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Kevin Walter??

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Soo, I guess we're going to let him test the FA waters? With all the rumblings on Dunta, I haven't heard anything about K-dub. I like him and hopefully he'll allow us to match whatever he's offered.

Are we satisfied with JJ's progress enough to let him walk? Will we grab a Shipley type WR mid to late rounds of the draft?

Thoughts?
 
Wouldn't at all be surprised to have an announcement come out before March 5th. But for reference here is the WR FA market:

Terrell Owens 36
Antonio Bryant 29
Derrick Mason 36
Kevin Walter 29

According to Football's Future.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Soo, I guess we're going to let him test the FA waters? With all the rumblings on Dunta, I haven't heard anything about K-dub. I like him and hopefully he'll allow us to match whatever he's offered.

Are we satisfied with JJ's progress enough to let him walk? Will we grab a Shipley type WR mid to late rounds of the draft?

Thoughts?
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I thougt it was Kevin Walters?

:jk:
 
infantrycak said:
Wouldn't at all be surprised to have an announcement come out before March 5th. But for reference here is the WR FA market:

Terrell Owens 36
Antonio Bryant 29
Derrick Mason 36
Kevin Walter 29

According to Football's Future.
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Isn't tomorrow the last day to tag a player? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't tag him, it's just my thinking that if he isn't tagged or given a new deal he's destined for FA. I suppose there's a chance we could re-sign him in a weeks time, but I would assuume a deal would've been done by now if that was the direction we wanted to go?
 
infantrycak said:
Wouldn't at all be surprised to have an announcement come out before March 5th. But for reference here is the WR FA market:

Terrell Owens 36
Antonio Bryant 29
Derrick Mason 36
Kevin Walter 29

According to Football's Future.
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Antonio Bryant would be scary on this team, but he's too me-first to play second fiddle. Walter is still the best fit and best value for us at that position, so we'll probably lock him up.
 
I'm certain that money will be used to resign players but I don't expect anything like that this year. McNair is a pretty savvy businessman and I think there are many teams sitting this one out until they know what's going to happen in 2011. Normally you would be hearing about all the new deals players are getting at this time of year but if you've noticed, it's not happening this year.

I think everyone is on board with them resigning all these guys but I expect everything to just sit until the CBA is worked out.
 
barrett said:
I'm certain that money will be used to resign players but I don't expect anything like that this year. McNair is a pretty savvy businessman and I think there are many teams sitting this one out until they know what's going to happen in 2011. Normally you would be hearing about all the new deals players are getting at this time of year but if you've noticed, it's not happening this year.

I think everyone is on board with them resigning all these guys but I expect everything to just sit until the CBA is worked out.
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That's not really what I've heard. I might be wrong, but it's my understanding that players that have, or will, sign new deals that go through 2011 will just have it temporarily suspended. In other words, if no deal has been made by the end of the 2010 NFL season (early March?), then players who are under contract will have their contracts put on hold until the new deal is struck. They would resume as if nothing happened once a new CBA is in place

I'll try to find a link, but I've yet to remember where I'd heard/read it from.
 
Brisco_County said:
Antonio Bryant would be scary on this team, but he's too me-first to play second fiddle. Walter is still the best fit and best value for us at that position, so we'll probably lock him up.
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Never really thought about that. Man, Bryant and Dre on the outside... That would be killer.
 
HOU-TEX said:
That's not really what I've heard. I might be wrong, but it's my understanding that players that have, or will, sign new deals that go through 2011 will just have it temporarily suspended. In other words, if no deal has been made by the end of the 2010 NFL season (early March?), then players who are under contract will have their contracts put on hold until the new deal is struck. They would resume as if nothing happened once a new CBA is in place

I'll try to find a link, but I've yet to remember where I'd heard/read it from.
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That's correct from what I have seen. No 2011 season then it doesn't count against the contract term. Now of course the player gets older and may not have the same dedication but a 5 year deal is supposed to be a 5 years playing deal.
 
barrett said:
Anybody got a link? I'm surprised that I haven't heard anything like that.
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I tried to find a link for a few minutes. I'll see if I can find one some time throughout the day. At least I'm educating myself on the CBA (or lack thereof) by having to read through all the articles. :)
 
Rick Smith is too busy looking for a 3rd string QB to throw $10 million bucks at to worry about resigning our own players.
 
I actually wrote a paper on the CBA last semester..Was good stuff.

I'm more worried as to what the year off would do to some of our more..ah..not motivated players
 
Goatcheese said:
Rick Smith is too busy looking for a 3rd string QB to throw $10 million bucks at to worry about resigning our own players.
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Lol QFT!

Seriously resign the man. He is a solid WR and can fill the #2 while Jones keeps the competition up.
 
infantrycak said:
Wouldn't at all be surprised to have an announcement come out before March 5th. But for reference here is the WR FA market:

Terrell Owens 36
Antonio Bryant 29
Derrick Mason 36
Kevin Walter 29

According to Football's Future.
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Yep I've got myself braced for this. Walter is a front line , clutch receiving, good blocking, great hands #2 wide receiver. Maybe one of the best in the league. I was really surprised the Giants didn't trade for him last year before the draft. I thought after the ricochet off the hands interception last year...(Miami game?) that Gary Kubiak threw Jacoby Jones in to the middle of the pound and said to him OK J.J. swim or drown. His targets went way up. Every time he screwed up they kept going back to Jacoby. What I read was at that moment in time, either Jacoby was going to make it or he was going to be gone. So if J.J. is not exposed now....somebody has gotta go.

What I'm hoping is that the loss of Daunta will free up enough money to make several of the other players happy with a due bump up.
 
Texans don't sound optimistic about retaining Walter

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 26, 2010 1:47 PM ET
Texans G.M. Rick Smith said he spoke with wide receiver Kevin Walter's agent Thursday night, but he didn't sound overly optimistic about retaining him.

"Kevin is a big part of our team. We would like to have Kevin back. We have articulated that to him as recently as last night," Smith said.

We asked about Walter because he's one of the better young (29) starters about to hit free agency. He provides an alternative to teams that don't want Terrell Owens or Antonio Bryant.

"We're trying to see if we can retain him, but the unfortunate part of free agency is you can't keep everybody," Smith said. "When you talk about putting your team together, you have to make tough decisions, and sometimes you have to let players go you otherwise wouldn't want to."

Our G.M. Translator says: "The guy is a week away from free agency. We like him, but not enough. It's going to be almost impossible to keep him at a reasonable price and we have Jacoby Jones behind him ready to become a starter."
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...d-optimistic-about-retaining-walter/#comments

Time to get consistent Jacoby.
 
I like walters alot and he's a good redzone threat, but jones has explosion. Jones has they type of explosion to take the top off the defense and give dre more room. He does need refinement, but getting a guy like Parrish to handle special teams stuff and allowing jones to just focus on wr would benefit the team more. Anderson is the slot guy and with daniels coming back, the middle of the field stuff should be ok. If they don't feel jones is ready, they should get a guy like bryant opposite of dre.
 
I hate to lose KW, but he was under-utilized last year. He saw little action until OD went down. Only one ball for so many receivers.

I'm not sold on JJ...think he's got big play potential, but he's too loose with the ball and seems to be running before he secures the catch...but at least we've got him if KW ends up on another team.
 
I personally think we should lose David Anderson before losing Walter.

I like Walter's frame and length when compared to Anderson. I like his ability to know where the marker is at and where he's got to be to get the first down. I think his hands are better. Not by much, but still better.

I would love to see AJ, JJ, Walter, and then maybe Martinez in Anderson's spot. I like what we have at WR, with obviously (as you all know very well) the idea that J be made the second guy at WR. Consistently.

I think we could go the whole draft with not even drafting a WR, and be OK, unless there was just a guy sitting there at some unforeseen spot that we thought we wouldn't still be available for us.

Nobody needs to get anxious about Dez Bryant. I predict he will be a Top 15 pick, if not a Top 10 pick. He has skills. All he cares about is playing football, not being a doctor in Nigeria some day. I'm not sayin'....I'm just sayin'....
 
I would love to see AJ, JJ, Walter, and then maybe Martinez in Anderson's spot. I like what we have at WR, with obviously (as you all know very well) the idea that J be made the second guy at WR. Consistently.
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Why would you want to fill David Andersen's spot with Martinez?
 
Chance_C said:
Why would you want to fill David Andersen's spot with Martinez?
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Because the grass is always greener than the 83% reception rate on third down. They've been trying to run off Dav Anderson for three years. Until they draft a similar guy, you gotta figure his spot is safe. He77 they won't even move Myers out for a game. Anderson fills his roll. His salary is cheap. And he produces when his number is called. He's not going anywhere.
 
Chance_C said:
Why would you want to fill David Andersen's spot with Martinez?
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Because if I had to choose between two receivers to retain, I would make the commitment to Walter.

I feel Walter and Anderson are essentially the same thing. It's redundant. And then we have Martinez, which I feel can be a mix of Anderson's agility and Walter's hands.

I don't hate David Anderson. I just think Walter is the more valuable of the two, and I'd hope we would keep him. It might not come down to having to choose between the two. Was just saying where I stack up the receivers on our team.
 
GP said:
Because if I had to choose between two receivers to retain, I would make the commitment to Walter.

I feel Walter and Anderson are essentially the same thing. It's redundant. And then we have Martinez, which I feel can be a mix of Anderson's agility and Walter's hands.

I don't hate David Anderson. I just think Walter is the more valuable of the two, and I'd hope we would keep him. It might not come down to having to choose between the two. Was just saying where I stack up the receivers on our team.
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KW being the # 2 and DA being the slot guy makes KW more valuable...

However, given the # 2 WR salary and the fact we have JJ progressing well and in position to fill that role, DA is the better value.
 
TheRealJoker said:
KW being the # 2 and DA being the slot guy makes KW more valuable...

However, given the # 2 WR salary and the fact we have JJ progressing well and in position to fill that role, DA is the better value.
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Yeah, I'm thinking of depth. I like what we have, and I think losing KW would hurt if something happened to JJ and he missed playing time.

After all, JJ could be late to a meeting again.
 
beerlover said:
what do you think the market will bear should he not be tendered?
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Walter's not eligible for receiving a restricted free agent tender as he has 6+ accrued seasons (actually 7).

I think Walter will draw some interest from any WCO team with a need as he fits that mold. Plus, he's a very valuable special teamer. I hope he's re-signed by the Texans. I just want Jacoby Jones more involved in the offense. I think the 3 WR sets should consist of AJ-Jones-Walter, not AJ-Walter-Anderson.
 
Lucky said:
Walter's not eligible for receiving a restricted free agent tender as he has 6+ accrued seasons (actually 7).

I think Walter will draw some interest from any WCO team with a need as he fits that mold. Plus, he's a very valuable special teamer. I hope he's re-signed by the Texans. I just want Jacoby Jones more involved in the offense. I think the 3 WR sets should consist of AJ-Jones-Walter, not AJ-Walter-Anderson.
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Here's a man who understands.

:clap:
 
I love walter as well but you can only tie up so much money into your receiving core. If letting walter go means keeping OD then it's cool. I hope he stays but he might get an offer he can't refuse.
 
GP said:
Here's a man who understands.

:clap:
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You're just now coming around to that? :)

Let's take a quick look at last season's WR corps:

AJ - Pro Bowl, All-Pro, All World WR
Jones - Occasionally spectacular, good special teamer
Walter - Injured, but generally solid WR, good special teamer
Davis - OK WR, good special teamer
Anderson - OK WR, doesn't give you much on special teams

Take out your superstar, and what's the difference in these players? One doesn't make an impact on special teams. Anderson was a favorite of Baby Shanny, so I would offer him to the Skins for a late rounder and pickup a young WR on the 3rd day who can help on special teams. And re-sign Walter (it's an uncapped year people). Give our WR coach a chance to develop a Miles Austin or Pierre Garcon type. I'm not crazy about the WR class at the top of this draft. But, it seems very deep in Day 3 prospects.
 
The is no way we will lose KW kubes likes him and he is a hard
worker. With that said u can't deny JJ rise and we can't pay both

it's strictly biz Nass
 
Draft Jordan Shipley if he's there in the 3rd or 4th round and then problem solved. I would love to see Shipley on this team and no..it's not because he's a Longhorn, it's because he's a very good football player and would fit perfectly in this offense.
 
I hopes we keep Walters and Owens.

I don't think it will kill us if we lose Kevin. I've said it before, I was not a Jacoby fan in past seasons but the dude flat out impressed me last year. We need to get him the ball more. DA is cheap and serviceable, he's a lock to stay. I wish Walter all the best, and I hate to see him go, but I think that's the path we're staring down.
 
If Kevins Walter :) hits free agency, I bet you the Redskins will go after him. They need WRs very badly, and KW would help them out a lot. I hope he stays with the Texans, but they better get him a deal before Friday if they want to keep him.
 
I hope they work something out. And no, you cannot replace 6'3" 218 lbs 7 year vet KW with 5'11" 193 lbs rookie Jordan Shipley.

Dont let another valuable vet walk. If you like him so much, sign him to your team!
 
WR is a luxury position for us right now. We could afford to lose any two who aren't named Andre Johnson.
 
Luxury? Losing two won't hurt us? How?

We don't know the status on OD. We don't know how our run games going to look. We don't know if JJ is going to come back big, or fade away. We don't know a lot.

Throwing all these known quantities out of the way for what *might* be upgrades is dumb, especially in this uncapped year.
 
WR like Kevin Walter are a dime a dozen. Though he would be missed, it would only be for the short time his replacement takes his locker.

Move on down the road Kevin, we hardly knew ya...:jogger:
 
BullNation4Life said:
WR like Kevin Walter are a dime a dozen. Though he would be missed, it would only be for the short time his replacement takes his locker.

Move on down the road Kevin, we hardly knew ya...:jogger:
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Which is why before Kevin Walter we've had so many awesome #2 WR's.

3rd all time receptions for Houston. 3rd all time yards for Houston. 4th all time Receiving TD's.

Dime a dozen.
 
Texan_Bill said:
You weren't a Jabar Gaffney fan?? :whip:
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Hey...he was AWESOME!!!

24 fewer receptions and half the TD's of Walter in two more games with Houston.

Bradford had 65 fewer receptions in one more game than Walter, but did have 4 more TD's.

The rest of our top ten "receivers" are AJ at #1, a smattering of RB's and TE's (OD at #2) and David Anderson at 10.

I do blame some of the poor WR production on HWSNBN, but if a #2 WR is a dime a dozen, why haven't we had more than one?
 
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