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my friends always ask me why the texans stick so long with a coach with no playoff win or even a playoff appearance.

i just say i don't know...i just don't know
 
Maddict5 said:
fitting of the thread probably....

but now never even said you dont deserve a team. you must have me confused with someone else (see that was easy- no 8 paragraph rant) ;)
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Well you're jumping on that side of the argument with your "the fans don't show up early enough" argument so what's your point...you might as well have said that, since you're essentially defending it. Please stop trying to blow smoke up my rear end, everybody knew the point you were trying to get across :rolleyes:


Oh P.S.

While we're on the subject of "pointing out things nobody said", please show me where I ever typed a 8 paragraph ran ;) That was also easy.
 
Could it be that Dennison is a problem? I think I enjoyed Baby Shanahan a little better as an offensive coordinator. I'd have to think about it more. Seems like the offense--the running game excluded--has taken quite the dive with him as OC.

I feel like his name could maybe be thrown in with blaming Kubiak and Smith.
 
Carr Bombed said:
You seriously don't have a clue of what you're talking about...the random message board talk that happens here...you know like the stuff you mentioned above. You are delusional if you think that same stuff doesn't happen on 31 other forums in this league. Damn i guess the NFL might as well close up shop, because there isn't a city in this league that deserves a team now.
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I never said anything about any other city. I am talking about THIS city, no other city. If you want my opinion on fans in general in every city they are impatient. You see that all the time with back up QBs.

Also you're completely off your rocker if you don't think "patient fans" have anything to do with consistent tickets sales. Your "its a big market" argument is absolute failure...all you have to do is look across the way at minute maid park :vincepalm: Guess what buddy, they play in a "big market too" and that place was a ghost town...same thing with the Rockets in year's past. Texan fans selling out every seat at Relient isn't just a "given" and it isn't just because they have a healthy market....especially given today's economic downturn and the every rising prices included in attending a football game. Your argument is a stretch at best. THIS IS A PATIENT FAN BASE... Almost patient to a fault.
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First of all since you're going to make personal insults I will too. You are off your rocker if you think MLB or NBA attendance is any where comparable to NFL attendance.

You are talking about 41+ home games for both leagues. Where you ask fans to come on a random Wednesday night to see the Rockets play the Twolves. I did bring up the Knicks but only to compare that NYC always loves their Basketball and are in a big city...much like Houston will always love their Football and are a big city.

Vs 8 game schedule where each game matters and the team and media can hype up the game so people can come on the weekends...and also that the NFL is much more popular than both leagues in USA probably combined.

Much easier to sell tickets to 8 games vs 41+... also consider that the NFL is the most popular sport in the nation. You think the NBA or MLB could have blackout rules? Only the NFL where teams expect to get in 90% attendance week in and week out.
 
Mr teX said:
this town doesnt deserve a team, this fan base is terrible....
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You must love mentally soft teams that go 8-8 or thereabouts.

Who's the bad fan? The one that will put up with the same **** year in and year out, while waving their pom poms, wearing their Carr jersey and Steel Blue blinders....

...or...

....the fan who passionately wants this team to win, and realizes that the the head coach isn't the one to get us over the mediocre hump?

I will take fan #2 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Could it be that Dennison is a problem? I think I enjoyed Baby Shanahan a little better as an offensive coordinator. I'd have to think about it more. Seems like the offense--the running game excluded--has taken quite the dive with him as OC.

I feel like his name could maybe be thrown in with blaming Kubiak and Smith.
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we keep swapping out coordinators, position coaches and the same results...wash, repeat, rinse....the common theme here is Kubes.
 
Carr Bombed said:
No sir...it is you that is terrible and if you can't recognize what slaps you in the face every Sunday that's a issue that you need to address yourself instead of degrading a whole city filled with devoted fans.

Nut up and stop being such a pushover. If you were to be completely honest, this team doesn't "deserve" US, because it is US who have made this team one of the most profitable franchises in the entire world. How dare you say we don't deserve a team, that's flat out ridiculous and a straight loser's mentality. Sorry unlike you, I'm tired of losing...it's time to hold this team's (coach's) feet to the fire. If he loses against Tenn, I'd straight fire Gary Kubiak if I was Bob McNair.
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Well if you're tired of losing & you truly feel that way, go support a team that's winning...that'll save me from having to read your idiotic posts.
 
IlliniJen said:
You must love mentally soft teams that go 8-8 or thereabouts.

Who's the bad fan? The one that will put up with the same **** year in and year out, while waving their pom poms, wearing their Carr jersey and Steel Blue blinders....

...or...

....the fan who passionately wants this team to win, and realizes that the the head coach isn't the one to get us over the mediocre hump?

I will take fan #2 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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No, the fan that thinks our issues are localized to 1 person or thing.
 
Vinny said:
we keep swapping out coordinators, position coaches and the same results...wash, repeat, rinse....the common theme here is Kubes.
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Yes it is. But it's good to name Dennison too. Rather than beat the same drum with the same tired and very true **** about Kubiak, I want to suggest SPECIFIC problems beyond Kubiak.
 
Yep. Stats are a general indicator and in this case it's not indicating what they normally would--that a team as successful statistically would be as successful in the standings.
 
Mr teX said:
No, the fan that thinks our issues are localized to 1 person or thing.
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I don't need another 5 years of the same problems stemming from the head coach to know we need a change. The soft mentality and lack of preparation is pretty consistent, year in and year out. We have so many good players, and Kubiak is holding this team back.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Who gives a damn where its ranked? Where are the wins? Sixth season now and we still get shitty results. It's really getting ridiculous.
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i think we all know the defence has been to blame for alot of the losses in that time (and yes that is kubiaks fault by not hiring the right ppl so dont start). still the offence- which we're talking about, has played well enough to be a consistent playoff team.

and this season we've lost 3 games- two losses to probably two of the best 5 teams in the nfl away in two of the most difficult stadiums. both competitive games... and a game they let slip against a team they couldve/shouldve beaten at home but one thats doing pretty well this yr too

cant say im incandescent with rage yet (just wanted to be the first person to use that word on TT)
 
Maddict5 said:
i think we all know the defence has been to blame for alot of the losses in that time (and yes that is kubiaks fault by not hiring the right ppl so dont start)

and this season we've lost 3 games- two losses to probably two of the best 5 teams in the nfl away in two of the most difficult stadiums. both competitive games... and a game they let slip against a team they couldve/shouldve beaten at home but one thats doing pretty well this yr too

cant say im incandescent with rage yet (just wanted to be the first person to use that word on TT)
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All I see are excuses. How many more teams is McNair going to watch get turned around before he wakes the hell up and realizes Kubiak is just an offensive coordinator.
 
IlliniJen said:
I don't need another 5 years of the same problems stemming from the head coach to know we need a change. The soft mentality and lack of preparation is pretty consistent, year in and year out. We have so many good players, and Kubiak is holding this team back.
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yep...b/c it's kubiak's fault that Foster dropped all kinds of passes that would've extended drives & put us in favorable 3 down situations.

b/c it's kubiak's fault that vickers dropped a sure TD last week.

b/c its kubiak's fault AJ punted an int to the SD defense last year to end a game winning drive.

Guess we should get rid of them too huh?
 
Surreal McCoy said:
QFT. Would be hilarious to see the team moved elsewhere. Hell, even LA would support a team better than Houston.

PS - Repped
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This team has never done anything and everygame they play is infront of a packed house. I seem to remember a bunch of empty seats the last time I watched a professional football game in LA.

ps - not repped!
 
Vinny said:
being critical of your team doesn't equate to a lack of support...good gravy.
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It hasn't mattered Vinny. Even when this team has won people in this town still manage to come here with something negative or "critical" to say. Need an example? After we beat Miami all i saw on here were threads about how weak schaub's arm is.....how bad our run defense is / how we need a space-eating NT...how KJ sucks. It's absolutely maddening. & when we lose.....the same tired discussions get brought up.

That's why i already know, it's not gonna matter whether we finally get to the playoffs this year or not, once we get there & if we lost, the same people will be coming out of the woodworks with the same crap.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
All I see are excuses. How many more teams is McNair going to watch get turned around before he wakes the hell up and realizes Kubiak is just an offensive coordinator.
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didnt see you argue the points about the offence being good though... (which it looks like you're now agreeing with)


excuses... realism. guess its in the eye of the beholder
 
Mr teX said:
....but if you think this teams failings will be corrected by replacing 1 man your fooling yourself.
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TheMatrix31 said:
Could it be that Dennison is a problem?
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I think you guys have got it. Blow up the team. But keep Gary. It's the players and the assistants that are to blame. Gary is on the right track. The team? Not so much. Just let Gary start over.

Maddict5 said:
and this season we've lost 3 games- two losses to probably two of the best 5 teams in the nfl away in two of the most difficult stadiums. both competitive games...
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In other words, eat your crap sandwich and like it. Yummy.

Vinny said:
stats are for baseball
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And Bob McNair. And the Keep Kubiak Klub.

thunderkyss said:
Kubiak can't screw this up.
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You continue to underestimate the man.
 
Lucky, you're a moderator here so I assume that means you're a level above everyone else both power-wise and intelligence-wise.

Me mentioning Dennison as a POTENTIAL problem, you know, as perhaps a point to discuss rationally, then in this VERY THREAD actually SAYING that we might have to throw him in with Smith and Kubiak is not reason for you to spew that sarcastic bullshit as if I'm a Kubiak supporter. This might be the seventh time in the last two hours ALONE that I've mentioned that I've wanted Kubiak gone for a VERY long time.
 
Mr teX said:
It hasn't mattered Vinny. Even when this team has won people in this town still manage to come here with something negative or "critical" to say. Need an example? After we beat Miami all i saw on here were threads about how weak schaub's arm is.....how bad our run defense is / how we need a space-eating NT...how KJ sucks. It's absolutely maddening. & when we lose.....the same tired discussions get brought up.

That's why i already know, it's not gonna matter whether we finally get to the playoffs this year or not, once we get there & if we lost, the same people will be coming out of the woodworks with the same crap.
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Of course they keep saying the same crap. They have not seen anything to make them change their minds. Even if we were 6 and 0 you would still have people complain, it's like that on every message board.
 
utahmark said:
Of course they keep saying the same crap. They have not seen anything to make them change their minds. Even if we were 6 and 0 you would still have people complain, it's like that on every message board.
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no...no its not.
 
Mr teX said:
no...no its not.
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Well, yes and no. Individual team message boards across the NFL and all sports are cesspools. Complete and utter cesspools of idiocy and irrationality.

That said, out of all the teams I root for (Suns, Braves, Texans, Sabres), it wouldn't be a stretch to say my Texans board is the worst offender out of those four. Braves board would definitely have to be second, because those guys are all dicks and know-it-alls. NBA fans are generally unintelligent overall, so I don't really get surprised when they go off the rails because they're just dumb to begin with. Sabres board has some elements but its generally pretty good with very solid discussion.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Lucky, you're a moderator here so I assume that means you're a level above everyone else both power-wise and intelligence-wise.
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Just intelligence-wise.

I know what the problem with this team is. I've been screaming it here (and everywhere else) for since November 2nd, 2008. What about Schaub? What about the OC? The DC? The 2nd string FB? The hurricane? I've heard it all. This team will never become a winner with Gary Kubiak "leading" them. So if the arguments we see after losses look redundant, so too are the excuses for Kubiak's failures. Same $&!%, different thread.
 
Lucky said:
Just intelligence-wise.

I know what the problem with this team is. I've been screaming it here (and everywhere else) for since November 2nd, 2008. What about Schaub? What about the OC? The DC? The 2nd string FB? The hurricane? I've heard it all. This team will never become a winner with Gary Kubiak "leading" them. So if the arguments we see after losses look redundant, so too are the excuses for Kubiak's failures. Same $&!%, different thread.
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Yeah of course. It's a cycle of redundancy. It's dumb. But I'm not fond of just naming one or two people as a catch-all for everything. Of course, Kubiak and Smith have brought everyone on board and constructed the team, but as I said in another thread, I like to name people specifically. Schaub was shitty last week, he wasn't that bad this week. OL was awful last week, they were slightly better this week. Cushing was consistent these last few games, and the front seven has been pretty damn good.

Not much PA? Not much creativity? Three runs and a cloud of dust? Could be the OC.

Hurricane? Well, that's Bush and Cheney's fault.

Of course everything falls under the fault of the HC, GM, and Owner. But it's important to look at specifics too. Analyze SPECIFICALLY what's wrong. So that when we're hiring a new HC (if we dont promote Wade, which we know will end up happening, ahh) or whoever, we know specifically what issues need to be addressed .

It's HC/OC/Owner's fault that Jabroni Jones and Kareem Jackson are still on this team, and that outside of Johnathan Joseph and sometimes Danieal Manning, we don't have anybody competent in the secondary. It's also their fault that aside from Andre, our wideout situation is thin at best. They've done a good job addressing the front seven, building an OL, finding Foster and Tate, and getting Dreesen/Daniels/Casey.

It's Kubiak's fault that game management sucks dick. That's been arguably the biggest problem overall in his coaching tenure.
 
I don't see how anyone can support keeping Kubiak at this point. All I can hope for is that McNair is paying attention to the 49rs and learning something. Then again, we said the same thing about him learning from the Saints.

The worst part is that we'll be stuck in the doldrums of mediocrity for so long that Andre's career will be over before a major change occurs.

Edit: We need to start lobbying McNair with the theme, "You owe it to Andre to fire Kubiak."
 
Lucky said:
Just intelligence-wise.

I know what the problem with this team is. I've been screaming it here (and everywhere else) for since November 2nd, 2008. What about Schaub? What about the OC? The DC? The 2nd string FB? The hurricane? I've heard it all. This team will never become a winner with Gary Kubiak "leading" them. So if the arguments we see after losses look redundant, so too are the excuses for Kubiak's failures. Same $&!%, different thread.
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If we had been an enlightened fan base a few years ago, we wouldn't even have the Kubiak problem. Capers would still be here since the head coach has no responsibility for wins and losses, right?
 
Dude its teh ravens LOL i kinda knew we were losing dis game

u know there is still alot of football to play all we need to do is punch our ticket to the playoffs and after that anything could happen IMO
 
Mr teX said:
nothing......but if you think this teams failings will be corrected by replacing 1 man your fooling yourself.
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What do you propose to help correct the Texans failings? Short of BoBBy retiring/dying.

I'm anxiously waiting your reply.
 
Surreal McCoy said:
QFT. Would be hilarious to see the team moved elsewhere. Hell, even LA would support a team better than Houston.

PS - Repped
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Really?

How would you suggest we become better fans?

How many teams has LA lost? WoW they must have a great fanbase.
 
Mr teX said:
yep...b/c it's kubiak's fault that Foster dropped all kinds of passes that would've extended drives & put us in favorable 3 down situations.

b/c it's kubiak's fault that vickers dropped a sure TD last week.

b/c its kubiak's fault AJ punted an int to the SD defense last year to end a game winning drive.

Guess we should get rid of them too huh?
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Yes it is Garys fault. He's the one who handpicked the players that are failing on this team.
 
Surreal McCoy said:
QFT. Would be hilarious to see the team moved elsewhere. Hell, even LA would support a team better than Houston.

PS - Repped
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you are talking down to real fans trying to tell them how to react - then you say it would be hilarious to see the team leave? I'd call that being a hypocrite.
 
Vinny said:
you are talking down to real fans trying to tell them how to react - then you say it would be hilarious to see the team leave? I'd call that being a hypocrite.
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Of course you would, Vinny, the real fans would expect no less of you

:vincepalm:
 
Surreal McCoy said:
Of course you would, Vinny, the real fans would expect no less of you

:vincepalm:
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you claim to be a fan of the team and you hope the Texans move. You said it, not me. Frankly you have exposed yourself to be a charlatan and a fake. No real fan of a franchise is pulling for the team to relocate.
 
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