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F it, I'd take him back on a cheap deal if he wanted to come back. It may not be likely at all, but if he was willing to be a role player I think he could provide some value in s specified role.
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Disregard, lmao thought it said ArianNo. Mainly because you don't even know if you'll get at least 8 games out of him let alone the cap hit
If I thought OB could/would be creative with the role, hell yes. As it is, no.F it, I'd take him back on a cheap deal if he wanted to come back. It may not be likely at all, but if he was willing to be a role player I think he could provide some value in s specified role.
I'm not sure how much longer he'll be able to make a roster either. He won't help on special teams, he'll take a roster spot from a new wr or be the reason we don't acquire another wr. i wouldn't mind the contract as long as the base is low, friendly, and incentive laden.Of course, this is assuming that he can make the team, which I'm not so sure he can do anymore. And the fact that he doesn't play special teams is a huge strike against him, as well.
If Andre would be willing to take a huge pay cut (around vet minimum) and come in and compete for a 3rd or 4th WR job, sure. I'm hoping that we draft another good WR this year and that Strong also develops into a good WR giving us a very young and very talented WR corps. In that case, we could use a cagey vet like Andre as more of a coach than anything else. Of course, this is assuming that he can make the team, which I'm not so sure he can do anymore. And the fact that he doesn't play special teams is a huge strike against him, as well.
Yeah...I haven't studied Andre as a Colt, but just thinking logically id think he still had some game left, but would likely need to be used in a specialized/creative way.If I thought OB could/would be creative with the role, hell yes. As it is, no.
That's what I'd envision for him. Especially if we don't add a TE.AJ now could be Shannon Sharpe in his prime IF a coach would decide to do it.
Is aj still better then:AJ now could be Shannon Sharpe in his prime IF a coach would decide to do it.
LOL, keep on holding on to the past.AJ now could be Shannon Sharpe in his prime IF a coach would decide to do it.
Vet minimum, zero guaranteed, bring him in as a camp body and see if he can make the team, as long as he wouldn't be a locker room cancer.If Andre would be willing to take a huge pay cut (around vet minimum) and come in and compete for a 3rd or 4th WR job, sure. I'm hoping that we draft another good WR this year and that Strong also develops into a good WR giving us a very young and very talented WR corps. In that case, we could use a cagey vet like Andre as more of a coach than anything else. Of course, this is assuming that he can make the team, which I'm not so sure he can do anymore. And the fact that he doesn't play special teams is a huge strike against him, as well.
Really? Seriously?Vet minimum, zero guaranteed, bring him in as a camp body and see if he can make the team, as long as he wouldn't be a locker room cancer.
But enough already with this nonsense that because someone was a great player that they will make other players great or be a good coach. Bart Starr and Magic Johnson were among the worse coaches ever. If a great player successfully mentored his backups, then Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter, Rohan Davey, Brian Hoyer, and Ryan Mallett would have better careers than, say, Matt Schaub (pre Fat Albert).
I get Fred's generic complaint that folks want to assume a good player will be a good coach. But bad execution as you point out - we know AJ can mentor. I doubt he can coach but in the clubhouse mentor is different.Really? Seriously?
Who is it that Nuk credits with helping him out and showing him how to be a professional? I'll give you three guesses.
If Andre was a good mentor for Nuk, then maybe he'd be a good mentor for some other young WRs.
Really? Seriously? WTF is Nuk supposed to say? Most of the praise of Andre is all "he's a professional who leads by example". In other words he is not a leader. Every player in history who spent any time on a team with an all time great at his position has said the same thing about the great leadership whether true or not. But the greatest coaches of all time turn out to be non players or marginal players like Phil Jackson and Pat Riley.Really? Seriously?
Who is it that Nuk credits with helping him out and showing him how to be a professional? I'll give you three guesses.
If Andre was a good mentor for Nuk, then maybe he'd be a good mentor for some other young WRs.
I don't think he's talking about actually coaching, but rather sharing knowledge, leading by example.Really? Seriously? WTF is Nuk supposed to say? Most of the praise of Andre is all "he's a professional who leads by example". In other words he is not a leader. Every player in history who spent any time on a team with an all time great at his position has said the same thing about the great leadership whether true or not. But the greatest coaches of all time turn out to be non players or marginal players like Phil Jackson and Pat Riley.
Generally it comes too easy for the greats. The marginal players really had to learn the craft instead of just being able to do it naturally.I get Fred's generic complaint that folks want to assume a good player will be a good coach. But bad execution as you point out - we know AJ can mentor. I doubt he can coach but in the clubhouse mentor is different.
The one guy I watched on the sidelines and thought would make a coach was Aaron Glenn, and he is now doing it. He used to hold meetings on the sidelines, hands going like a fighter pilot, talking between every possession.
I think you may be leaning too far toward one end of the spectrum. Of course you have to be good all on your own, but having great players around to learn from certainly provides some amount of value.Generally it comes too easy for the greats. The marginal players really had to learn the craft instead of just being able to do it naturally.
How many receivers were on the Texans roster from 2003 - 2014? If AJ could have mentored them up, we wouldn't have needed to draft DeAndre. Why was DeAndre his only successful protege? Probably because he was the only one with the natural talent - thus he would have succeeded with or without a mentor.
Being a good mentor doesn't mean everyone turns into an all pro. Who knows if Walters would have been as good without AJ? It's about getting the best out.Generally it comes too easy for the greats. The marginal players really had to learn the craft instead of just being able to do it naturally.
How many receivers were on the Texans roster from 2003 - 2014? If AJ could have mentored them up, we wouldn't have needed to draft DeAndre. Why was DeAndre his only successful protege? Probably because he was the only one with the natural talent - thus he would have succeeded with or without a mentor.
That's just a dumb statement. Total non-sequitur. I could have the best coaching in the world - won't turn me into an NFL WR.If AJ could have mentored them up, we wouldn't have needed to draft DeAndre.
Me either. Although presumably the WRs on the Texans roster were at least marginal NFL prospects at some point in their life.I could have the best coaching in the world - won't turn me into an NFL WR.
And IF AJ wanted to do it in order to keep playing. No idea how important it is to him to keep playing deep into his 30's.AJ now could be Shannon Sharpe in his prime IF a coach would decide to do it.
Or, DeAndre may be the first to be ABLE to follow his instruction because of his talent level.Generally it comes too easy for the greats. The marginal players really had to learn the craft instead of just being able to do it naturally.
How many receivers were on the Texans roster from 2003 - 2014? If AJ could have mentored them up, we wouldn't have needed to draft DeAndre. Why was DeAndre his only successful protege? Probably because he was the only one with the natural talent - thus he would have succeeded with or without a mentor.
Thanks for the hyphen. It's so confusing without one. Resign... re-sign. They are just about polar opposites.Andre Hal? Absolutely must re-sign!!
Oh, you mean Johnson, ohells no
He doesn't have to say anything. I'm not taking the position that all great players can be great mentors or coaches. Most of them suck at it. We agree on that. But AJ has shown that he's a good mentor in the past. He and Nuk are still close. Young players don't always come in and talk about how a great player has taken the time and effort to show them the ropes and help them understand how to study and be a pro like Nuk did with AJ.Really? Seriously? WTF is Nuk supposed to say? Most of the praise of Andre is all "he's a professional who leads by example". In other words he is not a leader. Every player in history who spent any time on a team with an all time great at his position has said the same thing about the great leadership whether true or not. But the greatest coaches of all time turn out to be non players or marginal players like Phil Jackson and Pat Riley.
First off, how long would it take AJ to LEARN what he needed to learn to be a great professional? I doubt he would have been a good mentor his first few years in the league. So exclude those guys.Generally it comes too easy for the greats. The marginal players really had to learn the craft instead of just being able to do it naturally.
How many receivers were on the Texans roster from 2003 - 2014? If AJ could have mentored them up, we wouldn't have needed to draft DeAndre. Why was DeAndre his only successful protege? Probably because he was the only one with the natural talent - thus he would have succeeded with or without a mentor.
You tryin to win championships or retire jerseys ?!Who cares...AJ will go down in history as one of the best ever. He will retire a Texan as he should. Sign him for 1 final season so he can go out as Texan the right way.
Let's not act like there aren't guys on our roster who will do zero to help us win a championship, AJ will and can still contribute more than all of them.That ship has sailed .... and sank. If Hoyer or some other placeholder is still throwing the ball in his general direction .... why would he even consider it ?!
Vet minimum deal I'd consider it .... with no guarantees for playing time.
Anything more than that .... aint worth the trouble nor the expense.
You tryin to win championships or retire jerseys ?!
Hopkins has proven he's a stud and AJ has proven he's lost a step or three ....
I just aint the sentimental type and don't expect fairy tale endings.
Umm no, he won't be signing here for more than 1 day so no, no he won'tLet's not act like there aren't guys on our roster who will do zero to help us win a championship, AJ will and can still contribute more than all of them.
Not saying he will, isn't this a "what if" thread ?Umm no, he won't be signing here for more than 1 day so no, no he won't
You stated he will and can, just responding to your commentNot saying he will, isn't this a "what if" thread ?
Will and can as far as contributing, didn't specifically mean he would do so here. I get why u thought that though.You stated he will and can, just responding to your comment
If you believe Indy was a functional team this season.37 receptions and 453 yards. There will be stronger value at the position in the draft and FA.
True, but we will find better value for the type of skills, and teammate, at the position.If you believe Indy was a functional team this season.