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Will the Texans have a new OC in 2025?

Chris

Chris

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It is likely the Texans could move on from Bobby Slowik as OC. There are rumors that the Giants could possibly fire Brian Daboll and if that happens, would the Texans hire him as their new OC? This is his resume when he was the OC for the Bills
 

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Daboll has the New England (Caserio) and Alabama (DeMeco) connection. Plus he’s already gone through his growing pains as an NFL OC in Cleveland, Miami and KC before succeeding with Buffalo. Would be an ideal OC. Definitely a “1-2 year rental” type of hire who is just here until he gets another HC job.

But maybe his personality will run teams off from hiring him as HC? Like Spagnuolo in KC who has settled for DC after being passed over for HC one too many times.
 
Chris said:
It is likely the Texans could move on from Bobby Slowik as OC. There are rumors that the Giants could possibly fire Brian Daboll and if that happens, would the Texans hire him as their new OC? This is his resume when he was the OC for the Bills
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Damn good resume as OC with HC experience but we’d have to tear the offense all the way down again and rebuild, wouldn’t we? Don’t the Giants and Bills both run the EP offense? You know, the super complex offense that coaches (besides Bill Bellichic) themselves cant seem to teach or comprehend. If CJ and the rest of the offense are having trouble with the WCO I dont even want to imagine how terrible they’d be trying to run the EP offense.

Sorry for the super long “I’ll pass.”
 
Mangler said:
Damn good resume as OC with HC experience but we’d have to tear the offense all the way down again and rebuild, wouldn’t we? Don’t the Giants and Bills both run the EP offense? You know, the super complex offense that coaches (besides Bill Bellichic) themselves cant seem to teach or comprehend. If CJ and the rest of the offense are having trouble with the WCO I dont even want to imagine how terrible they’d be trying to run the EP offense.

Sorry for the super long “I’ll pass.”
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CJ's a genius level person when it comes to football, he told us this last yr after the S2 stuff. He can figure it out. If Allen can figure it out then CJ should be able to figure this offense out.
 
Mangler said:
Damn good resume as OC with HC experience but we’d have to tear the offense all the way down again and rebuild, wouldn’t we? Don’t the Giants and Bills both run the EP offense? You know, the super complex offense that coaches (besides Bill Bellichic) themselves cant seem to teach or comprehend. If CJ and the rest of the offense are having trouble with the WCO I dont even want to imagine how terrible they’d be trying to run the EP offense.

Sorry for the super long “I’ll pass.”
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What’s the worst that could happen? OL can’t pick up simple stunts? WRs are clogging up the middle of the field running in the same area?

All simple mistakes made by the “less complicated” offense now.
 
Why would the Giants move on from Daboll?

Is his offense kicking butt & he failed to develop a defense?
 
NFL play-calling systems. Three general systems. Seems like most players move between these with various degrees of effort.

West Coast system​

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In the West Coast system, all plays have code names. They indicate the specific formation and tell players where to line up. This code name is followed by modifiers that communicate variations on the play. For running plays, the modifier specifies the blocking scheme and the path that the primary ball carrier takes during the run, usually indicating which of nine numbered gaps, or holes, between offensive-line players he aims for in his run. For passing plays, the modifier indicates what pass route each player is supposed to take.[citation needed]

Examples
Here are some plays from one specific West Coast playbook, and what the names mean:[3]

  • Red Right 30 Pull Trap: "Red Right" specifies the pro set formation, with three receivers and two backs. The receivers include a split end to the left, a tight end, and a flanker to the right. The backs consist of a halfback and a fullback split two yards apart and two yards behind the quarterback. The fullback is lined up on the strong side (the side of the formation with the tight end) behind the right tackle, while the halfback is lined up behind the left tackle. In "30", the "3" specifies a toss play: The quarterback delivers the ball to the halfback with an underhanded toss. The "0" specifies the hole the halfback will run toward. (The "0-hole" is the gap between the center and right guard). "Pull trap" describes a blocking scheme: The backside guard (the one away from the flow of the play) will "pull" out from his normal position to "trap block", which means he leads the running back through the hole and blocks the linebacker back towards the backside of the play.
  • FB West Right Slot 372 Y Stick: "FB West Right Slot" is the formation. FB indicates that the fullback is playing out of his normal position. West Right indicates that the fullback would line up immediately to the right of, and one step back from, the tight end, who is lined up on the right. Slot indicates that the flanker, who usually plays on the same side as the tight end, but split wide, is instead lined up on the left, in the "slot" between the split end and left tackle. In "372", the "3" indicates that the quarterback will make a shorter, three-step drop rather than the standard five-step drop. The "7" is one of a numbered series of passing plays, all based around using the halfback to block on the weak side (away from the tight end). The "2" indicates a blocking scheme, giving each blocker his assignment. "Y Stick" describes the pass route to be run: the "Y" receiver (the tight end) will be the primary receiver and run a stick route: he will run forward, fading slightly towards the center of the field for six yards, and then depending on the coverage, he'll suddenly change course, breaking either back towards the quarterback or straight for the right sideline.
History
The West Coast system has its roots in the system devised by Paul Brown as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns and Cincinnati Bengals. It became known as the West Coast system when Brown's protege Bill Walsh used a similar scheme as head coach of the San Francisco 49ers during their success of the 1980s and 1990s. The West Coast system was designed alongside the West Coast offense, though it is not confined to that offense.

Coryell system​

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The heart of the system devised by Don Coryell is a three-digit number that gives assignments to each of three pass receivers; for instance, the split end, the tight end, and the flanker, in that order; or the leftmost receiver, middle receiver, and right receiver, in that order. Each digit is a code for one of nine passing routes the receiver is to run, based on a "route tree".[2][4] Some routes include a change of direction with which to throw off the defender covering the receiver. Through the route tree, the quarterback knows where each receiver will be and can quickly scan to see who is most open.

The nine numbered passing routes tell a receiver to run as follows when the ball is snapped:

  1. Flat route: Run straight toward the closest sideline.
  2. Slant route: Run at a 45° angle toward the center of the field.
  3. Hitch route or comeback: Run down the field then veer toward the sideline.
  4. Curl route or buttonhook: Run down the field then veer toward the middle of the field.
  5. Out route or jet: Run down the field and at a set point cut straight toward the sideline.
  6. Drag route or drag or in: Run down the field and at a set point cut straight toward the middle of the field.
  7. Corner route or flag: Run down the field and at a set point cut toward the sideline at a 45° angle.
  8. Post route: Run down the field and at a set point cut toward the middle of the field at a 45° angle.
  9. Fly route or go or streak: Run straight down the field as far as possible, parallel to the sideline.
The Coryell system is primarily concerned with efficiently devising pass plays, an important factor in the Air Coryell offense. It allows quick and unambiguous communication with each receiver on a passing play. However, if there are more than three receivers or more than 9 pass routes, or to assign a route to additional players, the system must be modified, as done in the West Coast system, reducing the efficiency advantage.[2] In such a modified system, the quarterback might call, "896 H-Shallow F-Curl", assigning numbered routes to the three receivers (the split end, the tight end, and the flanker), while "H-Shallow" and "F-Curl" refer to routes run by the halfback and fullback.

Erhardt–Perkins system​

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The above two approaches give specific assignments to key players. In contrast, the Erhardt–Perkins system is based on loose "concepts" that adapt to a variety of personnel packages and formations. Given a set of eleven players on offense and their initial formation, the quarterback gives the code name for a play concept that is to be run. Players do not simply learn to receive and execute their assignments; they learn the entire playbook and know what every player does on every play. A player can be lined up in a formation other than his usual one to exploit a mismatch with the defense. (For example, a strong and large tight end can be lined up against a smaller cornerback, or a speedy wide receiver matched with a slower linebacker.) The player must know what his task is in his new position. Every player aims to be interchangeable with every other player, as no player is tied to any one specific route or assignment on any play.

A typical Erhardt–Perkins concept assigns each player a task based on his initial location. For example, "Ghost" is a three-receiver concept: the outside receiver runs a vertical or fly route, the middle receiver runs an 8-yard out route, and the inside receiver runs a flat route. "Ghost" works in any personnel package or formation; it can be run with a five wide receiver set in a spread formation, or "base personnel" in the I formation where the fullback motions into the slot position.[2]

The Erhardt–Perkins system is more flexible than the other two systems. The play call is simple and brief. The team can use the remaining time on the play clock not to assign instructions but to study the defense and adapt its plan. The Erhardt–Perkins system works well with the no-huddle offense. The offense can run at a faster pace, getting more offensive plays in per game, conserving the time on the game clock, and keeping the defense on its heels.[2]

However, the Erhardt–Perkins system requires versatile and intelligent players. The same player may line up as a running back, tight end, or wide receiver on any given play, so players need adequate skills to play several positions. Erhardt–Perkins requires that players memorize the entire playbook. Each player must know every route in every concept, and be able to run each route depending on which position in the formation he occupies. Players who are successful under other play calling systems can become lost in the complexities of Erhardt–Perkins.[5] In 2015, 14-year NFL veteran wide receiver Reggie Wayne asked to be released from the New England Patriots after only 2 pre-season games. It was reported that Wayne thought that the playbook was too complicated to learn.[6]

The Erhardt–Perkins system was developed by Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins, two assistant coaches who worked under Chuck Fairbanks for the Patriots during the 1970s. The system was later implemented by the New York Giants in 1982 when Perkins was hired as their head coach, and Erhardt as his offensive coordinator. A third coach who followed Perkins and Erhardt from the Patriots to the Giants was defensive assistant Bill Parcells, who succeeded Perkins as head coach. Being primarily a defensive coach, Parcells retained Erhardt as his offensive coordinator and let him continue to use the Erhardt–Perkins offense and its play calling system. The system was disseminated through the league by various members of the Parcells coaching tree, and is used effectively by former Patriots head coach Bill Belichick.
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Mangler said:
Damn good resume as OC with HC experience but we’d have to tear the offense all the way down again and rebuild, wouldn’t we? Don’t the Giants and Bills both run the EP offense? You know, the super complex offense that coaches (besides Bill Bellichic) themselves cant seem to teach or comprehend. If CJ and the rest of the offense are having trouble with the WCO I dont even want to imagine how terrible they’d be trying to run the EP offense.

Sorry for the super long “I’ll pass.”
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TBH, I think Bill Belichick is a master of fundamentals and the rules but I'm not sure he's a mastermind of the EP offense. With the Browns he didn't have an official OC but running backs coach Steve Crosby ran the offense. With the Patriots, he had Charlie Weis (learned from Erhardt), Josh McDaniels (learned from Weis) and B'OB (learned from McDaniels). I'll pass on any EP system.
 
Does anyone run the Air Coryell system anymore? That one seems like a nice blend between the WC and the EC. I remember those old Chargers teams under his leadership. That was at a time (late 70's) where the running game was still king, and his teams were slinging the ball around the yard, and successfully so. However, IIRC, in the playoffs, they failed because their run game wasn't that good.

I'd be reticent to go back to a true EP system. Make things simple so guys don't have to think...they just do. So, for me, that's not McDaniels. Plus he is a total asshat. I"d keep Bobby before I hire Josh.

I would prefer keeping the basic WC theme in place, but get someone who can get the most out of the guys and can call a better and more creative game.
 
Porky said:
Does anyone run the Air Coryell system anymore? That one seems like a nice blend between the WC and the EC. I remember those old Chargers teams under his leadership. That was at a time (late 70's) where the running game was still king, and his teams were slinging the ball around the yard, and successfully so. However, IIRC, in the playoffs, they failed because their run game wasn't that good.

I'd be reticent to go back to a true EP system. Make things simple so guys don't have to think...they just do. So, for me, that's not McDaniels. Plus he is a total asshat. I"d keep Bobby before I hire Josh.

I would prefer keeping the basic WC theme in place, but get someone who can get the most out of the guys and can call a better and more creative game.
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We need one of them Kubiak boys to come down to Kirby.
 
Porky said:
Does anyone run the Air Coryell system anymore? That one seems like a nice blend between the WC and the EC. I remember those old Chargers teams under his leadership. That was at a time (late 70's) where the running game was still king, and his teams were slinging the ball around the yard, and successfully so. However, IIRC, in the playoffs, they failed because their run game wasn't that good.

I'd be reticent to go back to a true EP system. Make things simple so guys don't have to think...they just do. So, for me, that's not McDaniels. Plus he is a total asshat. I"d keep Bobby before I hire Josh.

I would prefer keeping the basic WC theme in place, but get someone who can get the most out of the guys and can call a better and more creative game.
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Since it is the play-calling system and not the style of offense it is difficult to say. Does anyone know what Ben Johnson uses? I mean he is not directly from West Coast system and I think he was initially hired by the likes of Jim Bob Cooter/Darrell Bevell.
 
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Who Could the Houston Texans Look at as Their New Offensive Coordinator

A list of candidates should the Texans make a change at OC
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Who Could the Houston Texans Look at as Their New Offensive Coordinator
A list of candidates should the Texans make a change at OC

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Below is a list of possible offensive coordinators for the Houston Texans should they decide to make a change after the season and fire Bobby Slowik.

The Texans should make a change at offensive coordinator. The offense’s inability to operate is this team's biggest story and issue in 2024. It has held them back from reaching their potential as a team.

It’s unimaginative, stale, and ineffective.

There are excuses to make for Slowik. The offensive line has played poorly. The injuries piled up on offense. The depth was nonexistent.

Some changes wouldn’t do it for me. The defense was solid and they still changed a lot from the last season. Overhauling an underperforming offense should be a priority.

You will not find current NFL offensive coordinators on this list unless I believe they are not being retained at their current jobs. Teams don’t have to let their coordinators leave for a lateral job and I assume any team would block the interview request. Trading for a coordinator is asinine.

The list includes offensive staff members across the NFL, coaches who might be fired, and college coaches. Some have a lot of experience and some lack experience. Some of them have been in charge of play-calling duties and some have not. I cast a wide net in putting names on this list.

It should serve as a starting point to get the juices flowing in what you might want the Texans to chase as an offensive coordinator. I believe there are worthy candidates up and down this list.

They are not organized in any particular order. My favorites are at the end.

Jerrod Johnson

Houston Texans Quarterback Coach

It was quite the coup when the Texans were able to retain Bobby Slowik and Johnson this past offseason. Johnson interviewed for a variety of offensive coordinator jobs but stuck with the Texans. The succession seemed clear if Slowik was excellent and a head coach candidate after 2024 Johnson could step right in. Instead, the 2024 season has gone awry and now Johnson’s stock has dipped.

I can’t imagine sticking with Johnson would be on the table if the Texans were firing Slowik. If they thought he could do the job, why not make the change mid-year? He’s never called plays in the NFL. Stroud, despite an excellent 2023, has seemingly regressed under his watch. Johnson has been coaching for a few years and played quarterback in the NFL. He merits consideration due to familiarity and the potential that while seemingly not present in 2024 is still there.

Josh McCown

Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach

McCown was almost the head coach of the Houston Texans, twice, and I have to imagine he would have called the plays as well had Houston made that decision. He finally got into coaching in 2023 where he was the quarterbacks coach on a disappointing Carolina Panthers staff. He was fired midseason.

His 2024 season has been much better as the quarterback coach for Sam Darnold and the Vikings. Darnold has been excellent for the Vikings this season and I have to imagine there was some excitement to have McCown coach up their top pick J.J. McCarthy as well.

It’s a lighter resume than most from an actual coaching standpoint but McCown, as with his weird candidacy to be a head coach in Houston, can stand on his numerous years of quarterback experience. He hasn’t called plays at the NFL level as a coach, which is a knock but not an unforgivable absence on his short resume.

Nick Caley

Los Angeles Rams Tight Ends Coach/Pass Game
 
Mangler said:
We need one of them Kubiak boys to come down to Kirby.
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This ^. I actually think his son Klint Kubiak could be on his way out after the Saints HC being fired. So maybe Gary could be a close advisor to his son in a 2-for-1 package.
 
Porky said:
Does anyone run the Air Coryell system anymore? That one seems like a nice blend between the WC and the EC. I remember those old Chargers teams under his leadership. That was at a time (late 70's) where the running game was still king, and his teams were slinging the ball around the yard, and successfully so. However, IIRC, in the playoffs, they failed because their run game wasn't that good.

I'd be reticent to go back to a true EP system. Make things simple so guys don't have to think...they just do. So, for me, that's not McDaniels. Plus he is a total asshat. I"d keep Bobby before I hire Josh.

I would prefer keeping the basic WC theme in place, but get someone who can get the most out of the guys and can call a better and more creative game.
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I've said before, Air Coryell is my offense. Is there a WR in the draft that would fit? I believe I've read here that this is a weak draft at WR?
 
Number19 said:
I've said before, Air Coryell is my offense. Is there a WR in the draft that would fit? I believe I've read here that this is a weak draft at WR?
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I remember watching Jackie Kemp and then John Hadl both throwing it over 50 times a lot of games .... they were a blast to watch. I think they came into the league when I was in Jr. High. I was the QB in the early days .... loved to throw it, so I watched them whenever they were on .... what a blast !
 
Chris said:
There are rumors that the Giants could possibly fire Brian Daboll and if that happens, would the Texans hire him as their new OC?
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I doubt anyone could come up with an offensive coordinator candidate I would be more opposed to than Brian Daboll. First, let's look at his record. Daboll's pass offenses have been bottom 10 in 9 of his 11 seasons as HC or OC. Scoring offense have been bottom 10 during 7 of those 11 seasons. That's a resume that is better than Bobby Slowik's?

Then there's Daboll's temperament. His tantrums are not compatible with the Texans culture. No energy vampires allowed on Kirby.

Two years with Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs doesn't cover up a near decade of mediocrity. Absolutely no to Brian Daboll as Texans anything, much less OC.
 
Lucky said:
I doubt anyone could come up with an offensive coordinator candidate I would be more opposed to than Brian Daboll. First, let's look at his record. Daboll's pass offenses have been bottom 10 in 9 of his 11 seasons as HC or OC. Scoring offense have been bottom 10 during 7 of those 11 seasons. That's a resume that is better than Bobby Slowik's?

Then there's Daboll's temperament. His tantrums are not compatible with the Texans culture. No energy vampires allowed on Kirby.

Two years with Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs doesn't cover up a near decade of mediocrity. Absolutely no to Brian Daboll as Texans anything, much less OC.
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I didn't realize this.

I also would be good with giving LaFluer's brother another shot. I dont hold his 1st stint with Wilson and a poor OL against him.
 
Lucky said:
I doubt anyone could come up with an offensive coordinator candidate I would be more opposed to than Brian Daboll. First, let's look at his record. Daboll's pass offenses have been bottom 10 in 9 of his 11 seasons as HC or OC. Scoring offense have been bottom 10 during 7 of those 11 seasons. That's a resume that is better than Bobby Slowik's?

Then there's Daboll's temperament. His tantrums are not compatible with the Texans culture. No energy vampires allowed on Kirby.

Two years with Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs doesn't cover up a near decade of mediocrity. Absolutely no to Brian Daboll as Texans anything, much less OC.
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I didn’t know that. I still would be against the EP offense, so I pass on Daboll nonetheless.
 
Lucky said:
I doubt anyone could come up with an offensive coordinator candidate I would be more opposed to than Brian Daboll. First, let's look at his record. Daboll's pass offenses have been bottom 10 in 9 of his 11 seasons as HC or OC. Scoring offense have been bottom 10 during 7 of those 11 seasons. That's a resume that is better than Bobby Slowik's?

Then there's Daboll's temperament. His tantrums are not compatible with the Texans culture. No energy vampires allowed on Kirby.

Two years with Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs doesn't cover up a near decade of mediocrity. Absolutely no to Brian Daboll as Texans anything, much less OC.
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To be fair though, outside of Allen and the Bills, he hasn't had much to work with. Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy in Cleveland, Matt Moore in Miami, Quinn again and Matt Cassel in KC, and then Daniel Jones and the crap the Giants have thrown out there the last couple of seasons.
 
justmy2cents said:
I do, and without shame .... when it is properly run ..... to me, it is a thing of beauty !
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Defenses have caught up with it.

Look at WCO teams, scoring is down. Even Shanny said he was going to have to make changes this offseason.
 
No, it would be a shame if the Jets don't see what DeMeco did two years ago
 
Hopefully you're all wrong.... Hopefully Slowick has been playing the long game..... he has been playing Mohammed Ali the whole season.... and unleashes his REAL plan while everyone is expecting Slow.... the Chargers get knocked out of the playoffs and then the Texans go on to domin...:lol: I was so close....

I honestly don't believe it happens but only way this playoff appearance resembles anything of substance is if they've all been faking us all out. I hope its the case and the undeniable genius of Slow and the era of Strouds legacy begins now.... but......
 
KA4Texan said:
Hopefully you're all wrong.... Hopefully Slowick has been playing the long game...
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I'm not saying this is the case. I don't know. But remember when Baby Shanny was here with Lafluer? Wouldn't it have been nice if they were here all along & groomed to take over from Kubiak?

I'm not seeing Slowik that way, but that's why DeMeco brought him. He knew there would be a learning curve & some bumps in the road. I've been saying it's hard to tell what is Bobby Slowik & what is Cj S2roud. The good & the bad gets filtered through what Cj does & doesn't do on the field. Cj hasn't been the guy we think he can be, for good reasons, no doubt.

But I hope Cj starts having fun again & start playing the way we know he can. & for me it just happens to be Slowik. I don't know him, DeMeco brought him. It could be Jerrod Johnson for all I care, but I want one guy here for a large part of Cj's developmental years to grow with him.

I don't want him to have to learn a new system & be in QB limbo like Herbert's has been for the last couple of years.
 
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