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Who do you want as the new OC?

Who do people want as the new OC?

These are some names I’ve heard thrown around:

  • Jerrod Johnson
  • Chip Kelly
  • Nick Caley
  • Josh McCown
What do you like about these candidates? Anyone else you’d want to consider?
 
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God is Good part 2. Strausser and Slowik fired. Everything i asked for. Now, who do we hire for OC? I think the top 2 candidates is Klint Kubiak and Chip Kelly. Now as a Buckeye fan and am beyond happy with the championship. I wasn't happy when we brought Chip in. I was thinking about how he got fired from the NFL like a few times. His tactics he uses in college doesnt work in the NFL. He's a college coach and he should stay there. I think Klint will probably be the way to go i gotta look into him more. Plus he's from Houston.
 
TexansBull said:
Why not interview potential people with Stroud?

Stroud shouldn’t decide but he should his opinion heard.

Doug Peterson, Chip Kelly, Josh McCown, Jerrod Johnson, Mike LaFluer, Klint Kubiak, Brian Hartline and others should be brought in.

Got to get this one right.
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When they're scouting they put the players in situations where they interract with existing members of the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they do something similar with coaches.

& I mean prospective coaches sitting with existing coaches. They'll infer from that & any past history with Cj, how he'll interact with players.
 
TexansBull said:
Why not interview potential people with Stroud?

Stroud shouldn’t decide but he should his opinion heard.

Doug Peterson, Chip Kelly, Josh McCown, Jerrod Johnson, Mike LaFluer, Klint Kubiak, Brian Hartline and others should be brought in.

Got to get this one right.
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No his opinion shouldn’t factor into that equation. He’s never been a OC let alone a coach in the NFL. Shoots he’s only has 2 years as a NFL quarterback who still has a lot to learn.
 
Texansballer74 said:
No his opinion shouldn’t factor into that equation. He’s never been a OC let alone a coach in the NFL. Shoots he’s only has 2 years as a NFL quarterback who still has a lot to learn.
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I agree, we aren't looking for someone who will be BFF with Stroud. We need a coach, leader, and mentor. No offense to CJ, he has no idea what a good play caller and technician looks like. He hasn't been around one at this level. I want the entire offensive staff cleaned out.
 
TexansBull said:
Why not interview potential people with Stroud?

Stroud shouldn’t decide but he should his opinion heard.

Doug Peterson, Chip Kelly, Josh McCown, Jerrod Johnson, Mike LaFluer, Klint Kubiak, Brian Hartline and others should be brought in.

Got to get this one right.
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Good thought about getting CJ involved - after all, they have to work together and CJ probably has a good idea of who he thinks can help him.
 
NitroGSXR said:
His opinion is irrelevant, I want to know what the OC can do with Stroud so… the only thing Stroud needs to be doing in these interviews is running plays exactly as called so we can see if the potential OC’s got it or not.
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Yeah? So you think CJ has learned nothing and hasn't got a clue?
I say let him put some names in the hat and NC puts some suggestions to him and see if he turns up his nose or not.
Your QB must be on board.
 
I really really didn’t think they’d make this move, to the point where I didn’t even speculate on it, but I’m glad they did, I felt the issues with situational playcalling and CJs regression were on Slowick, and Strausser, and that they weren’t issues I saw could be overcome by growing in the role.

Now Chip Kelly is an intriguing guy, gameplans for an explosive offense, lots of hurry up IIRC. If he can get Stroud in and out of the huddle quicker or with some hurry up drills then that could be great. Did he play political power-struggle games in his previous go-around though? Can’t remember off the top of my head but that would worry me.

Klint Kubiak, lots of experience for a young age, Gary on the phone any time he needs advice, I take it the old redzone troubles will continue or is it an updated scheme? You’ll still have the lack of audibles and similar problems to what Slowick has experienced, just a different brain trying to figure them out.

Jerrod Johnson, I don’t like the hire from within a failed system thing. CJ regressed and he was responsible for coaching him. You can point to the OL and playcalling issues, but why promote someone who’s job it was to outcoach those issues for the QB to a bigger job?

I kind of expect someone to come out of leftfield though. Usually the way it goes.
 
Texansphan said:
Yeah? So you think CJ has learned nothing and hasn't got a clue?
I say let him put some names in the hat and NC puts some suggestions to him and see if he turns up his nose or not.
Your QB must be on board.
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I disagree, think we ran into issues letting a rookie contract QB amass perceived power last go around. Should have taught him to stay in his lane on and off the field. Do your job and get better at it.

QB will be on board with quality coaching that wins championships. If not (as with DW) then not the right person to lead a franchise (as DW has proven).
 
Texansballer74 said:
No his opinion shouldn’t factor into that equation. He’s never been a OC let alone a coach in the NFL. Shoots he’s only has 2 years as a NFL quarterback who still has a lot to learn.
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Agree. Maybe when CJ has 6-7 years as an NFL QB and has had sustained success then you put more weight on his input but now, they want someone CJ can continue to learn from.
 
I don't know who made the ultimate call. Was it Cal and Hannah swooping in to save DeMeco from himself, like old man McNair did with Kubes...or was this the transition of DeMeco from defacto DC to HC?

If Meco made this call...I'm very bullish on his future. I'll leave that aside for now as I don't have enough info.

My first thought is Klint Kubiak, with Gary in some sort of advisory role to help craft the offense, break down film, and assist in making course corrections. Most of this could be done from his home, and if he's in...I'd be all over it.

Doug Pederson intrigues me more than Chip Kelly. Kelly struggled in Philly. Maybe he's learned? Worth an interview. Some of the others are lesser known names and we'll just see what happens.

As far as o-line coach...thank the lord that both were fired. Some people wanted to elevate Cole. Hell to the no on that!

My dream candidate, was...is...and will forever be Mike Munchak. A pretty close second is Benton. Again...some other lesser names will certainly get consideration.

All in all...I want external candidates who aren't stuck in a paradigm that is a remnant of the previous regime. Fresh start. And strong preference for experienced guys that have won. No OTJT. Obviously, the proof will be in the pudding, but just from an excitement/anticipation level, I'm now a lot more bullish on the coming season. I don't see how the line gets worse, and Bobby isn't that guy yet. He may get there, but he's not there now.
 
Texansballer74 said:
No his opinion shouldn’t factor into that equation. He’s never been a OC let alone a coach in the NFL. Shoots he’s only has 2 years as a NFL quarterback who still has a lot to learn.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
That was the approach taken with Watson.
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NitroGSXR said:
His opinion is irrelevant, I want to know what the OC can do with Stroud so… the only thing Stroud needs to be doing in these interviews is running plays exactly as called so we can see if the potential OC’s got it or not.
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I said his opinion heard - meaning I will hear what you have to say but the decision is ultimately someone else’s to make.

Many organizations and business do the same thing for incoming executives. Have a hiring committee that puts their thoughts together on who the next hire should be. And just because it was the same approach as with Watson doesn’t mean CJ would be like Watson and go on vacation while the Texans are trying to hire a GM quickly. Or would demand a trade because the Texans don’t listen to him.

Stroud is more of an adult.
 
I would like Chip Kelly. Here is why:
  • Demeco and Kelly have a strong relationship already.
  • Kelly has been a head coach and Ryans could use his counsel.
  • Kelly is innovative, successful and knows how to hire staff.
  • Kelly's run game design is elite. This is what the Texans and Stroud need.
  • Kelly could help poach the very successful offensive line coach from the Eagles, Jeff Stoutland. Kelly hired him in the first place.
  • Kelly does not seem to want to be head coach anymore.
 
TexansBull said:
I said his opinion heard - meaning I will hear what you have to say but the decision is ultimately someone else’s to make.

Many organizations and business do the same thing for incoming executives. Have a hiring committee that puts their thoughts together on who the next hire should be. And just because it was the same approach as with Watson doesn’t mean CJ would be like Watson and go on vacation while the Texans are trying to hire a GM quickly. Or would demand a trade because the Texans don’t listen to him.

Stroud is more of an adult.
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Yes he’s more of an adult but like I said he doesn’t have enough experience on that level. I’m not even thinking about Watson and how he tried to use that as an excuse to get out of Houston. Maybe after year 5 he could be included in those type of decisions. But as of right now, all he needs to worry about is improving his craft.
 
Porky said:
I don't know who made the ultimate call. Was it Cal and Hannah swooping in to save DeMeco from himself, like old man McNair did with Kubes...or was this the transition of DeMeco from defacto DC to HC?

If Meco made this call...I'm very bullish on his future. I'll leave that aside for now as I don't have enough info.

My first thought is Klint Kubiak, with Gary in some sort of advisory role to help craft the offense, break down film, and assist in making course corrections. Most of this could be done from his home, and if he's in...I'd be all over it.

Doug Pederson intrigues me more than Chip Kelly. Kelly struggled in Philly. Maybe he's learned? Worth an interview. Some of the others are lesser known names and we'll just see what happens.

As far as o-line coach...thank the lord that both were fired. Some people wanted to elevate Cole. Hell to the no on that!

My dream candidate, was...is...and will forever be Mike Munchak. A pretty close second is Benton. Again...some other lesser names will certainly get consideration.

All in all...I want external candidates who aren't stuck in a paradigm that is a remnant of the previous regime. Fresh start. And strong preference for experienced guys that have won. No OTJT. Obviously, the proof will be in the pudding, but just from an excitement/anticipation level, I'm now a lot more bullish on the coming season. I don't see how the line gets worse, and Bobby isn't that guy yet. He may get there, but he's not there now.
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It wasn’t Hannah. More and likely it was Meco and Caserio pulling the trigger on this one.
 
TexansBull said:
I also think the offense needs someone with Demeco’s SWARM energy. Frank Ross is a great match with Demeco with his energy.

Slowik on the other hand was too vanilla. Low energy.
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The attempted HB pass at the goal line against the Chargers soured me on Bobby. I didn’t think he was a huge issue against KC but, here we are.
 
Texansphan said:
Yeah? So you think CJ has learned nothing and hasn't got a clue?
I say let him put some names in the hat and NC puts some suggestions to him and see if he turns up his nose or not.
Your QB must be on board.
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The QB needs to be concerned about getting better in the off-season. He’s going to have some suggestions. However, the OC is going to need to be someone who can not only just play to Stroud’s strengths, he will need to challenge Stroud’s abilities as well.
 
Porky said:
I don't know who made the ultimate call. Was it Cal and Hannah swooping in to save DeMeco from himself, like old man McNair did with Kubes...or was this the transition of DeMeco from defacto DC to HC?

If Meco made this call...I'm very bullish on his future. I'll leave that aside for now as I don't have enough info.

My first thought is Klint Kubiak, with Gary in some sort of advisory role to help craft the offense, break down film, and assist in making course corrections. Most of this could be done from his home, and if he's in...I'd be all over it.

Doug Pederson intrigues me more than Chip Kelly. Kelly struggled in Philly. Maybe he's learned? Worth an interview. Some of the others are lesser known names and we'll just see what happens.

As far as o-line coach...thank the lord that both were fired. Some people wanted to elevate Cole. Hell to the no on that!

My dream candidate, was...is...and will forever be Mike Munchak. A pretty close second is Benton. Again...some other lesser names will certainly get consideration.

All in all...I want external candidates who aren't stuck in a paradigm that is a remnant of the previous regime. Fresh start. And strong preference for experienced guys that have won. No OTJT. Obviously, the proof will be in the pudding, but just from an excitement/anticipation level, I'm now a lot more bullish on the coming season. I don't see how the line gets worse, and Bobby isn't that guy yet. He may get there, but he's not there now.
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Munchak/Benton, would they not both be good prospects as OL coach? Munchak seemed pretty happy with his lot before he retired.

John Benton, I’m really struggling to remember him from his previous Texans tenure, in my head I put the years he is credited as the OL as being pretty crummy until Alex Gibbs was hired to coach the OL (although evidently that wasn’t his job title). I guess if he was there through that then he has learned from the best. Seems he’s been in constant work since. I take it he’s been successful in that time? Surely anyone on the Saints coaching staff is a legitimate target to hire away from them without offering a promotion, though?
 
Happy Slow is gone, that is where I am... just enjoying the possibilities at this point.

There was a time I was happy to see Kubes go.... then... the chin.... and then that was a nightmare that felt it would never end. So yeah, careful what you wish for is a genuine concern.

Right now though.... anyone else is an upgrade... cause I don't want to think we get even worse on the offensive side
 
Jerrod Johnson 2 seasons with Houston as QB coach. 2022 as an assistant QB coach. With all the runors slowik was getting for head coach, I thought Johnson would absorb some of that and move up. It is obvious now he had no source to get any training from. How can he be an OC?
 
mussop said:
Now trade Tunsils lazy ass and complete the trifecta.
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I like the way you're thinking but (sadly) I do have to concede that there are bigger problems than Tunsil on the OL. Hopefully the new OL coach can solve one or two of those problems and then see about getting the LT dialed in and if he can't then moved on to the next lucky team to pay a premium for false starts.
 
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ATXtexanfan said:
Same but at least we now know Demeco is all about winning.
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Never doubted that, I just think the front office as a whole made this call. Meco was probably the only one who wasn’t gung ho about it but Nick, Cal and Hannah were like…1737765693309.gif

I think he’s being fired for how the o-line struggled more than anything. Specifically for how long it took just to get a workable o-line for CJ to be able to operate decently behind…and his insistence on trying to have Schultz blocking lol. The pass protection scheme was a mess all season long & The changes that were made towards the end of the season should’ve happened way earlier.
 
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