McNair: "We're not going to do something we think is crazy"

Discussion in 'Texans Talk Archive' started by Lucky, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. Lucky

    Lucky Moderator

    Joined:
    May 1, 2004
    Messages:
    14,336
    Likes Received:
    1,526
    McNair keeps yapping and McClain keeps writing it down.

    Yeah, we wouldn't want to see anything crazy. Like keeping a coach and GM (and "core group") who've done squat for 5 years. Or playing the youngest set of CBs in NFL history. I could be much more confident about the Texans chances in 2011 if McNair would just shut his pie hole.
     
    Carr Bombed and VTexan like this.
  2. buddyboy

    buddyboy All Pro

    Joined:
    May 17, 2006
    Messages:
    835
    Likes Received:
    89
    I'd be more concerned if McNair came out and said, "you know what, we really NEED to get just about anyone. We are desperate to get that big name FA."

    Bye bye leverage. Anyway, it's lose lose for anyone in the Texans' FO right now, fans are going to twist words to fit their criticisms regardless of what they say.
     
  3. Wolf6151

    Wolf6151 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    132
    Location:
    Pearland, Texas
    I have to agree with Lucky on this one "We're not going to do something we think is crazy", yea because what you've been doing for the last 5 yrs. is working so well and that core group of players is doing so well they've earned 1 winning season going 9-7. It's scary that McNair really thinks they're on the right track and doing things the right way.
     
  4. nero THE zero

    nero THE zero Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Messages:
    2,749
    Likes Received:
    184
    Location:
    Spring
    Leverage only matters when it is used. This has nothing to do with leverage and has everything to do with the team's philosophy. They're simply not going to go out and throw money at players. McNair says it himself; he'll spend money on his own players and "build through the draft."

    Be prepared for the Texans to bring in a second rate CB to pair with Kareem Jackson. That is what McNair is telling you is going to happen.
     
  5. nero THE zero

    nero THE zero Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Messages:
    2,749
    Likes Received:
    184
    Location:
    Spring
    It's not that his philosophy is flawed. There are some great teams that do it this way. The problem the Texans have is that building through the draft only works when you're good at drafting. They're not.
     
    Carr Bombed likes this.
  6. disaacks3

    disaacks3 Site Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2004
    Messages:
    11,431
    Likes Received:
    963
    Location:
    Spring, TX
    Goodbye Aso, it was nice to dream. If you're not willing to pay top 3 $ to a top 3 guy, another team surely will. Bob, maybe YOU think top-tier free agents aren't worth the investment, but then you've never been to the playoffs either.
     
    GP and HuttoKarl like this.
  7. El Tejano

    El Tejano Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2004
    Messages:
    9,942
    Likes Received:
    449
    Yep. The exact translation word for word.
     
  8. HoustonFrog

    HoustonFrog Dallas Frog

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    12,421
    Likes Received:
    785
    Location:
    Dallas
    Word!

    I said the same awhile back. This guy just sounds like he wants to keep tooting the mediocre horn. "We are going to hold back money to keep the core group of guys who have done nothing. More years for everyone...players and coached. Good guys yah! Cheers."
     


  9. Second Honeymoon

    Second Honeymoon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2005
    Messages:
    5,330
    Likes Received:
    437
    Location:
    The Woodlands, Texas
    please go **** yourself, McNair. just continue doing what you do best, being an abysmal failure and a bad owner.

    it has worked out so well to date. at least you have great fans like 'Joe Texan' who don't really care how much you suck, as long as you keep rolling out crap they will keep buying it....but rest assured, most of your good fans aren't as naive as those type of fans.

    At the end fo the day, your franchise is a joke and you are committed to one thing. $$$$$. so please spare us the dog and pony show. the day you decided to keep not just Rick or Gary, but both...told me all I needed to know about you. You are a pile of crap and I hope you go away and take this pathetic franchise with you. You will not be missed.
     
    Porky likes this.
  10. dalemurphy

    dalemurphy Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    6,154
    Likes Received:
    670
    Location:
    Austin
    This is a ridiculous thread. I get it. You aren't happy with the losing. Still, though, why does that mean fans are justified in taking every quote out of context and using it as another jumping off point for a ***** session?

    He said they aren't going to radically overpay for a free agent. This is a problem for someone? If it is, go enjoy the Washington Redskins organization. Some of you same board members were outraged that we "overpaid" for Antonio Smith. The Texans thought he was worth the money, outbid the rest of the NFL for him and he has been highly productive.

    This year's free agency crop is the strongest group of players, particularly on defense, in five or more years. Prudently but actively spending money in free agency this season will be highly beneficial. And, that is what he is saying they are going to do. The Texans are consistently in the top third of the league in payroll. It is the winning that has been a problem, not the willingness to utilize financial resources. The past few free agent markets have been abysmal. For instance, the two best available CBs in FA last year were: Dunta Robinson and Leigh Bodden. Did you really want the Texans to spend the money it took to get those guys?

    Perhaps you would prefer them to return to the overspending philosophy under Casserly?

    Todd Wade
    Zac Weigert
    Robaire Smith
    Seth Payne
    Gary walker... all getting ridiculous contracts... yep, that worked out real well.
     
  11. Hardcore Texan

    Hardcore Texan Magnet Man

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    Messages:
    9,464
    Likes Received:
    844
    Location:
    Round Rock, TX
    Please don't bring logic and reason into this......just grab a pitchfork and join in!
     
    Yankee_In_TX and nflnutswife like this.
  12. Tailgate

    Tailgate Fall of Hame

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2004
    Messages:
    3,178
    Likes Received:
    205
    Location:
    Houston, TX - Born and raised
    Agreed. But what I think everyone is upset about is how he said we are not going to overpay anyone more than we think they are worth. Sometimes you have to overpay to land who you want and make that sacrifice in order to help the team in a desperate area. He also says we are not going to do anything that they think is crazy. It very well may take a crazy amount to land a top FA CB this year. So I can see both sides.
     
  13. Hardcore Texan

    Hardcore Texan Magnet Man

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    Messages:
    9,464
    Likes Received:
    844
    Location:
    Round Rock, TX
    Paying top dollar for Aso = not crazy.

    Paying top dollar for Haynesworth = crazy.
     
  14. jaayteetx

    jaayteetx Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    3,583
    Likes Received:
    240
    Location:
    Albuquerque,NM
    Let me get this straight, you want the owner and his team to go away? And yet you still sport an an avatar supporting said team and post on a message board dedicated to them? Ok, makes sense I suppose.
     
  15. houstonspartan

    houstonspartan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2009
    Messages:
    3,129
    Likes Received:
    192
    Location:
    The Inner Loop
    Dale, we already know that you are perfectly fine with 6-10 as long as we rack up stats. What you fail to understand is that McNair has not earned the benefit of the doubt from his fans, and so every single thing that comes out of his mouth is questioned - with good reason.

    This teams track record gives fans a basis on which to form opinions. And that's why, when people read McNair's quotes, they jump to conclusions. He has not given us any other reason not to.
     
  16. Double Barrel

    Double Barrel Modified Simian

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2004
    Messages:
    33,499
    Likes Received:
    3,168
    Location:
    Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
    Signing an elite player through free agency can be a very traumatic experience. :heat:
     
  17. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2004
    Messages:
    56,566
    Likes Received:
    3,014
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Sure they have given us reason to doubt but not to lose all reason. Who are the most successful franchises around? - maybe Pittsburgh and New England, maybe throw in Indy. Do any of them go crazy in free agency? Do any of them overpay for players, even their own? No. I certainly want the Texans to be players in the free agent market when/if it happens but these remarks do not reflect a bad, aberrant or cheap philosophy.
     
    ChampionTexan likes this.
  18. HoustonFrog

    HoustonFrog Dallas Frog

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    12,421
    Likes Received:
    785
    Location:
    Dallas
    Why is it ridiculous? It isn't a pitchfork mentality. It is a frustration with an owner who doesn't seem to get it. You can point out, as Cak did, that there are teams that play it smartly and win but they also have used this philiosophy successfully and won and they have coaches, GMs and people in place to make it work. A philosophy is only as good as the people creating and executing it. So far the creators and executors of the Texans version have been a massive fail. Coach, GM, owner....stay the course. That is a fail.

    Where was the failure last year? Defense. Who is on the market? Top player at his position. There is a difference between throwing money at the 5 mediocre players you named and going after a top guy. Why do you think The 49ers and Cowboys went after Deion...it brought another championship. Balancing money to keep guys who aren't getting it done and to fill in with "nice" FAs isn't something that has worked here so far. It is that simple. So until their version works, there is ample reason for people to wonder why they don't go and get a stud. That is sound logic. Become a winner. Try something else since in 9 years your way hasn't worked.

    Overall what he is saying sounds prudent and nice but in reality is same story, different day. Running a post up offense is a nice philosophy unless you are running it with guys under 5'10.
     
  19. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2004
    Messages:
    56,566
    Likes Received:
    3,014
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    The thing is McNair didn't say they would only go after mediocre players and that is the way it is being spun. They may want to pursue Aso but have placed an upper value on him of $15 mil per year. If he wants $22 mil per year then yeah they shouldn't overpay like that. In a capped league there is a price to be paid for over paying. There has to be a cut-off somewhere.
     
  20. HoustonFrog

    HoustonFrog Dallas Frog

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    12,421
    Likes Received:
    785
    Location:
    Dallas
    I agree in some part. And honestly, I didn't take it as he would only go after mediocre guys....you could get a Cromartie, who would fit, but he is sketchy background wise so I doubt he is here. I was just pointing out to Dale that those 5 guys weren't guys I'd consider top FA or near the top and they overpaid. I think at some point you have to get an instant upgrade and go outside the comfort zone when there are top tier guys that instantly make your weakness and plus. Rare guys.
     

Share This Page