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Horrible news for the Jets game!!

dalemurphy said:
Exactly, can we please have a good player starting on the interior DLine? I actually like Cody as a guy in rotation but he clearly isn't the NT that Robinson is.
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http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.asp

DelJuan is not even listed as a NT currently. Seems like I saw a quote from Kubes somewhere that DelJuan plays the three better than NT. Probably should keep an eye for him to replace Okoye not Cody. All four (maybe even 5 with the old man) will probably play in some rotation and around the same number of snaps no matter who is the "starter"
 
Lord Almighty . . . the season hasn't even started yet, and some of you are already just downright miserable.

The thread title made me think someone like Mario or Demeco blew out their knees on the practice field and were out for the season.

C'mon man!
 
dalemurphy said:
"you're nuts" is an expression in an attempt to communicate how strongly I disagree with the guy. I understand that he knows football. I discourse on the boards with him and read his posts. However, if he doesn't see a significant difference in the play of Robinson and the rest of the DTs in the run game, he is very wrong!
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Your point is taken but if it was me I'd use a different line but that's just me. No big deal I'm moving on.
 
dalemurphy said:
I'm a long ways from wanting Okam in the game during a big moment... it is actually a terrifying thought. That being said, if he continues to flash and is able to contribute in a rotation without disappearing on some plays, then I would become encouraged.
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Certainly he has a long way to go. But he is the ideal body you want to basically bash the interior of the line on goal line situations. It would be the simplest situation for him and one where he could be the most effective imo. Limiting the risk of him "disappearing." It may be too soon, but guess we are gonna find out.
 
mexican_texan said:
Cody is no scrub. You'll see plenty of DelJuan.
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I like Cody also and I hope you're right about Deljuan. Moreso, I hope it doesn't happen after a long TD run. That's the nightmare scenario. Okoye starts because he's the golden child and we get lit up on the series because of it.

Don't any of you guys have the preseason games on DVR. I dare you to watch them focusing on Robinson and Okoye. It's remarkable the difference between the two in the run game!
 
Hervoyel said:
Your draft slot and your paycheck (earned or not) have always determined who was a starter here.
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I think that notion was pretty roundly rejected in the backup QB battle.

As for the starting DT's, I don't care who starts that much. Okam was excellent in both road games, and sucked in both home games. So, not sure which Okam we'll get. Robinson is good agianst the run, but it's not like he can play 60 snaps a game right? Do anyone really think that?

So, if Deljuan starts and plays 30 snaps, or he comes off the bench and plays 30 snaps, what the hell difference does it make? Cody, Robinson, Okoye and Okam are all going to play and rotate. Who cares whose name is on the program as the starter.
 
Porky said:
I think that notion was pretty roundly rejected in the backup QB battle.

As for the starting DT's, I don't care who starts that much. Okam was excellent in both road games, and sucked in both home games. So, not sure which Okam we'll get. Robinson is good agianst the run, but it's not like he can play 60 snaps a game right? Do anyone really think that?

So, if Deljuan starts and plays 30 snaps, or he comes off the bench and plays 30 snaps, what the hell difference does it make? Cody, Robinson, Okoye and Okam are all going to play and rotate. Who cares whose name is on the program as the starter.
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:perfect10:
 
Marcus said:
Lord Almighty . . . the season hasn't even started yet, and some of you are already just downright miserable.

The thread title made me think someone like Mario or Demeco blew out their knees on the practice field and were out for the season.

C'mon man!
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Isn't that the sign of a good headline. You know, catch the readers attention and get them to read the article. I actually do think it's horrible news and have been dreading its coming for a few days now. But, I also realized many of you wouldn't care. I'm not sure why. You should care. This is not the kind of decision-making that great teams are built out of.
 
Porky said:
I think that notion was pretty roundly rejected in the backup QB battle.

As for the starting DT's, I don't care who starts that much. Okam was excellent in both road games, and sucked in both home games. So, not sure which Okam we'll get. Robinson is good agianst the run, but it's not like he can play 60 snaps a game right? Do anyone really think that?

So, if Deljuan starts and plays 30 snaps, or he comes off the bench and plays 30 snaps, what the hell difference does it make? Cody, Robinson, Okoye and Okam are all going to play and rotate. Who cares whose name is on the program as the starter.
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Porky, I agree with you with a couple exceptions:

1. I don't think it sends a good message to the team to not start the best player at his position. He should be announced among the starters... He has earned that right.

2. My fear is that the active action of removing Deljuan from starting NT to backup DT on the depth chart is an indication that the coaching staff's opinion of him deteriorating or indication that he is less central to this week's gameplan.
 
dalemurphy said:
2. My fear is that the active action of removing Deljuan from starting NT to backup DT on the depth chart is an indication that the coaching staff's opinion of him deteriorating or indication that he is less central to this week's gameplan.
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Any possibility of him still being banged up a bit playing into the "unofficial" depth chart decisions to this point?
 
Tailgate said:
Any possibility of him still being banged up a bit playing into the "unofficial" depth chart decisions to this point?
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I don't think so because of how much playing time he got versus Tampa Bay. Normally, that is the game where players are protected from injuries. I would guess he played over 1/2 the snaps that game. No other starter played anywhere near as many snaps, including guys that really need to show something like Dominique Barber.
 
I think that it is ridiculous to suggest that any of us know better than the coaching staff who should be starting or at what position. There are a lot of very knowledgable fans posting here, but I don't think there are any that make their living as a pro coach. The coaches have to make the call and live with it. If they do a bad job, they will get fired.

I know it is fun to get all wrapped up in your fave players, but to suggest that you know better than Kollar and Bush and Kubiak is NUTS!
 
Porky said:
I think that notion was pretty roundly rejected in the backup QB battle.

As for the starting DT's, I don't care who starts that much. Okam was excellent in both road games, and sucked in both home games. So, not sure which Okam we'll get. Robinson is good agianst the run, but it's not like he can play 60 snaps a game right? Do anyone really think that?

So, if Deljuan starts and plays 30 snaps, or he comes off the bench and plays 30 snaps, what the hell difference does it make? Cody, Robinson, Okoye and Okam are all going to play and rotate. Who cares whose name is on the program as the starter.
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I don't think it was roundly rejected. I think it partially rejects the notion. It's possible either Dan or Rex can go back and forth as the season goes on. I just think the Tampa performance and with Dan's performance overall this preseason it was an easy decision.

Dan doesn't seem like the type to sit on it either though. In fact I think it might help him know where he stands and what he needs to do to climb the depth chart.

I still think Cak is right for the most part. I mean why else start Weaver, Greenwood, Johnson, and Okoye? Good news is 3 out of 4 is gone. If Okoye doesn't show up this year we need to seriously consider pulling the plug on the guy and trade him. Even if he does become a mini Warren Sapp he's unlikely to do so here at his current rate.

I really don't want us to go for a 1st round DT next year. Only 1st rounder whom I would select is Cody. I'd rather fix our secondary once and all,take the plunge and go safety.
 
JB said:
I think that it is ridiculous to suggest that any of us know better than the coaching staff who should be starting or at what position. There are a lot of very knowledgable fans posting here, but I don't think there are any that make their living as a pro coach. The coaches have to make the call and live with it. If they do a bad job, they will get fired.

I know it is fun to get all wrapped up in your fave players, but to suggest that you know better than Kollar and Bush and Kubiak is NUTS!
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Having more access, more knowledge, etc... doesn't equate to making a better decision. I've known a lot of very intelligent people who make really poor decisions.

By the way, I'm sure there are some pretty good football minds that would agree with my position regarding Deljuan. Besides, what are you doing on a football message board if you think it's wrong to question coaches?
 
JB said:
I think that it is ridiculous to suggest that any of us know better than the coaching staff who should be starting or at what position. There are a lot of very knowledgable fans posting here, but I don't think there are any that make their living as a pro coach. The coaches have to make the call and live with it. If they do a bad job, they will get fired.

I know it is fun to get all wrapped up in your fave players, but to suggest that you know better than Kollar and Bush and Kubiak is NUTS!
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Posters are not allowed to make sensible posts in hysterical threads. You receive 10 demerits for that post for making sense. Let's try and not repeat this again. :cow:
 
dalemurphy said:
Having more access, more knowledge, etc... doesn't equate to making a better decision. I've known a lot of very intelligent people who make really poor decisions.

By the way, I'm sure there are some pretty good football minds that would agree with my position regarding Deljuan. Besides, what are you doing on a football message board if you think it's wrong to question coaches?
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I don't think it is wrong to question coaches. I think it is wrong to post your opinions as fact and assert that any who don't agree are nuts.
 
JB said:
I don't think it is wrong to question coaches. I think it is wrong to post your opinions as fact and assert that any who don't agree are nuts.
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I think opinions can be recognized as such without me saying "this is my opinion... I could be wrong, etc..." The strength of my words aren't me disguising my opinion as fact, it is an illustration of how strongly I believe my opinion.
 
I don't see what the fuss is all about, Deljuan is in the rotation, I don't even think of us as having a true "NT" as much as a NT platoon between 3 guys... believe me Deljuan will get in games and because he's an effort motor guy he WILL show up on tape and will get the increased reps....

I think they could be limiting his snaps with the thinking that less is more... the snaps he will play on will get more out of him as opposed to starting him at NT and playing him 70% snaps of the game and he's dead tired in the 4th quarter.
 
dalemurphy said:
Having more access, more knowledge, etc... doesn't equate to making a better decision. I've known a lot of very intelligent people who make really poor decisions.
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Thanks Dale. I appreciate that.

I think it's a bit irrational to get upset over the HT.com unofficial depth chart.

I think it is very rational to be concerned with the way DelJuan has been used in the preseason. One major concern that I noticed is that although the coaches are rotating the DLinemen, they don't seem to be doing it logically. I don't see what's so bad about situational rotations. Why Okoye is in there on running downs against a 2 back TE set just doesn't add up to me. They switch out DB's based on how many WR's there are, but there seems to be no changes on the interior DLine. Or if therse is it's more generic. Like Okoye plays 3 series then takes a break etc...

In a run heavy formation having (ACCORDING TO THE PRESEASON GAMES I'VE REWATCHED MULTIPLE TIMES) the two best run stopping DT's in Robinson and Cody is the most logical. Hell, even Okam in FOR 1 PLAY AT A TIME makes more sense than Okoye. I'm fine with, even excited by having Okoye in on passing downs with Barwin and Smith.


Not seeing Robinson on the website means nothing to me. How many times do they announce somebody's name at the game and somebody else runs out for christ's sake.



See you at 5 or 5:30 Dale?
 
dalemurphy said:
The newly updated depth chart has Deljuan Robinson as the backup behind Okoye and has Cody starting at NT with Okam as his backup.

Against all reason and beyond comprehension, Deljuan Robinson has lost his battle to start at DT. Not only will our best run stuffing DT be watching Okoye and Cody from the bench against a run-dominate team, but I'm having a hard time resolving how this decision doesn't prove that our coaching staff doesn't know what it's looking at!

Kubiak clearly has no understanding of interior line play:
1. he thinks Casey Studdard should be starting
2. Deljuan sits on the bench in favor of guys like Okoye, Okam, Cody.

someone talk me off the cliff please!
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Robinson is hurt...calf strain......
 
m5kwatts said:
believe me Deljuan will get in games and because he's an effort motor guy he WILL show up on tape and will get the increased reps....
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That's exactly what the fuss is about. Some feel that he has already shown up on tape to be the best DT and he's not getting the starts or snaps that seem to benefit the team.

m5kwatts said:
I think they could be limiting his snaps with the thinking that less is more... the snaps he will play on will get more out of him as opposed to starting him at NT and playing him 70% snaps of the game and he's dead tired in the 4th quarter.
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You could be dead on with that line of thinking. Perhaps he's better coming in as a backup. Perhaps they have the tape to show that he plays better coming off the bench against worn in linemen.
 
dalemurphy said:
I like Cody also and I hope you're right about Deljuan. Moreso, I hope it doesn't happen after a long TD run. That's the nightmare scenario. Okoye starts because he's the golden child and we get lit up on the series because of it.

Don't any of you guys have the preseason games on DVR. I dare you to watch them focusing on Robinson and Okoye. It's remarkable the difference between the two in the run game!
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Yes, and I think Okoye was unremarkable against first teamers and Deljuan was unremarkable against non-first teamers!
 
m5kwatts said:
I don't see what the fuss is all about, Deljuan is in the rotation, I don't even think of us as having a true "NT" as much as a NT platoon between 3 guys... believe me Deljuan will get in games and because he's an effort motor guy he WILL show up on tape and will get the increased reps....

I think they could be limiting his snaps with the thinking that less is more... the snaps he will play on will get more out of him as opposed to starting him at NT and playing him 70% snaps of the game and he's dead tired in the 4th quarter.
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how about starting Chris Brown at RB. After all, he and Slaton will both play. SLaton can still get 3/4 of the carries. Why does it matter who the "starter" is? We want Slaton fresh for the 4th quarter...

Nope, that won't happen because Slaton has cache. But, Robinson is an undrafted FA, so the fact that he starts the game on the bench behind a guy that might get pancaked one on one by Casey Studdard (Okoye) is not a problem for you guys. He's the best DT on the team by a significant amount. He's proven it on the field. He should start. Pretty simple, I think.

If the Jets start the game with 3 Wrs and no FB then, by all means, sub in Okoye. However, if they go with a power I formation and a TE or two, you'd better have Robinson in the game. It's the equivalent to taking AJ out of the game on 3rd and 9.
 
according to HT.com Robinson participated fully in practice.

Kevin Walter WR Hamstring Did not participate at practice
Eugene Wilson S Knee Did not participate at practice
Jacques Reeves CB Fibula Full participation at practice
DelJuan Robinson DT Calf Full participation at practice
Matt Schaub QB Ankle Full participation at practice

http://www.houstontexans.com/gameday/InjuryReport.asp
 
76Texan said:
Yes, and I think Okoye was unremarkable against first teamers and Deljuan was unremarkable against non-first teamers!
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I don't know about that... Okoye was pretty remarkable against the Saints! It was one of the most astonishingly bad performances I've ever seen from a DT.

And, Robinson played very well all preseason. Unfortunately, he didn't play but a couple first team snaps after the KC game... which he played very well in!
 
dalemurphy said:
If the Jets start the game with 3 Wrs and no FB then, by all means, sub in Okoye. However, if they go with a power I formation and a TE or two, you'd better have Robinson in the game. It's the equivalent to taking AJ out of the game on 3rd and 9.
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Thats my biggest issue. I don't care who starts. DelJuan might but I certainly don't.
 
barrett said:
according to HT.com Robinson participated fully in practice.

Kevin Walter WR Hamstring Did not participate at practice
Eugene Wilson S Knee Did not participate at practice
Jacques Reeves CB Fibula Full participation at practice
DelJuan Robinson DT Calf Full participation at practice
Matt Schaub QB Ankle Full participation at practice

http://www.houstontexans.com/gameday/InjuryReport.asp
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That is great news! Let these guys heal up so they can be ready to play on Sunday!
 
dalemurphy said:
I don't know about that... Okoye was pretty remarkable against the Saints! It was one of the most astonishingly bad performances I've ever seen from a DT.

And, Robinson played very well all preseason. Unfortunately, he didn't play but a couple first team snaps after the KC game... which he played very well in!
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We are Doomed!

Doomed I tell you!!!!

Woe is me, suffering and failure is all the Texans can hope for. All is lost. There is no hope!

Despair! Fear! Panic and retreat!

What are we going to do???

Woe, woe, woe to me and everyone who calls themselves a Houston Texans fan.

WOE!!!

:sarcasm:
 
I think I'm going to sit back and let Kollar deal with Kubiak/Bush when it comes to the DL. The guy really seems to have the line under control. He was something else to watch during camp. I think he's got more say so as to who will be rotating/not rotating the most. Okoye may be penciled in as a starter but that doesn't mean he's going to be in there the whole game.
 
dalemurphy said:
how about starting Chris Brown at RB. After all, he and Slaton will both play. SLaton can still get 3/4 of the carries. Why does it matter who the "starter" is? We want Slaton fresh for the 4th quarter...

Nope, that won't happen because Slaton has cache. But, Robinson is an undrafted FA, so the fact that he starts the game on the bench behind a guy that might get pancaked one on one by Casey Studdard (Okoye) is not a problem for you guys. He's the best DT on the team by a significant amount. He's proven it on the field. He should start. Pretty simple, I think.

If the Jets start the game with 3 Wrs and no FB then, by all means, sub in Okoye. However, if they go with a power I formation and a TE or two, you'd better have Robinson in the game. It's the equivalent to taking AJ out of the game on 3rd and 9.
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Lets wait until we see the lineman rotation on Sunday before we huff and puff, if Deljuan plays a high number of snaps regardless of not starting then I don't see the big deal other than CBS doesn't show his face on the starters graphic at the beginning of the game
 
MojoMan said:
We are Doomed!

Doomed I tell you!!!!

Woe is me, suffering and failure is all the Texans can hope for. All is lost. There is no hope!

Despair! Fear! Panic and retreat!

What are we going to do???

Woe, woe, woe to me and everyone who calls themselves a Houston Texans fan.

WOE!!!
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Is this our new fight song? It's kind of catchy! :whistle:
 
Goldensilence said:
I really don't want us to go for a 1st round DT next year. Only 1st rounder whom I would select is Cody. I'd rather fix our secondary once and all,take the plunge and go safety.
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What position would you like in the first round next year? I think DT is a pretty large need. Safety is close though.

And Cody is one of the last DT's I want. Big fat guy, 2 down player. Good for stopping the run, but useless against the pass. Suh and Jones are first rounders that I would take.
 
m5kwatts said:
Lets wait until we see the lineman rotation on Sunday before we huff and puff, if Deljuan plays a high number of snaps regardless of not starting then I don't see the big deal other than CBS doesn't show his face on the starters graphic at the beginning of the game
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You mean we don't yell his name as he leaves the tunnel.
 
dalemurphy said:
The newly updated depth chart has Deljuan Robinson as the backup behind Okoye and has Cody starting at NT with Okam as his backup.

Against all reason and beyond comprehension, Deljuan Robinson has lost his battle to start at DT. Not only will our best run stuffing DT be watching Okoye and Cody from the bench against a run-dominate team, but I'm having a hard time resolving how this decision doesn't prove that our coaching staff doesn't know what it's looking at!

Kubiak clearly has no understanding of interior line play:
1. he thinks Casey Studdard should be starting
2. Deljuan sits on the bench in favor of guys like Okoye, Okam, Cody.

someone talk me off the cliff please!
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Go ahead and jump.
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Go ahead and jump.
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rmartin65 said:
What position would you like in the first round next year? I think DT is a pretty large need. Safety is close though.

And Cody is one of the last DT's I want. Big fat guy, 2 down player. Good for stopping the run, but useless against the pass. Suh and Jones are first rounders that I would take.
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Yeh I would hate to have a guy that sometimes needs some breaks during a game but can control the line of scrimmage, work down the line to make tackles in the run game, force double teams and set up linebackers and who draws double teams. While he does have deficiencies his strengths are exactly what this team needs. Stopping the run has been this teams achilles heel for too long.

Now Im not saying I wouldnt rather have Suh and Jones at this point. Just that beggars cant be choosers. Kinda like our S situation. Who cares who is better between Mays and Berry If we are lucky enough to get either one of them it will be an improvement over anyone we have ever had at the position.
 
dalemurphy said:
He's only my favorite because he is so clearly the best we have. I'm not pedaling him like some of you Longhorn fans who try and shove Okam in our face.
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Wait a minute. You are the same guy who so arrogantly jumped down my throat for not buying in to Okam just like two weeks ago in here because I wasn't excited about one pre season game of his. Now you're here to bash the guy after jumping down my throat for saying that I wasn't buying in?


Oh the irony. :brando:
 
dalemurphy said:
However, if they go with a power I formation and a TE or two, you'd better have Robinson in the game. It's the equivalent to taking AJ out of the game on 3rd and 9.
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No it isn't. The equivalent would be taking both DTs out and playing with 9.

Look, I want Robinson starting almost as much as you do but don't be silly. Robinson impact on this team/league is zero next to AJ.
 
You know, when you clicked in on the forum and the top thread is titled "Horrible news for the Jets game!!" you kinda assume its actually HORRIBLE news, like AJ busted with a train car full of Columbian pure.

One mediocre DT losing to a slightly more mediocre DT when they'll probably rotate anyway just doesnt quite meassure up in my things to panic about list.
 
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TheDrifter said:
You know, when you clicked in on the forum and the top thread is titled "Horrible news for the Jets game!!" you kinda assume its actually HORRIBLE news, like AJ busted with a train car full of Columbian pure.

One mediocre DT losing to a slightly more mediocre DT when they'll probably rotate anyway just doesnt quite meassure up in my things to panic about list.
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mussop said:
Yeh I would hate to have a guy that sometimes needs some breaks during a game but can control the line of scrimmage, work down the line to make tackles in the run game, force double teams and set up linebackers and who draws double teams. While he does have deficiencies his strengths are exactly what this team needs. Stopping the run has been this teams achilles heel for too long.

Now Im not saying I wouldnt rather have Suh and Jones at this point. Just that beggars cant be choosers. Kinda like our S situation. Who cares who is better between Mays and Berry If we are lucky enough to get either one of them it will be an improvement over anyone we have ever had at the position.
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The NFL is better. Stronger, faster, smarter (maybe not, VY is in it, but I digress), Cody's sheer bulk wont scare teams. Cody wins because he is massive, and can move ok for someone that large. However, players in the NFL will run him ragged, and after the 1st quarter he wont have any impact.
 
Maybe they know he plays better off the bench, I trust our coaches.

You can never assume you know what a coach is thinking. Alot of things can be indirect, but in this case I bet the other guys just worked harder or won the spot in practice.

Besides that all I can say is send your resume to Bob...
 
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