were Saints Fans and having to see random cars all over the place all start having saints flag antenna balls and stuff.

 

[gary]

The Texans have the players to win now hopefully by the time they are ready to fire Gary and Rick these players won't be too old to do anything.

 

[Lucky]

First, let me remind everyone to not get personal. Comment on the topic. Attack the post, not the poster.

That doesn't mean the slightest **** when you're talking the state of those teams right now. And in the case of a guy like Fox who's only been there this year, look no further than what happened on his way out in Carolina.

Fox took the Panthers to the playoffs 3 times in 9 seasons. They went to the Super Bowl in his 2nd season as head coach. And he absolutely deserved to get the axe we he got it. Good coaches get fired, as well as bad coaches. Then, there's the Kurious Kase of Kubiak....

 

[TheMatrix31]

Yep. Exactly what I'm saying. Just because a coach has spotty success doesn't mean much if you look at how they or their teams are doing right now.

As for Kubiak, well, I can only shake my head. I'm sure he'll get another HC job after a while, but he might have to go back to being OC for a bit.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Where's all the people who bashed posters for wanting to run Kubiak out of town at now? Here we are again playing .500 football.


You can change everything about this team and it will not matter....one thing is always consistent. Kubiak will find ways to lose and this team will play uninspired football under him. Just for argument sake, lets all agree this team will still make the playoffs in this weak ass division.. What will it matter? The teams that Kubaik can't beat are the same teams that we will be playing in the playoffs and Peyton will be back again next year.

All we're doing is spinning our wheels in the mud with this guy.. in the meantime Andre Johnson's brilliant career is being absolutely wasted. Gary Kubiak is our Wayne Fontes...and that's a insult to Wayne fontes.

C'mon man!! You're better than that! Or so I thought.

Going into this season and looking at the schedule, I had us 4-2 (at best) and 3-3 (at worst). My swing game was the Raiders game (yes, I had us beating Pitt) because unlike myopic NFL fans I knew the Raiders weren't that bad.

Oh well, it's no wonder I haven't been posting much lately.