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I don't know why it would be the worse option. Maybe going for a qb sneak was. lol
A quick slant to Hopkins or something lol. My thing is you kick the FG and go up 6. Now they need 7 to beat you.
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I don't know why it would be the worse option. Maybe going for a qb sneak was. lol
This is a narrative that's gotten very popular around here and I'm curious what people are basing it on or is it just that its been repeated so many times people have started to believe it? If its based off how he does interviews BB has been an ass to reporters his entire career even before he got to NE, Varbel basically called several reporters stupid after we beat the Titans last time. Seems to be a personality thing to treat reporters like children, I personally love it, more than it is an arrogance thing.
If its based on the "Mic'ed up" conversations I guess it would be to much to ask that people keep in mind that those are very short sound bytes in the middle of the game with very little context. Even the ones where he tells Watson something we don't know what the two of them have said in the locker room or training camp but they never seem to have issue with each other. Again it was Watson that made the speech and gave OB the game ball after we slapped NE around.
Can't be based on former players as the only ones that have really had bad things to say since he got here was Brown and that guy that went to Philly who's name I forget and didn't see any names that look familiar on the Eagles roster. Brown's issue was mainly with McNair and the other guy had a grudge against the whole team the medical staff in particular. Even the one player you might could say would have an issue with OB himself, Foster, is on the coaching staff now so he can't have to much of a problem with him.
I don't know either, maybe he is arrogant and acts like the smartest guy in the room but unless someone on here is in the locker room or in the training camps or in the coaching meetings or at least has met OB in person then this is just another narrative that isn't based on any fact.
A quick slant to Hopkins or something lol. My thing is you kick the FG and go up 6. Now they need 7 to beat you.
I used to have a friend with team so I’m basing it on conversations with him plus his attitude in some of his pressers and interviews
Percentages. Even non end game kicks had just a 72% (139/171) success rate (40-45 yards). If you miss you give them yet another 8 yards. 3 were blocked at that range, so the poster was basically saying ice it. I think DW4 getting about a yard is more likely then 70%. Play call was bad. DW4 should have not liked the look and called TimeOut like Brady did later that day. I think analytics say go for it.How so?
They needed 1 yard, 7-8 times out of 10 a QB sneak will get you that 1 yard particularly when you have as quick and mobile a QB as Watson. A slant opens up a lot more possible issues because Watson has to drop back to pass so 1 yard just became 5 and he has to give his receiver time to get out and even a little bit open. All this while a Bills defense, which had already sacked him 7 times, is pushing your line like a fat guy going for the last piece of friend chicken. If we had a wall for a line like say Dallas then maybe you can go for it but as up and down as ours is I would trust them to be able to push a guy back enough to get 1 yard than I would to protect Watson from an all out blitz. Sadly they couldn't do that either.
Again in hindsight it was the wrong play but just about any coach in the league would have called the same one. Reid did and that's what Mahomes got hurt on.
Percentages. Even non end game kicks had just a 72% (139/171) success rate (40-45 yards). If you miss you give them yet another 8 yards. 3 were blocked at that range, so the poster was basically saying ice it. I think DW4 getting about a yard is more likely then 70%. Play call was bad. DW4 should have not liked the look and called TimeOut like Brady did later that day. I think analytics say go for it.
Agree, those were there the way they had defended the LOS, with no LB dropping, DHOP shoves off on the line of scrimmage, breaks inside and never drops it. Batted ball is only defense I thinkI've seen plenty of teams go for it and quite a few kicking the field goal. But I get your drift as well as Mavericks. My thing is since you're going for it, how about going to one of the best recievers in the game. Or a quick hitters to your tight end.
A quick slant to Hopkins or something lol. My thing is you kick the FG and go up 6. Now they need 7 to beat you.
I've seen plenty of teams go for it and quite a few kicking the field goal. But I get your drift as well as Mavericks. My thing is since you're going for it, how about going to one of the best recievers in the game. Or a quick hitters to your tight end.
Tried that back in 2017 against the Pats......How'd that work out?
Analytics will tell you going for it is the play, and I agree with that. Kicking a FG doesn’t put you at 100% win probability. Getting a 1st down does. So I have zero problem with the decision to end the game right then and there.Think it comes back to the only needing 1 yard thing, if I recall in the other game we needed like what 7-10 yards for the 1st? In that case yeah go ahead and drop back for a pass because you already need more than you can bulldoze for. With only needing 1 yard our line SHOULD have been able to give Watson the space he needed, they didn't.
They needed 1 yard, 7-8 times out of 10 a QB sneak will get you that 1 yard particularly when you have as quick and mobile a QB as Watson. A slant opens up a lot more possible issues because Watson has to drop back to pass so 1 yard just became 5 and he has to give his receiver time to get out and even a little bit open. All this while a Bills defense, which had already sacked him 7 times, is pushing your line like a fat guy going for the last piece of friend chicken. If we had a wall for a line like say Dallas then maybe you can go for it but as up and down as ours is I would trust them to be able to push a guy back enough to get 1 yard than I would to protect Watson from an all out blitz. Sadly they couldn't do that either.
Again in hindsight it was the wrong play but just about any coach in the league would have called the same one. Reid did and that's what Mahomes got hurt on.
There is data out there and I heard we have an analytics guy in BOB's ear and thus more aggression in 2019. Here is just one article, http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/62665328I would like to think most coaches would have kicked the field goal, but I personally see most coaches as glorified gym class teachers with large egos who are good motivators of men, but not very good when it comes to time management and making the correct decision backed up by statistical data and the team's perceived strengths and weaknesses. If it was me, I would have kicked the FG and was yelling at TV when the decision was made. I would bet most Buffalo fans were ecstatic at BOB's decision to go for it because it was their best chance at winning.
I would expect Buffalo in that instance to sell out for the run up the middle which is why I was surprised at the play call to run Watson up the middle. I think the sneak up the middle is more of a 50/50 play considering their strengths and our weaknesses vice a 75/25 play to kick the FG and then forcing them to get a TD and go the length of the field. Yes we could have missed the FG but I would have been happier if we lost in that instance because thought it was the right call. I really was hoping when the decision was made that we would run a more creative play like a fake up the middle and quick pitch to the outside for a run. We were lucky to get out of this game.
To be honest I just can't see a scenario where I would ever trust BOB's play calling, time management, and decision making skills based upon his track record with us, but am worried if we do make a change we will just be bringing in another re-cycled gym teacher. We need a coach who is a chess player who understands the strategy and statistics behind each move and uses their strongest chess pieces to their fullest extent vice a chest bumper who reacts based upon emotion and ego.
Think it comes back to the only needing 1 yard thing, if I recall in the other game we needed like what 7-10 yards for the 1st? In that case yeah go ahead and drop back for a pass because you already need more than you can bulldoze for. With only needing 1 yard our line SHOULD have been able to give Watson the space he needed, they didn't.
It was 4th and 3
Different team and year bud. It worked to perfection earlier in the season. Why didn’t you bring up that known fact?
Because the criticism he has received for not being aggressive & just taking the points and hoping his defense holds has been disproportionate compared to the props he has received for trying to win the game in the Buffalo game and in the past...not necessarily YOU, but others looking for any reason to be critical.
Everyone on this forum has given Bill O’Brien his just do for his aggressiveness throughout this season. The biggest issue was the play call on this particular play.
What will it take for you NOT to call for BOB's head?
I would like to think most coaches would have kicked the field goal, but I personally see most coaches as glorified gym class teachers with large egos who are good motivators of men, but not very good when it comes to time management and making the correct decision backed up by statistical data and the team's perceived strengths and weaknesses. If it was me, I would have kicked the FG and was yelling at TV when the decision was made. I would bet most Buffalo fans were ecstatic at BOB's decision to go for it because it was their best chance at winning.
I would expect Buffalo in that instance to sell out for the run up the middle which is why I was surprised at the play call to run Watson up the middle. I think the sneak up the middle is more of a 50/50 play considering their strengths and our weaknesses vice a 75/25 play to kick the FG and then forcing them to get a TD and go the length of the field. Yes we could have missed the FG but I would have been happier if we lost in that instance because thought it was the right call. I really was hoping when the decision was made that we would run a more creative play like a fake up the middle and quick pitch to the outside for a run. We were lucky to get out of this game.
To be honest I just can't see a scenario where I would ever trust BOB's play calling, time management, and decision making skills based upon his track record with us, but am worried if we do make a change we will just be bringing in another re-cycled gym teacher. We need a coach who is a chess player who understands the strategy and statistics behind each move and uses their strongest chess pieces to their fullest extent vice a chest bumper who reacts based upon emotion and ego.
I agree. I have no problems with the decision or play call.The only reason there's criticism is b/c it didn't work & winning the game wound up being tougher than it perhaps had to be. If that play is converted, noone's in here talking this nonsense or giving him his just due for going against what has shown to be his tendency...all there would be is while they wait for the next thing to &^%$ about.
Because they have the ball and the capability to score and win - convert the fourth down and the game is over. I fully support the decision to go for it and control your own destiny.A quick slant to Hopkins or something lol. My thing is you kick the FG and go up 6. Now they need 7 to beat you.
Because they have the ball and the capability to score and win - convert the fourth down and the game is over. I fully support the decision to go for it and control your own destiny.
As far as the play call, ordinarily a QB sneak with a half yard to go is extremely hard to stop. The failure on that play is the O-line got beat. They have got to win that battle. You have to give the Bill's defense credit, they controlled the line of scrimmage and imposed their will. Hats off to them.
With the short yardage, I probably would have went with the QB sneak. I always hate it when the opposing team runs it against us in that situation, because it seems impossible to stop. With half a yard, how can you not convert that? Our o-line got their buts handed to them. That faure is totally on them, in my book. The only thing I would have changed was going to a quick count. Watson steps up to center and the ball is immediately hiked so the defense can't anticipate the play.Most definitely, I believe either choice can be the right one. You kick the FG there, up 6 and force the Bill's to score 7 verses 3. You miss the FG , we're in the same position. Personally I would've drew up a play for Hopkins
With the short yardage, I probably would have went with the QB sneak. I always hate it when the opposing team runs it against us in that situation, because it seems impossible to stop. With half a yard, how can you not convert that? Our o-line got their buts handed to them. That faure is totally on them, in my book. The only thing I would have changed was going to a quick count. Watson steps up to center and the ball is immediately hiked so the defense can't anticipate the play.
If we fire him after this season I guarantee you he will pick up a HC job in the NFL in short order.We’d say it and it would be true. That dumbass would have been sent packing almost anywhere else by now and would probably even be gone here if he didn’t have Watson.
If we fire him after this season I guarantee you he will pick up a HC job in the NFL in short order.
If we fire him after this season I guarantee you he will pick up a HC job in the NFL in short order.
If we fire him after this season I guarantee you he will pick up a HC job in the NFL in short order.
Well the last time we fired an underwhelming coach he went on to win a super bowl with largely the same assistants. I don't have any concerns about that happening in this case.
He (Kubiak) did but does anyone here really believe that Kubiak would have won it all here? Belichick in Cleveland? Coaches grow (or don't) and part of that is failure. What I see in O'Brien that makes me despair is that he's not hitting the bottom. He's not failing. He just isn't succeeding (but he's certain that he is) and every year that you see him come out of a bunch of ugly games wearing a winning record thanks to Watson's brilliant magic act you see that fat ****** get more and more invested into not changing, not adapting, and not growing because he's "winning". Last season was the ugliest 11-5 I remember seeing in a long time. Each of his seasons has been this slow, grim death march toward .500 with a desperate frenzy at the end as he finally stops being the "Great Dictator" and starts to get inventive to save his bacon (or Watson does it).
He doesn't look at all like a HC who is learning to me. He looks like a HC who is getting more obstinant and powerful each year because he works for a guy who has the personality of a warm, wet dish cloth and has run all of his potential rivals out of the building. The younger people here won't remember it but this is what the Oilers looked like after Ladd Herzog became all-powerful under Bud Adams. It's not a recipe for long-term success.
I'm not defending OB but I am curious how if a 9 game winning streak is ugly then what standards do you judge by? Is it because the teams last season were weaker because if that's the case then the Pats streak this year was ugly because they played some really, really bad teams.
because his team plays in a weak division and he's got #4 saving his butt regularly
Sure , some team is gonna see 9-7 , 9-7 , 9-7 , 4-12 , 11-5 , 10-6 and think he's pretty darn good.
They aren't going to consider the weak division and probably wont remember any of the clock / game management mistakes and they'll think his offense is great by the numbers …. and he'll likely lead them to mediocrity.
But he wont leave here and find Tom Brady waiting for him at his next stop …. He aint gonna leave and win a Super Bowl , unless of course someone forces a competent OC on him.
He (Kubiak) did but does anyone here really believe that Kubiak would have won it all here? Belichick in Cleveland? Coaches grow (or don't) and part of that is failure. What I see in O'Brien that makes me despair is that he's not hitting the bottom. He's not failing. He just isn't succeeding (but he's certain that he is) and every year that you see him come out of a bunch of ugly games wearing a winning record thanks to Watson's brilliant magic act you see that fat ****** get more and more invested into not changing, not adapting, and not growing because he's "winning". Last season was the ugliest 11-5 I remember seeing in a long time. Each of his seasons has been this slow, grim death march toward .500 with a desperate frenzy at the end as he finally stops being the "Great Dictator" and starts to get inventive to save his bacon (or Watson does it).
He doesn't look at all like a HC who is learning to me. He looks like a HC who is getting more obstinant and powerful each year because he works for a guy who has the personality of a warm, wet dish cloth and has run all of his potential rivals out of the building. The younger people here won't remember it but this is what the Oilers looked like after Ladd Herzog became all-powerful under Bud Adams. It's not a recipe for long-term success.
The Houston Watson's
Hwrzeg put together the House of Pain teams that blew games to the Broncos/Bills/Chiefs.
He brought in Moon/Munchak/ Matthews/Steinkuhler/Childerss etc,. He laid for a great team.
He ran a team that sucked for most of a decade while drafting high no-brainer picks. He put “Sirloin Steak“ on the roster and hired a succession of “Ketchup Bottles” to coach it.
I lost count, how many rings did the team bring home thanks to Ladd and his sick moves?
0
He chose the wrong QB
He did more damage choosing terrible head coaches. Hugh Campbell, Jerry Glanville, and Jack Pardee? That's who led this team of future HoF players Ladd and later Mike Holovak assembled? Pitiful.
Yeah, just as the Houston Oilers became the "Earlers" when Earl Campbell arrived the Houston Texans are without a doubt the "Watson's".
With Watson Bill O'Brien is 24-13 in the regular season. He would probably be better than that if he'd learn to use his players abilities instead of trying to make them do what he thinks will work. Without him he's 28-31 and probably headed for his next assistant coaching gig. Without Watson Bill O'Brien isn't anything at all other than the most recent guy who didn't win in Houston.
BTW, He could also have a worse record opening up the offense and getting DW4 hurt again.
Big ego is ok if you know what you are doing. The problem is when you have a big ego and you are an idiot.I might be in the minority but I’d be curious to see if BOB‘s head coaching would improve if he relinquished the OC/play calling duties. It’s difficult to wear so many hats, it spreads your attention too thin.
Lance Zeirlein reported that a source close to the team told him that Kelly installs the game plan on Wed but that OB tends to make changes late in the week. As we all know, for the most part, we’ve been pretty bad in the first quarter this year. This reflects poorly OB for one of two reasons. Number one, he’s micromanaging his staff to the point of causing problems. Either OBs ideas aren’t great or the lack of practice time for his ideas is causing the poor results. Either one is not acceptable. Number two, Kelly isn’t a competent OC. If that is the case why continue to let him design game plans that he feels the need to change late in the week. Not good
IMO, OB has a big ego, and I’d like to see him humble himself a bit. To me, it seems like he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. I’d like to see him bring in an experienced top notch OC and let the guy go to work. Just stay out of his way, and focus on big picture stuff. I will give him kudos for bringing in Smith as our QB coach, that was a step in the right direction. Now, if Kelly knows what he’s doing let him do his job and stay out of the way. If not, hire the best guy possible and let him go to work.
True. Hopefully that is O'Briens thinking. & he's not just being stubborn. I still think if he would move the pocket the way Reid does for Mahomes it would open things up quite a bit & protect him at the same time.
Big ego is ok if you know what you are doing. The problem is when you have a big ego and you are an idiot.
Two AFCSouth teams playing in the Divisional round. Both beat KC in the regular season. In fact 3 AFCSouth teams beat KC this year.
How do you Rank the divisions?
NfcWest
NfcNorth
AfcSouth
AfcNorth?
An idiot wouldn't have his team where the Texans are today.
Agree, maybe a bit harsh. He just needs to let loose of OC and playcalling.An idiot wouldn't have his team where the Texans are today.