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Looking ahead to the Washington Redskins
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b0ng
Bad Hombre
We aren't the best passing attack in the NFL currently.
Honestly though, if the Skins are going to be that focused on Foster, and they aren't going to focus a metric ****ton of defensive resources to corraling AJ (And if Hall is manned up on AJ one-on-one then okay, as a Texans fan I'm cool with that) he's going to eat them up way worse than Miles Austin. One thing we didn't bust out too much against the Colts was the playaction (Schaub's pick was on a PA though), and I don't think the Colts were selling out against the run at all in the second half for whatever reason. I can easily see Dennison/Kubiak putting the ball in Schaubs hands a lot and telling him to make AJ proud.
I'm not really that worried about the Skins offense because I'm not a real believer in Santana Moss. He's decent but I'm spoiled by watching Andre work every Sunday. Chris Cooley is good, but we just got finished out scoring Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. I really hope that Bush puts in the work and finds the seams and the weak spots in the Shanahan offense (Hell Richard Smith did it in 2007, it can't be THAT hard), because from what I saw of their game against the Boys it was a lot of short drops to Cooley.
All that said, I've seen the Texans go on the road and drop a fat deuce right in my eyes when they should've been dropping it on their opponents.
gary
Hall of Fame
I know this thread is about the game on Sunday but I'd just like to point out some stuff regarding McNabb. Overall he has had a great career and should make the HOF. The one thing I think about which has held him back is winning the big game. That day still might come for him but I have always wondered why he has not done as well as I thought he should in the playoffs. I know all about the SB and the NFC game but more recently he has looked great in the season but not so much in the playoffs. I have been trying to figure out why but honestly I do not know. Sorry, did not mean to highjack this thread but I guess I have now lol.
fiasco west
All Pro
I hope the Texans win the game through the air. Should give the Cowboys in week 3 plenty to think about.
I keep hearing about "Foster this and Foster that..." everyone has already forgot about that one guy named Andre Johnson?
Shanny Jr may know how our offense pretty well, and may even know our defense from last year. But I'll guarantee the Bush will have some wrinkles that catches him completely flat footed. This is not the same defense from last year.
I liked how Denver used to jump to an early lead, then run, run, run, BAM hit them with the big pass and run up the score.
Which is another reason we need Scahub to star hot, like he did against Seattle, Cincinatti, and Miami. He needs to be able to start games like that especially against good teams.
Which is another reason we need Scahub to star hot, like he did against Seattle, Cincinatti, and Miami. He needs to be able to start games like that especially against good teams.
Norg
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u know i think we are going to try and run but will have to unleash our Air attack i just got that feeling thats how its going to pan out
U know SHanny is a smart dude he will not respect our RUn he knows what kubes will try and do he thinks the texans will flip flop run heavy last week and then Pass crazy this week
What team will be crazy enough to Let OWEN ANDRE and Kevin walter run around and make 20+ yard Catches
U know SHanny is a smart dude he will not respect our RUn he knows what kubes will try and do he thinks the texans will flip flop run heavy last week and then Pass crazy this week
What team will be crazy enough to Let OWEN ANDRE and Kevin walter run around and make 20+ yard Catches
b0ng
Bad Hombre
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Nobody sleeps on AJ:
Don't sleep on him.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I believe that this is actually overstated by many. If you look at the Oline and how it has changed approach and technique from the last two years (as relates to the run game), it has turned from the classic Gibbs to a much more creative and less predictable form. This doesn't even take into account the strengthening of the Oline in general and the addition of the Texans' first successful power/break-away combination RB.........neither which Kubiak had at his disposal in planning his schemes during little Shanny's era.
This "comfort" level on the part of Shanny may very well lull the Skins into a false sense of confidence of their ability to stop our offense. Let 'em eat cake.
I believe that this is actually overstated by many. If you look at the Oline and how it has changed approach and technique from the last two years (as relates to the run game), it has turned from the classic Gibbs to a much more creative and less predictable form. This doesn't even take into account the strengthening of the Oline in general and the addition of the Texans' first successful power/break-away combination RB.........neither which Kubiak had at his disposal in planning his schemes during little Shanny's era.
This "comfort" level on the part of Shanny may very well lull the Skins into a false sense of confidence of their ability to stop our offense. Let 'em eat cake.
The way I feel about it is if Kyle is over there spending his time tutoring Jim Haslett's defense instead of getting his offense ready, point Texans.
C Madd
Waterboy
I believe that this is actually overstated by many. If you look at the Oline and how it has changed approach and technique from the last two years (as relates to the run game), it has turned from the classic Gibbs to a much more creative and less predictable form. This doesn't even take into account the strengthening of the Oline in general and the addition of the Texans' first successful power/break-away combination RB.........neither which Kubiak had at his disposal in planning his schemes during little Shanny's era.
This "comfort" level on the part of Shanny may very well lull the Skins into a false sense of confidence of their ability to stop our offense. Let 'em eat cake.
I agree it is overstated, but I am trying to give them the most credit possible, and they still don't quite catch up.
Mari-OWNED!
Bucco Bruce
Well Sterling Sharpe, Brian Baldinger, and even Joe "Redskin Homer" Theismann all chose the Texans to win this week on their show Playbook on NFLN.
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SkinsHomer
Practice Squad
Since the 06-07:
Daniels: 208 rec, 2510 yds, 12.1 avg, 5.2 YAC, 15 TDs (respectable)
Cooley: 241 rec, 2781 yds, 11.5 avg, 6.4 YAC, 17 TDs
So if there's an edge at all, statistically, it's Cooley. Cooley is also the same height and 15 pounds heavier (it's probably all hair though haha)
Anything but an easy decision. I'd take either, but if I had a choice, I'd still take Cooley.
Cooley and Fred "Sleepy" Davis are a dream TE set. Who's your second TE? Dreessen? 26 receptions in 11 games for 320 yards in Daniels's absence last season? Compare those to Davis's numbers. 48 recs, 500 yds in 10 games with 6 TDs. If we're goin by numbers, you lose again.
Good point, but we also had Jim "Vanilla Yogurt" Zorn and Jason "Captain Mediocre" Campbell running our offense. We didn't have one of the most prolific passing games in the NFL.
Your offense is good, probably great. I say probably because until you guys perform like you did last week on a consistent basis, you won't be great. Just because we're not Texan fans doesn't mean we're uninformed. I've had Schaub as my starting fantasy QB in at least two leagues for the last three years, I'm well educated about your offense. I respect it and know what it's capable of. But as a Skins fan, I know our defense and also know what it's capable of, probably more than you are. So before you start calling everyone that questions the effectiveness of your offense against our defense uninformed, uneducated, and clueless, you should give it a second of thought.
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
So basically you're saying "My teams better, we're gonna win.. neener neener boo boo".. got it
SkinsHomer
Practice Squad
Anyone can post highlights, man. Just sayin, I respect the guy, but even our practice squad guys have youtube highlights haha.
This, damnit. Thanks for nothin, Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly.
And don't lie, we allllllllllllll want to see Romo get pancaked as often as possible.
1)Not just first round picks, but too much talent. 'Preciate the respect. Going to be VERY interesting to see how our secondary matches up against your ridiculous passing game, I just hope we can get in Schaub's face, throw him off.
2)So technically, you won't have the best LB duo on Sunday :-)
3)FINALLY! Someone giving CP some respect, although he'll have to run better than he did last week, which will be tough.
LAST SEASON! Last season doesn't mean a thing this season, how long is going to take some of you to realize that??? Foster won't get 115 yards. Andre Johnson scares the bejesus out of me though. Our starting safety Kareem Moore is still out and Laron, while he had a monster game against Dallas, makes mistakes sometimes and AJ lives to exploit DB mistakes.
yeah ok, buddy.SkinsHomer
Practice Squad
So basically you're saying "My teams better, we're gonna win.. neener neener boo boo".. got it
hahaha I think both sides are doing plenty of that. I don't think I said anything like that though.
SkinsHomer
Practice Squad
There's no should about it. First ballot, I thought that about him when he was in Philly.
Everyone knows he has issues winning the big game, but to say this game has anywhere near the implications of even a WC playoff game (although, I think some of us think otherwise) is heresy. This is a regular season, non-conference game.
As for the reason he fails to deliver in big games, it's anyone's guess, but I think whatever was holding him back in Philly is not going the be the case in DC. Of course, that's just the opinion of one humble Skins fan
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
But look at how many times Davis was targeted. He was targeted more than Kevin Walter and more than Randal El! The Redskins don't have as many targets to throw to, and Jason Campbell loves the TEs, so it works against Dreeseen and company, since Schaub spreads the ball around. Talent wise, there isn't a big difference.
I was hoping to hear the Texans make this game sound like their Super Bowl.
As noted before, that's the way they need to approach every game. If they lay an egg against Washington, I'll be extremely upset.
Even though they are talented, we should throttle them. We need to see our team not play down to the level of our opponents. Washington has a top ten passing D, but that's what our running game is supposed to loosen up for us.
As for the reason he fails to deliver in big games, it's anyone's guess, but I think whatever was holding him back in Philly is not going the be the case in DC. Of course, that's just the opinion of one humble Skins fan
Same as Peyton, he's basically the offense. In Philly, he was even pseudo offensive coordinator, like Peyton in Indy. They need to get better talent around him (I know they've tried) & they need a "big-picture" guy running the offense, not the guy on the field.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Andre "Beast" Johnson > Pigeon > 3 x's Cooley and the rest of the skins offensive weapons
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Redskins seek to speed up tempo on offense against Texans
Just as the Texans found in their first years of trying to run the Gibbs system, the very opposite is also true..................it takes a lot for the OL to work together and move together..........and it just takes that one guy (on the OL), that one mess up (on the OL), that one weak link(on the OL) to limit to the production of the run game to one-yard carries. And even if the OL moves in perfect concert, you better have the right RB to consumate the system. The Skins are on shaky grounds at this point in their "development" of their run game...........our DL is not.
Just as the Texans found in their first years of trying to run the Gibbs system, the very opposite is also true..................it takes a lot for the OL to work together and move together..........and it just takes that one guy (on the OL), that one mess up (on the OL), that one weak link(on the OL) to limit to the production of the run game to one-yard carries. And even if the OL moves in perfect concert, you better have the right RB to consumate the system. The Skins are on shaky grounds at this point in their "development" of their run game...........our DL is not.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
It does when we're talking about the Texans offense. We all talk about needing to be consistent, this season (for Houston) we have to be consistent week in and week out with the same aggressiveness and play a full 60 minutes.
Last season's offense was no fluke. The last two years we've been ranked like the 3rd and 4th best offense in the league. We were the #1 passing team in the league last year, 3rd in 2008. Andre Johnson has been the #1 WR the last two years.
We've got the same passing attack that we've had the last two years, Schaub and the rest of the players are more well versed in their assignments and limiting mistakes, so we as Texans fans have every reason to point to not just LAST season but 2008 as well.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
*record scratch*
He might get in, no way he goes first ballot. He'd be a first ballot, no problem, slam dunk, auto-cinch if we were talking about the Hall of Really Really Good, but there's no way you can say he's a first ballot guy to Canton with a straight face. He's probably competing with Manning, Brady, maybe Brees, maybe Big Ben, and maybe Kurt Warner. I loved watching McNabb play in Philly and I do think that entire fan base did him dirty for an entire decade, but he just really doesn't have the record breaking stats that HOF voters are going to require for him to get in. You could also blame the Philly organization for never getting him anybody worth throwing to besides T.O. for that one year, but that's not going to convince any sports journalist that he belongs in there.
I think that he probably should go in just because he played extremely well for a fan base that hated him and a team that did him no favors really, but if he does get in, I don't think it's going to be first ballot. Which sucks.
On a different note, why are a lot of 'Skins fans trying to hang their hat on Shanahan Jr and Sr working with Kubiak during their careers? There are a lot of coaches who have worked with each other as their careers get longer and longer, but these teams change a lot almost every off season. I mean, am I expected to believe that Kyle Shanahan knows some super secret to shutting down Andre Johnson that isn't "Get in Matt Schaubs face" that the rest of the NFL hasn't figured out? Really? Or that Kyle (again) is going to be able to say for sure that he knows everything that the Texans defense is going to do in the game? I know that Kyle will have some good points for Haslett on our passing offense (And if Kubiak didn't change anything Shanahan jr installed then he deserves to lose anyway), but the only year Kyle was in charge of passing and running our running game was total ****.
If I were a 'Skins guy I'd be talking a whole lot more about Brian Orakpo (Easily the best player on the 'Skins D), London Fletcher, and how the defense is going to play more than who the coaches are. I'd be hyping up finally having a QB who doesn't wilt under pressure, and Chris Cooley, not "Hey my OC came from this team, this is a lead pipe cinch right here". Maybe I'm jaded, but I never bought into Kubiak knowing Shanahan inside and out when the Texans played the Broncos in 2007, or when we played the Cardinals in 2009 and Frank Bush was still somewhat fresh from his stay in Arizona. I've read Kyle's comments on knowing what the Texans are going to supposedly do, and I've read Fletchers comments thinking that they'll have an edge and that's just grand. I think the actual edges that the 'Skins will need to have though will fall into a few categories: Turnovers, penalties, and points allowed. If they can keep the Texans under 20 then they have a pretty good shot at winning the game, but I'd be really scared of a shoot-out happening because the Texans have a ton of talent on offense (Which includes the O-line in a big big way) and have been playing in the same basic offense since 2007, which is mostly an idea that Kubiak has dreamed up.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Couldn't agree more.I think that's funny too. But the way I see it, or the way I'm reading what guys like Orakpo are saying, is that the Redskins have got a great pass rush. Particularly Orakpo. Whenever teams pass the ball, it always exposes the QB and we don't want Schaub getting hit. The more we pass, the more they bring Orakpo and blitzers, the more likely they get turnovers. If we can run hog wild like we did against Indy (who also have GREAT pass rushers) it limits their effectiveness. We control the clock and their biggest asset (Orakpo, Freeney, etc.) is having to chase a ball carrier which isn't their strongsuit.
I hope we can have a balanced offense, win the turnover battle, everyone stays healthy and we walk out of this game with another double digit victory.
I think that's funny too. But the way I see it, or the way I'm reading what guys like Orakpo are saying, is that the Redskins have got a great pass rush. Particularly Orakpo. Whenever teams pass the ball, it always exposes the QB and we don't want Schaub getting hit. The more we pass, the more they bring Orakpo and blitzers, the more likely they get turnovers. If we can run hog wild like we did against Indy (who also have GREAT pass rushers) it limits their effectiveness. We control the clock and their biggest asset (Orakpo, Freeney, etc.) is having to chase a ball carrier which isn't their strongsuit.
I hope we can have a balanced offense, win the turnover battle, everyone stays healthy and we walk out of this game with another double digit victory.
The Skins had a great pass rush. Then they switched to the 3-4. Now you've got a pissed off Albert Haynesworth, youve got your DEs rushing from the LB position, and what is the result?
They had to bring CBs rushers against the 'boys who have one of the worst lines in the NFL.
If the skins pass rush was so good, why did they blitz so often? Why not rely on the LBs and DL?
Seems like I've heard that somewhere before.
Yep! And that vaunted 'Skins pass rush got a total of 1 sack, and 3 total qb hits going against that shambles of a cowgurl OL. Orakpo got 1 qb hit and Carter none. And there 1 sack was on a blitz by the Ilb. They did have decent pressure, but nothing like what we see when we play the colts and even the tinnbreds.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
You know, that's a pretty good point. I had only seen the highlights from last weeks game. I knew Haynesworth is a turd but figured their LBs were getting a lot of pressure. Let's just hope it takes them at least till week 3 to get it together!
You know, that's a pretty good point. I had only seen the highlights from last weeks game. I knew Haynesworth is a turd but figured their LBs were getting a lot of pressure. Let's just hope it takes them at least till week 3 to get it together!
They were getting most of their pressure with blitzes, usually a corner iirc.
redskins11
Practice Squad
On passing plays last week, alot of times we just rushed just 3. On the last play of the game we rushed 3. Alot of our blitzes were corners. I give romo credit for getting rid of the ball quickly. Alot of his throws were rushed or inaccurate.
The cowboys only had 1 sack so is Ware, Spencer and Ratliff all going to suck this year rushing the passer?
As to orakpo and others talking about stopping the run, thats generic defensive player talk in the nfl imo. You always look to stop the run.
But hey, the skins cant win this game, the texans can only lose it. Right. I hope the texans players think the same thing.
Also, I wouldnt assume arian foster is going to continue to light it up. It sounds like you guys think an undrafted 2nd year player is going to rush for 1,500 yds this season based off 1 great game that came in the 1st regular season game against an aging and unreplenished Colts D. I dont know if I would crown foster just yet.
The cowboys only had 1 sack so is Ware, Spencer and Ratliff all going to suck this year rushing the passer?
As to orakpo and others talking about stopping the run, thats generic defensive player talk in the nfl imo. You always look to stop the run.
But hey, the skins cant win this game, the texans can only lose it. Right. I hope the texans players think the same thing.
Also, I wouldnt assume arian foster is going to continue to light it up. It sounds like you guys think an undrafted 2nd year player is going to rush for 1,500 yds this season based off 1 great game that came in the 1st regular season game against an aging and unreplenished Colts D. I dont know if I would crown foster just yet.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
How do you know that AJ lives to exploit DB mistakes? Because of previous seasons. Why do you have Schaub as a QB in some of your fantasy leagues? Because of performance in previous seasons.
Using Last Season as an indicator of what's going to happen this season isn't that far off as long as there haven't been any major changes. Our offense is essentially the same so we can use last year as a general indicator of how it should perform this season.
Last year, Foster ran the ball well in the last two games, the first two games where he got significant playing time. He ran the ball well last week. Expect him to run the ball well this week but don't expect him to be our primary weapon.
Now, YOUR team? You're basing your expectation that your Redskins have a great defense on its performance last season. Is your defense essentially the same as it was last year? No. Not really. You've switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and you've changed defensive coordinators. You've got a bunch of guys playing with a bunch of new assignments. You got gashed for a lot of yards by a Cowboy team that hasn't looked good so far this year and got lucky when they melted down in the red zone.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Well, first off, we're not judging Foster just by this game. He's had 3 games where he's had significant time and in those first two (against the Dolphins and Patriots) he ran for 97 and 119 yards.
Secondly, the Colts D bulked up their DTs and this was supposed to make them more stout against the run game.
Thirdly, the Cowboy D is notorious for not starting off fast when it comes to sacks. The past few years, the Cowboys only get 0-1 sacks in their first game. Last year, the Cowboys didn't get their first sack until the third game. Last year, iirc, Jerry Jones had to jump down Phillips' throat to take more control of the defense before it turned around. (Unfortunately, I live in Dallas and have to listen to a lot of Cowgirl news.)
Fourthly, the Cowboy O-Line is a shambles that was missing 2 starters. And that's what you got pressure against. If your defense is that good at rushing the passer, then you should have gotten more.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
If yall continue with the corner blitzes Schaub has GOT to be able to anticipate them and get the ball out quick. We cannot afford to let him get hit hard a bunch. What worries me about Foster is his blocking ability. Kubiak's biggest pet peeves are RBs that fumble and/or can't help in pass-pro. So I'm hoping Foster will be able to pick up some of these rushers, that will be important.
I'm hoping the Texans ARE thinking that way. Gone should be the days of us thinking the games are dependant on other teams, that's loser talk. A lot of the players this offseason have said that they know they can beat any team if they play like they're capable of. If they make mistakes, the other team will capitalize on them. Words are words... this is the season to see if our Texans can show us with their actions. If we really are good, the game should be dependant on how WE play, not someone else.
I don't think Foster is going tear it up with 233 yards and 3 TDs every week. But if he stays healthy I think 1,500 yards is attainable. That's like 84 yards per game here on out. And it's not just one game, he's had 3 really good games in a row (dating back to last season). It's the way he's running the ball and seeing the holes. The last two games of last season he had 39 carries for 216 yards (5.5 yd avg) and 3 TDs. We've got a significantly better run blocking OL than last year (primarily due to more experience and health) and I suspect they'll continue opening more holes than they have in the past.
I totally agree on the fact its hard to base things on 1 game againt Indy. Indy was trying to limit our passing attack the hole game and they are an undersized/quick defense... not exactly a strong run defense.
Yes.
I din't think that was even in question. What do you mean, when you say over-rated?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
We sure as hell took advantage of Indy's OL. Pure domination.
I don't think we showed a lot defensively last week...No real exotic blitzes...We just straight up beat the people in front of us...
Now they did have some funky alignments with D-linemen standing up, but nothing too strange...
If I'm not mistaken, We didn't rush more than four for a majority of the game...and sometimes we only sent three..
On offense, all we mostly did was pound the rock straight down their throats...
I think all of that is another thing working against the Skins...Watching last weeks film, they really can't tell what all this team can do because we weren't really forced to do a whole lot...
Now they did have some funky alignments with D-linemen standing up, but nothing too strange...
If I'm not mistaken, We didn't rush more than four for a majority of the game...and sometimes we only sent three..
On offense, all we mostly did was pound the rock straight down their throats...
I think all of that is another thing working against the Skins...Watching last weeks film, they really can't tell what all this team can do because we weren't really forced to do a whole lot...
I think the biggest thing, is that it appeared to me that Haslett was still experimenting with different formations (5 LBs, 1 DLman?).
I think you can do that with a Dallas offense with three backups on the OL. I don't think you can do that with an offense as mature as ours.
& I know Haslett came from Pittsburgh, but when he went to Nawlins' he installed ran a 4-3, and never made any indication that he wanted to change (& I think they had the people to do it). When he was in St. Louis, he ran a 4-3, and didn't look like he wanted to change. So I don't know if he's a real 3-4 guy or not.
c10x
Waterboy
Wow 18 pages, and most of you focus on what the redskins board is saying.
Anyways, I think a very underrated matchup will be Eric Winston and Duane Brown against Brian Orakpo. Orakpo is the real deal, and a BEAST. I'm not upset we got Cush because clearly he is a bad bad man, but at the time I was really hoping Orakpo would fall to us.
Anyways, I think a very underrated matchup will be Eric Winston and Duane Brown against Brian Orakpo. Orakpo is the real deal, and a BEAST. I'm not upset we got Cush because clearly he is a bad bad man, but at the time I was really hoping Orakpo would fall to us.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
All the more reason to hope Foster and our OL tear it up again!!!
Exactly, want to slow down the ends?? Run right at them.
Seems like you could audible to a run and pound it on 5 lb's and a DT.