houstonhurricane
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I couldn't agree more.
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Rumor: John Clayton guessing that Wade Phillips coming Kubiak staying
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I couldn't agree more.
GP
Go Texans!
WHat? Get out of town.
Gruden was a defense guy in Oakland and a defense guy in Tampa. With both places having a VERY mediocre offense with VERY mediocre QBs who just barely got it done on game day.
You guys are off your rocker.
And even if you are right, look at those offenses he "led" at Oakland and Tampa. That's what you want here? LOL. No freaking way. Not this guy.
Well, Dungy couldn't get the team he built to the Super Bowl, so Gruden should get some credit. Plus the team that Gruden built made it to the big game, as well.
But I'm not a fan of Gruden. He's a fun television personality, but his obsession with QBs is detrimental to his ability to operate as a consistently successful head coach.
With regards to Wade coming here, my biggest fear is that 2011 will be given the benefit of the doubt due to a "rebuilding season" for switching to a 3-4 defense. They have a built in excuse for another mediocre year if the results do not end in a playoff trip. I see two more years of Kubiak - minimum - if they keep him and bring in Wade.
Next Monday will really bring Bob McNair into a better focus regarding what kind of owner he is in the end, because a quest for quality does not include retaining an average coach with a 36-43 record after five seasons.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Mario and A.Smith are both ideally suited to play DE in a 3-4, IMO. Mario wouldn't like the position because he would not be able to accumulate double-digit sack totals but he would excel in the system.
GP
Go Texans!
Another similar possibility is this:
Cowher, it has been perceived, has been angling for the Texans job since last year. And the rumor persists to this very day.
At first, Bob said we were on the right track (after the Ravens game). But all of a sudden, following the Broncos debacle, things are looking different.
Some names have been floated out there. Names none of us believe could be an honest-to-goodness accurate list of candidates for replacing Kubiak. The names don't fit, in our opinions, because of various situations...most importantly because Rick Smith would be rolling the dice on a replacement HC who has to 100% get this team to the playoffs. None of the guys on this current list of potential candidates gives us confidence in a happy ending.
It's been almost a decade since Bob McNair kick-started this team. He hasn't made any sort of big splash with personnel. OK, maybe Casserly was a popular well-known NFL guy we can say was a "splash." That's still a stretch, IMO. A "splash' would be a former Super Bowl winning head coach who had a honest-to-goodness LEGACY at Pittsburgh. That, my friends, would be a splash.
Now comes the slight-of-hand, smoke and mirrors act. If you are Bob McNair, you can't just fire Kubiak on Monday and hire Cowher on Tuesday. Hell, you can't even hire Cowher that same week IMO. Why? Because Cowher was angling for this job last year, the rumors persisted all the way through this season, and you just fired Kubiak. And turned around and immediately hired Cowher. That's going to be flagged for 15 yards by the image consulting department at Reliant. You can't be perceived as potentially havingyour guy in the bag well before the end of the season.
In fact, it could also be that Cowher himself wants it done this way. He wants to make sure the season is over, the dust has settled, and Kubiak is well out of the picture before entering Reliant facilities and doing all the interviews with all the sports media.
It is possible that the plan has been cooked up for quite some time, and these names being floated out there is just one part of the image-sustaining effort by McNair & Cowher. They both want to avoid the ugliness if they can.
I'm not saying this is how it is. Just saying that if Bob McNair is a smart man, he fires the majority of the staff (based on Cowher's recommendations, obviously) and then he hires a proven winner and allows him to rebuild the coaching staff and draft HIS players to fix the mess on defense and add some stuff to the offense as he also sees fit.
That's IF McNair is a smart man. If he's not, then we'll see what Troy Calhoun or Bobby McDungledorf or Tommy Fingerlicker can do with a 10-year-old EXPANSION team. Surely Bob's not a dope to the point that he thinks he can go low-key on HC for a third-straight time? LOL. We'll see.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Bum was never HC for the Eagles.
I think you meant the Saints?
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
lol well so much for that supposed nugget. has he ever co-ordinated a 4-3 at NO, Philly, Denver or the Bills?
scourge
Digression King
For the Eagles he may have been referring to Buddy Ryan instead of Bum Phillips, though I don't know what defensive scheme he ran while in Philly
Buddy Ryan ran a 46 defense which is a variation of the 4-3, Fisher and Williams both run it currently
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I remember reading on a Bills board when Phillips was fired that they wouldn't mind him coming over there as DC. I think they mentioned that while he's mostly a 3-4 guy, the Bills implemented a 4-3 successfully for a little bit under him. Maybe not long... I think it was due to injuries or lack of personnel or something, but he put them in a 4-3 base.
Point is, I have this sneaking suspicion that he's a pretty smart defensive mind and, while he likes the 3-4 better, I don't think he's a complete dumba** when it comes to the 4-3. I could see us going a hybrid system next year.
Yes they are
I wont forget and I dont think most of the fan base will either.
McNair is trying to get the fan base off his back.
He's in a pickle over this. Because he needs to hire a proven winner and most of the fan base wont accept less.
With that said Smith will be retained.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I normally like LaCanfora, but referencing the on-field fight between Smith and Cushing? Dude needs to get some context before pushing that crap.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It was considered a 4-3 D with the moving of a safety up into the "box" instead of a fourth linebacker that was used in a 4-4 D. That was the D anchored by Reggie White.
As an aside, it's funny how many fans (excluding you) refer to the "4-6 defense" instead of the "46 defense." There was never such a formation that used 6 LBs. The "46" was the jersey number of the safety that showcased Ryan's new scheme.
After the Texans blew the Denver game 24-23, I didn't see how owner Bob McNair could bring back coach Gary Kubiak for a sixth season. Now I'm hearing McNair will keep Kubiak but will insist that he hire a new defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach. That means Frank Bush and David Gibbs will be gone. McNair could demand more changes.
I've never seen a coaching controversy like this one. So many fans and some members of the local media want Kubiak to be fired. The Texans could finish 5-11, their worst record since 2005, which was Dom Capers' last season. And yet two defeats ago, McNair said he thought they were on the right track.
McNair is patient and optimistic. Like Kubiak, he's aware of the controversy, but McNair's going to do what he believe is best for the team. The more I think about it and the more people I talk to the more I'm convinced McNair is going to announce early next week that Kubiak will return.
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2010/12/i_believe_kubiak_will_return_a.html
That was McClains latest comments on this subject, posted 'bout 15 minutes ago.
I've never seen a coaching controversy like this one. So many fans and some members of the local media want Kubiak to be fired. The Texans could finish 5-11, their worst record since 2005, which was Dom Capers' last season. And yet two defeats ago, McNair said he thought they were on the right track.
McNair is patient and optimistic. Like Kubiak, he's aware of the controversy, but McNair's going to do what he believe is best for the team. The more I think about it and the more people I talk to the more I'm convinced McNair is going to announce early next week that Kubiak will return.
http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2010/12/i_believe_kubiak_will_return_a.html
That was McClains latest comments on this subject, posted 'bout 15 minutes ago.
ThaShark316
#28
i believe Hervoyel(Sp?) said it...
McNair wants to be like PIT and not DAL/WAS, hiring/firing coaches every six seconds....
I just don't see this team doing **** with Kubiak anymore.
McNair wants to be like PIT and not DAL/WAS, hiring/firing coaches every six seconds....
I just don't see this team doing **** with Kubiak anymore.
Nevermind thi post, refer to my next one.
I'm sorry, I see what you & others are saying in response to my post. I didn't mean to imply the rift was caused because of the money. It was (from my understanding) an ego thing. Jimmy didn't even want to go to Jacksonville but the way Jerry handled the, "He can't go anywhere unless I let him" aspect is what started the ego battle.
I don't think McNair would toy with other genuine head coaching candidates if he plans on keeping Kubiak.
I heard on the radio on the way home, that the rumor is if they can get Wade as DC, Kubiak stays. If not, they'll be looking to replace Kubiak. I only like that idea, because it's sort of like hedging your bets.
Let's say Kubiak is blaming the defensive woes on injuries, then we start 2011 giving up 400 yards a game like we did in 2006 & 2010, fire Kubiak, promote Wade (who has done nothing but win as a head coach).
Of course that only works, if McNair still has faith in Kubiak. I know the players still believe in Kubiak, though it isn't common for the players not to buy-in with the knew coach, it has happened, Singletary in SanFrancisco, Shanahan in Washington, Mangina in Cleveland, Shell in Oakland, etc...
I don't know why he wouldn't just hire Wade as the head coach, and skip the interim step. Like I said, Wade has a history of winning. While I don't think he is the best candidate out there, if we want him as a just in case.... I mean what kind of thinking is that? To think Gary is more qualified than Wade with his history. To tell Wade, "I want you as a DC, but not as a HC, unless Kubiak screws me again"
Really?
Are you really saying you have faith in Kubiak if you're hiring his Interim replacement already?
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Disclaimer: This post is total speculation. I'm just putting 2 and 2 together.
I think this is a done deal and has been for weeks. That would somewhat explain the Frank Bush at the bar story.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think some kind of deal was struck before the Ravens game. Otherwise, I doubt we see Bum in Texans gear on Battle Red Day.
I'm going to reserve judgment and just hope for the best. Wade might just be what the doctor ordered. This is the kind of hire that ended up putting the Saints over the top.
I think this is a done deal and has been for weeks. That would somewhat explain the Frank Bush at the bar story.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think some kind of deal was struck before the Ravens game. Otherwise, I doubt we see Bum in Texans gear on Battle Red Day.
I'm going to reserve judgment and just hope for the best. Wade might just be what the doctor ordered. This is the kind of hire that ended up putting the Saints over the top.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I don't think Wade would totally see it that way. He's said that he would be interested in going somewhere to coach again even if its a DC position and not the HC. Wade would fill a void we desperately need at DC. Kubiak could focus on Offense. If Kubiak is fired and Wade is now our HC... we still need to find a new DC even if Phillips has a lot of say in it.
I just feel like our quickest way to start winning is going the Phillips DC route. If Phillips can't turn this defense around... there's no way he would have made a better HC for us.
Thunderkyss, I agree with nearly everything you say except for the fact that the Texans should hire Wade as head coach and get rid of Kubiak. Count me out!
As far as "why" McNair's handling of Wade goes, who is to say McNair isn't the one who is high on hiring Wade? You guys in Texas are obviously no strangers as to what happens in Dallas. It won't exactly be a great PR move to fire Kubiak only to bring in a coach who many claim has the exact same faults as Kubiak, if not worse.
As far as "why" McNair's handling of Wade goes, who is to say McNair isn't the one who is high on hiring Wade? You guys in Texas are obviously no strangers as to what happens in Dallas. It won't exactly be a great PR move to fire Kubiak only to bring in a coach who many claim has the exact same faults as Kubiak, if not worse.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Exactly!
BTW, I got Rick Roll'd.
LMAO. Nothing personal. Been doing it for a couple of years now. I tried to rep you, but I have to spread some around.
Could somebody get him for me?
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Done.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
John Clayton of ESPN is also reporting this speculation as well:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5966936
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
HoustonFrog reporting that this team and organization is quickly becoming a punchline.
Well, the lesson to take from this is that LaCanfora, like the rest of the national media, perceives the Texans to be a bottom-dwelling joke of a football operation right now.
And to be quite honest, that's how I'm perceiving them to be, as well.
I read your disclaimer, so this is more of a piggy-back to your point than taking you to task.
The problem I have with this comparison is that Kubiak has not shown any inclination in the past five years to be the head coach and team leader than Sean Payton has been for the Saints.
I don't think a better defense will magically transform Kubiak into something he has not been for five seasons.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Sure, folks see a clip and they will ask questions. But not to offer up the context of it, while leveraging it in promoting their digital footprint is shoddy at best, for his trade and past work.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'm not sure why an excuse for Gary is that he might be like "add guy who is great coach." 5 years shows he is not
cameronkrazie86
Rookie
This would be a good hire for the defense which is positive news. However, the downside is another year of Kubiak and unfortunately, that's not something I'm looking forward to seeing.
I'm so sick and tired of seeing new and creative ways to lose that as a fan, I want wholesale changes. The way this season has gone, I'm eagerly awaiting a missed field goal in overtime that gets returned for a game winning TD from Jacksonville this weekend. I mean, they've had just about every other possible way to lose, why not add that one?
Phillips would be a good hire if they're going to keep Kubiak anyway. It's just very disappointing to think that not even this trainwreck of a season can get him fired. Regardless, go Texans and I'll support Kubiak if he stays.
I'm so sick and tired of seeing new and creative ways to lose that as a fan, I want wholesale changes. The way this season has gone, I'm eagerly awaiting a missed field goal in overtime that gets returned for a game winning TD from Jacksonville this weekend. I mean, they've had just about every other possible way to lose, why not add that one?
Phillips would be a good hire if they're going to keep Kubiak anyway. It's just very disappointing to think that not even this trainwreck of a season can get him fired. Regardless, go Texans and I'll support Kubiak if he stays.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I don't disagree at all. The reason why I made the comparison is because Payton is the only other HC I know of that calls his own offense....at least according the the NFLN analysts.
I don't see the same leadership qualities in Kubiak that I see in Payton. I also think Schaub is a great QB, but nowhere close to the leader that Drew Brees is...but then again, I don't think any other QB comes close to Brees in that regard.
All we can do as fans is hope that Kubiak has learned something more about leadership from all the adversity this season. I hope a real fire has been lit under his ass.
Disclaimer: This post is total speculation. I'm just putting 2 and 2 together.
I think this is a done deal and has been for weeks. That would somewhat explain the Frank Bush at the bar story.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think some kind of deal was struck before the Ravens game. Otherwise, I doubt we see Bum in Texans gear on Battle Red Day.
I'm going to reserve judgment and just hope for the best. Wade might just be what the doctor ordered. This is the kind of hire that ended up putting the Saints over the top.
Bum has been a Texans fan since the beginning. He's also been supporting Kubiak all year. There were several games where he was on the morning show with ND & Mark, and he's been saying Kubiak is a great head coach.
I think it was before Wade was fired when he said that.
texanchris
Waterboy
We are going to use :wadepalm: a lot more if Wade becomes our D coordinator
yep. And that's where perception comes into play. If had been two Patriots going at it, the media would report about their fire and intensity. But when Texans players do it, it's a sign of a team in turmoil and sinking fast.
I can only speculate, but perhaps he was just referring to the players going at it as a result of frustration due to the losing record and sorry state of the defense, both indicative of a head coach with his head up his butt.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Ah man, you gotta love this Frog. You go from having to root for a soft Wade Phillips in Dallas for several years all the while having to root for a soft Gary Kubiak in Houston. Both teams fall on their faces, and what does the even more loserish organization the Texans do? They go out and get the other soft guy who was coaching in Texas. Lol!
All you can do is just laugh. If they do this, I'll continue to root against them, because they won't go anywhere. I could care less if Kubes somehow makes it to the post season in his 6th season here. He'll fail and do a ton of dumb stuff like a non playoff coach does that will never win in the post season.
This move is right up Mcnair's alley. Like you said, this organization is a joke. The fact that Kubiak and Rick Smith are still employed right now is a travesty to any sports fan in Houston.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Here this is if you didn't see it in the other thread
http://thegame.podbean.com/2010/12/29/alanzo-highsmith-12-28-10/
texansdrummer
Veteran
If we are keeping Kubes, this is as good of an option as we have. Had our defense held opponents to less than 23 points a game, we'd have 11 wins right now. Holding an opponent to less than 23 points is a reasonable thing to ask/expect of a defense, if you want to make the post-season.
If our defense had only allowed 23 points, our offense wouldn't have scored 17. That's the way it works here.
Just enough......
wildroot
Rookie
I don't have a problem with Wade as a DC but looking down the road if Kubiak ever got canned, I'm not too comfortable with Wade as HC. And this dosen't address Gary's sputtering offense that shows up for about a quarter of each game. This offense from a HC that has had five years to fine-tune this thing.
And if Gary has to be pushed into a corner to save his job by firing Bush, what's that say about his commitment to doing what's best for this team...clearly this change shouldn't come at the business end of an ultimatum.
I don't like it.
And if Gary has to be pushed into a corner to save his job by firing Bush, what's that say about his commitment to doing what's best for this team...clearly this change shouldn't come at the business end of an ultimatum.
I don't like it.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I've written the bolded ad nauseum. I just don't know how this addresses any of the coaching issues from this year. The O was just as bad to start games and he never adjusted to start each game it seemed. What bothers me the most is the majority here have said THIS year is playoffs or bust for the guy for 2-3 years yet there is then an excuse or a hemming and hawing about it. The defense is bad because he handed it to a friend. That was supposed to the straw that broke the camels back but I guess there are alot of extra camels for people.
wildroot
Rookie
There's three problems.
The defense
The inconsistent offense
Gary's inability to take on/fix/identify/react to the issues facing this team.
He simply want to stay the course with what he has and hopes they work themselves out. Problem is, he dosen't get forever. He's had his forever.
The defense
The inconsistent offense
Gary's inability to take on/fix/identify/react to the issues facing this team.
He simply want to stay the course with what he has and hopes they work themselves out. Problem is, he dosen't get forever. He's had his forever.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Interesting... I privately assumed he had previous experience. So what exactly makes him qualified to be a DC? Genuine question.