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McNair: "We're not going to do something we think is crazy"

TexCanada said:
I don't understand the argument here. Green Bay has obviously made the right moves, while the Texans have made the wrong moves. Therefore, the Pack should continue with what they are doing, while the Texans should be trying new things. Does it really matter how many FAs one team has signed compared to another?
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Yep

But that doesn't fit the business as usual mode around here.

I dont understand why fans wouldn't want BoB to spend $$$$ necessaey to get the best FA's and draft picks possible. Thereby improving the talent level to a point that not even Gary could screw it up.
 
thunderkyss said:
Never mind that no Super Bowl winning coach has ever got a second team to the Super Bowl.
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Bill Parcells was the head coach of the New York Giants that won Super Bowls XXI and XXV and the New England Patriots that lost Super Bowl XXXI.

Mike Holmgren was the head coach of the Green Bay Packers that won Super Bowl XXXI and the Seattle Seahawks that lost Super Bowl XL.

So there's two coaches that prove your statement incorrect.

Other head coaches that have taken two teams to the Super Bowl:

Don Shula was the head coach the Baltimore Colts that lost Super Bowl III and of the Miami Dolphins that lost Super Bowl VI and won Super Bowls VII and VIII.

Dan Reeves was the head coach of the Denver Broncos that lost Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV and the Atlanta Falcons that lost Super Bowl XXXIII.

Dick Vermeil was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles that lost Super Bowl XV and the St. Louis Rams that won Super Bowl XXXIV.

It cracks me up that folks will try to use the above examples to dismiss Cowher in support of Kubiak. I'd take my chances with head coaches that have won a Super Bowl over the Beavis and Butthead we have right now, even if we end up losing a Super Bowl. But that's JMO.
 
Double Barrel said:
Bill Parcells was the head coach of the New York Giants that won Super Bowls XXI and XXV and the New England Patriots that lost Super Bowl XXXI.

Mike Holmgren was the head coach of the Green Bay Packers that won Super Bowl XXXI and the Seattle Seahawks that lost Super Bowl XL.

So there's two coaches that prove your statement incorrect.

Other head coaches that have taken two teams to the Super Bowl:

Don Shula was the head coach the Baltimore Colts that lost Super Bowl III and of the Miami Dolphins that lost Super Bowl VI and won Super Bowls VII and VIII.

Dan Reeves was the head coach of the Denver Broncos that lost Super Bowls XXI, XXII, and XXIV and the Atlanta Falcons that lost Super Bowl XXXIII.

Dick Vermeil was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles that lost Super Bowl XV and the St. Louis Rams that won Super Bowl XXXIV.

It cracks me up that folks will try to use the above examples to dismiss Cowher in support of Kubiak. I'd take my chances with head coaches that have won a Super Bowl over the Beavis and Butthead we have right now, even if we end up losing a Super Bowl. But that's JMO.
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Thanks for this. Sometimes I'm convinced that people want to take a side just to do it. This is similar to the "Gary could be like Landry" argument despite the fact that Landry was a guy who was creating defenses..a genius at the time and was starting in a whole different era, time and place. Anyone who thinks a guy like Cowher...or other names...wouldn't bring in FAs, bring a different attitude and change the culture are fooling themselves. The culture now is 9-7 deserves a banner and be a good kid.

And back out again...proceed.
 
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HoustonFrog said:
Thanks for this. Sometimes I'm convinced that people want to take a side just to do it. This is similar to the "Gary could be like Landry" argument despite the fact that Landry was a guy who was creating defenses..a genius at the time and was starting in a whole different era, time and place. Anyone who thinks a guy like Cowher...or other names...wouldn't bring in FAs, bring a different attitude and change the culture are fooling themselves. The culture now is 9-7 deserves a banner and be a good kid. As you said, I'd much rather see a team get to the playoffs and make a run then be afraid and hope a guy finally gets it.

And back out again...proceed.
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I agree with you that a coaching change, if the right one, could certainly alter the culture, create excitement and higher expectations which would infect many areas of the organization. However, in case you didn't notice, there were a lot of head coaching jobs available and the highly sought after coaches with head coaching experience, like Cowher, still don't have a job. Based on your opinion of the Texans organization, surely you don't believe it is because the top guys are holding out for the Texans? In other words, those guys weren't interested in coaching this season (likely do to the CBA issues)...

Because of the CBA issues and the lack of available quality coaches with NFL experience, I think McNair thought it better to upgrade the defense and keep Kubiak in place rather than fire Kubiak and risk upheaval and being unable to acquire an elite coach. Whether you agree with that strategy or not, it is logically sound and reasonable.
 
dalemurphy said:
I agree with you that a coaching change, if the right one, could certainly alter the culture, create excitement and higher expectations which would infect many areas of the organization. However, in case you didn't notice, there were a lot of head coaching jobs available and the highly sought after coaches with head coaching experience, like Cowher, still don't have a job.
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Because they can afford to be picky. Why would Cowher want to take a crap job with a crap team? He's got nothing to prove, so why not wait?

Your premise proves absolutely nothing and borders on straw man territory.
 
Double Barrel said:
Because they can afford to be picky. Why would Cowher want to take a crap job with a crap team? He's got nothing to prove, so why not wait?

Your premise proves absolutely nothing and borders on straw man territory.
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That's exactly what Cowher has been doing. Waiting for the right job to open which is another reason why I like the guy, because he's smart and isn't dumb enough to take over some job that will blow up in his face. Cowher almost did take that Buffalo job two years ago though, which is what really tripped me out at the time. He was out there for like a week negotiating with Ralph Wilson of all people and when Wilson wouldn't commit to spending a certain amount of money to bring in quality players, Cowher said no thanks and wasn't going to screw himself to a job where the owner didn't seem committed to building a winner. Good for Cowher. I think he'd love to work here just like many other coaches since Bob Mcnair is such a softie for his coaching staff.
 
Texecutioner said:
That's exactly what Cowher has been doing. Waiting for the right job to open which is another reason why I like the guy, because he's smart and isn't dumb enough to take over some job that will blow up in his face. Cowher almost did take that Buffalo job two years ago though, which is what really tripped me out at the time. He was out there for like a week negotiating with Ralph Wilson of all people and when Wilson wouldn't commit to spending a certain amount of money to bring in quality players, Cowher said no thanks and wasn't going to screw himself to a job where the owner didn't seem committed to building a winner. Good for Cowher. I think he'd love to work here just like many other coaches since Bob Mcnair is such a softie for his coaching staff.
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Given the general tendency for coaches to want to control the entire franchise, Houston would be ideal for a coach looking to have little oversight and accountability to the owner. It's not necessarily a knock on Bob, but it can be attractive to a prospective coach who wants to get involved in every aspect of the franchise.
 
dalemurphy said:
I agree with you that a coaching change, if the right one, could certainly alter the culture, create excitement and higher expectations which would infect many areas of the organization. However, in case you didn't notice, there were a lot of head coaching jobs available and the highly sought after coaches with head coaching experience, like Cowher, still don't have a job. Based on your opinion of the Texans organization, surely you don't believe it is because the top guys are holding out for the Texans? In other words, those guys weren't interested in coaching this season (likely do to the CBA issues)...

Because of the CBA issues and the lack of available quality coaches with NFL experience, I think McNair thought it better to upgrade the defense and keep Kubiak in place rather than fire Kubiak and risk upheaval and being unable to acquire an elite coach. Whether you agree with that strategy or not, it is logically sound and reasonable.
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Double Barrel said:
Because they can afford to be picky. Why would Cowher want to take a crap job with a crap team? He's got nothing to prove, so why not wait?

Your premise proves absolutely nothing and borders on straw man territory.
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DB answered it and Tex added on but to add my own....

There were rumors that Cowher wanted 3 jobs. Two had coaches in place already that weren't going anywhere or they ended up staying after some weird actions by ownership(Miami). The Texans was one of them mentioned. You have offensive weapons. You have a D that is horrible but you can mold. You have facilities and you don't have expectations from the owner as to what was expected in 1-2 years. You also would get a massive amount of control. Why wouldn't that be attractive to a guy like Cowher? There were alot of coaching vaccancies with lower level talent...Cleveland among some...and no real hope of a quick turnaround. Cowher isn't coaching because he is handpicking an opening.

As for being logically sound and reasonable...it might seem that way unless you look at Bob's track record of extending a guy like Carr and then having failure and then extending a guy like Gary instead of waiting a year. After seeing that you realize it is out of living with mistakes compared to being sound.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep

But that doesn't fit the business as usual mode around here.

I dont understand why fans wouldn't want BoB to spend $$$$ necessaey to get the best FA's and draft picks possible. Thereby improving the talent level to a point that not even Gary could screw it up.
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Noone is saying or has been saying they wouldn't want him to spend $$$ necessary to bring in these caliber of guys...but the key word is necessary. Would you honestly have approved of the FO dropping 100 million on a fat, lazy team-cancer inducing turd like Haynesworth? I know i wouldn't have & i bet many others wouldn't have either. Hell, People here scoffed at ATL giving Dunta what he got...& rightfully so.

You keep bringing this up like people in here are saying that they don't want this & its not true & tiresome.

As for all the folks in here talking about GB, Go up & down their starting lineups. It's clear what their strategy was. Them snagging woodson was a good pick up for them in FA but it was a calculated gamble (pretty much every team does this every year on at least 1-2 players) as he was thought to be on the downside of his career becoming injury prone & not really making alot of plays.....compared to what he was his 1st few years anyway; He'd also been developing a reputation as being injury prone. The point at which GB got him he wasn't thought to be this super duper caliber FA on par with a Peppers or a Haynesworth these past few years.

The same could be said for the saints getting Brees. He'd had productive years in SD, but that horrific arm injury he suffered kept lots of teams away...many of those teams needed a qb.

These kinds of gambles more often than not don't pan out.

ok..i'm really done this time...
 
Texecutioner said:
That's exactly what Cowher has been doing. Waiting for the right job to open which is another reason why I like the guy, because he's smart and isn't dumb enough to take over some job that will blow up in his face. Cowher almost did take that Buffalo job two years ago though, which is what really tripped me out at the time. He was out there for like a week negotiating with Ralph Wilson of all people and when Wilson wouldn't commit to spending a certain amount of money to bring in quality players, Cowher said no thanks and wasn't going to screw himself to a job where the owner didn't seem committed to building a winner. Good for Cowher. I think he'd love to work here just like many other coaches since Bob Mcnair is such a softie for his coaching staff.
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Yep. Almost all - if not all - head coaching vacancies are with losing teams. It is not very often that a winning team with lots of talent loses a coach to a firing or retirement.

A guy like Cowher has a ring, as well as lots of money and respect, so it is simply not in his best interest to take a job that is not optimal for him. I really don't understand the lack of understanding of this mentality and the criticism that this indicates that he is not a good coach. His records speak for themselves, and a guy like Kubiak can't even walk in Cowher's shadow at this point in time.

Even weirder is the perspective that we don't want a head coach with a ring, because of some silly statistic (i.e. "no coach has ever won two SBs with two different teams"). This from a team that has one winning season in it's history and absolutely nothing to speak of with regards to post-season experience. I say we get to the playoffs multiple times before we start concerning ourselves with winning a Super Bowl. Walk before you run and all that jazz.
 
Mr teX said:
Noone is saying or has been saying they wouldn't want him to spend $$$ necessary to bring in these caliber of guys...but the key word is necessary. Would you honestly have approved of the FO dropping 100 million on a fat, lazy team-cancer inducing turd like Haynesworth? I know i wouldn't have & i bet many others wouldn't have either. Hell, People here scoffed at ATL giving Dunta what he got...& rightfully so.
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Good lord, get off of Albert Haynesworth. What does he have to do with anything? Every time this discussion pops up you or someone else brings this guy up as if he's the only free agent that's ever hit the open market. It's not a good example at all to use. Hardly anyone thought that Haynesworth was ever going to be a guy to sign a lot of money to. People knew he was a contract player and no one is surprised at how he played after getting paid, so stop throwing this guys' name around in every discussion that has to do with free agency as if he's the platform to look at when considering free agent moves.
 
thunderkyss said:
Drafting Rogers in the first & letting him sit behind Favre for a few years, is about on the same level (to me) as trading two 2nd round picks & signing Matt Schaub, who I believe was the top QB available at the time.
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One was a draft pick to look towards the future, and the other was a guy that was brought here to be a starter right away because the Carr experiment was over and we didn't have a QB. These situations couldn't be more different and that was a terrible comparison.

thunderkyss said:
2006: We get two of the top 10 FA DEs (Kalu & Weaver). 4 of the top 8 stayed with their original teams.
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This is BS. Kalu and Weaver were never hot commodities on the market. They were average players when we signed them and nothing more.

thunderkyss said:
2009: Suggs and Peppers didn't move ( I think they were franchised) There was Jason Taylor & Antonio Smith, we got Antonio. We also signed Cato June, and franchised Dunta Robinson.
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Antonio Smith was no hot commodity either. The Texans didn't have to break down any doors to get him against other teams. He was slightly above average and had some potential to him, but don't try and paint him as something he wasn't.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. Almost all - if not all - head coaching vacancies are with losing teams. It is not very often that a winning team with lots of talent loses a coach to a firing or retirement.

A guy like Cowher has a ring, as well as lots of money and respect, so it is simply not in his best interest to take a job that is not optimal for him. I really don't understand the lack of understanding of this mentality and the criticism that this indicates that he is not a good coach. His records speak for themselves, and a guy like Kubiak can't even walk in Cowher's shadow at this point in time.

Even weirder is the perspective that we don't want a head coach with a ring, because of some silly statistic (i.e. "no coach has ever won two SBs with two different teams"). This from a team that has one winning season in it's history and absolutely nothing to speak of with regards to post-season experience. I say we get to the playoffs multiple times before we start concerning ourselves with winning a Super Bowl. Walk before you run and all that jazz.
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I know, it's like suggesting that putting Andre Johnson on the cover of Madden 2012 is going to make him break his legs...

Correlation does not equal causation.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. Almost all - if not all - head coaching vacancies are with losing teams. It is not very often that a winning team with lots of talent loses a coach to a firing or retirement.

A guy like Cowher has a ring, as well as lots of money and respect, so it is simply not in his best interest to take a job that is not optimal for him. I really don't understand the lack of understanding of this mentality and the criticism that this indicates that he is not a good coach. His records speak for themselves, and a guy like Kubiak can't even walk in Cowher's shadow at this point in time.

Even weirder is the perspective that we don't want a head coach with a ring, because of some silly statistic (i.e. "no coach has ever won two SBs with two different teams"). This from a team that has one winning season in it's history and absolutely nothing to speak of with regards to post-season experience. I say we get to the playoffs multiple times before we start concerning ourselves with winning a Super Bowl. Walk before you run and all that jazz.
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That is the philosophy which had me supporting Gary Kubiak to remain as head coach after 2008 and 2009. We were walking in '08 and '09. Unfortunately, instead of running, we fell on our face.

The argument to be made regarding that statistic is one of caution... Just because a coach was successful with one organization doesn't mean he is likely to be again (George Seifert, Mike Ditka) would be a couple alarming examples. I would agree with the argument that we don't go hunting after a coach who has won a Superbowl, as if that is the main criteria. I might shoot myself in the head if we tried to hire Barry Switzer, for instance. That being said, it would be hard not to be extremely excited about Bill Cowher or Tony Dungy being hired as HC.

I just don't think Cowher or Dungy was available this off-season. I don't think Gruden was either (wouldn't want him). Given that belief, other than Marty Schottenheimer, I'm not sure there was anyone out there I would want as the Texans new head coach heading into 2011.
 
thunderkyss said:
What gets me, is that no matter how much history has shown that their ideas are no more a sure fire guarantee for success than what McNair did, they believe if McNair had took their "advice" we'd have multiple SuperBowls by now.

McNair should have hired Cowher, or Gruden, or Fisher, or some other "proven" head coach.

Never mind Jimmy Johnson in Miami, Gibbs in Washington, Vermeil or Martz or any number of coaches who have gone on to do "not so well" with other franchises.

Never mind that no Super Bowl winning coach has ever got a second team to the Super Bowl.

Never mind that Tomlinson wasn't a proven head coach.

Never Mind that Sean Peyton was never a head coach prior to the Saints, or that he didn't bring in a "proven" DC for his first 4 years.

Never mind that Mike McCarthy had no success whatsoever prior to being a head coach.
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Man I swear, you'll go to any length you can to make it seem like the Texans haven't been that bad or that the coaching staff and management haven't been that bad. Here in this post as usual, you make stuff up that's not even true. If you expect people to take your posts seriously, you might want to at least get your facts straight when making an argument, because there are several inaccuracies in this and it's for a lost cause to begin with.
 
dalemurphy said:
I just don't think Cowher or Dungy was available this off-season. I don't think Gruden was either (wouldn't want him). Given that belief, other than Marty Schottenheimer, I'm not sure there was anyone out there I would want as the Texans new head coach heading into 2011.
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It isn't even a question of whether or not Cowher was available. He was out there assembling an entire staff and everything. The right jobs didn't open up for him though. This was the perfect off season to go after Cowher, because the NY Giants job was probably going to be the one that competed with our coaching job the most. As usual though, we failed to do anything because Gary is a nice guy with good hair.
 
Texecutioner said:
It isn't even a question of whether or not Cowher was available. He was out there assembling an entire staff and everything. The right jobs didn't open up for him though. This was the perfect off season to go after Cowher, because the NY Giants job was probably going to be the one that competed with our coaching job the most. As usual though, we failed to do anything because Gary is a nice guy with good hair.
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You can not possibly know whether McNair talked to Cowher about the Texans. Yours is a self-fulfilling possibly: you assume the worst about McNair and therefore the worst must be so.
 
Texecutioner said:
It isn't even a question of whether or not Cowher was available. He was out there assembling an entire staff and everything. The right jobs didn't open up for him though. This was the perfect off season to go after Cowher, because the NY Giants job was probably going to be the one that competed with our coaching job the most. As usual though, we failed to do anything because Gary is a nice guy with good hair.
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There you go again, spouting off with more inaccuracies. How do you live with yourself lying to all of us day after day? Gary Kubiak has the worst hair of any coach in the NFL! Have you seen a closeup of his receding hairline? It looks like a boomerang landed on his forehead, or maybe he's trying to channel his inner-Manning...

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It's just awful, stop pretending like Kubiak has the greatest hair just because you love him so much. If you could take a step back from humping his leg, you might be able to see how bad his hair really is. It's all frizzy and carelessly stuffed under his headset, he certainly doesn't maintain it as well as other coaches like Mike Tomlin, Bill Belichek and Sean Payton. Even Jack Del Rio had a great year in 2006 where he looked quite dashing after switching to TRESemme.

Year after year, we have to deal with the shortcomings of his poor taste and stupid hair stylist. Seriously, what is he thinking surrounding himself with a stylist that agrees this is the look for him? He's had 6 years to find a competent hair dresser, but each time he fails because he wants one of his buddies to do it. If only he would go to Sportclips and get a new one who will challenge his attempt to pick a halfway decent look, then maybe he could command an NFL team properly.

I think given his track record of years of incompetence and poor taste, the only solution is to fire him and bring in a head coach with some real style. Someone who knows how to be a trendsetter and boldly don a style that he made his own. That's right, I'm talking about the man and his legendary mustache, Bill Cowher! Only he can redeem this franchise from 10 years of bad haircuts and no style!

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dalemurphy said:
You can not possibly know whether McNair talked to Cowher about the Texans. Yours is a self-fulfilling possibly: you assume the worst about McNair and therefore the worst must be so.
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Again, here we are with "we don't know what goes on" excuses. :vincepalm:

These are the lamest attempts to excuse Mcnair. We've heard this song and dance from you and a few others for years Dale, but at the end of the year it's the same sad results for the team and the same company line of "we'll build through the draft."

And yes I do know that he didn't talk to Cowher, because Cowher's been the hottest name on the market since he left the Steelers. Any time there has been even a hint that Cowher was talking to a team, it was all over the news and the sites that report this stuff. It was well documented when he was talking to the Bills as well. If Cowher and the Texans had been talking at all, the stuff gets reported. You guys who come up with this skull and Bones theories of the Texans secrecy where we never find anything out is just sad. It's just excuses for Uncle Bob because he brought football back to Houston. There was no reports about Bob talking to Cowher, because we resigned Kubiak last year and Bob Mcnair had no plans on ever firing Kubiak in the first place because "we were on the right track" in Bob's world. Why would he have talked to Cowher? He was happy with the team and their 6-10 record.
 
Texecutioner said:
Again, here we are with "we don't know what goes on" excuses. :vincepalm:

These are the lamest attempts to excuse Mcnair. We've heard this song and dance from you and a few others for years Dale, but at the end of the year it's the same sad results for the team and the same company line of "we'll build through the draft."

And yes I do know that he didn't talk to Cowher, because Cowher's been the hottest name on the market since he left the Steelers. Any time there has been even a hint that Cowher was talking to a team, it was all over the news and the sites that report this stuff. It was well documented when he was talking to the Bills as well. If Cowher and the Texans had been talking at all, the stuff gets reported. You guys who come up with this skull and Bones theories of the Texans secrecy where we never find anything out is just sad. It's just excuses for Uncle Bob because he brought football back to Houston. There was no reports about Bob talking to Cowher, because we resigned Kubiak last year and Bob Mcnair had no plans on ever firing Kubiak in the first place because "we were on the right track" in Bob's world. Why would he have talked to Cowher? He was happy with the team and their 6-10 record.
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Here is where your bias comes through so clearly. Bob McNair's statements regarding 2010, even in the midst of the season, don't even resemble "we are on the right track" nor did he sound "happy with the team and their 6-10 record".

The idea that you know McNair didn't explore Bill Cowher because it wasn't reported is laughable. We are not in New York. We are an unsuccessful, young franchise with one newspaper. The national media has very little concern for us, the local media is pathetic, and the Texans are a very closed organization. I, nor you, have any idea whether Cowher was a consideration or not. Seeing that there were a lot of jobs available this off-season and he never seriously looked at any of them, it is reasonable to conclude that he was not interested in coaching this season

There are plenty of things to criticize Bob McNair for without making stuff up. I do not understand your need to fictionalize your attacks. Stick to the facts. There's plenty there to complain about.
 
dalemurphy said:
Here is where your bias comes through so clearly. Bob McNair's statements regarding 2010, even in the midst of the season, don't even resemble "we are on the right track" nor did he sound "happy with the team and their 6-10 record".

The idea that you know McNair didn't explore Bill Cowher because it wasn't reported is laughable. We are not in New York. We are an unsuccessful, young franchise with one newspaper. The national media has very little concern for us, the local media is pathetic, and the Texans are a very closed organization. I, nor you, have any idea whether Cowher was a consideration or not. Seeing that there were a lot of jobs available this off-season and he never seriously looked at any of them, it is reasonable to conclude that he was not interested in coaching this season

There are plenty of things to criticize Bob McNair for without making stuff up. I do not understand your need to fictionalize your attacks. Stick to the facts. There's plenty there to complain about.
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Bias?? You just keep digging and digging that hole of yours. And now you're as desperate to say that a fan of the team has a bias?? :spit:

Seriously Dale this just gets more comical at this point. Now the excuse is that we just have one local paper so none of our news gets out there? Man, you'll never change. Every off season it's the same with you. You tell us we don't know what the Texans are doing like there is no media outlets that cover everything in the NFL. You get excited about every mid level or cast off from another team and act like they're some great player to get optimistic about no matter who they are. You excuse Mcnair and his minions for not doing jack and act like they're being smart and that the conservative approach is the right way to go. Only every time your analysis proves to be completely wrong while the criticisms for not filling the holes we need to fill every year get highlighted and the team train wrecks because of it.

I see and read about a ton of the stuff that the Texans do before they do it. I hear about a lot of the stuff the Texans are involved with. There is nothing wrong with Houston as a city. I hear about every team around the NFL. This yearly spin that "we just don't know" and that there is all this mystery about what we might have tried is just 3 year old excuse that is tiring and sad now. I can't believe that we're going into year 6 now with this regime and you're still spewing this same stuff that you've never been correct on yet.
 
Dutchrudder said:
There you go again, spouting off with more inaccuracies. How do you live with yourself lying to all of us day after day? Gary Kubiak has the worst hair of any coach in the NFL! Have you seen a closeup of his receding hairline? It looks like a boomerang landed on his forehead, or maybe he's trying to channel his inner-Manning...

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:spit:

Wish the system would let me rep you. Love the humor! :heh:
 
Texecutioner said:
That's exactly what Cowher has been doing. Waiting for the right job to open which is another reason why I like the guy, because he's smart and isn't dumb enough to take over some job that will blow up in his face.
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So there is something about what McNair, Kubiak, & Smith has done here that is good.... a decent foundation? Decent talent?
Texecutioner said:
I think he'd love to work here just like many other coaches since Bob Mcnair is such a softie for his coaching staff.
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I thought McNair was the cheap bastid that won't let us have any top tier FAs.
 
Texecutioner said:
One was a draft pick to look towards the future, and the other was a guy that was brought here to be a starter right away because the Carr experiment was over and we didn't have a QB. These situations couldn't be more different and that was a terrible comparison.
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The subject is commitment to win. Spending a first round pick on a QB to replace a legend is equivalent to giving up 2 second rounders to replace a #1 overall never was.

IMO that is....... towards showing a commitment to win.
Texecutioner said:
This is BS. Kalu and Weaver were never hot commodities on the market. They were average players when we signed them and nothing more.
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BS?????? I provided a link, showing Kalu & Weaver to be in the top 10 of DEs available that year. The link showed that 4 of the top 8 stayed with their original team.

I did not say anything that was not supported by the information in the link.
Texecutioner said:
Antonio Smith was no hot commodity either. The Texans didn't have to break down any doors to get him against other teams. He was slightly above average and had some potential to him, but don't try and paint him as something he wasn't.
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Again, I said nothing that was not supported by the info in the link.
 
thunderkyss said:
So there is something about what McNair, Kubiak, & Smith has done here that is good.... a decent foundation? Decent talent?
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Yeah, they've got a decent foundation and decent talent. They've been here 5 years now.


thunderkyss said:
I thought McNair was the cheap bastid that won't let us have any top tier FAs.
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What the hell does this have to do with whether or not he's softie towards his coaches or not? Why do you ask such silly questions that don't solve anything? I said that many coaches would want to coach under an owner like Mcnair because he's soft on his staff and gives them a very long leash and he's not controlling. Most coaches would want to work for something like that. We weren't discussing whether or not if Cowher would or wouldn't come here as far as free agents go. It's quite possible that Mcnair would go after a lot more fee agents if a coach like Cowher or someone else was here. Maybe he'd listen to them and they'd convince him. We already know that he doesn't go after them under Smithiak though. There is 5 years to prove that. Stop looking for angles to argue just to argue. It's a waste of time.
 
thunderkyss said:
The subject is commitment to win. Spending a first round pick on a QB to replace a legend is equivalent to giving up 2 second rounders to replace a #1 overall never was.

IMO that is....... towards showing a commitment to win.
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We had no QB. Of course they were going to go out and get one. Spending two draft picks to get a QB doesn't prove squat. If this is what you're going to try and use out of 5 years, man this is sad.

thunderkyss said:
BS?????? I provided a link, showing Kalu & Weaver to be in the top 10 of DEs available that year. The link showed that 4 of the top 8 stayed with their original team.

I did not say anything that was not supported by the information in the link.
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What does your link prove? It doesn't prove anything. Weaver was an average player on a great Ravens defense that made him look better. The Texans didn't even have to compete to get Weaver or Kalu. They were average players on the market and that's all the Texans have ever signed.


thunderkyss said:
Again, I said nothing that was not supported by the info in the link.
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Smith is probably the hottest free agent that they ever went after and that speaks volumes and proves my point exactly. The fact that you're trying to use Weaver, Kalu, and Smith as evidence to suggest that we don't have an awful GM and scouting department for free agents isn't making a case for the Texans. You're making them look worse actually.
 
Texecutioner said:
Good lord, get off of Albert Haynesworth. What does he have to do with anything? Every time this discussion pops up you or someone else brings this guy up as if he's the only free agent that's ever hit the open market. It's not a good example at all to use. Hardly anyone thought that Haynesworth was ever going to be a guy to sign a lot of money to. People knew he was a contract player and no one is surprised at how he played after getting paid, so stop throwing this guys' name around in every discussion that has to do with free agency as if he's the platform to look at when considering free agent moves.
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Do you even read the crap you post? Yes, "everyone" knew he was a contract player, "everyone" knew he was not a guy that you want to give alot of money to........ but guess what? every damn team was still set to go after the guy when he became a FA. Even Tenn. who knew about this guy's tendencies to slack off.

And the only reason Haynesworth is brought up "every" time is b/c he's just the latest. But,

hey, you've bragged about checking in on rotoworld to see who's doing what in FA lol, feel free to take your pick of all these sought after names to hit FA that get ridiculously overpaid only to not live up to the hype & in many cases set those respective franchises back years. Off the top of my head:

Larry Brown
Scott Mitchell
Javon Walker
Nate Clements
David Boston


soon to be added to the list:

Dunta Robinson


I'm sure there are tons more lesser known ones that i don't know about but are none of those "good" examples either lol? Knowing you, i suspect not. But rather than come back with something to back your claim, you'll just side step it & harp on the same crap you've been on. Nothing is ever a "good" example to you when it doesn't fit in your little rigid box or you can't formulate any semblance of a credible retort to it. You don't have a clue.
 
Mr teX said:
Do you even read the crap you post? Yes, "everyone" knew he was a contract player, "everyone" knew he was not a guy that you want to give alot of money to........ but guess what? every damn team was still set to go after the guy when he became a FA. Even Tenn. who knew about this guy's tendencies to slack off.

And the only reason Haynesworth is brought up "every" time is b/c he's just the latest. But,
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What is your point? Get off of Haynesworth. No one cares how bad he's been. Most people predicted he wouldn't live up to anything and the minute you run to the "Look at what happened to the Redskins" you show exactly how little you have to offer in a discussion regarding free agency and why the Texans should or shouldn't make moves. You look for the worst example you can find and then you just pipe all over it thinking you're making a point, but it shows that you don't have anything to fall back on. No one cares about a lousy fat ass like Haynesworth and no one ever expected the Texans to go after him.

Mr teX said:
hey, you've bragged about checking in on rotoworld to see who's doing what in FA lol, feel free to take your pick of all these sought after names to hit FA that get ridiculously overpaid only to not live up to the hype & set franchises back years. Off the top of my head:

Larry Brown
Scott Mitchell
Javon Walker
Nate Clements
David Boston


soon to be added to the list:

Dunta Robinson

I'm sure there are tons more lesser known ones that i don't know about but are none of those "good" examples either lol? Knowing you, i suspect not. But rather than come back with something to back your claim, you'll just side step it & harp on the same crap you've been on. Nothing is ever a "good" example to you when it doesn't fit in your little rigid box or you can't formulate any semblance of a credible retort to it. You don't have a clue.
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No, nothing from you is ever good enough because you're a homer for Smithiak and an apologist who spins things and after several years of posting has yet to admit that all of your constant excuses and defense tactics for Smithiak has proven to be all wrong because they have never succeeded. You've called yourself a homer in the past by your own admission so why would anyone take your arguments as valid when you've been proven wrong for several years now. You don't seem to get it. Your credibility is shot when you say the same stuff over and over and keep finding yourself to have been incorrect. There are years worth of posts where you've said the same stuff you're saying now and you've been wrong over and over.

And how pathetic to just pull up a list of players that didn't work out for teams. Are you really that scared? The Texans build through the draft mentality has never worked and yet you cheer with these pom poms and want them to do the same thing over and over. I'd be a fool to consider anything you've said at this point as a sound argument when it's the same jargon that's been written for years. How have you not figured out yet that you're theories haven't worked? At least own up and admit that you've been wrong before calling anyone's posts crap. When you can't do that it just shows that you'll stick up for whomever coaches here no matter what and that you're just going to toe the company line. Forget about actually being objective. Forget about the fact that the Texans were just 6-10 and Mcnair's over all record is a losing one. Forget that the Texans are bottom feeders around the league still. They're doing everything they can to land free agents. We just don't hear about it, because it's a secret and we're right on the right track.
 
dalemurphy said:
Here is where your bias comes through so clearly. Bob McNair's statements regarding 2010, even in the midst of the season, don't even resemble "we are on the right track" nor did he sound "happy with the team and their 6-10 record"
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I get what you're saying, but actions speak louder than words. Lots of people with the Texans say the right things but their actions, so far, have not reflected a lot of those words.

Yes Bob McNair said he wasn't happy, but he hasn't done a whole lot to really 'change' things...

That said, even though some people aren't all that enthusiastic about it, I give him credit for bringing in Wade..a credible d-coordinator...

Off-season isn't over, but I can completely see why people think we will see the same old, same old in the up-coming months and maybe into the season..
 
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Please expound?
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Even after the horrific 2005 campaign, we at least had a new regime to look forward to. We had hope. What do we have now? A good defensive coordinator coming in to solve all of the this team's problems? I'm not buying it. Well, I guess I am buying it since I'm renewing. But, you know what I mean.
 
Texecutioner said:
What the hell does this have to do with whether or not he's softie towards his coaches or not? Why do you ask such silly questions that don't solve anything? I said that many coaches would want to coach under an owner like Mcnair because he's soft on his staff and gives them a very long leash and he's not controlling.
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True. But you also said he turned down the Bills job because they wouldn't spend money on FAs......

Texecutioner said:
What does your link prove? It doesn't prove anything. Weaver was an average player on a great Ravens defense that made him look better. The Texans didn't even have to compete to get Weaver or Kalu. They were average players on the market and that's all the Texans have ever signed.




Smith is probably the hottest free agent that they ever went after and that speaks volumes and proves my point exactly. The fact that you're trying to use Weaver, Kalu, and Smith as evidence to suggest that we don't have an awful GM and scouting department for free agents isn't making a case for the Texans. You're making them look worse actually.
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The links prove they were the best, or among the best at their position in those respective FA markets.

It's not that the Texans were being cheap, they were looking at certain positions, and got the best they could at the time.
 
Texecutioner said:
The Texans build through the draft mentality has never worked....
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Yeah....

signed
Walter, Leach, Dressen, Schaub, Myers, Wade Smith, Antonio Smith, Shuan Cody, Mark Anderson, Jason Allen

(a bunch of guys who prove the Texans don't use a draft only mentality)
 
Texecutioner said:
What is your point? Get off of Haynesworth. No one cares how bad he's been. Most people predicted he wouldn't live up to anything and the minute you run to the "Look at what happened to the Redskins" you show exactly how little you have to offer in a discussion regarding free agency and why the Texans should or shouldn't make moves. You look for the worst example you can find and then you just pipe all over it thinking you're making a point, but it shows that you don't have anything to fall back on. No one cares about a lousy fat ass like Haynesworth and no one ever expected the Texans to go after him.



No, nothing from you is ever good enough because you're a homer for Smithiak and an apologist who spins things and after several years of posting has yet to admit that all of your constant excuses and defense tactics for Smithiak has proven to be all wrong because they have never succeeded. You've called yourself a homer in the past by your own admission so why would anyone take your arguments as valid when you've been proven wrong for several years now. You don't seem to get it. Your credibility is shot when you say the same stuff over and over and keep finding yourself to have been incorrect. There are years worth of posts where you've said the same stuff you're saying now and you've been wrong over and over.

And how pathetic to just pull up a list of players that didn't work out for teams. Are you really that scared? The Texans build through the draft mentality has never worked and yet you cheer with these pom poms and want them to do the same thing over and over. I'd be a fool to consider anything you've said at this point as a sound argument when it's the same jargon that's been written for years. How have you not figured out yet that you're theories haven't worked? At least own up and admit that you've been wrong before calling anyone's posts crap. When you can't do that it just shows that you'll stick up for whomever coaches here no matter what and that you're just going to toe the company line. Forget about actually being objective. Forget about the fact that the Texans were just 6-10 and Mcnair's over all record is a losing one. Forget that the Texans are bottom feeders around the league still. They're doing everything they can to land free agents. We just don't hear about it, because it's a secret and we're right on the right track.
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Pretty mcuh did what i knew you'd do...completely sidestep, change your stance & ramble on...

Funny, you're talking about owning up to being wrong....yet you can't even own up to being wrong about crap you've incorrectly spout off about. Typical Texecutioner post. Its funny really b/c guys like you will critcize the John McClain's & Richard Justice's of the world all day. Well at least they have some kind of inside connection to the team that lends credibility to what they say..albeit not too much. Then you'll turn right around & expect folks to believe any & everything you say regarding the texans or whatever. Why? Because you read Rotoworld, Lol. Really?

At this point your bias is obvious. You can't even keep someone's stance long enough in your head to formulate a response that makes sense...Like i said, YOU. DON'T. HAVE. A. CLUE...
 
Lucky said:
We have Bob McNair to thank for that.
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Lucky said:
Even after the horrific 2005 campaign, we at least had a new regime to look forward to. We had hope. What do we have now? A good defensive coordinator coming in to solve all of the this team's problems? I'm not buying it. Well, I guess I am buying it since I'm renewing. But, you know what I mean.
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My point has more to do with the lockout and CBA situation than a McNair bitchfest.

No free agency, no player trades, no player signings and no workouts to read about = Worst off-season ever.

In turn, we'll have more threads similar to this one. Rainbows, rain clouds and egos all balled up in one lovely thread.
 
Double Barrel said:
Even weirder is the perspective that we don't want a head coach with a ring, because of some silly statistic (i.e. "no coach has ever won two SBs with two different teams"). This from a team that has one winning season in it's history and absolutely nothing to speak of with regards to post-season experience. I say we get to the playoffs multiple times before we start concerning ourselves with winning a Super Bowl. Walk before you run and all that jazz.
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Yep, until Emmit Smith, no rushing champ had ever won the Superbowl....good thing they didn't 'buy in' to the curse. Maybe we should dump Arian Foster just in case.

dalemurphy said:
You can not possibly know whether McNair talked to Cowher about the Texans. Yours is a self-fulfilling possibly: you assume the worst about McNair and therefore the worst must be so.
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It's easy to assume the worst when he retains Kubiak after no playoffs AGAIN and then tells the world that the Texans are "On the Right Track" after dropping 3 games from their previous record. It's like listening to THIS guy talk:

07-minister.jpg
 
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thunderkyss said:
Yeah....

signed
Walter, Leach, Dressen, Schaub, Myers, Wade Smith, Antonio Smith, Shuan Cody, Mark Anderson, Jason Allen

(a bunch of guys who prove the Texans don't use a draft only mentality)
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Again, you prove my point completely with this list and you don't even know it.

All these guys together have amounted to nothing but a bunch of 8-8 seasons and a 6-10 season in year 5, but go right back and pat Gary Kubiak on the back for doing a great job.
 
Mr teX said:
Pretty mcuh did what i knew you'd do...completely sidestep, change your stance & ramble on...

Mr teX said:
Funny, you're talking about owning up to being wrong....yet you can't even own up to being wrong about crap you've incorrectly spout off about. Typical Texecutioner post. Its funny really b/c guys like you will critcize the John McClain's & Richard Justice's of the world all day. Well at least they have some kind of inside connection to the team that lends credibility to what they say..albeit not too much. Then you'll turn right around & expect folks to believe any & everything you say regarding the texans or whatever. Why? Because you read Rotoworld, Lol. Really?
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You should have listened to GP a long time ago when he told you to stop digging. You more you post the more you expose that you don't have an informative response here, and it's a waste of time. You're a cheerleader for the Texans and nothing more where objectivity doesn't even exist. Next off season you'll be hammering the same exact garbage once again when the Texans don't do anything again like you've done for several off seasons now and by the team's results it's only showed that you'll spin excuses for management over and over.

Mr teX said:
At this point your bias is obvious. You can't even keep someone's stance long enough in your head to formulate a response that makes sense...Like i said, YOU. DON'T. HAVE. A. CLUE...
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Lol!! My response to the drivel from some of the homers like yourself has been the same every season in here. Gary Kubiak sucks as a HC and Rick Smith is not a real GM and the Texans won't go anywhere with these clowns and that building through the draft only won't get this team anywhere. Unfortunately I've yet to be proven wrong by your heroes on Kirby.
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disaacks3 said:
Yep, until Emmit Smoth, no rushing champ had ever won the Superbowl....good thing they didn't 'buy in' to the curse. Maybe we should dump Arian Foster just in case.
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Come to think of it, no coach with the first name "Gary" has ever been to a Super Bowl, so what the heck are they thinking? The Texans are not a first-time-for-everything kind of team, 'eh??

disaacks3 said:
It's easy to assume the worst when he retains Kubiak after no playoffs AGAIN and then tells the world that the Texans are "On the Right Track" after dropping 3 games from their previous record. It like listening to THIS guy talk:

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yeah, 5-7 for the fourth year in a row, and his "right track" comment did not seem to reflect reality or inspire confidence in the fan base that he can see the forest through the trees. He said this after they lost to go 5-8 after starting the season 4-2. Even the casual fans who don't follow the team every day had to wonder WTF he was babbling on about with this one.

I just re-read that article, and this line really makes me wonder:

"I was just overwhelmed by the comments our competitors had to say about our team, because it had never happened before," said McNair. "They were all, frankly, pulling for us after the way we came back (Monday night) and they were heartbroken and they could see how upset I was."
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"and they were heartbroken and they could see how upset I was" - could the other owners have been patronizing him since he was so upset about the loss? They've all been there, but I have honestly never heard and NFL owner whimper so much in public. They had to be thinking "noob" as they patted him on the back and winked at each other. Bob never realized the "kick me" sign that they had just planted on his backside.
 
Double Barrel said:
Come to think of it, no coach with the first name "Gary" has ever been to a Super Bowl, so what the heck are they thinking? The Texans are not a first-time-for-everything kind of team, 'eh??



yeah, 5-7 for the fourth year in a row, and his "right track" comment did not seem to reflect reality or inspire confidence in the fan base that he can see the forest through the trees. He said this after they lost to go 5-8 after starting the season 4-2. Even the casual fans who don't follow the team every day had to wonder WTF he was babbling on about with this one.
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But you don't know what he was really thinking. That was just owner talk to the public. We don't know what he was really saying behind closed doors. You don't know if he called Cowher that same night and was turned down either. For all we know he was all over management and was trying to contact every available HC on the market, but the lockout looming scared them all away and circumstances just screwed the Texans.

Double Barrel said:
I just re-read that article, and this line really makes me wonder:



"and they were heartbroken and they could see how upset I was" - could the other owners have been patronizing him since he was so upset about the loss? They've all been there, but I have honestly never heard and NFL owner whimper so much in public. They had to be thinking "noob" as they patted him on the back and winked at each other. Bob never realized the "kick me" sign that they had just planted on his backside.
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Oh yeah, go ahead and insult the guy that bought football back to Houston. That was really an easy task. A man that accomplished as much as he has isn't near that gullible to buy into any of that. Give me a break. He's a multi Billionaire and he deserves our utmost respect as fans. We should be happy just to have a team and to have something to talk about. Remember all those years when we had nothing after Bud left. If you think that Bob isn't committed to putting out a winning team than you're just piping out of your gums and aren't really a committed fan.

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Texecutioner said:
But you don't know what he was really thinking. That was just owner talk to the public. We don't know what he was really saying behind closed doors. You don't know if he called Cowher that same night and was turned down either. For all we know he was all over management and was trying to contact every available HC on the market, but the lockout looming scared them all away and circumstances just screwed the Texans.



Oh yeah, go ahead and insult the guy that bought football back to Houston. That was really an easy task. A man that accomplished as much as he has isn't near that gullible to buy into any of that. Give me a break. He's a multi Billionaire and he deserves our utmost respect as fans. We should be happy just to have a team and to have something to talk about. Remember all those years when we had nothing after Bud left. If you think that Bob isn't committed to putting out a winning team than you're just piping out of your gums and aren't really a committed fan.

:sarcasm:
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Speculation & opinions half-way rooted in facts still does not equal definitively knowing. This is where your whole argument falls on its face & why you just can't seem to get it.
 
Mr teX said:
Speculation & opinions half-way rooted in facts still does not equal definitively knowing. This is where your whole argument falls on its face & why you just can't seem to get it.
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No, I've got 5 years of a lack of action to fall back on. You've got 5 years of saying using these same excuses and spin efforts that have proven to equal failure, and yet you can't come to grips with the fact that you've been proven wrong and that the lack of action have not gotten the team anywhere. But go right on ahead and keep hiding under the same line of "we don't know" what happens and act like the Texans somehow are the only team in the league that knows how to operate under extreme secrecy and that there has never been a problem with their approach to improving the team. Keep ignoring the fact that we still haven't even sniffed a playoff birth and that we just went 6-10.
 
Texecutioner said:
Great!! We've got two while the majority of other teams around the NFL have like 10 and above. We're on the right track baby!!! :whip:
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Now we got two but if you notice for Culliver there are question marks for the date. Now, I'm hoping that is because 28 teams were at the South Carolina pro day and we were there but it couldn't be confirmed if we were looking at Culliver or the other two guys.

Either way, nice to see we are the only team that's made two visits in the league. Oh and yeah, we don't know what the team is doing because this stuff never gets reported. It's just that 31 other teams have reported who they've met with or what college pro days they've attended.


NFL | Three South Carolina players work out for execs
Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:18:17 -0700

South Carolina S Chris Culliver, WR Tori Gurley and DL Cliff Matthews worked out in front of personnel from 28 of 32 NFL teams Wednesday, March 30, at South Carolina's Pro Day, reports The Associated Press. Neither of the three players are expected to go in the first round of the NFL Draft



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#ixzz1ICw6R01s
 
If nothing else this thread shows that no CBA, and no real news makes too many people absolutely illogocal.

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