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Rumor: John Clayton guessing that Wade Phillips coming Kubiak staying
- Thread starter Jackie Chiles
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We'll get Singletary to "motivate" the guys.
The only thing I can think, is that this fits McNair's sense of "family"
If he buys Kubiak's excuses this time, leaves him as HC, bring Phillips (sun of Bum who says Kubiak is doing a fine job), he'll have someplace to go if he decides to cut Kubiak at a later date.
This would be similar to hiring Frank Bush & keeping Richard Smith.
I think it would be possible if there were a real HC in that equation also. He would have to have a real strong personality to overide those 2 marshmallow personalities. However if we bring in a legit HC they are going to want to appoint their own guys.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If a HC contract is dissolved by firing or by mutual agreement, both parties would be "free agents," free to re-negotiate another contract with different terms.
drs23
Veteran
So all this talk about Unk Bob being on the hook for the remaining 2 years of GK's contract are unfounded? McNair wouldn't have to "eat" the last 2 years of GK's contract? I've wondered about that because they can sign players to contracts for X amount of dollars and years but if they get cut then, see ya, no more cash. Is it or is it not different with management?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
LMAO if people think Kubiak would stay on as OC... :kubepalm: The only way Kubiak is in Houston next year is if
a) He's still the HC or b) completely unemployed.
And yes, I would love for Wade to be the DC. We have more pieces in place (save our secondary of course and a big space eating nose tackle) to run the 3-4.
I wouldn't mind Kubiak remaining as HC, Wade as DC. That said, the final piece(s) of the puzzle is to lose Rick Smith and spend some money on a real GM.... You know the kind... The kind of GM where the HC works for the GM, not the other way around like this current broken model.
a) He's still the HC or b) completely unemployed.
And yes, I would love for Wade to be the DC. We have more pieces in place (save our secondary of course and a big space eating nose tackle) to run the 3-4.
I wouldn't mind Kubiak remaining as HC, Wade as DC. That said, the final piece(s) of the puzzle is to lose Rick Smith and spend some money on a real GM.... You know the kind... The kind of GM where the HC works for the GM, not the other way around like this current broken model.
A coaches contract is normally guaranteed money unless exceptions are made in the contract. If there are no buy out clauses, if Kubiak is fired, McNair would be on the hook for the remainder of the contract. But, if both parties agreed to dissolve the contract, then I think they could do so and then write a new one. Could be also that it is written in his contract that he could be reassigned, though I doubt it.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Bob needs to make up his mind and fast (after the season). If Denver covets Kubiak as much as is rumored, the Texans could actually work a draft pick for releasing Kubiak and letting him go to Denver. See John Gruden being "traded" from the Raiders to the Bucs for a 5th round pick, IIRC.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
actually it was something retarded like 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders and some other lower picks aswell iirc
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Gruden:
1st round/21st overall, 2002
2nd round/53rd overall, 2002
1st round/32nd overall, 2003
2nd round/33rd overall, 2004
Herm Edwards:
4th round, 2006
1st round/21st overall, 2002
2nd round/53rd overall, 2002
1st round/32nd overall, 2003
2nd round/33rd overall, 2004
Herm Edwards:
4th round, 2006
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Holy snikeys, that's what the Bucs gave up to get Gruden??? I don't remember all that!
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
It was outrageous, but I would be happy with a 4th round pick should Kubiak move on to Denver.
Wolf
100% Texan
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Kubiak and Wade...Dumb and Dumber.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
how about trading Kubiak for something the next coach could use?
I'd be happy with that too!
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm trying to get this straight. Gruden a coach with a .509 in his last 7 year long gig is the salvation of the team at HC and Phillips with a .609 in his last gig isn't competent to be DC even. Offensive guy managed to get his team to have a top half of the league offense twice in seven seasons. Defensive guy managed top 10 D in 3 of 4 seasons.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
exactly. perception is reality around here these days. ppl dont want schotty either apparently. dont want to get knocked out of the playoffs early. thats a step down apparently
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Just a thought but why on earth would Gruden still want to go to TB knowing they just gave up a 1st and 2nd rounder for each of his first Two seasons? That hamstrings you so much. Guess that's why he took Dungys team to the playoffs that year and then it all went downhill. Not totally Grudens fault but he literally made the bed he slept in. Or whatever that saying is
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
It seems real simple to say offense + defense = good. But Phillips doesn't help Kubiak become better at forcing a team to play 60 minutes or using his best RB in key sitations or learning timeouts 101. Kubiak has failed overall. You know the offense wasn't exactly burning it up in games where they fell behind by 14-21.
Also, Phillips had alot more talent than the Texans on D this year and they regressed. So for whatever that is worth.
Kubiak has had his hands in everything that has been done for 5 years. EVERYTHING. I have a hard time believing a D Coordinator makes him a better coach and decision maker.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
What a horrible movie that was.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Just an observation. Didn't mean to derail the it is all Kubiak's fault train.
But while we're talking, how about at least be good at your specialty as a standard for coaches? Gruden inherited a D in Tampa that had been top 10 for 5 years with 4 of 5 top 6 or better before he got there and then he never built a top 10 offensive team and barely made top half. Kubiak got here and quickly built a top 5 O team three years running. In Oakland Gruden's D's got worse each year. I have no faith Gruden is going to come in here and fix the D (oh the irony if his first hire was Wade Phillips) for all the other problems you can point to that is the elephant in the room.
*this is not a pro-Kubiak post so much as I hate the idea of Gruden.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I agree with you here. Not a Gruden fan at all. I can't be the only one who remembers him having 5 different QB's on the roster.
Yes Gruden won a SB but that team was built by Dungey.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I'm with you on the Gruden thing. I think he is better than Gary and he can change the attitude but it isn't like he is a first choice for me. My statement wasn't trying to paint your statement into that specific corner on Kubes but I've seen that same sentiment 3-4 times today where someone says that Kubes is an offensive guru that just needs defensive help. I think it goes WAY depper than that and there is just a bad team philosophy right now.
If anyone heard Alonzo Highsmith Call kinto 1560 this afternoon, he NAILED it concerning what a team needs in a coach. It was a great call and pretty much an indictment on the Texans philiosopjy right now.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I don't know why anyone could get excited over Gruden. He only has celebrity value, which would make him an awesome college recruiter, and nothing more.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
But is the change of attitude a good one? He had tons of controversy, never could pick a QB to save himself and built teams that wildly swung up and down. Not sure that is better attitude. I know lots of fans like to see growling Chuckie faces on the sideline. Doesn't impress me.
Missed it. What did he say?
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
He randomly called in to tell John and Justice what he think makes a great coach and thus a top team. He went through guys like Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, Parcells, etc. He said when they entered a room guys stopped what they were doing and waiting for them to talk. They had some fear in them. Their main goal was to be one of the 11 guys that got to play. When the trams had that attitude and the fear they knew the guy next to them was ready for battle and games. He said he learned the difference his last year in Tampa where they were 2-14 under Sam Wyche. He said guys just kept doing what they were doing when he walked in. They got used to the status quo. He said all of the top guys he played for or saw weren't exactly liked and that he gets suspicious when he hears players like a coach. There is no such thing as a players coach. It was very eye opening. He says the Packers coach now commands alot of respect and he doesn't get blustery or act tough, guys just know who the boss is.
Jimmy Johnson & Jerry Jones had a great relationship until somebody offered Jimmy more money.
Maybe it was the same with Davis & Gruden. Maybe Chucky recognized the early onset of dementia.....
I'm just throwing things out there.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And you know this how?
Like everyone else. I'm just trying to put the bits and pieces together. I live in Pt Arthur Texas, and that's the word around here. Here's a link
At the bottom of the first page there's a snippet about Jimmy coaching the Jaguars. The way I here the story, that's what started everything.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Wow, there is so much stuff in that article and you pull just $$ out of it. I lived that time as a Cowboys fan. It wasn't about money. It was about two gigantic egos.
Wade makes Kubiak looks like that drill sargent in the Geico commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgiUm4lQig
The problem was not money (which in consistent with Jerry Jones). A couple months back Jimmy Johnson was interviewed on a sports radio station in the area and said that by his initial contract he had final say on roster and personnel matters. Once Jerry Jones got the business end of the Cowboys straight, he want to take this power away from Johnosn. When Johnson refused, that is when the football relationship ended.
Edit: If anything the link a few post above this one confirms not contradicts this notion.
GP
Go Texans!
I am not a Gruden fan either.
I didn't like how he played his 13 QBs against each other, in Tampa Bay, throwing one guy out there one week and another guy out there the next week. And having one QB whom, IIRC, was not even on the team but couldn't play elsewhere due to still being under a Bucs contract. I mean, what a colossal FAIL.
Throw in the little MNF thing where he made Derek Anderson out to be Hitler's son (because Derek had the audacity to SMILE during a bad game) and it is just so apparent that Gruden plays reindeer games too much.
IMO, Gruden is the defensive equivalent to Gary Kubiak. Both guys do their side of the ball VERY well, but the other side of the ball is woeful. When I look back on the Bucs championship season, I see an offense that looks like the Ravens offense under Trent Dilfer when the Ravens won their SB title. Both offenses just barely got by opponents solely upon having a QB who didn't make too many costly mistakes, allowing their defenses to shut down offenses and even make some opportunities for themselves, as well.
And you're right about the Jimmy-Jerry thang. That debacle was not about money. It was about Jerry wanting more credit than he deserved. He saw how much Jimmy was being lauded, and he wanted to steal some of that for himself. He was out to ensure that the Cowboys success was more about him than about whatever HC he put out there. It's so obvious to anyone who just observes the chain of events there. From that point forward, Jerry was hell-bent on showing that he could do what Jimmy did. He couldn't understand that his power and influence had limits. He overstepped those boundaries and it has cost him dearly. But oh well, when you buy that franchise (The Cowboys) you pretty much can screw up for 30 years and still retain your fan base because of the legacy and the history there.
Even Broncos fans have two SB titles to look back upon and brag about.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Control of how money is used, not who has the money, is a common source of conflict in many relationships.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
fixed it for you
PERIOD!! Don't want him!!
TheCD
Rookie
Do you mean to say that they are both equivalent? Gruden is an offensive guy that loves elaborate playcalling. I asked my coach after he won the Super Bowl what he thought about him and he said he'd never want to play for him. His play-calls are about 15 syllables long.
Granted, my coach was fine with calling "65 Toss Power Trap".
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
My guess is what's going on is that the Texans will "distance" themeselves from the Cowher talk. They'll float a lot of names of HC candidates and interviewees like Hue Jackson, Troy Calhoun, Mike Sherman, plus several more. That way the fanbase will really be scratching their heads and not wanting those so when its announced Phillips will replace Bush as DC and Kubiak will stay, the fanbase will be more accepting of it than if everyone was led to believe Cowher was a possibility. Damage control, slight of hand, manipulation, mind control... these guys are jedis working on Kirby.
Vinnie
with an I E
As a fan I could accept the scenario of HC/OC Kubiak & DC Phillips, but
many couldn't for sure.
Atleast it would give us a lot to talk about during the long offseason. For example, would Phillips install the 3-4 and if they did, would they contemplate trading Mario to a 4-3 team where he was utilized to the max, as many do think he must be a 4-3 guy for max results ?