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Who Should we Get in the Draft?
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If we get a DB (maybe Samuel or Clements) and LB (maybe Briggs or Thomas) in FA, then I think we need to focus on the O-line and D-line in the draft. Both lines right now are very thin due to injuries and I doubt Wiegert or Payne will be returning. Also, the ages of some (McKinney, Flanagan, Salaam) on the O-line are a real concern. If Joe Thomas is still on the board when the Texans pick, I think we need to get him. Then we can go after DT in the 2nd round.
If we can't get a good DB in FA, then maybe I can see going for one in the 1st round of the draft. But, in my opinion we have to get OL and DL after that.
What ever happens it will be interesting to see how it plays out
and I'll be keeping an eye on things (FA market and draft picks etc...).
I still think we are about 2 years away from being a really good team. We have too many holes to fill in just 1 more FA/draft. JMHO!
If we can't get a good DB in FA, then maybe I can see going for one in the 1st round of the draft. But, in my opinion we have to get OL and DL after that.
What ever happens it will be interesting to see how it plays out
and I'll be keeping an eye on things (FA market and draft picks etc...).I still think we are about 2 years away from being a really good team. We have too many holes to fill in just 1 more FA/draft. JMHO!
painekiller
All Pro
IN the 1st I could see us going with Landry FS, Posluszny LB, Branch DT, Hall, CB. Depending on where we pick and how they team ranks these guys.
2nd Take out the position taken before and take the highest ranked guy. Oh you may have to add Leonard here, or maybe Bush.
3rd, Leonard is looking to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick. So if he falls to our 3rd you may need to jump on him. Otherwise LB or DB depending on what was taken before.
2nd day guys, you have to look at BPA at the positions of needs. Also Datish OC may fall to here and he can be an anchor for the OL for years.
Also do not get caught up in the drafting of kickers/punters, Go get UDFA after the draft. But we need to bring in some real competition at those positions.
One point needs to be done, sadly this upcoming draft is shaking out to not be nearly as deep as the last one. So hitting on ever pick is not as likely.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
LaRon Landry or Michael Griffin.
and
Tony Taylor or Paul Posluzney.
and
Tony Taylor or Paul Posluzney.
Mysteryhunt
Waterboy
I could not agree more!
bah007
Hall of Fame
I dont see Datish falling below mid-2nd. Most people have him as the best C in the draft.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Right now, if everything went as YoungTexanFan would have it:
FA:
Clements
Briggs
Draft...assuming we will have pick number 8 for this guess:
1. Gaither
2. McCauley to move to FS
3. Lenord
This is where it's hard to predict right now. From the second day, I'd like to come away with a raw, mean, but talented D-linemen; a center who is better than Hodgen; and the P from Baylor or the best PK available.
FA:
Clements
Briggs
Draft...assuming we will have pick number 8 for this guess:
1. Gaither
2. McCauley to move to FS
3. Lenord
This is where it's hard to predict right now. From the second day, I'd like to come away with a raw, mean, but talented D-linemen; a center who is better than Hodgen; and the P from Baylor or the best PK available.
canadiantexan
Waterboy
My wish list.
FREE AGENTS
Alex Briggs-LB, Chicago(FA)
Asante Samuel-CB, New England(FA) only because Clements will cost too much for my liking
DRAFT
RD.1) Leon Hall-CB, Michigan (RD.1) or Landry-FS, LSU
RD.2) Merriweather-FS Miami(RD.2) or top CB if Landry in first
RD.3-RD.4) BPA of following positions. Offensive line, Running back, Linebacker
RD.5-RD.7) BPA
Just my
FREE AGENTS
Alex Briggs-LB, Chicago(FA)
Asante Samuel-CB, New England(FA) only because Clements will cost too much for my liking
DRAFT
RD.1) Leon Hall-CB, Michigan (RD.1) or Landry-FS, LSU
RD.2) Merriweather-FS Miami(RD.2) or top CB if Landry in first
RD.3-RD.4) BPA of following positions. Offensive line, Running back, Linebacker
RD.5-RD.7) BPA
Just my
bah007
Hall of Fame
My wish list.
FREE AGENTS
Alex Briggs-LB, Chicago(FA)
Asante Samuel-CB, New England(FA) only because Clements will cost too much for my liking
DRAFT
RD.1) Leon Hall-CB, Michigan (RD.1) or Landry-FS, LSU
RD.2) Merriweather-FS Miami(RD.2) or top CB if Landry in first
RD.3-RD.4) BPA of following positions. Offensive line, Running back, Linebacker
RD.5-RD.7) BPA
Just my
(Lance) Briggs. Not Alex.
canadiantexan
Waterboy
Thanks one of my best friends is named Alex Briggs must of had a mind fart.
canadiantexan
Waterboy
It's only November please dont burst my bubble yet.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Rosenhaus is the king of that.
He is the biggest ***** in the history of sports agents but he gets his guys the money.
I really think Kubiak might go DLine again with his top pick.
Remember, they almost always don't draft high, certainly not real high, on
OLineman. Even tackles.
And as important as corners and LBs are, usually don't want to go top 5 (which is where we may be) on one of those players.
The real sleeper would be Adrian Peterson. Kubiak of course doesn't like to
draft high on backs (for refererecne see 2006 Draft). But the old man, Bob McNair, may say I've got to put some butts in the seats in 2007 and I need
a bigtime running back, a Texas native to do that this year.
Remember, they almost always don't draft high, certainly not real high, on
OLineman. Even tackles.
And as important as corners and LBs are, usually don't want to go top 5 (which is where we may be) on one of those players.
The real sleeper would be Adrian Peterson. Kubiak of course doesn't like to
draft high on backs (for refererecne see 2006 Draft). But the old man, Bob McNair, may say I've got to put some butts in the seats in 2007 and I need
a bigtime running back, a Texas native to do that this year.
painekiller
All Pro
He is being ranked by thehuddlereport as #113, a mid 3rd rounder. I said he could drop, realistically 15 spots, to the 4th round. Eric Winston ranked before the draft by most sites as the 33rd best player was not taken until #67. Saying a guy might drop half a round is not out of line.
Also Draftdaddy.com has him ranked as the 4th best senior center. But that is only 2 sources. Remember the best center in the draft often falls to the 2nd round, it is just NFL economics.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Thats an interesting point you make about McNair wanting Peterson. But I also think he is going to allow Kubiak to make his own decision especially after the Draft we had this year.
I think we need to establish his zone blocking scheme with players who can execute it correctly before we get any high priced RB. Just think how bad Reggie would have been mauled running behind our O-line this season. Both of his legs would be broken and he'd have 10 broken ribs.
I realy like B.Leonard of Rutgers!!He would be a perfect FB in our system.
?Anyone have a good idea when he's projected to go?
Lenord is looking at probally a 3rd-4th round grade. He is the best FB within the last 4-5 years, and he just happens to be in a very deep draft.
painekiller
All Pro
I've could see Leonard rising to the late 2nd, but most sites have him as a solid 3rd round pick.
I am wondering where you have heard this is a deep draft? The talent available this (2007) year is nowhere near last years draft. Last year guys taken in the late 2nd would be 1st rounder this year.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
OMG YTF plz stop sayin Lenord...My last name is Leonard, I have to say something.
As for his grade I'd say he is a early 3rd now...probably will rise to 2nd after the combine and depending on how he does in their bowl game.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
lol, sorry man. Spelling has never been my strong point. What I pride myself on is knowledge of the players, not how to spell their names.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
This is a deep draft. The first round this year is very stocked which pushes a lot of guys down, and there are a lot of guys with second round grades who will be pushed to the later rounds this year as well. This is assuming most of the top JRs declare.
Texian
Hall of Fame
YTF your knowledge is mostly opinion and everyone has one of them. Some are stronger than others. Opinions do not make us knowledgeable. However one's ability to spell is a good indicator on how knowledgeable or less knowledgeable one might be.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
LOL, so true, so true...
It's like the old saying, opinions are like ........s, everyone has one... LOL
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I do input opinion a lot, but I don't just pull an opinion out of my arse. I look at it in regards to our team and I study the prospects A LOT. I usually have a page long scouting report on every player through the 4th round or so and a half page on the rest. What I post also comes from watching hours of that film and disecting it. I also post based on stats, schemes, projections by professionals. Saying I post opinion is true to an extent, but ignorant to say that is all.
Some people are able to guess at last names and get them right without looking them up on ESPN or the like, I however, am not one of those select few. I guess and assume the majority of our posters aren't smarta**es like you can will understand the overall point of the post rather than selecting a choice word that happens to be a last name.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
YTF is usually spot on in my book. He's pretty close most of the time. The spell/typing police would have locked me up long ago. I could make a list of people who were inordinalty bad spellers but very intellegent . Rote memory is nothing to be proud of with out the ablity to think. Innuendo and assumption have already marked you for what you are Texian...a man without an argunemt. Need to have a little more in the bag to snag YTF.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
If we could'nt add our opinion ... this would'nt be much of a board .
My wish list.
FREE AGENTS
Alex Briggs-LB, Chicago(FA)
Asante Samuel-CB, New England(FA) only because Clements will cost too much for my liking
DRAFT
RD.1) Leon Hall-CB, Michigan (RD.1) or Landry-FS, LSU
RD.2) Merriweather-FS Miami(RD.2) or top CB if Landry in first
RD.3-RD.4) BPA of following positions. Offensive line, Running back, Linebacker
RD.5-RD.7) BPA
Just my
Although both of these sound good. Ive got to say your both dreaming. There is no way we could fit the FA's you have us taking and our draft picks under the cap.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I think we should do what we should've done this past year. Trade the pick down.
Right now your The Houston Texans who perhaps messed up by not getting Vince for your fans. If we traded down and got more for our pick, people would've loved what we did in terms of making the team better and we could've avoided the controversy.
This year Peterson might very well be within our grasp and if you don't get that pick it will be even worse this year.
Trading down though, gets you the opportunity to copy what The Jets did and get two offensive lineman which sends the message that once and for all we are going to fix this lineman thing. Or you end up getting more first day picks and that can help us with the depth we need to make this team better.
Right now your The Houston Texans who perhaps messed up by not getting Vince for your fans. If we traded down and got more for our pick, people would've loved what we did in terms of making the team better and we could've avoided the controversy.
This year Peterson might very well be within our grasp and if you don't get that pick it will be even worse this year.
Trading down though, gets you the opportunity to copy what The Jets did and get two offensive lineman which sends the message that once and for all we are going to fix this lineman thing. Or you end up getting more first day picks and that can help us with the depth we need to make this team better.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
FWIW ... The Great Blue North Draft Report has us drafting Branch DT Michican with the 7th pick .
beerlover
Hall of Fame
How many more years will the Texans be held captive for trying to help David Carr become worthy of that #1 overall pick? is it a franchise LT this year (Thomas)? is it a franchise RB (Peterson)? a new offensive scheme (never mind trying that)?
Since nobody (even Kubiak) has a crystal ball we need to stay the course & complete the defense work first, the groundwork has been planted this past draft its time to finish what already is becoming the strength of the Texans. As some like to say it needs to be a football deceision & whats in the best interest of the team not one individual.
If the Texans finish the job they would net two more playmakers at minimum (looking for db, lb & dl) possibly more via fa. one spot should remain reserved for OL & RB but beyond that a DE like Gains Adams (if he slips that far) or DT Amobi Okoye in the 1st (9th-10th) best possible CB in the second Ryan Smith, Florida or FS Jonathan Hefney Tennessee (both Juniors have not declared yet). 3rd rd. OT Joe Staley, Central Michigan or RB Dwayne Wright, Fresno State (has declared). 4th rd you could start projecting tweeners like OLB to DE or vise versa like Michigan OLB Prescott Burgess, doubt Kevin Kolb slips out of the 2nd rd. but in a situation like him if available here would be the kind of steal you'd be foolish not to jump on.
just an assortment of options from a real assistant amature prospectass
Since nobody (even Kubiak) has a crystal ball we need to stay the course & complete the defense work first, the groundwork has been planted this past draft its time to finish what already is becoming the strength of the Texans. As some like to say it needs to be a football deceision & whats in the best interest of the team not one individual.
If the Texans finish the job they would net two more playmakers at minimum (looking for db, lb & dl) possibly more via fa. one spot should remain reserved for OL & RB but beyond that a DE like Gains Adams (if he slips that far) or DT Amobi Okoye in the 1st (9th-10th) best possible CB in the second Ryan Smith, Florida or FS Jonathan Hefney Tennessee (both Juniors have not declared yet). 3rd rd. OT Joe Staley, Central Michigan or RB Dwayne Wright, Fresno State (has declared). 4th rd you could start projecting tweeners like OLB to DE or vise versa like Michigan OLB Prescott Burgess, doubt Kevin Kolb slips out of the 2nd rd. but in a situation like him if available here would be the kind of steal you'd be foolish not to jump on.
just an assortment of options from a real assistant amature prospectass
texansguyinpa
Practice Squad
someone said to draft a someone for the secondary, but getting a rookie corner or safty wont solve any of our short-term problems, we should go out and get a guy like micheal lewis of the eagles cause he wont be returning, in the draft i think we should probably start off by getting a running back adrian peterson. I think we should probably get a LT from FA signing, I dont think we should take kevin colb in the 3rd round but we should take a guy like Joe Riscati from James Madison or luc richard from tulane, a sleeper guy like that so we can see if we can groom him into a starter. Another possible situation is to trade to the vikings to get Travaris Jackson, hes a great athlete and should develop into a great player.
painekiller
All Pro
Can you name the guy that might be available that would be your LT? We have been waiting for that guy for 5 years. In the NFL you just do not find a good to great LT going FA. You find Todd Wade and Victor Riley as your options.
Sorry to jump you, but this argument has gotten very old and has been disproven.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Ok, I have returned and have come up with a somewhat new stratagy.
In FA, I want us to Focus in on Clements. I really feel that CB is harder for a rookie to play than LB, see Meco for example. I feel we can get a good OLB in the draft without using a first rounder. I don't feel we can get a starting CB outside of the first round. Thus is the nature of the NFL now. I think we should look at someone like Sands at DT, but not over-invest.
Draft:
After reviewing our needs, it's obvious to see our glaring hole at LT and in general our O-line, but when we review Kubiak and his prior choices, we find that he is not prone to taking O-line early. He is selective in his choices, and I'm hoping Gaither waits a year as he should so we can do as Beerlover said and finish our defense this offseason.
1st round: Trade down to about 12-15 and draft either Nelson (prefered) or Landry, whichever is available. In this trade down I'd be looking to pick up an extra second this year and next.
2nd round: This is where we should look at OLBs. We should have an excellent crop to chose from at this point. Earl Everett, Dan Conor, Rufus Alexander and a few others to pick from. I think any one of these guys can step in and play well next to Meco. I think Alexander and Rufus are more ready than Everett, but Everett has huge speed.
2nd round: This is where it gets fun. I really feel we need to go interior O-line at this point. OC or OG. I like Blaylock and Tubbs at OG, and maybe Datish but this may be too high for him yet. I think we need to upgrade this area. Another area to look at here is DT with maybe Pitcock from OSU or someone similar.
3rd round: I really feel that the Rutgers FB Leonard is a great fit with our scheme and is the best FB in the nation as well. He can be moved around and is an actual threat to catch the ball. He is an awesome blocker who can hopefully spring our running game with the help of some interior line help.
4th round: Here is where I believe we look at a QB with good measurables but the best poise/pocket presence. Kolb comes to mind, but he will need time. I like him though here.
This offseason should help us out tremendously. We basicly finish up our defense with Clements, a young OLB, and a top notch FS, and maybe even a DT FA pickup or second round option. We shore up our interior O-line, and we get the best blocking FB in the nation who happens to be able to catch and run the ball very well. Leonard should help spring our late round RB for a few TDs. On that note, I'd like to see us address RB in the later rounds, but I want a speed back. I want someone who is underrated but just produces. Maybe a Garrett Wolfe. We draft a poised QB second day and make him sit a year while Carr takes the beating while our rookie O-linemen develops and we build our o-line and our scheme all comes together.
In FA, I want us to Focus in on Clements. I really feel that CB is harder for a rookie to play than LB, see Meco for example. I feel we can get a good OLB in the draft without using a first rounder. I don't feel we can get a starting CB outside of the first round. Thus is the nature of the NFL now. I think we should look at someone like Sands at DT, but not over-invest.
Draft:
After reviewing our needs, it's obvious to see our glaring hole at LT and in general our O-line, but when we review Kubiak and his prior choices, we find that he is not prone to taking O-line early. He is selective in his choices, and I'm hoping Gaither waits a year as he should so we can do as Beerlover said and finish our defense this offseason.
1st round: Trade down to about 12-15 and draft either Nelson (prefered) or Landry, whichever is available. In this trade down I'd be looking to pick up an extra second this year and next.
2nd round: This is where we should look at OLBs. We should have an excellent crop to chose from at this point. Earl Everett, Dan Conor, Rufus Alexander and a few others to pick from. I think any one of these guys can step in and play well next to Meco. I think Alexander and Rufus are more ready than Everett, but Everett has huge speed.
2nd round: This is where it gets fun. I really feel we need to go interior O-line at this point. OC or OG. I like Blaylock and Tubbs at OG, and maybe Datish but this may be too high for him yet. I think we need to upgrade this area. Another area to look at here is DT with maybe Pitcock from OSU or someone similar.
3rd round: I really feel that the Rutgers FB Leonard is a great fit with our scheme and is the best FB in the nation as well. He can be moved around and is an actual threat to catch the ball. He is an awesome blocker who can hopefully spring our running game with the help of some interior line help.
4th round: Here is where I believe we look at a QB with good measurables but the best poise/pocket presence. Kolb comes to mind, but he will need time. I like him though here.
This offseason should help us out tremendously. We basicly finish up our defense with Clements, a young OLB, and a top notch FS, and maybe even a DT FA pickup or second round option. We shore up our interior O-line, and we get the best blocking FB in the nation who happens to be able to catch and run the ball very well. Leonard should help spring our late round RB for a few TDs. On that note, I'd like to see us address RB in the later rounds, but I want a speed back. I want someone who is underrated but just produces. Maybe a Garrett Wolfe. We draft a poised QB second day and make him sit a year while Carr takes the beating while our rookie O-linemen develops and we build our o-line and our scheme all comes together.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Much appreciated. I'm glad to see I'm not writting in vain and that others value my imput. Rep your way.
I really feal that Clements will be to expensive for us but I hope im wrong.
In round two you said "I think Alexander and Rufus are more ready than Everett, but Everett has huge speed" Just wondering if you meant Rufus Alexander and Dan Conor were better than Everett.
I agree with you pick for pick in the first four rounds.
I would like to add what I would do in the last three rounds
Round 5 speed RB just like you said
Round 6 Daniel Sepulveda aka baylor's punter
Round 7 Nick Folk K Arizona
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I think Clements will be very expensive, but the Texans FO shouldn't care. This is a fairly young, pro-bolw CB who wants a new place. We are on the rise with some good additions like him, and I don't mind overpaying for a young stud.
I did mean Conor and Alexander. Thanks for catching that.
The speed back is the way to go w/RB for us IMO. Dayne/Lundy/Gado/Taylor aren't gonig to break one off. I really like Wolfe though for our system and he could fall because of his size.
It would be tough for me to pick a P in the 6th when there is an excellent chance he goes UDFA. I don't mind taking a K late, but I don't honestly know much about Folk. I'd probally take the best K available in the 7th and draft another interior linemen on either side in the 6th. Someone who just produced in college but got overlooked because of one reason or another.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The Texans are set to be about $21 mil under the cap going into the off-season. There are 13-15 FA's not included in that but none are that expensive--Peek may be the most expensive. This year the franchise tag number for CB's is a little under $6 mil. The Texans have the money to sign Clements if they want him.
I know that we have alot of cap room but I think a team that thinks they are one player away from a super bowl will pay more for him than I am willing to pay.
I really really dont want to miss out on the P from Baylor even if we have to reach for him. One of our biggest needs is a punter who can kick the ball sixty pluss yards he is it and we can get him very late in the draft. I seriously hope we dont miss out on this kid.
Our history in FA has not been to good.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think that is the case with most teams. What you get for what you pay is usually very expensive. There are a few exceptions ie: Brees but they are few and far between.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I know they get overpaid, and I know Clements is basicly looking for a big day, but I feel he is worth it. He is young and in his prime and is better than any CB in the draft and would also provide a solid veteren leader opposite of D-Rob. He would set the tone for our entire secondary. Now just adding a Reggie Nelson type FS is all we need for our secondary.
painekiller
All Pro
Keith from HoustonProFootball.com has the team closer to $14.5M due to dead money. If the team takes larger charge offs this year than has been announced then they maybe able to reach the $20M+ you suggest.
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6846
painekiller
All Pro
I agree, a Nelson/Landry added to a backfield of Clements Robinson Earl. And if the team gets lucky and a Amobi Okoye type falls to them in the second. You would be one SAM LB away from having a very good defense.
Not sure of the cost, but another FA DT we should look at is Terdell Sands OAK.