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Will the Texans have a new OC in 2025?

KA4Texan said:
Hopefully you're all wrong.... Hopefully Slowick has been playing the long game..... he has been playing Mohammed Ali the whole season.... and unleashes his REAL plan while everyone is expecting Slow.... the Chargers get knocked out of the playoffs and then the Texans go on to domin...:lol: I was so close....

I honestly don't believe it happens but only way this playoff appearance resembles anything of substance is if they've all been faking us all out. I hope its the case and the undeniable genius of Slow and the era of Strouds legacy begins now.... but......
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One things for sure, if things don't go well it will be Slowik 's fault and CJ will get a pass.

BTW, notice a trend, Derrick does well, then falls off and it's the OC's fault. Mills is saddled with Lovie, Pep and it's Mills fault. CJ comes in and does well then falls off and it's the OC's fault.
 
Porky said:
Does anyone run the Air Coryell system anymore? That one seems like a nice blend between the WC and the EC. I remember those old Chargers teams under his leadership. That was at a time (late 70's) where the running game was still king, and his teams were slinging the ball around the yard, and successfully so. However, IIRC, in the playoffs, they failed because their run game wasn't that good.

I'd be reticent to go back to a true EP system. Make things simple so guys don't have to think...they just do. So, for me, that's not McDaniels. Plus he is a total asshat. I"d keep Bobby before I hire Josh.

I would prefer keeping the basic WC theme in place, but get someone who can get the most out of the guys and can call a better and more creative game.
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No one runs any system exclusively these days and every team in the NFL probably has some concepts from air Coryell in their playbooks. As for Slowik …he will be here next year, but I think we’ll see some fairly significant changes on the offensive side of the ball with the coaching staff. He’ll get a run game coordinator and almost certainly a new o-line coach.
 
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Mr teX said:
Come on man, you’ve been around long enough to know how Steelb gets down…there are no coincidences..only conspiracies and down right scandals when it comes to the Texans.
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To be honest. I really wanted Mills to start the last game and throw for 300 yards and 4 TDs. I just wanted to read the crazy posts from certain posters and lurkers. It would have been hilarious.
 
KA4Texan said:
Hopefully you're all wrong.... Hopefully Slowick has been playing the long game..... he has been playing Mohammed Ali the whole season.... and unleashes his REAL plan while everyone is expecting Slow.... the Chargers get knocked out of the playoffs and then the Texans go on to domin...:lol: I was so close....

I honestly don't believe it happens but only way this playoff appearance resembles anything of substance is if they've all been faking us all out. I hope its the case and the undeniable genius of Slow and the era of Strouds legacy begins now.... but......
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I am hoping for a win but already moving on to the draft and free agency.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not saying this is the case. I don't know. But remember when Baby Shanny was here with Lafluer? Wouldn't it have been nice if they were here all along & groomed to take over from Kubiak?

I'm not seeing Slowik that way, but that's why DeMeco brought him. He knew there would be a learning curve & some bumps in the road. I've been saying it's hard to tell what is Bobby Slowik & what is Cj S2roud. The good & the bad gets filtered through what Cj does & doesn't do on the field. Cj hasn't been the guy we think he can be, for good reasons, no doubt.

But I hope Cj starts having fun again & start playing the way we know he can. & for me it just happens to be Slowik. I don't know him, DeMeco brought him. It could be Jerrod Johnson for all I care, but I want one guy here for a large part of Cj's developmental years to grow with him.

I don't want him to have to learn a new system & be in QB limbo like Herbert's has been for the last couple of years.
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I look to the quarterback coach for our quarterback's development. I look at slow Wick to oversee the entire offense , make good play calling and time clock management decisions throughout the game. It's up to the individual positional coaches to make sure the right player is at right spot.

If the offensive line had remained as good as last season and Stroud had not leveled out, I would be more open to Slowik developing.
 
steelbtexan said:
Read the whole post

Certain types of QB's get their failures blamed on coaching and other types of QB's get blamed inspite of poor coaching.
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I was asking what you were referring to in the part I quoted
 
JB said:
I was asking what you were referring to in the part I quoted
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It was just a comment about how the OC/QB relationships seem to be framed on this MB. Slo/CJ, Pep/Mills, BOB/Derrick

BTW, notice how Derrick fell off a cliff without BOB.
 
Slowik will be here next year unless another team hires him as HC and I don't think that's going to happen this year.

Fans are upset with him but everyone in the building likes him and believes in him.

I'm fine with going another year as well. It's a young staff with young players, growing pains are expected and there's definitely signs that he's got the right stuff.
 
steelbtexan said:
BTW, notice a trend, Derrick does well, then falls off and it's the OC's fault. Mills is saddled with Lovie, Pep and it's Mills fault. CJ comes in and does well then falls off and it's the OC's fault.
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steelbtexan said:
Certain types of QB's get their failures blamed on coaching and other types of QB's get blamed inspite of poor coaching.
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steelbtexan said:
It was just a comment about how the OC/QB relationships seem to be framed on this MB. Slo/CJ, Pep/Mills, BOB/Derrick
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I'm a little slow. You may have to be a little more explicit.

Are you saying folks around here are more lenient towards 1st round picked QBs than they are to 3rd round picks who never should have been drafted by this team? If so, why would that be sus?
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm a little slow. You may have to be a little more explicit.

Are you saying folks around here are more lenient towards 1st round picked QBs than they are to 3rd round picks who never should have been drafted by this team? If so, why would that be sus?
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You know exactly what I'm saying.
 
steelbtexan said:
Defenses have caught up with it.

Look at WCO teams, scoring is down. Even Shanny said he was going to have to make changes this offseason.
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Okay .... we can return to gap oriented - ground and pound schemes, but .... we'll have to return to one of those super-stud, all first round Offensive linemen - manned offensive lines .... and you know how - maintenance intensive they are ! You know we went that way in 2018 and went 11 & 5. The league is not headed that way, but those at the very top stay there. You think they know something we don't ?
 
justmy2cents said:
Okay .... we can return to gap oriented - ground and pound schemes, but .... we'll have to return to one of those super-stud, all first round Offensive linemen - manned offensive lines .... and you know how - maintenance intensive they are ! You know we went that way in 2018 and went 11 & 5. The league is not headed that way, but those at the very top stay there. You think they know something we don't ?
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Just because you don't go full on WCO doesn't mean you can't use a mix of zbs and gap schemes. The Rams do a lot of this.

This is the reason I'm advocating for picking Booker or Milum at 1-25. They can do a little bit of both.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just because you don't go full on WCO doesn't mean you can't use a mix of zbs and gap schemes. The Rams do a lot of this.

This is the reason I'm advocating for picking Booker or Milum at 1-25. They can do a little bit of both.
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Now that's more like it ! Booker-LG, Donovan Jackson-RG, Jake Majors-C . Fastest way to get this team & C J back on track !
 
steelbtexan said:
Truth hurts sometimes.
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I'll play.
  • From 2019 to 2021 Ken Dorsey was the Bills QB coach. During that time, Josh Allen averaged over 4000 passing yards, 30+ TDs and became one of the NFL's best QB.
  • Dorsey became the Bills OC in 2022 and Allen had another great year with 4283 yards, 35 TDs and 14 INTs.
  • In 2023, the Bills were 5-5. Allen had thrown 19 TDs and 13 INTs and they fired Dorsey
When you consider Dorsey's coaching in 2022, why do you think he was fired in 2023? How would you frame that OC/QB relationship?

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Earl34 said:
I'll play.
  • From 2019 to 2021 Ken Dorsey was the Bills QB coach. During that time, Josh Allen averaged over 4000 passing yards, 30+ TDs and became one of the NFL's best QB.
  • Dorsey became the Bills OC in 2022 and Allen had another great year with was 4206 yards, 35 TDs and 14 INTs.
  • In 2023, the Bills were 5-5. Allen had thrown 19 TDs and 13 INTs and they fired Dorsey
When you consider Dorsey's coaching in 2022, why do you think he was fired in 2023? How would you frame that OC/QB relationship?

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Got caught diddling the owner's wife ?
 
Earl34 said:
I'll play.
  • From 2019 to 2021 Ken Dorsey was the Bills QB coach. During that time, Josh Allen averaged over 4000 passing yards, 30+ TDs and became one of the NFL's best QB.
  • Dorsey became the Bills OC in 2022 and Allen had another great year with was 4206 yards, 35 TDs and 14 INTs.
  • In 2023, the Bills were 5-5. Allen had thrown 19 TDs and 13 INTs and they fired Dorsey
When you consider Dorsey's coaching in 2022, why do you think he was fired in 2023? How would you frame that OC/QB relationship?

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As an aside, Ken Dorsey is currently unemployed (recently fired by the Browns).

If we were going to get a new OC in 2025, I wouldn't mind kicking the tires.
 
thunderkyss said:
As an aside, Ken Dorsey is currently unemployed (recently fired by the Browns).

If we were going to get a new OC in 2025, I wouldn't mind kicking the tires.
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I'm not sure about Dorsey. Seems like a good QB coach but as an OC, he was fired from the Bills and Browns for some of the same issues we have with Slowik.

https://apnews.com/article/ken-dors...-coordinator-8807463491b24503fe8d7b1b7d667d6c

"Witnessing a troubling surge in turnovers and a worrisome drop in quarterback Josh Allen’s confidence provided Buffalo Bills coach Sean McDermott little choice but to fire offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey on Tuesday."

"Dorsey, however, had difficulty outlining his philosophy or pinpointing what was going wrong beyond blaming execution and attention to detail, while saying the blame falls on him. Too often, Allen looked hesitant in the pocket and the Bills offense lacked tempo to keep defenses off balance."

Turnovers have become an issue, with Allen throwing a league-high 11 interceptions, including at least one in a career-worst stretch of six straight outings. His career record dropped to 33-25 when committing a turnover, and 3-5 this season. Allen appeared to look more dejected after each loss
 
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TexansBull said:
Who would come in and do a better job than Slowik?

Josh McCown? Klint Kubiak?
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I'd personally only be interested in someone with experience.

Otherwise you're just making the same mistake. If you fire someone that's going through growing pains of being new to job...why then bring in someone who will be new to the job?

Look at Kubiak. Started the season **** hot and then it completely fell apart. Slowik started last season hot and then this season it's cooled off. Makes no sense to replace him to deal with the exact same problems.
 
As I've stated in other threads, I think the best thing that the Texans can do at this point is bring in better position coaches on offense and another older, established offensive mind to be an assistant HC to oversee and help Slowik with some of the shortcomings in his plays and schemes. Of course Kubes Sr. would be my first choice to do this, but realistically, I think he is enjoying retirement and watching his sons coach in the league. I don't know enough about old HCs that used to be OCs so I can't give you a name, but something in this mould would give me hope that next year's team won't have the offensive struggles this team can't seem to overcome.
 
Sweech said:
I'd personally only be interested in someone with experience.

Otherwise you're just making the same mistake. If you fire someone that's going through growing pains of being new to job...why then bring in someone who will be new to the job?

Look at Kubiak. Started the season **** hot and then it completely fell apart. Slowik started last season hot and then this season it's cooled off. Makes no sense to replace him to deal with the exact same problems.
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Doug Pederson is available. Worked under Andy Reid for a long time and won a Super Bowl without him. (I know you know this. I don’t know why I felt the need to type it.)
 
I’m interested in Doug Perderson. Yes he failed in Jax, but HC is different then OC. Plus, Jax is Jax. Bad org, bad ownership, and an overrated and overpaid QB. Peterson is Andy Reid’s sapling, and did some really good things in Philly as an OC.

Two possible ego driven things -

1 - is DeMeco threatened by a guy with recent HC experience? Probably not, but some guys don’t like that guy on the staff.
2 - is Peterson willing to give up the idea of being a HC for the near to medium term and be an OC again.

I personally give Slowik about a 70% chance of returning. I think Meco likes him, and is more likely then not to give him another year to turn it around. Note that’s not what I would do, but Meco is a very measured guy. He is more turning the Titanic, not a sports car.

But if Bobby is let go, DP is my number one choice right now IF Doug is available and interested in being an OC.
 
Porky said:
I personally give Slowik about a 70% chance of returning. I think Meco likes him, and is more likely then not to give him another year to turn it around. Note that’s not what I would do, but Meco is a very measured guy. He is more turning the Titanic, not a sports car.
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I think if Slowik stays it's because DeMeco still sees what he saw when he brought him in. DeMeco sees a lot of things we don't. The practices, the meetings... he actually gets to have a conversation with the guy where all we get is media filtered coach speak.

I don't have a preference either way. There's no guarantee the next guy is going to do any better than Slowik. Even if he comes in with a long track record of good offenses. I mean the odds would be in that guys favor, but we could just as easily be talking about the NFL passing that guy by. We've seen it with our defensive coordinators over the years, heck even Kubiak's offenses were being poo-pood on.

Again, I don't have a preference. I trust DeMeco.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think if Slowik stays it's because DeMeco still sees what he saw when he brought him in. DeMeco sees a lot of things we don't. The practices, the meetings... he actually gets to have a conversation with the guy where all we get is media filtered coach speak.

I don't have a preference either way. There's no guarantee the next guy is going to do any better than Slowik. Even if he comes in with a long track record of good offenses. I mean the odds would be in that guys favor, but we could just as easily be talking about the NFL passing that guy by. We've seen it with our defensive coordinators over the years, heck even Kubiak's offenses were being poo-pood on.

Again, I don't have a preference. I trust DeMeco.
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Unless Hannah (Cal won't) steps in, and forces a change ala Bob McNair when he forced Gary to hire Wade...which WAS the right call. Meddling owners can sometimes be right! But if she doesn't step in, I favor the idea of Bobby returning. Again, it's not what I would personally do. I'm just calling it how I see it. DeMeco is a very measured guy. He's not a snap-decision guy or a fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants guy. If he makes a change, he wants to know why and what the alternative is.
 
I don’t know. They put up a nothing burger in this playoff game and Slow might be on a flight out of Bush before the end of the Steelers/Ravens game.
 
I believe he has a very good football IQ and is on the verge of becoming a top rated OC. I’ve seen too may good calls go bad due to failure to execute the assigned task. We can go down the list of OL,WR Rb and TE that didn’t complete his part in the play. I agree some of his calls are not agressive dowfield plays and I think it will be fixed. I don’t want to be prepping him for a HC job but for the best OC in the league. I’ve seen too many teams put a new roof on the house that has termites in the foundation.
 
Porky said:
I’m interested in Doug Perderson. Yes he failed in Jax, but HC is different then OC. Plus, Jax is Jax. Bad org, bad ownership, and an overrated and overpaid QB. Peterson is Andy Reid’s sapling, and did some really good things in Philly as an OC.

Two possible ego driven things -

1 - is DeMeco threatened by a guy with recent HC experience? Probably not, but some guys don’t like that guy on the staff.
2 - is Peterson willing to give up the idea of being a HC for the near to medium term and be an OC again.

I personally give Slowik about a 70% chance of returning. I think Meco likes him, and is more likely then not to give him another year to turn it around. Note that’s not what I would do, but Meco is a very measured guy. He is more turning the Titanic, not a sports car.

But if Bobby is let go, DP is my number one choice right now IF Doug is available and interested in being an OC.
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Remind me what happened to the captain on that big ship?
 
Earl34 said:
To be honest. I really wanted Mills to start the last game and throw for 300 yards and 4 TDs. I just wanted to read the crazy posts from certain posters and lurkers. It would have been hilarious.
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I view Mills like this….he’s a smart guy and probably knows that leaving the Texans for another team as an UFA may not yield NFL results….at least as an NFL QB1. His bread is being buttered quite well here in Houston and gives him the best chance to remain on the NFL/Texans payroll. I’m fine with Mills remaining with the team as QB2.
 
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