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Kevin Walter??

HuttoKarl said:
Which is why before Kevin Walter we've had so many awesome #2 WR's.

3rd all time receptions for Houston. 3rd all time yards for Houston. 4th all time Receiving TD's.

Dime a dozen.
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Considering the bar was never set very high on this team for #2 WRs, what Kevin Walter has done could be done with numerous WRs on this team with Schaub throwing the ball....

I'll go out on a limb and say if JJ was given the full time gig, he may very well replace those numbers. You could possible go get Breason in FA, he could replace those numbers....

While I like Kevin Walter, he is replacable...
 
BullNation4Life said:
Considering the bar was never set very high on this team for #2 WRs, what Kevin Walter has done could be done with numerous WRs on this team with Schaub throwing the ball....

I'll go out on a limb and say if JJ was given the full time gig, he may very well replace those numbers. You could possible go get Breason in FA, he could replace those numbers....

While I like Kevin Walter, he is replacable...
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Kevin's also only fumbled the ball ONE time in Houston. Forgot to mention that.
 
BullNation4Life said:
WR like Kevin Walter are a dime a dozen. Though he would be missed, it would only be for the short time his replacement takes his locker.

Move on down the road Kevin, we hardly knew ya...:jogger:
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Damn if they're a dime a dozen we sure are overpaying him. Also we should stay well under the cap in 2011 if there are that many out there.

A dime a dozen, really, name nine more is 20 seconds. Can't do it can you.

KW is a key component to this teams offense. He makes clutch catchs and blocks like a steam roller (For a WR). Let him go with out an adequate replacement, and you won't be seeing top 5 Offensive stats out of Houston anymore.

Does anyone remember this team when WR wasn't a strength? I sure do, AJ is the best damn WR in the NFL IMHO, but he wasn't putting up 1,500 yards a season with 2 guys from the secondary hawking him every single play of the game.

Damn we might as well bring Moulds back!!!!!
 
HuttoKarl said:
Hey...he was AWESOME!!!

24 fewer receptions and half the TD's of Walter in two more games with Houston.

Bradford had 65 fewer receptions in one more game than Walter, but did have 4 more TD's.

The rest of our top ten "receivers" are AJ at #1, a smattering of RB's and TE's (OD at #2) and David Anderson at 10.

I do blame some of the poor WR production on HWSNBN, but if a #2 WR is a dime a dozen, why haven't we had more than one?
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Who the GM was in the last regime? There is your answer.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Considering the bar was never set very high on this team for #2 WRs, what Kevin Walter has done could be done with numerous WRs on this team with Schaub throwing the ball....

I'll go out on a limb and say if JJ was given the full time gig, he may very well replace those numbers. You could possible go get Breason in FA, he could replace those numbers....

While I like Kevin Walter, he is replacable...
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Bieng a WR is a lot more than just catching the ball for positive yardage........
 
Section516 said:
Luxury? Losing two won't hurt us? How?

We don't know the status on OD. We don't know how our run games going to look. We don't know if JJ is going to come back big, or fade away. We don't know a lot.

Throwing all these known quantities out of the way for what *might* be upgrades is dumb, especially in this uncapped year.
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I think it's dumb to keep all six of these guys on the roster considering we have a weak secondary, weak interior line, and an inability to run the ball.

Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Jacoby Jones
David Anderson
Andre Davis
Glenn Martinez

Like somebody else said, there's only one football. Let a couple of 'em go and spend the money somewhere else
 
Mr. White said:
I think it's dumb to keep all six of these guys on the roster considering we have a weak secondary, weak interior line, and an inability to run the ball.

Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Jacoby Jones
David Anderson
Andre Davis
Glenn Martinez

Like somebody else said, there's only one football.
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We could probably trade Andre Johnson for the entire Detroit Lions roster. Would that help?
 
Big Lou said:
Bieng a WR is a lot more than just catching the ball for positive yardage........
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Be that as it may, Kevin Walter still could be replaced and this team not miss a beat. Here are 3 that could do so...

Miles Austin
Vincent Jackson
Steve Breaston

I know Jackson was the #1 and Miles played like a #1 but they are both more #2's than #1 WRs and could replace Walter nicely
 
ATXtexanfan said:
I love walter as well but you can only tie up so much money into your receiving core. If letting walter go means keeping OD then it's cool. I hope he stays but he might get an offer he can't refuse.
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Agreed, I love me some KW, but OD is far more important.

Carr Bombed said:
Draft Jordan Shipley if he's there in the 3rd or 4th round and then problem solved. I would love to see Shipley on this team and no..it's not because he's a Longhorn, it's because he's a very good football player and would fit perfectly in this offense.
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I'm not sure how well his game will work at the NFL level, but I'd sure be willing to spend a 4th rounder to find out.

Super Mario said:
I hope they work something out. And no, you cannot replace 6'3" 218 lbs 7 year vet KW with 5'11" 193 lbs rookie Jordan Shipley.

Dont let another valuable vet walk. If you like him so much, sign him to your team!
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KW is NOT AJ and can be replaced, his numbers are not so flashy that no one could match him. No telling how good / bad Shipley will be at the Pro Level - he could be a bomb, or he could be twice what KW is..no telling yet.
 
Super Mario said:
I hope they work something out. And no, you cannot replace 6'3" 218 lbs 7 year vet KW with 5'11" 193 lbs rookie Jordan Shipley.
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Austin Collie (6'0 and 200 pounds) and the Colts beg to differ. :rolleyes:

LOL, this era of NFL football (salary cap/free agency) is all about REPLACING VETS WITH ROOKIES, the teams that do the best job of it are the ones that win year in and year out. You can't keep everyone and by no means is Kevin Walter a franchise cornerstone type player.....teams have to make tough decisions to move on without/replace players of Kevin Walters caliber all the time.
 
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HuttoKarl said:
b.b.b.but they're both white guys!
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Umm....has NOTHING to do with skin color. Has to do with the fact that arguably the most polished, mature, and productive receiver in the draft may go in the middle rounds, right about where we'd be looking for another receiver if Kevin Walter did move on to another team.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Hey...he was AWESOME!!!

24 fewer receptions and half the TD's of Walter in two more games with Houston.

Bradford had 65 fewer receptions in one more game than Walter, but did have 4 more TD's.

The rest of our top ten "receivers" are AJ at #1, a smattering of RB's and TE's (OD at #2) and David Anderson at 10.

I do blame some of the poor WR production on HWSNBN, but if a #2 WR is a dime a dozen, why haven't we had more than one?
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You answered your own question in the same sentence. Gaffney has been productive whenever given a real chance since he's left Houston. David Carr didn't know how to progress through his reads.....his reads went like this -

Look at A.J., is he covered..if no, throw the ball, if yes....dump the ball down to D.D. The next play after that was to take off and run out of bounds with the ball and a loss of yards. :gun:

We now have a QB who can elevate the players around him, Matt Schaub is not David Carr and as far as I'm concerned our franchise's offensive records/stats really started when Matt Schaub took over this team, because before he did Houston wasn't even fielding a NFL QB the first 5 seasons (yes I'm starting to block Carr completely out of my memory)
 
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Who was our number two before kw got here andre Davis

the thing his we got to many wr now and we need to pick up other positions

why would we keep kw when we got jj and a solid vet ad has well

I love kw but I can see why we won't pick him up
 
Norg said:
Who was our number two before kw got here
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Before Walter came here? Jabar Gaffney. Eric Moulds was the #2 WR in Walter's 1st season with the Texans.
andre Davis
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Um, no. Walter joined the team in 2006. Davis in 2007.

If money is a consideration in signing Walter, then cut Davis and his $2.5 million salary and give it to Walter. He's better than Davis.
 
BullNation4Life said:
Be that as it may, Kevin Walter still could be replaced and this team not miss a beat. Here are 3 that could do so...

Miles Austin
Vincent Jackson
Steve Breaston

I know Jackson was the #1 and Miles played like a #1 but they are both more #2's than #1 WRs and could replace Walter nicely
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Miles Austin is not going anywhere.
Vincent Jackson will want to be paid as a #1 WR because that's what he is.
Steve Breaston shows flashes of goodness in between knee injuries and hobbles.

I'd rather have Walter than any of them.
 
Lucky said:
Before Walter came here? Jabar Gaffney. Eric Moulds was the #2 WR in Walter's 1st season with the Texans.
Um, no. Walter joined the team in 2006. Davis in 2007.

If money is a consideration in signing Walter, then cut Davis and his $2.5 million salary and give it to Walter. He's better than Davis.
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Yes.

and carr-bombed...you forgot "going fetal" when talking about the playcalling of the Ochostinko days.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Miles Austin is not going anywhere.
Vincent Jackson will want to be paid as a #1 WR because that's what he is.
Steve Breaston shows flashes of goodness in between knee injuries and hobbles.

I'd rather have Walter than any of them.
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JJ needs to step up and take the #2 IMO, he is a playmaker plain and simple. Good things happen when he gets the ball, unfortunately, so do bad things. JJ should spend his entire offseason hanging with AJ and picking his brain and working out with him.
 
I would rather keep Walter over Daniels. Considering OD is coming off a major injury with no certainty that he will return to pre-injury play I wouldn't let Walter go so easily. OD is a good player, but Dreseen has shown to be reliable as well. Walter wasn't targeted as often this season however the yr. before he stepped up with almost 900 yds. and 8 TD's. He's a great blocker and hard worker. JJ hasn't shown to be too reliable yet. He's had discipline problems.

The thing with OD is he was offered a long-term deal last off-season and turned it down. However even he would admit that he needs to work on his blocking. He was on the way there, but was derailed by the injury. While we may all hope he comes back in top shape, keep in mind this is his second blown ACL. With that in mind, KW is not going to break the bank, to just let him walk would be foolish. If he left in pursuit of more money that's one thing, but if we just let him walk that would really irritate me.
 
jaayteetx said:
JJ needs to step up and take the #2 IMO, he is a playmaker plain and simple. Good things happen when he gets the ball, unfortunately, so do bad things. JJ should spend his entire offseason hanging with AJ and picking his brain and working out with him.
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See, this is a tag that doesn't apply to JJ. At least not last season.

He had the bobbled fair catch in game 2 vs. the Titans.

He had the bobbled pass reception in game 16 that became an interception and a return for a TD by the Patriots.

Other than those two bobbles, he came down with the catch on passes that had a reasonable chance to be caught. He even caught some that others would not have been able to get to, IMO.

You guys need to stop repeating the same mantra about JJ--The tag that he's an accident waiting to happen. His production this past season, versus the previous seasons, is like night and day. It's THAT contrasting.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Miles Austin is not going anywhere.
Vincent Jackson will want to be paid as a #1 WR because that's what he is.
Steve Breaston shows flashes of goodness in between knee injuries and hobbles.

I'd rather have Walter than any of them.
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That is just silly talk. 2 of those guys are game breakers( a third could be but he has been a #3) and would open it up for AJ even more. Walters is a complimentary guy who works the field well. There is no way the Texans get them or go after them but to stay you'd rather have Walters seems silly to me. In my book there are other Kevin Walter types who can be your #2 and even some that are more athletic and could do more.
 
2009 Stats for Jacoby Jones:
Games played: 14
Receptions: 27
Yards: 437
Avg: 16 yards-per-catch
Longest reception/YAC: 45 yards
TOUCHDOWNS: 6
Receptions over 20 yards: 7
Receptions of 40 yards: 3
1st downs: 19
FUMBLES: 0

2009 Stats for David Anderson:
Games played: 16
Receptions: 38
Yards: 370
Avg: 9.7 yards-per-catch
Longest reception/YAC: 27 yards
TOUCHDOWNS: 0
Receptions over 20 yards: 2
Receptions of 40 yards: 0
1st downs: 22
FUMBLES: 0

2009 Stats for Kevin Walter:
Games played: 14
Receptions: 53
Yards: 611
Avg: 11.5 yards-per-catch
Longest reception/YAC: 41 yards
TOUCHDOWNS: 2
Receptions over 20 yards: 7
Receptions of 40 yards: 1
1st downs: 33
FUMBLES: 0
 
Here's the logistics, IMO:

SCORING THREAT AND REAL ESTATE EATER:
Jacoby Jones is chomping up the field in bigger chunks when he's out there, as compared to David Anderson who is bottom man on the totem pole when it comes to practically every statistical category. His 6 TDs is four more than Walter and 6 more than Anderson. He's the guy who can score if he gets the ball in the right spot at the right time.

THE SAFETY VALVE WHEN SCHAUB IS UNDER PRESSURE:
David Anderson makes those little short, choppy receptions where other guys are covered and Schaub needs to get rid of the ball quickly. He runs the quick-outs, the little slants, etc. It's his role. But he gets hunted down once he makes the catch, and he's no real threat to a defense on a down-by-down basis. His role is to catch that ball and make something out of nothing.

THE "GO TO" GUY WHEN YOU NEED A 1st DOWN:
Kevin Walter is the guy who has the most 1st downs (33 compared to JJ's 19 and DA's 22). He has the most comparable stats to JJ, but yet he's not getting into the end zone that much. He's the guy, on 3rd and 6, who runs a curl route and ends up getting 6.5 yards and the first down for you. And, he's the guy who is out there finding the empty areas of the field that are cleared out by AJ and OD. He has the heighth and the arm length to grab those lofted "touch" passes that slip over the heads of the defenders who lost track of him.

Theoritically, all three guys are doing things that are unique and provide the offense with aspects that enable the offense to be potent with Andre Johnson out there. With a good, calm QB who stands in there and throws the ball (Schaub) it's why this offense is doing so well. And this is not even considering what Owen Daniels brings to the mix. He has traits of all those three guys, maybe even approaching the level of dynamic skill set that AJ has.

Keeping all these guys together, IMO, is a smart thing. If it can't happen, I think Martinez can fit either Anderson's spot or Walter's spot if we lost either Anderson or Walter.

But if I had to choose to vote one of those guys out of the Texans tribe, I have to reluctantly write down David Anderson's name on the slip of paper. Nothing personal. But I'd like to retain Walter's skill set when compared to David Anderson's. While DA's role is important, I think it's the one Wr role that can be filled most easily.

That's my whole opinion on the issue of our WR crew. I think it's smart to keep these guys together. They have a good thing going on--they are in rhythm with one another and know what to do at all times--so I hope we keep those pieces in place.
 
HoustonFrog said:
That is just silly talk. 2 of those guys are game breakers( a third could be but he has been a #3) and would open it up for AJ even more. Walters is a complimentary guy who works the field well. There is no way the Texans get them or go after them but to stay you'd rather have Walters seems silly to me. In my book there are other Kevin Walter types who can be your #2 and even some that are more athletic and could do more.
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Two of those guys are going to command #1 money. One of them is snakebit and will probably want to be paid on potential rather than production. Kevin Walter, for the price and based on past performance, is a better option in my opinion than any of them would be. He's familiar with the system. He does everything his coaching staff asks and needs from him. He doesn't whine or complain or piss or moan.
 
GP said:
Here's the logistics, IMO:

SCORING THREAT AND REAL ESTATE EATER:
Jacoby Jones is chomping up the field in bigger chunks when he's out there, as compared to David Anderson who is bottom man on the totem pole when it comes to practically every statistical category. His 6 TDs is four more than Walter and 6 more than Anderson. He's the guy who can score if he gets the ball in the right spot at the right time.

THE SAFETY VALVE WHEN SCHAUB IS UNDER PRESSURE:
David Anderson makes those little short, choppy receptions where other guys are covered and Schaub needs to get rid of the ball quickly. He runs the quick-outs, the little slants, etc. It's his role. But he gets hunted down once he makes the catch, and he's no real threat to a defense on a down-by-down basis. His role is to catch that ball and make something out of nothing.

THE "GO TO" GUY WHEN YOU NEED A 1st DOWN:
Kevin Walter is the guy who has the most 1st downs (33 compared to JJ's 19 and DA's 22). He has the most comparable stats to JJ, but yet he's not getting into the end zone that much. He's the guy, on 3rd and 6, who runs a curl route and ends up getting 6.5 yards and the first down for you. And, he's the guy who is out there finding the empty areas of the field that are cleared out by AJ and OD. He has the heighth and the arm length to grab those lofted "touch" passes that slip over the heads of the defenders who lost track of him.

Theoritically, all three guys are doing things that are unique and provide the offense with aspects that enable the offense to be potent with Andre Johnson out there. With a good, calm QB who stands in there and throws the ball (Schaub) it's why this offense is doing so well. And this is not even considering what Owen Daniels brings to the mix. He has traits of all those three guys, maybe even approaching the level of dynamic skill set that AJ has.

Keeping all these guys together, IMO, is a smart thing. If it can't happen, I think Martinez can fit either Anderson's spot or Walter's spot if we lost either Anderson or Walter.

But if I had to choose to vote one of those guys out of the Texans tribe, I have to reluctantly write down David Anderson's name on the slip of paper. Nothing personal. But I'd like to retain Walter's skill set when compared to David Anderson's. While DA's role is important, I think it's the one Wr role that can be filled most easily.

That's my whole opinion on the issue of our WR crew. I think it's smart to keep these guys together. They have a good thing going on--they are in rhythm with one another and know what to do at all times--so I hope we keep those pieces in place.
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I agree with all this. JJ needs to see the field a little more, IMO. Also agree the only one who could really be upgraded is DA. Not saying we need to, but he could be.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Two of those guys are going to command #1 money. One of them is snakebit and will probably want to be paid on potential rather than production. Kevin Walter, for the price and based on past performance, is a better option in my opinion than any of them would be. He's familiar with the system. He does everything his coaching staff asks and needs from him. He doesn't whine or complain or piss or moan.
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I was just saying it purely on talent. For the money, etc, of course you don't need to get a #1 guy to go with AJ. But to say you'd rather have him just on their ability, I'll take some of the others. Austin, for example , is a playmaker and a great team guy.
 
GP said:
See, this is a tag that doesn't apply to JJ. At least not last season.

He had the bobbled fair catch in game 2 vs. the Titans.

He had the bobbled pass reception in game 16 that became an interception and a return for a TD by the Patriots.

Other than those two bobbles, he came down with the catch on passes that had a reasonable chance to be caught. He even caught some that others would not have been able to get to, IMO.
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He didn't fumble but he did have 5 drops on 35 targets. Needs to be working with the Jugs machine.
 
What happens when Jacoby Jones feels like sleeping in and missing a game over it?

Yeah. Thats who i want as a make or break player.

Screw KW.

:sarcasm:

I love JJ. I love KW. I want to keep them both. JJ provides something when he feels like not being a knucklehead.
 
No kidding...why not try to keep a successful WR core together? AJ, KW, and JJ along with whatever retread/draft pick we can use to round it out?

We're so used to a dearth of talent on the team that we seem to want to allow players who are actually good to walk. Depth of talent is a good thing.
 
If we lost Walter but kept all the rest of our recievers we would be in good shape. You can always draft a another WR in the late rounds.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I was just saying it purely on talent. For the money, etc, of course you don't need to get a #1 guy to go with AJ. But to say you'd rather have him just on their ability, I'll take some of the others. Austin, for example , is a playmaker and a great team guy.
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If you're talking talent, I'd rather have Fitzgerald and Lee Evans, but in the NFL you have to evaluate on both talent and money.
 
HuttoKarl said:
Miles Austin is not going anywhere.
Vincent Jackson will want to be paid as a #1 WR because that's what he is.
Steve Breaston shows flashes of goodness in between knee injuries and hobbles.

I'd rather have Walter than any of them.
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I agree but wouldn't any one of those players be more than sufficient as a #2 if Walter leaves? I mean he is Kevin Walter, the same guy who couldn't get a starting gig in Cinncy behind Ochocinco, Who'sUrMama and Chris Henry (RIP). I just think that if he goes, so be it. It will not devastate the offense as much as loosing OD for example. We all saw what happened when he went down, right?
 
HoustonFrog said:
That is just silly talk. 2 of those guys are game breakers( a third could be but he has been a #3) and would open it up for AJ even more. Walters is a complimentary guy who works the field well. There is no way the Texans get them or go after them but to stay you'd rather have Walters seems silly to me. In my book there are other Kevin Walter types who can be your #2 and even some that are more athletic and could do more.
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:bravo: This is all I was saying...
 
infantrycak said:
He didn't fumble but he did have 5 drops on 35 targets. Needs to be working with the Jugs machine.
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Meh. 5 drops. I am willing to place a bet that DA or KW had at least 2 or 3 drops (each) over the course of the season. The two that could have hurt us badly were the two I mentioned.

One thing I think I have noticed about Jacoby is that he catches punts and passes more easily when his feet are moving quickly. If you get him standing still, or slowing down, his brain short-circuits. If he never keeps his stride, he's lethal.

He would make an AWFUL outfielder in baseball. Those high, soft pop-flies would kill him.
 
GP said:
Meh. 5 drops. I am willing to place a bet that DA or KW had at least 2 or 3 drops (each) over the course of the season. The two that could have hurt us badly were the two I mentioned.
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Walter had 1 and Anderson is down for 0. 5 drops out of 35 targets is high.
 
Interesting tidbit about K-dub. IMO, the Texans need to get busy with their FA's and RFA tenders/negotiating.

A league source tells beat writer Jamison Hensley that the Ravens have been watching a lot of film on unrestricted free agent Kevin Walter.

Walter would be a nice addition for the Ravens if they can't land Anquan Boldin or Brandon Marshall in a trade. Walter is a plus blocker and could complement Derrick Mason with his willingness to go over the middle.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx
 
HOU-TEX said:
True, plus Shanny Jr being there too
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Hell if you think about it, if Walter were to land there, they would have a nice little WR core there in DC. Moss, Randel El and Walter. They just need someone to throw the ball. Bradford or a McCoy maybe?

Then Walter could exact is revenge this upcoming season when the Texans play the Redskins...
 
BullNation4Life said:
Hell if you think about it, if Walter were to land there, they would have a nice little WR core there in DC. Moss, Randel El and Walter. They just need someone to throw the ball. Bradford or a McCoy maybe?

Then Walter could exact is revenge this upcoming season when the Texans play the Redskins...
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Walter would look like a giant (no pun intended) if he was on that receiving corp.
 
If the Texans can get something for him I would be ok with the trade. There is a ton of talent this year and they could go after Williams from Tulane, Eric Decker from the Sota or Andre Roberts from Citadel.
 
LonerATO said:
If the Texans can get something for him I would be ok with the trade. There is a ton of talent this year and they could go after Williams from Tulane, Eric Decker from the Sota or Andre Roberts from Citadel.
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He's a unrestricted FA. There'd be no trade and the only thing we might get for him is a late round compensatory draft pick for next year.
 
One thing to note on this situation is that remember Kevin Walter is facing the one time in his career where he can potentially cash in for that one huge payday. He was a low round draft pick, and did not get silly money from the Texans when he signed here. Even if the Texans have offer a good contract, my guess is that Walter feels (I don't know him obviously) that he owes it to himself and his family to see what is out there especially in a thin FA WR market.
 
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/03/03/texans-acknowledge-re-signing-walter-will-be-chall

Speaking at the NFL Scouting Combine, Texans general manager Rick Smith indicated that re-signing UFA WR Kevin Walter would be challenging. "We would like to have Kevin back," Smith said, noting he had talked to Walter's agent. "… He is an important part of our football team and we would like to (keep him.) Unfortunately the thing about free agency now is, you can't keep everybody. When you talk about putting a football team together and structuring your team and trying to improve and get better, you've got to make some tough decisions. And sometimes, you've got to let players go that you otherwise wouldn't want to. That's just a part of it." Walter, who turns 29 in August, caught 53 passes for 611 yards and two TDs in 14 starts for Houston last season. He missed a pair of games with a hamstring injury. One factor that would reduce the sting if Walter departed: the Texans have good WR depth. Jacoby Jones, talented but still developing, would step in for Walter, and reserves André Davis and David Anderson are also capable pass catchers. Other UFA wide receivers include the Derrick Mason, Antonio Bryant, Chris Chambers, Terrell Owens and Nate Burleson.
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