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"Workout Warriors"-Home page article

"I guess you meant"

...aren't we posters lucky to always have you there to tell us what we 'really' meant to say but didn't!!!
 
jerek said:
Ah yes, as it has been "widely reported" that the guy doesn't study film according to the Message Board David Carr Critics' standard.

Can anybody tell me where this rumor of his bad film study practice even came from? "I heard it on the radio" or "someone told me" doesn't count.
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I'll admit that I am one of the people who has talked about it because it was discussed on 610 a few times. I wrote the morning guys and they pretty much said that they thought the coaches MIGHT have thought that. The quote was, ""While David's work after practice has been questioned, I've never personally heard anything from any of his teammates that they have a problem with it. Maybe some coaches did though." Carr has always said he likes going home for film study because of family time. In Zerlein's newsletter he said this about VY, "In other words, he won't go home to watch film, he'll actually stay up at the facility and watch with his coaches (paging Mr. Carr... please report to the courtesy booth). I don't listen to those guys much but I figure they hear more than we do. The same things have been said by McClain and others in their articles.
 
Lucky said:
Don't forget that superstar wideout Corey Bradford, who was scooped up by the Lions GM Matt "I've never met a WR I didn't like" Millen. You're up to 27%, now.
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So that was your reply to me answering the follwing question from you? No reply would have been better than that.

Those coaches and players were highly sought after on the open market, were they?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
So that was your reply to me answering the follwing question from you? No reply would have been better than that.

Those coaches and players were highly sought after on the open market, were they?
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Were you serious in suggesting that Gaffney, Brown, and Bradford were held back by David Carr alone, and will be boffo successes in the NFL? A simple yes or no will suffice.
 
Lucky said:
Were you serious in suggesting that Gaffney, Brown, and Bradford were held back by David Carr alone, and will be boffo successes in the NFL? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Just as we do not know if Carr was truly held back by Capers and Company we cannot 100% say that Carr's inability to commandeer a full playook held back these players. These are unknowns that will play themselves out next year.

You asked about other teams chomping at the bit for the Texans and I gave you two starters for teams that will be vying for the playoffs. That is 18% of an 11 man unit, you mentioned Bradford and he could be starting for the Lions.

When someone answers my questions I usually like to give them props or continue the debate within the original question. I am sorry if my answer and the acquisitions of our Texans did not fit the intent of your question. I answered your question and if you can't get that then I will not be answering any more of your questions as yes and no qualifiers for follow up questions are tantamount to taking the ball home due to you did not get picked.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
You asked about other teams chomping at the bit for the Texans and I gave you two starters for teams that will be vying for the playoffs. That is 18% of an 11 man unit, you mentioned Bradford and he could be starting for the Lions.
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It's not 100% certain that any of these ex-Texans will start for their respective teams. Gaffney signed a one year contract the day before Darnerian McCants inked with the Eagles (I guess he was highly sought after, as well). Either or neither could start at WR for the Eagles. If Brown is a starting guard for the Cards, God bless Kurt Warner. And if Bradford starts for the Lions, there are about 4 Lion WRs on the injured list.

Kubiak thought that some of the Texans offense players were expendable, some weren't. Gaffney, Brown, and Bradford were expendable. Carr wasn't. That much, I'm certain of.
 
Here is something to analyze: I heard Carr had Trix for breakfast and played some Madden yesterday. I expect 4 pages of analysis............go!

This board cracks me up.
 
CarrIsFine said:
Here is something to analyze: I heard Carr had Trix for breakfast and played some Madden yesterday. I expect 4 pages of analysis............go!

This board cracks me up.
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Posts like this are awesome. Very articulate, to the point, demeans others and sarcastically claims they are amused by doing the same action they detest. Well done. Whoa, did I just do the same thing? Man do I feel better. :rolleyes:

Pot-Kettle, party of two? Your table is ready.
 
jerek said:
Ah yes, as it has been "widely reported" that the guy doesn't study film according to the Message Board David Carr Critics' standard.

Can anybody tell me where this rumor of his bad film study practice even came from? "I heard it on the radio" or "someone told me" doesn't count.
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People read to much into the radio here. Now I am not going to say that he studies tirelessly, but the one time I met Todd Wade I asked him how often does the OL and the QB study film together and he said more hours than most people work in a day. that was his words, now he could have meant only 8hrs or he could have meant 8hrs a day. who knows, but that tells me they are at least in the film room doing some work.

BTW Jerek I knew a kid name Jerek back in Amsterdam, you wouldnt happen to be Norwegian.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Posts like this are awesome. Very articulate, to the point, demeans others and sarcastically claims they are amused by doing the same action they detest. Well done. Whoa, did I just do the same thing? Man do I feel better. :rolleyes:

Pot-Kettle, party of two? Your table is ready.
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You are right, I am amused at the wide array of conclusions and speculation that people bring up from the simple fact that DC works out mornings in the offseason. But, hey, that is what makes this board tick.

Personally, I think DC playing Madden is a good thing. I've heard from my cousins barber that DC has issues with hand-eye coordination. Playing video games should help raise his completion % to 65+.
 
CarrIsFine said:
You are right, I am amused at the wide array of conclusions and speculation that people bring up from the simple fact that DC works out mornings in the offseason. But, hey, that is what makes this board tick.

Personally, I think DC playing Madden is a good thing. I've heard from my cousins barber that DC has issues with hand-eye coordination. Playing video games should help raise his completion % to 65+.
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I have no idea what to conclude from this. I do not have a snapsot of an experience in my memory to help bridge your words.
 
PokerStar said:
People read to much into the radio here. Now I am not going to say that he studies tirelessly, but the one time I met Todd Wade I asked him how often does the OL and the QB study film together and he said more hours than most people work in a day. that was his words, now he could have meant only 8hrs or he could have meant 8hrs a day. who knows, but that tells me they are at least in the film room doing some work.

BTW Jerek I knew a kid name Jerek back in Amsterdam, you wouldnt happen to be Norwegian.
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Actually I am. That's freaky.

People do read too much into the radio. For whatever these guys know, there is a hell of a lot they do not know. The team/players tend to avoid these guys like the plague any way - other than giving their prescheduled interviews, press conferences, etc., and especially in the midst of a 2-14 offseason - so if you listen to them expecting to be in the know, expecting some reporter to have the inside on how Player X really feels about his lousy family-man quarterback, you are probably going to come away misinformed.

As far as Carr studying film at home, I do not personally see why he should be criticized for it.

I asked is it reliably proven that he does not put in the *necessary* study while at Reliant?

To say he studies film at home is not the same thing as saying he does not study at Reliant. Team sessions, etc. are important, but I have yet to hear reliable, quality indication that he does not put in the necessary time doing this.
 
jerek said:
To say he studies film at home is not the same thing as saying he does not study at Reliant.
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To put this in Allen Iverson terms--we are talking extra film study here, extra, not the film the coaches think he should look at but extra film. There hasn't been a single source who has said anything about Carr not attending the sessions scheduled by the coaches with either the coaches, the WR's or the OL. People act like Carr is a prima donna who told Capers I am not going to attend your film study sessions. BS. This is completely about how much and where Carr individually studies extra film beyond what the coaches schedule for him. Basically we think he takes film home rather than viewing at Reliant--which means we have zero idea how much he does or does not study beyond what the Texans schedule for him.
 
I really could care less at the moment how or where he does his film study. We are about to enter year 5 of the David Carr experiment. No more excuses for Carr, he just needs to get it done by any means necessary.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I really could care less at the moment how or where he does his film study. We are about to enter year 5 of the David Carr experiment. No more excuses for Carr, he just needs to get it done by any means necessary.
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It is time to figure out what is going on and at this point the Texans are definitely paying a premium to do so. Hopefully the new coaching staff will eliminate or reduce many of the excuses/real world impairments to performance and we see whatever the real Carr is this year. My take has never been that Carr is great or unquestionable, it is quite the opposite that Carr has legitimate things he must improve upon so why make crud up to complain about? The hair cut, California boy, silly standards (never had a win with over 227 yds, 3 TD's and a cow under a tree in the orange parking lot), made up (he refuses to study film) tripe is BS IMO.
 
infantrycak said:
It is time to figure out what is going on and at this point the Texans are definitely paying a premium to do so. Hopefully the new coaching staff will eliminate or reduce many of the excuses/real world impairments to performance and we see whatever the real Carr is this year. My take has never been that Carr is great or unquestionable, it is quite the opposite that Carr has legitimate things he must improve upon so why make crud up to complain about? The hair cut, California boy, silly standards (never had a win with over 227 yds, 3 TD's and a cow under a tree in the orange parking lot), made up (he refuses to study film) tripe is BS IMO.
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Agreed. When you cut thorugh all of our banter, the acquistions and attritions and the press conferences the one thing that I like is that Kubiak is giving Carr all the rope in the world to hang himself or live up to expectations. That is what most of us have wanted, but there have been no percievable metrics to manage the development of DC pre Kubiak.

We need this guy to perform to get us over the top, plain and simple. He has the potential, he gets paid to perform and it is by all intent and purposes his team.

Just get it done.
 
infantrycak said:
It is time to figure out what is going on and at this point the Texans are definitely paying a premium to do so. Hopefully the new coaching staff will eliminate or reduce many of the excuses/real world impairments to performance and we see whatever the real Carr is this year. My take has never been that Carr is great or unquestionable, it is quite the opposite that Carr has legitimate things he must improve upon so why make crud up to complain about? The hair cut, California boy, silly standards (never had a win with over 227 yds, 3 TD's and a cow under a tree in the orange parking lot), made up (he refuses to study film) tripe is BS IMO.
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Exactly.

And simply for the record, why do we only complain about Carr getting overpaid? This on the team that substantially overpays pretty much every one of its FAs (Weaver, most recently, Greenwood last year, to name a few of the many) and then some. I know the FA is about who's going to show the most money, but am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture?

Please understand, it is not a leading question, it is not meant as some kind of thinly disguised corrolary to "David is the man" ... crap like that. I feel that there are a number of posters on this board who do not like DC for verifiably legitimate reasons and they simply want what is best for the Texans, without spinning every post into some kind of agenda for their other pet player, KT being one of those guys.

Just an observation, nothing more.
 
Joe Texan said:
Oh you summoned me.

Davey jumped up and started to do something cause Gary was coming to town and he knew his future rode on doing exactly what Gary wanted.
Good for Carr to be doing that in the offseason but does he know how the corners react in Dallas this season, Nope I doubt it cause he is too good to study that. I will be happy to see progress on Davids part cause it has been a long time coming.




Now this just sounds like a freshman in high school, come on man, David, Your making millions and the leader of this team, reach down and grab some.
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are you a part of the liberal media as well. Just checking.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'll admit that I am one of the people who has talked about it because it was discussed on 610 a few times. I wrote the morning guys and they pretty much said that they thought the coaches MIGHT have thought that. The quote was, ""While David's work after practice has been questioned, I've never personally heard anything from any of his teammates that they have a problem with it. Maybe some coaches did though." Carr has always said he likes going home for film study because of family time. In Zerlein's newsletter he said this about VY, "In other words, he won't go home to watch film, he'll actually stay up at the facility and watch with his coaches (paging Mr. Carr... please report to the courtesy booth). I don't listen to those guys much but I figure they hear more than we do. The same things have been said by McClain and others in their articles.
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Zerlein ... the biggest Vince Young fan this side of Austin. Paging credibility ... oh no, credibility is gone!
 
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