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Doesn't look good for Tua on that sack...hope the injury is not too serious
Could be me in the minority
I’ll try to stay out of this thread, but FYI I’m 1:30 remaining in 1st Qtr. Tua just threw an interception
CloakNNNdagger
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Last week, they tried to play off his injury to the back, when in fact he hit his head hard on the turf. He should have never played today. Tonight, he demonstrated a modified fencers pose, classic for very severe head trauma. Someone needs to go back and delve into how the neuro specialists ever cleared him and allowed him back on the field last game.
gs27
Veteran
Will the public hospital neuro specialists be able to see the damage from last week? Dolphins organization could and should be in a world of hurt. Absolutely disgusting.
TexansBull
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They looks like a pattern I saw on a thong.
So you like it.
CloakNNNdagger
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An MRI can occasionally distinguish old from new concussion (eg. intracranial bleed), but can't count on it. If only a sideline neuro exam was performed, these may not manifest changes until hours or days later. That's why when there is any significant reason to suspect head injury, you err on the safe side. If you have even followed Texans players, there are examples of these players having been questionably cleared to return to play in the game of injury..........only to manifest overt signs of concussion such as nausea and headaches a some hours or day or two after the game.......and ending up on the Injury Report.
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Boris
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this came to mind...i'm not even at a Holiday Inn
en.wikipedia.org
The fencing response is an unnatural position of the arms following a concussion. Immediately after moderate forces have been applied to the brainstem, the forearms are held flexed or extended (typically into the air) for a period lasting up to several seconds after the impact. The fencing response is often observed during athletic competition involving contact, such as combat sports, American football, hockey, rugby union, rugby league and Australian rules football. It is used as an overt indicator of injury force magnitude and midbrain localization to aid in injury identification and classification for events including on-field and/or bystander observations of sports-related head injuries.
Fencing response - Wikipedia
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Boris
All Pro
didn't see this prior to my post
wow!
imagine a dr. approached by an NFL team...tantamount to a lawyer being approached by the cartel
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
At least the Raiders are doing the right thing with Renfeow.
Most here were calling Wilkins trash... many players need a few years to develop but few fans want to give them that time
ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
Glad to see my boys continue to grind and improve. I wasn't worried about the slow start mainly because many of the starters rarely, if ever, played in the preseason. Many were hurt and recovering from one thing or another. Fast forward to last nights game and it's basically them being in week 1 form.
While that sucks for Tua, there's simply no way they could justify putting him on that field after the hit to the head he took just 4 days earlier. If you haven't seen that play, go back and watch it and ask yourself if you think it's safe for him to have played last night. Not a chance. Shame on the Dolphins.
On a "Funny but messed up note" I saw the comment that he got hit so hard he was throwing up gang signs.
I personally really like the look of the white helmets. The TV broadcast really doesn't do them justice in how clean the whole look appears (super clean). On a cool note, the Bengals had 100 military Veterans volunteer to put those white pom poms in every seat before the game, fed them dinner at the stadium, had them hang out before the game and gave them free tickets to watch. Really cool on their part.
Hoping the Texans can do something this weekend against the Chargers. Sucks we have to wait until week 9 to see the Texans Battle Red combo. I think that look is going to be sick !!
Have a great weekend everyone !!
While that sucks for Tua, there's simply no way they could justify putting him on that field after the hit to the head he took just 4 days earlier. If you haven't seen that play, go back and watch it and ask yourself if you think it's safe for him to have played last night. Not a chance. Shame on the Dolphins.
On a "Funny but messed up note" I saw the comment that he got hit so hard he was throwing up gang signs.
I personally really like the look of the white helmets. The TV broadcast really doesn't do them justice in how clean the whole look appears (super clean). On a cool note, the Bengals had 100 military Veterans volunteer to put those white pom poms in every seat before the game, fed them dinner at the stadium, had them hang out before the game and gave them free tickets to watch. Really cool on their part.
Hoping the Texans can do something this weekend against the Chargers. Sucks we have to wait until week 9 to see the Texans Battle Red combo. I think that look is going to be sick !!
Have a great weekend everyone !!
CloakNNNdagger
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I wouldn't go as far as that. Renfrow in fact suffered a severe head trauma on back-to-back plays. Although after the first, he appeared briefly unstable, the Raiders did not remove him from the game until he fumbled on the next play where he sustained another severe hit to the head.....and the manifestations were entirely inarguable. Also Renfrow prior to these 2 incidents had a history of at least 2 previous documented concussions.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Following his supposed back injury (with no further consideration of concussion) 2 games ago, Tua was never even followed for concussion signs the days coming up to this last game. He was no longer considered for concussion, despite the fact that he would be exposed to potential repeat trauma in a game only 4 days later.
DeMaurice Smith vows to pursue “every legal option” regarding the handling of Tua Tagovailoa on Sunday
Posted by Mike Florio on September 29, 2022, 11:56 PM EDT
The biggest concern emerging from Thursday night’s game between the Dolphins and Bengals is whether Miami quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should have been playing.
As explained by Michael Smith on the Amazon postgame show, NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith texted to Andrew Whitworth (a former NFLPA player rep) and Richard Sherman (a member of the NFLPA executive committee) the following message: “We insisted on these rules to avoid exactly this scenario. We will pursue every legal option, including making referrals against the doctors to licensing agencies and the team that is obligated to keep our players safe.”
Amen to all of that.
Here’s the issue, as I explained it both on Football Night in America and throughout the week, on PFT Live and in this outlet. If a player shows “gross motor instability,” he may continue only if the team physician and the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant conclude that the instability was not neurologically caused.
I posed to the league — twice — on Sunday a very simple question. How did the team physician and the UNC conclude that the gross motor instability exhibited by Tua was not neurological? Did they take Tua’s word for it that it was a back injury? Did they carefully study the know-it-when-you-see-it video that the wobbling and wooziness was not the result of a head injury? Did they do something else?
Those questions have yet to be answered. Presumably, they’ll be answered as part of the investigation that was initiated by the NFLPA. They need to be.
It doesn’t matter if Tua cleared every possible cognitive test that they administered. They still were required BY RULE to determine that the gross motor instability did not have a neurological cause.
Absent that conclusion, he wouldn’t have returned to the game. He quite possibly wouldn’t have played tonight.
Even if, as it appears, Tua will be fine, that doesn’t diminish the concern. The goal is to prevent a player who has had one head injury from having another. The consequences can be devastating for the player. They can, frankly, be fatal.
It’s important for anyone who enjoys and/or profits from the game to care about the health and safety of all players, and to be vigilant about ensuring that the rules aimed at protecting the players are honored — even if it means that a player won’t be available to return to a big game, or to play in another big game starting only four days later.
Those are the stakes. Tua managed to avoid a serious outcome. Unless this potential flaw in the protocol is rectified, the next player may not be so fortunate. Or the next one. Or the next one.
Thirteen years ago, quarterback Carson Palmer made waves by warning in a roundtable discussion moderated by Peter King that, inevitably, there will be a fatality in a game. That outcome, obviously, must be avoided at all costs. How the Tua situation is handled by the league and the union will go a long way toward helping ensure that Palmer’s prediction never comes to fruition.
DeMaurice Smith vows to pursue “every legal option” regarding the handling of Tua Tagovailoa on Sunday
Posted by Mike Florio on September 29, 2022, 11:56 PM EDT
The biggest concern emerging from Thursday night’s game between the Dolphins and Bengals is whether Miami quarterback Tua Tagovailoa should have been playing.
As explained by Michael Smith on the Amazon postgame show, NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith texted to Andrew Whitworth (a former NFLPA player rep) and Richard Sherman (a member of the NFLPA executive committee) the following message: “We insisted on these rules to avoid exactly this scenario. We will pursue every legal option, including making referrals against the doctors to licensing agencies and the team that is obligated to keep our players safe.”
Amen to all of that.
Here’s the issue, as I explained it both on Football Night in America and throughout the week, on PFT Live and in this outlet. If a player shows “gross motor instability,” he may continue only if the team physician and the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultant conclude that the instability was not neurologically caused.
I posed to the league — twice — on Sunday a very simple question. How did the team physician and the UNC conclude that the gross motor instability exhibited by Tua was not neurological? Did they take Tua’s word for it that it was a back injury? Did they carefully study the know-it-when-you-see-it video that the wobbling and wooziness was not the result of a head injury? Did they do something else?
Those questions have yet to be answered. Presumably, they’ll be answered as part of the investigation that was initiated by the NFLPA. They need to be.
It doesn’t matter if Tua cleared every possible cognitive test that they administered. They still were required BY RULE to determine that the gross motor instability did not have a neurological cause.
Absent that conclusion, he wouldn’t have returned to the game. He quite possibly wouldn’t have played tonight.
Even if, as it appears, Tua will be fine, that doesn’t diminish the concern. The goal is to prevent a player who has had one head injury from having another. The consequences can be devastating for the player. They can, frankly, be fatal.
It’s important for anyone who enjoys and/or profits from the game to care about the health and safety of all players, and to be vigilant about ensuring that the rules aimed at protecting the players are honored — even if it means that a player won’t be available to return to a big game, or to play in another big game starting only four days later.
Those are the stakes. Tua managed to avoid a serious outcome. Unless this potential flaw in the protocol is rectified, the next player may not be so fortunate. Or the next one. Or the next one.
Thirteen years ago, quarterback Carson Palmer made waves by warning in a roundtable discussion moderated by Peter King that, inevitably, there will be a fatality in a game. That outcome, obviously, must be avoided at all costs. How the Tua situation is handled by the league and the union will go a long way toward helping ensure that Palmer’s prediction never comes to fruition.
Boris
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they put Tua on the plane to Miami last night
where's Favre when you need him!
bleacherreport.com
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where's Favre when you need him!
Brett Favre Funding Drug to Treat Concussions; More NFL Figures Backing Research
Former NFL quarterback Brett Favre is helping fund research by pharmaceutical company Prevacus, which is developing a drug that would potentially combat concussions on the cellular level...
bleacherreport.com
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Flying after concussion surprisingly still remains controversal. Studies have shown that there is a significant decrease in an individual’s partial pressure and oxygen when flying, which is of particular concern after a concussion/brain injury. When pressure changes lead to decreased oxygen in a brain injury survivor, it can alter or worsen the effects of the brain injury. There is no agreed upon time from concussion event to time considered safe to fly. But it is interesting to note that many airlines require a formal medical exemption from the primary care provider, or specialist, if the injury occurred within ten days from the flight time.they put Tua on the plane to Miami last night
where's Favre when you need him!
.Brett Favre Funding Drug to Treat Concussions; More NFL Figures Backing Research
Former NFL quarterback Brett Favre is helping fund research by pharmaceutical company Prevacus, which is developing a drug that would potentially combat concussions on the cellular level...
CloakNNNdagger
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BTW, Tua flew back with a neck brace.
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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SMDH
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Dolphins being the Dolphins
badboy
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Which games are you watching today?
Actually, there's an early game. Some blokes playing in England
I’m liking those Saints helmets
CloakNNNdagger
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Minnesota Vikings rookie safety Lewis Cine was carted off with what is being reported as a severe lower left leg injury he suffered on a punt return in the first half. Watching the film (and slow motioning it), it certainly appears that he may have suffered a fracture dislocation of his left ankle.
austins23
Hall of Fame
The unis need to be regular! Really cool. Too bad the Saints offense is crap right now. The D is really good
Yep! #39 got totally turned around. Guess there's a reason he's on ST
Nice throw & catch for the Vikings. Acting like they don’t want to go to OT
austins23
Hall of Fame
Or play for the tie
What a finish in London
There DL turned into players, unlike most of their other players. Why? because they got the proper coaching in the NFL that they didn't get at Clemson. Besides that Clemson trash has issues with honoring their contracts. Most, not all are all about themselves.
Jets put the Steelers in a tough spot. They need a TD to win & Pickett pulling the trigger
Brian Hoyer.
Aaron Rodgers.
hmmmmm…
Aaron Rodgers.
hmmmmm…