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steelbtexan

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This is along the lines of what I'd do .... Knowing we can't get off of the Watson / Tunsil contracts. I'd also keep Akins - I think he's got real potential , particularly in a WCO type system.

Have to start up front - fix the C spot and another quality OG to go with that stud RB.

No more of this stupid pistol RPO crap where we don't apply the principals of the system - we're getting under center , pounding the rock using a lot of 2 TE sets and using a heavy dose of play action off of that.
Simplify the offense and build an identity of beating teams in the trenches. Control the ball & the clock .... make teams desperate. Watson can play superman when plays break down but otherwise - stick to the script.

All of the WR's would be part of the salary dump - along with Johnson and Johnson.

The defense is a bit more complicated .... but I'd start with a fire sale dumping salary - Watt , Mercilus , McKinney - move them for what I can get which probably isn't much - maybe a contender would take Watt for a 3rd or 4th to bolster a playoff run ?
Mercilus / McKinney return much less and you eat some dead money on Mercilus but this is about clearing the deck for the near future.
Seems like a great plan to me. You also need to find a blocking TE if you want to pound the ball.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
.....Jets could trade Darnold for a decent return and draft Trevor Lawrence which would create total delirium in NY. NY advertising companies would be shiteing themselves in preparation to gear up for Namath 2.0!!! Also, wouldn’t hurt the Jets feelings that they also have 5 years of control.
I read article this morning defending a QB saying he made some mistakes but had not been helped much by GMs choice of players brought in thru FA and draft plus poor trades. The head coach is horrible and losing the players. Team would deny if asked but had contacted a coach search organization.
Article was about Jets, Adam Gase and Sam Donald. McNairs would also deny searching for replacement of HC but would be truth.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I'd keep tunsil, watson, sharping and howard, everyone else is on the table. What ever draft picks i get back in return I'd package it and get me a stud RB in the draft and make him the focal point of the offense, which means ill probably let go one of cooks/cobbs/fuller/stills.

Watson can just feed of the RB instead of trying to play hero ball

At the very least devlin is gone
Just to clarify, Fuller and Stills contracts end this season so unless you meant trading during season would not bring anything. I too would keep Scharpie but if you keep Watson Tunsil you have no high picks you might draft RB in third; whom do you think that stud would be? Or are you saying trade all our picks to get a stud in mid to late round two? How do we get help for other positions?
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
This is along the lines of what I'd do .... Knowing we can't get off of the Watson / Tunsil contracts. I'd also keep Akins - I think he's got real potential , particularly in a WCO type system.

Have to start up front - fix the C spot and another quality OG to go with that stud RB.

No more of this stupid pistol RPO crap where we don't apply the principals of the system - we're getting under center , pounding the rock using a lot of 2 TE sets and using a heavy dose of play action off of that.
Simplify the offense and build an identity of beating teams in the trenches. Control the ball & the clock .... make teams desperate. Watson can play superman when plays break down but otherwise - stick to the script.

All of the WR's would be part of the salary dump - along with Johnson and Johnson.

The defense is a bit more complicated .... but I'd start with a fire sale dumping salary - Watt , Mercilus , McKinney - move them for what I can get which probably isn't much - maybe a contender would take Watt for a 3rd or 4th to bolster a playoff run ?
Mercilus / McKinney return much less and you eat some dead money on Mercilus but this is about clearing the deck for the near future.
Wouldn't moving Cobb create same dead money problem you voiced with Tunsil and Watson?
 

JWTexans

Practice Squad
This is along the lines of what I'd do .... Knowing we can't get off of the Watson / Tunsil contracts. I'd also keep Akins - I think he's got real potential , particularly in a WCO type system.

Have to start up front - fix the C spot and another quality OG to go with that stud RB.

No more of this stupid pistol RPO crap where we don't apply the principals of the system - we're getting under center , pounding the rock using a lot of 2 TE sets and using a heavy dose of play action off of that.
Simplify the offense and build an identity of beating teams in the trenches. Control the ball & the clock .... make teams desperate. Watson can play superman when plays break down but otherwise - stick to the script.

All of the WR's would be part of the salary dump - along with Johnson and Johnson.

The defense is a bit more complicated .... but I'd start with a fire sale dumping salary - Watt , Mercilus , McKinney - move them for what I can get which probably isn't much - maybe a contender would take Watt for a 3rd or 4th to bolster a playoff run ?
Mercilus / McKinney return much less and you eat some dead money on Mercilus but this is about clearing the deck for the near future.
I'd be all over Travis Etienne in that scenario.
 

banned1976

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Vikes suspending activities today, not sure how long.
48 hours is what I heard. The meat of their practice leading up to this game.

If this game isn’t rescheduled and the Texans still lose with this kind of advantage, I don’t see how the Texans can escape a losing season. Mathematically it’s possible, of course, but losing to a winless team that was unable to properly prepare for you would be the gut punch of all gut punches.
 

dream_team

Hall of Fame
48 hours is what I heard. The meat of their practice leading up to this game.

If this game isn’t rescheduled and the Texans still lose with this kind of advantage, I don’t see how the Texans can escape a losing season. Mathematically it’s possible, of course, but losing to a winless team that was unable to properly prepare for you would be the gut punch of all gut punches.
Seth Payne on 610 says this isn't that big of an advantage as people would think. And considering the Vikes were 0-3 and playing poorly, sometimes these type of breaks can help.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I didn't do the math for Cobb .... but you are probably right that it would create some dead money but if we're clearing the decks - take your lumps and get it over with as long as its not the 16/10m for the other two.
Think it's nine million. Man I really thought NFL had decided to allow dead money as part of 'lost' to remain as is over the contract. That crunches future. Hope Stills and Fuller play great. And teams offer us a second round for each..whahaha !
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Think it's nine million. Man I really thought NFL had decided to allow dead money as part of 'lost' to remain as is over the contract. That crunches future. Hope Stills and Fuller play great. And teams offer us a second round for each..whahaha !

No , that's not the case .... dead money is still just dead.

What they agreed to was not lowering the cap below 175m for 2021 and spreading further losses over the next three caps - That is assuming 21 is back to normal with fans in the stands.
 

banned1976

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Seth Payne on 610 says this isn't that big of an advantage as people would think. And considering the Vikes were 0-3 and playing poorly, sometimes these type of breaks can help.
That’s the spin he’s going with, I guess. I wonder what he’ll be saying on the radio on Monday if they lose? Fans aren’t going to want to hear the excuse that the reason the Texans lost was because the Vikings were down 2 or 3 days of preparing for this game. That it gave them some kind of emotional advantage. If that really turns out to be the case, the Texans are softer mentally than I thought.
 

Double Barrel

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Am I in the “fantasy football” section of this message board?
Madden franchise mode! :gamer:

J/K badboy! I actually love this thread, simply because it gives me a little hope for a post-O'Brien future.

I'm ready for the owners to hit the proverbial reset button. . . :panic:

I'm not enamored with any player on the roster if it means more draft capital under a new GM & HC.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Madden franchise mode! :gamer:

J/K badboy! I actually love this thread, simply because it gives me a little hope for a post-O'Brien future.

I'm ready for the owners to hit the proverbial reset button. . . :panic:

I'm not enamored with any player on the roster if it means more draft capital under a new GM & HC.

There's hope after they hit the reset button .... but I think its an extended rebuild as they are lacking talent at so many positions.

At least 2 , maybe 3 spots on the OL - Center and RG at least - I'd toy with the idea of moving Titus to RG and look for a better option at RT.

There's nothing special about this WR group - I can't see them keeping WFV , gonna cost too much for a guy who can't stay on the field , even if its roughly the same $$ he's getting this year.
Cobb , Cooks and Stills are meh. None of them are long term solutions , Cooks is likely a cap casualty after this season and Cobb probably gone after 2021 & Stills expires at the end of this season.

The RB spot really needs an infusion of young talent tho we probably have one more year of the current backfield- Duke is cheap in 21 and David has some dead money.

The defense is a total mess .... they need talent at every level and have underperforming players with significant dead money all over the place - that's going to be a real project.

Then there's the fact that their cap is a wreck & they have no premium draft picks in the next draft - I think next season could be rock bottom.
 

Mangler

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Sure but moving Watt, Tunsil and Watson & David Johnson saves millions. If moved we should be replacing them with cheap rookie contracts. I think we need a coach that can mould young players as this move reduces roster age average a lot.
You actually trust O’Brien trading away more stars and replacing them with someone just as good for cheaper? When has that ever happened? I’d be ok with all those players being let go only if it’s to allow a new HC to pick all the players he wants/needs for his system. O’Brien’s defense was only that good because of the roster he inherited. What player on defense has he signed or drafted (besides Reid) that was actually any good? He still depends on Kubiak/Wade‘s guys to this day, even though they’re clearly over the hill.
 

steelbtexan

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His personality leaves a lot to be desired, but I'd trust a guy from the Andy Reid coaching tree over most.
Why?

Pederson/Nagy haven't been all that great.

Philly won a SB, yes. But their offense since then has been below avg at best. I mean they tied the Bengals last week is a perfect example and only put up 23 pts on the Bengals awful defense and that's with overtime. My Bear friends are rumbling about Nagy's playcalling.
 

DocBar

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You are incorrect on contracts of all three. Tunsil and Dashaun have to be traded to get draft picks in 2020. Like them or not has zero to do with moving team forward. We are moving backwards with them on team for whatever reason. We are not staying even but going in reverse and that is good only in destruction derbies which ends with participants destroyed.
Were you imbibing adult beverages when you posted this stuff?
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans 1-1...Post OB!!!!!
Anyone would be better than OB. Pull his history as a HC and it's not the type of resume that winning organizations would say.....got a feeling about this one, hand him the reins to the organization, you know.....HC / OC and let him manage the draft so throw in GM as well. NO, only the Texans would be that incompetent!!!!!
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Were you imbibing adult beverages when you posted this stuff?
Nope no longer imbibe just incorrect apparently as I believed NFL had agreed to let dead money remain spread over the contract. another person corrected me.
 

Seegara

Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Yellowbellies salvage one, do not finish 0-16.

Buttchins 35
Old Scandinavians 30
Covid 100
 

NastyNate

I go kerplunk
Why?

Pederson/Nagy haven't been all that great.

Philly won a SB, yes. But their offense since then has been below avg at best. I mean they tied the Bengals last week is a perfect example and only put up 23 pts on the Bengals awful defense and that's with overtime. My Bear friends are rumbling about Nagy's playcalling.
Did you really just say "Philly won a superbowl, but..."??? Are you drunk? The superbowl IS the goal. We win one and I don't give a **** what happens the next 8 years.
 

banned1976

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It's just a waiting game now to see if this was the loss I was waiting (not to be confused with hoping) for. If it's status quo this week...O'Brien develops the game plan against Jacksonville and the Texans fall flat against the Jags, then this is not the game I needed. The Texans lost this game pretty much how they lost the previous 3. The offense looked exactly the same. The defense exhibited poor tackling technique...just like all year. And the result was a big fat L at the end of it.

In short, it was an insanity game. O'Brien continues to do the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
It's just a waiting game now to see if this was the loss I was waiting (not to be confused with hoping) for. If it's status quo this week...O'Brien develops the game plan against Jacksonville and the Texans fall flat against the Jags, then this is not the game I needed. The Texans lost this game pretty much how they lost the previous 3. The offense looked exactly the same. The defense exhibited poor tackling technique...just like all year. And the result was a big fat L at the end of it.

In short, it was an insanity game. O'Brien continues to do the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
He's employing the double down method at the casino. :hankpalm: :corrosion:
 

steelbtexan

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Did you really just say "Philly won a superbowl, but..."??? Are you drunk? The superbowl IS the goal. We win one and I don't give a **** what happens the next 8 years.
A fair statement,

But there will be no SB's with the 160 mil $$$$ man even with Lombardi/Landry/Walsh being reincarnated to coach the Texans.

Dont take this as a pro BOB post.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Both teams are terrible. If Houston loses and they could do you agree we need to start moving players to prepare for future? Regardless of what you think about coaches or HC/GM or players or whom should get what percentage of blame (I think plenty to go around) is it time to move on?

It is for me. I am not angry or surprisingly disgusted. I just don't think we're going anywhere and it's time to change that. I think O' Brien could still sway the McNair's by saying we lost to better team in Kansas City and Baltimore and even Steelers but if we do not win and handily next Sunday, Cal is going to be bombarded even more. It is also easy for me to predict several other losses before we get to Browns. Jags are 50 50 to me..if that.

No use whining about poor contracts as with Cunningham, Mercilus or Martin..history! Same with trade of you know who for you know who coming in...history! Yeah Reader is gone, PJ is scrambling against multiple blockers Blacklock and Greenard were held out...history!

Doesn't matter who is ruining whose career, this season is or soon will be a disaster. Watson and Tunsil are in prime years even with their contracts. Go to overthecap.com and change the dead money and cap saving column to Post June 1 trade for years after 2020.
Tunsil, Watson and maybe McKinney are only trade options that might/should bring in high picks. I posted elsewhere that Watt needed a good game to interest Pittsburgh in trading for him to get them closer to divisional game but JJ couldn't get it done. If we want anything for him needs to be moved before he plays himself out of any value and I mean after October 4th say October..5th! Sure McNairs want to retire his jersey but he might soon be worth only a jersey. Loyalty means he gets paid fifteen million while earning 15,000.

1. Fire O'Brien today (Monday).
2. Crennel not Weaver takes over HC and DC. Do whatever you want with Weaver.
3. OC? Who the --knows? Is Kelly calling what he wants and being held accountable? Would he change if Bill terminated?
4. Trade JJ for what we can get now

and allow Omenihu to take over. We need to see what we have with Blacklock & Greenard.
5. Give out feelers that Laremy and Deshaun could be had for good deals for Houston after June 1 2021. Trade partners select whom we want and swap is made then. Like 2020, draft in 2021 as of now only offer one stand above QB, Trevor Lawrence. Does Carolina, Jets, and Minnesota want to see TL get hurt like Tu'a Tag? Do they hope a little known has season of his life as did Joe B to push the alleged #1 pick out? What about Dolphins? Do they hope Tu'a is better than Watson or even Fitzpatrick?
Watson has a no trade but does he want to risk a re-whatever you call it? Going to NY with new coach [Dabo or his OC] and a new GM that has a first and maybe a second for Sam Donald left after trading for Dashaun could be enticing. Think he could get a few more commercials? Now will his momma let him play there or in sin city? That may prove to be biggest obstacle.
Yeah, I know you want to keep him around but then it back to routine. What coach will come here with this roster and no pick til third? No cap?

Maybe I am just a little angry and disgusted after all.

Edited as I didn't preview.
Let's see...#1 check. #2 check..
 


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