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Kubiak 2011 coach of year?

Texecutioner said:
Going 12-4 doesn't all of a sudden make you HC of the year. I've got news for ya, there will be other HC's that go 14-2 and about 3 others who do 12-4 or better possibly. Kubiak becoming coach of the year would probably be the worst thing that could happen in my eyes any way, because Bob would extend him and we'd be in for another 4 years of failures and you guys that like to flip flop every season on whether or not you think he's a good coach would all of a sudden act like he's some god because he finally took this team to the playoffs and he'd be thought of as this great coach again in this city when he never earned that reputation in his first place when people were heralding him as this savior of the Texans organization.

I don't expect the Texans to do anything special this season any way, and I just hope that it's bad enough in Mcnair's eyes to get rid of him finally. If he finally had a decent enough season to make the playoffs this year and got extended again that would just further the dark hole of suckage with this organization. Kubiak and Wade Phillips together as coaches is not a good combination at all in my eyes and I want it broken up sooner than later.
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Bolded is recognised but will these coaches have a record the year before of 6-10? I doubt it. I like Kubiak and Phillips but never fillped flopped on Kubiak. I defended him until last season and called him out on this board to step up and be a coach making good decisions. I feel like I always give fair reviews of all players and management in all sports. He does not have to be given another extension as I think he was extended two more years after this last one of his old deal. In other words 3 more seasons left. If he goes 12-4, McNair would be a fool to extend him; give him at minimum another year (2nd year on this deal and first of his two year extension and see hw he does in 2012.
 
badboy said:
Bolded is recognised but will these coaches have a record the year before of 6-10? I doubt it. I like Kubiak and Phillips but never fillped flopped on Kubiak. I defended him until last season and called him out on this board to step up and be a coach making good decisions. I feel like I always give fair reviews of all players and management in all sports. He does not have to be given another extension as I think he was extended two more years after this last one of his old deal. In other words 3 more seasons left. If he goes 12-4, McNair would be a fool to extend him; give him at minimum another year (2nd year on this deal and first of his two year extension and see hw he does in 2012.
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Dude, if we went 12-4 and made the playoffs, you'd see confetti at Reliant and that would be the equivalent to winning the SB at this point. This city simply doesn't have high expectations anymore and average is okay. I don't know if it's because of Bud taking his team years ago or if it's because of the Capers era or both, but fans have dropped their standards big time. When we went 9-7 all because the Pats took their starters out everyone acted like we had this great season completely forgetting the 3 games that Kubiak completely destroyed with his bad decisions at the end of games that kept this team out of the playoffs. The Texans went 9-7 despite Kubiak. Not because of him. But the fans celebrated as if we went to the 2nd round of the playoffs that year and that was year 4 of no playoffs for Kubiak. Most HC's are gone by year 3 if they're not on the way up and certainly are by year 4. We're headed into year 6 with this guy all because of the attendance at games being high and because Kubiak is that "nice guy" type of coach that Mcnair likes that won't be controversial.

The reality is that he should not be working here right now. If he has a great season this year record wise, he'll get at least a 3 year extension and you can forget about Kubiak being fired here no matter how bad this team could be after a season like that. Sorry, but I'd rather get one more bad season over with now, in hopes that we can finally get a guy in here that can win consistently.
 
Texecutioner said:
Dude, if we went 12-4 and made the playoffs, you'd see confetti at Reliant and that would be the equivalent to winning the SB at this point. This city simply doesn't have high expectations anymore and average is okay.
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Alright now, you've taken this a bit too far.

12-4 isn't "average" anywhere in the NFL. There has never been a team to my recollection that went 12-4 and didn't make the playoffs.
 
disaacks3 said:
Alright now, you've taken this a bit too far.

12-4 isn't "average" anywhere in the NFL. There has never been a team to my recollection that went 12-4 and didn't make the playoffs.
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Where did I ever say that 12-4 was an average record? I didn't suggest that.

I was talking about the fact that if the Texans did that in the regular season, that would be the equivalent to them winning a SB here. What happened in the playoffs after that wouldn't mean a thing, but just that we got there and even if we got smoked and Kubiak had a bunch of bad decisions on game day, his reputation would automatically go back to being this savior of Houston football and this great HC that needs just a few more years of learning on the job. He should have been fired two years ago when they had that 9-7 season, and instead of getting fired there was confetti thrown and people acted like it was a reason to celebrate. The standards for success here are extremely low for a sports city this big. I don't like that being a fact, but it's true. In my opinion any way.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, you don't get coach of the year because you sucked every other year and then all of a sudden have a good year when you should have been fired in the first place. Not gonna happen.
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While I agree that there is no way in hell that Kubiak wins COTY, I don't think that your previous track record has much affect on the voting (not saying it doesn't have any affect).
 
I think if the Texans go 12-4, win the division and advance to our first ever playoffs that Kubiak will be in the running to get coach of the year and could easily win it. He'd probably be the front runner, barring a coach taking his 16-0 or a 'young' coach taking his team to the Super Bowl.

Marvin Lewis won it in '09 with an 10-6 record and a loss in the wildcard game. His previous 3 seasons they went 4-11, 7-9, and 8-8.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think if the Texans go 12-4, win the division and advance to our first ever playoffs that Kubiak will be in the running to get coach of the year and could easily win it. He'd probably be the front runner, barring a coach taking his 16-0 or a 'young' coach taking his team to the Super Bowl.

Marvin Lewis won it in '09 with an 10-6 record and a loss in the wildcard game. His previous 3 seasons they went 4-11, 7-9, and 8-8.
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You and a number of other posters are forgetting that the votes are cast before the playoffs. Playoff berth would be in consideration. Playoff performance is not.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think if the Texans go 12-4, win the division and advance to our first ever playoffs that Kubiak will be in the running to get coach of the year and could easily win it. He'd probably be the front runner, barring a coach taking his 16-0 or a 'young' coach taking his team to the Super Bowl.

Marvin Lewis won it in '09 with an 10-6 record and a loss in the wildcard game. His previous 3 seasons they went 4-11, 7-9, and 8-8.
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This post right here would probably be the best counter argument to what I have previously stated, and this is probably not near as close to impossible as I thought. Great post Ole Miss Texan.
 
Texecutioner said:
This post right here would probably be the best counter argument to what I have previously stated, and this is probably not near as close to impossible as I thought. Great post Ole Miss Texan.
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Dude.

Did you read my post earlier?

Did you see the Signees at the end? Dick Jauron, Dom Capers, Ray Rhodes, etc...

All of them had worse track records than Marvin Lewis... hell, they all had worse track records than Kubiak. And all of them won the Coach of the Year on their first good season.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think if the Texans go 12-4, win the division and advance to our first ever playoffs that Kubiak will be in the running to get coach of the year and could easily win it. He'd probably be the front runner, barring a coach taking his 16-0 or a 'young' coach taking his team to the Super Bowl.

Marvin Lewis won it in '09 with an 10-6 record and a loss in the wildcard game. His previous 3 seasons they went 4-11, 7-9, and 8-8.
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IF we make it through the season relatively healthy, I doubt he'll get a mention. That's what is expected.

If his mother died or something happened team wise, losing many key players, or something along those lines & the Texans manage to go 12-4.....

Then he'll be considered.

But if Peyton Manning has a season ending groin injury in the preseason & Chris Johnson develops fumblitis.... we could go 14-2 & Kubiak won't get any extra credit for doing it.
 
thunderkyss said:
IF we make it through the season relatively healthy, I doubt he'll get a mention. That's what is expected.

If his mother died or something happened team wise, losing many key players, or something along those lines & the Texans manage to go 12-4.....

Then he'll be considered.

But if Peyton Manning has a season ending groin injury in the preseason & Chris Johnson develops fumblitis.... we could go 14-2 & Kubiak won't get any extra credit for doing it.
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Did you just compare Kubiak to Brett Favre?
 
Allstar said:
You and a number of other posters are forgetting that the votes are cast before the playoffs. Playoff berth would be in consideration. Playoff performance is not.
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Thanks, I couldn't remember when voting takes place. Kinda like the Heisman before bowl games huh!? In this case, I think it would give Kubiak that much more of an edge if we got the division wrapped up. Bilichick, Ryan, Harbaugh, Tomlin are EXPECTED to win 12 games or the division basically each year. Although everyone anticipates the Texans reaching the playoffs or whatnot... that's been anticipated each of the past several seasons. If the Pats, Jets, Ravens, Steelers don't make the playoffs its a huge upset. All else equal I'd think Kubiak gets the nod as he's done something for his team that's never happened. As bad as that is, I think it plays a part in things.

I just hope this is the year the Texans finally kick some ass. I hope this is the year we finally play with an attitude that we're pissed off and want to hit people on every single play.

But hey, if Kubiak does win Coach of the Year, at least we'll know we're on the right track. :tomato:
 
badboy said:
Kubiak 2011 coach of year?
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Madness? This is Houston! Why wouldnt we believe the same fairly tale crap year after year?
 
If Phillips turns the defense around and the Texans actually make the playoffs then Phillips should get coach of the year. Kubiak has been a terrible head coach. He needs to go back to being an offensive cordinator. He is terrible at being in charge of the whole process.
 
I'm just going to throw this out there so I won't be accused of flip-flopping later (as some people are already starting to say.)

I don't think Kubiak is a bad head coach at all. I would have fired him after last season because 6-10 was simply not good enough and ultimately that defense is his fault -- those were the coaches that he wanted and their decisions were his decisions.

But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons. Sometimes all their decisions seem to turn out good and sometimes they turn out bad. A lot of people have gotten their panties in a wad about things I don't consider bad decisions (like the half-back throw) but ultimately, it's the end-result that counts and that hasn't been good enough. That's why i would have fired him fully expecting him to go to another team as an HC and win a SB.

I think this team has been built to a point where it is just a piece or two away from being a perennial winner and that's a long way away from where it was when Kubiak took over. So, I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him like I used to but I still don't think that the ire a lot of people on this board have for Kubiak is justified.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm just going to throw this out there so I won't be accused of flip-flopping later (as some people are already starting to say.)

I don't think Kubiak is a bad head coach at all. I would have fired him after last season because 6-10 was simply not good enough and ultimately that defense is his fault -- those were the coaches that he wanted and their decisions were his decisions.

But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons. Sometimes all their decisions seem to turn out good and sometimes they turn out bad. A lot of people have gotten their panties in a wad about things I don't consider bad decisions (like the half-back throw) but ultimately, it's the end-result that counts and that hasn't been good enough. That's why i would have fired him fully expecting him to go to another team as an HC and win a SB.

I think this team has been built to a point where it is just a piece or two away from being a perennial winner and that's a long way away from where it was when Kubiak took over. So, I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him like I used to but I still don't think that the ire a lot of people on this board have for Kubiak is justified.
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Good post.

At one point I was a big kubiak supporter. But after all these years Ive seen a pattern. And that pattern is losing and for the most part coming up short In key situations.

I hope that changes this year with a competent d coordinator on board.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I'm just going to throw this out there so I won't be accused of flip-flopping later (as some people are already starting to say.)

I don't think Kubiak is a bad head coach at all. I would have fired him after last season because 6-10 was simply not good enough and ultimately that defense is his fault -- those were the coaches that he wanted and their decisions were his decisions.

But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons. Sometimes all their decisions seem to turn out good and sometimes they turn out bad. A lot of people have gotten their panties in a wad about things I don't consider bad decisions (like the half-back throw) but ultimately, it's the end-result that counts and that hasn't been good enough. That's why i would have fired him fully expecting him to go to another team as an HC and win a SB.

I think this team has been built to a point where it is just a piece or two away from being a perennial winner and that's a long way away from where it was when Kubiak took over. So, I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him like I used to but I still don't think that the ire a lot of people on this board have for Kubiak is justified.
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Pretty much what I feel. Don't know about SB winner but I would say that about Jimmy Johnson or Bill Belicheck as well. You just can't predict what a coach will do with a new team.
 
I bet Jason Garrett gets Coach of the Year in 2011. Turning around a 6-10 Cowboys team in 'the toughest division of the NFL'. It's a good setup for a team in that position.
 
Coach of the year for turning a team around in 6 years? I think that award may be reserved for the coaches who do it in their first year or two.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons.
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Don't mean to split hairs but Cowher had TWO 6-10 seasons. "Several" is MORE than two, sometime more than three, but never less than three.

And he did it in a span of 15 years. Kubiak managed to equal him in 5.
 
wildroot said:
Coach of the year for turning a team around in 6 years? I think that award may be reserved for the coaches who do it in their first year or two.
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Not if you look at the history of the people who've won the award.

Most notably is Dick Jauron. With the Bears he went:

1999- 6-10
2000- 5-11
2001- 13-3
2002- 4-12
2003- 7-9

In 2001 after two horrible seasons and then on bright spot blip in the radar, he won coach of the year.

Ray Rhodes went:

1998- 3-13
1999- 6-9-1
2000- 10-6
2001- 10-6

He won COTY in 2000 after just going 10-6.

If the Texans were to go 14-2 or 13-3, Kubiak would be in the running.
 
wildroot said:
Don't mean to split hairs but Cowher had TWO 6-10 seasons. "Several" is MORE than two, sometime more than three, but never less than three.

And he did it in a span of 15 years. Kubiak managed to equal him in 5.
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My memory is irrelevant to the point which is that even good coaches sometimes have down years.

And Cowher took over a team that was in much better condition than the team Kubiak took over.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
My memory is irrelevant to the point which is that even good coaches sometimes have down years.

And Cowher took over a team that was in much better condition than the team Kubiak took over.
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The difference is that Kubes has never shown that he's a good coach. Only the opposite.

And Cowher didn't take over some great team either. They weren't as bad as the 2-14 Texans, but they weren't a great team at the time.
 
I can actually see this happening if the Texans make the playoffs. I don't like Kubiak but love the Texans so I would be happy if he did win because it would mean that the Texans had a pretty good season. Although going to the playoffs is simply not enough to warrant Kubiak keeping his job imo. What if we make the playoffs and get absolutely demolished? Kubiak is in a position where I think he has to not only take the Texans to the playoffs but also demonstrate some success at that point. I don't envy the man.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
A 7-9 team is a lot better than a 2-14 team.
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I said they weren't as bad, but you guys need to stop acting like Kubiak took over some HS team. He took over a very bad team just like a ton of other coaches have and we've seen time and time again just since Kubes got hired other coaches take their teams to playoffs even in one season, but several in two. That whole myth around here got debunked several times already and Kubiak's poor decisions are why this team missed the playoffs especially two seasons ago by letting Chris Brown the RB be the savior of 3 different games in which he failed miserably every time. Those calls were on Kubes. He's had 5 years now and outside of Denver and Houston where his homers are, he is thought of as one of the worst HC's in the league. I've had a ton of friends from other states who root for other teams ask me again and again why he is still here.
 
Just a reminder, as I understand COTY is based on one year not a historical review. I do think voters look at the revious year, in other words if coach A was 10-6 in 2010 coach B was 6-10, coach B would get the nod. I think other factors such as injuries play a part. So saying Kubiak had 4 losing seasons has nothing to do with 2011 COTY.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
If the Texans were to go 14-2 or 13-3, Kubiak would be in the running.
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Any coach that goes 14-2 or 13-3 is in the running for COY.

The Pencil Neck said:
But every coach has good and bad years -- Cowher had several 6-10 seasons.
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Cowher had two 6-10 seasons. Not several. What he had several of were playoff appearances. 10 in 15 seasons. Please, please do not make comparisons of Gary Kubiak to Bill Cowher. It's foolish.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I bet Jason Garrett gets Coach of the Year in 2011. Turning around a 6-10 Cowboys team in 'the toughest division of the NFL'. It's a good setup for a team in that position.
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Speaking of which....

Ever hear that old saying, "There's nothing in Texas but Steers & Queers?"

I heard, I'm only telling you what I heard now.....

The Steers call themselves Texans.

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& the Queers..... let's just say they wear silver pants.
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I'm just sayin'
 
Lucky said:
Cowher had two 6-10 seasons. Not several. What he had several of were playoff appearances. 10 in 15 seasons. Please, please do not make comparisons of Gary Kubiak to Bill Cowher. It's foolish.
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What blows my mind about Cowher is 108–1–1. This is his record in games in which they built a lead of at least eleven points.

Yeah, I get that he inherited a better team than Kubiak (although Cowher did inherit a losing team, 7-9, and went 11-5 with them. The first of six playoff appearances in a row, making him only one of two coaches to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach in NFL history).

But no way can anyone ever convince me that Kubiak would have been 108–1–1 with that same Steelers team.

Agreed about the foolishness of such comparisons. It's comparing a Fiat to a Ferrari at this point.
 
Doppelganger said:
Your team has done very well in the Off season, no doubt. But you didn't win the offseason. Thus far the Iggles are winning it.
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yeah, they stole DRC and a 2nd rd pick from AZ for a backup QB and then won the Nnamdi sweepstakes over Rex Ryan and Jerruh Jones (if Jerruh was actually ever in it). They'll probably unload Asante Samuel for a 2nd day pick... The Walrus is Dealin'
 
Thought I'd bump this thread. I enjoyed reading some of the slams I got. Still long ways to go; well not really. 4 games and we should sweep.
 
IMO, he certainly should be in the running. I doubt he would get it. The Harbaugh at the 49ers will likely be the one.
 
Rey said:
Good post.

At one point I was a big kubiak supporter. But after all these years Ive seen a pattern. And that pattern is losing and for the most part coming up short In key situations.

I hope that changes this year with a competent d coordinator on board.
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The one constant has been that he has put his players in a position to win games / make critical plays ..... those players havent done that until this season.

Sometimes the breaks go your way ..... sometimes they dont. Two games that stand out to me from last season are Jax and Baltimore. Jax needed a miracle on the final play ..... and had JJ caught a damn ball that hit him in the hands in the endzone in Baltimore that game never goes to OT. Those plays were left on the field last season ..... those same plays are going the Texans way this season.



wildroot said:
Don't mean to split hairs but Cowher had TWO 6-10 seasons. "Several" is MORE than two, sometime more than three, but never less than three.

And he did it in a span of 15 years. Kubiak managed to equal him in 5.
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Cower didnt take over a 2-14 team either .....
 
edo783 said:
IMO, he certainly should be in the running. I doubt he would get it. The Harbaugh at the 49ers will likely be the one.
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Would not injuries play into that? Don't really keep up with SF but doubt they had same issues.
 
While I understand the desires of Texans fans to crown our head coach, it is premature at this point simply because this season has not played out.

We are assuming that the Texans clinch the AFC South and make the playoffs, but it has not happened, yet. All that is certain right now is that the Texans have matched their best win total.

Let's give it a few weeks and then revisit this discussion. Kubiak might be the clear favorite when this team goes 13-3 and is the top seed in the AFC.
 
Double Barrel said:
While I understand the desires of Texans fans to crown our head coach, it is premature at this point simply because this season has not played out.

We are assuming that the Texans clinch the AFC South and make the playoffs, but it has not happened, yet. All that is certain right now is that the Texans have matched their best win total.

Let's give it a few weeks and then revisit this discussion. Kubiak might be the clear favorite when this team goes 13-3 and is the top seed in the AFC.
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I agree completely. When does the award get handed out?



I'm really all about balance. Sometimes I'll take one side of an argument, sometimes the other. Usually I'm on the homer side. So I can understand how some people will misconstrue what I am saying.

So to be clear.


I don't think Kubiak deserves COY.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree completely. When does the award get handed out?



I'm really all about balance. Sometimes I'll take one side of an argument, sometimes the other. Usually I'm on the homer side. So I can understand how some people will misconstrue what I am saying.

So to be clear.


I don't think Kubiak deserves COY.
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yeah, I do the same thing on topics that I do not have 100% conviction. Sometimes it's just fun to discuss things from all angles.

Do you think he should get CotY if we go 13-3 and have top seed in the playoffs?
 
Double Barrel said:
yeah, I do the same thing on topics that I do not have 100% conviction. Sometimes it's just fun to discuss things from all angles.

Do you think he should get CotY if we go 13-3 and have top seed in the playoffs?
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I think it all depends on what Harbaugh does in San Francisco. If they finish with only 2 or 3 losses then he'll definitely get it since it's his first season. Kubiak definitely deserves to be in the discussion though.
 
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