Shishkabob
All Pro
I would but you couldn't give him a short leash. You have to do what gruden did this season with Cousins and live through the growing pains of a young qb.
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What to do in 1st round?
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I would but you couldn't give him a short leash. You have to do what gruden did this season with Cousins and live through the growing pains of a young qb.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
No.
Why do people have so much hope/faith in a guy who was a distant 3rd to Hoyer and Mallett? - other than the fact he is on the roster.
Savage shouldn't be regarded as anything but a backup for planning purposes. If some miracle occurs and he shines in training camp fine. But for now he's a non-entity as a starter.
Cousins wasn't their offseason planned starter. I don't have a problem if the starter gets hurt or benched and Savage comes in, i.e. is the backup.
That's the way I see it. Not because I'm down on Savage, but there's nothing special about him. Nothing that "wow's" you. But I'd have said the same about Bortles, Bridgewater, & Carr.
They'd be my number 2 going into the season. If number 1 gets hurt, they'd have a chance to win the job. If they don't outright dominate, they go back to back up when the starter is healthy & continue to "develop."
If number 1 is playing like Hoyer, I'd make the switch later in the season. If they show they're "better" then I'll go into next season with him as my number 1.
Or something like that. & it's just me. But I can't imagine how any of those guys could impress enough in practice to win a starting job over a tackling dummy. Which is what Brian Hoyer is until I'm sure my young'n can handle the pressure of a true NFL defense.
Russell Wilson was different. Way different.
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No , I'd rather suit up TexanBill at QB ..... even tho he couldn't see over the offensive line .... pre snap.
What proof do you have that Savage was a distant 3rd to Hoyer and Mallett? I don't have proof, but it's my gut feeling that he was never even considered for the job because of Hoyer and Mallett's relationship with OB.
I'm kinda big on Savage because he's has two seasons in the system and I liked what I saw from him in the preseason. I can put much more faith in that than I can in a rookie QB. In my mind, it's a lot more likely to draft a bust than an above average to great QB. IMO, Savage should be given a fair shot at the starting job.
That's just my take on it. It's also why I'm willing to take a look at RGIII, under the right circumstances. There's no way I would trade for him or give him more than the Texans gave Hoyer. I could very easily bow out of any bidding war for his services.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Because OB excluded him from the QB competition before training camp ever began.
Hoyer had 3 and Mallett 4. And theirs were actually meaningful to a degree as they were practicing the whole time. Savage has 2 seasons of watching film.
Be prepared for disappointment if you think he is coming in for Hoyer money. And every appearance right now is trade.
I won't be disappointed. I'm intrigued by RGIII's talent, but only under certain circumstances. I'm rather wary of him with the injuries and some of the personality reports. In no way am I sold on anything about him beyond seeing what he's got. Heck, he might not get past a workout with me.
In no way, shape or form am I sold on him being the 1st great QB in Texans history.
OTAs & mini camp is too late t o stack your deck.
I don't have a problem bringing RG3 in. I think it's a waste of time... but whatever. I still want a QB in this draft. Wentz in particular looks intriguing to me & unique. But he's not the only guy I'd be happy with.
I'd hate to get to training camp & finding out Hoyer will be our starter for 2016 because he unplugged Savage's alarm clock & RGIII needs to practice better.
Norg
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im thinking wetnz and paxs will be long gone before we draft at 22
most mock drafts right now have us taking the no 1 RB Elliot but I don't see that since the New England style is running back by commity
I kinda see if one of the top teen Tackles falls to us we good use a Solid LT Book end tackle and have newton a swing tackle and that would sure up or o line for years 2 come so when a young QB comes it like savage or whoever he wont die LOL
most mock drafts right now have us taking the no 1 RB Elliot but I don't see that since the New England style is running back by commity
I kinda see if one of the top teen Tackles falls to us we good use a Solid LT Book end tackle and have newton a swing tackle and that would sure up or o line for years 2 come so when a young QB comes it like savage or whoever he wont die LOL
You work the draft or you get worked. McNair said we're looking for a franchise QB in this draft. Sure, come draft time he'll say you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip, if he's not there he's not there.
But the way he said what he said, trading up is a possibility. Gone by 22 most likely but the Texans should be able to get to 11 if they wanted. If they feel one of these guys is a franchise QB, there's no such thing as too much in a QB driven league.
Norg
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or u can roll the dice u can find your Franchise QB in the 2nd or 3rd or heck really get Lucky and find him in the 6th like Tom brady or undrafted like Romo
either way to me it does not matter when u pick on any rounds has long has u got a good GM and coach who can find those gems in a sea of rocks
I'm with you. I don't need the Texans to take one of the top three. I just want them to find someone they believe in. Someone I can believe in... i.e. not Hoyer.
I don't see how OB can name a starter at QB before the end of OTA's under the current CBA. I'm not saying stack your deck then. I'm saying have the guys you want and let them compete through OTA's, then make a decision and stick with it, unless another guy just dominates in preseason. Whether that be Savage, Weeden, your favorite draft pick or some other combination. As long as Hoyer is not part of the equation.
I think that's what we're all saying. Get a QB in this draft, someone with more "upside" than Savage.
Let Savage compete but if he turns out to be your avg 4th round QB, not having a better plan B (than Weeden/Hoyer) is unacceptable.
I agreed with everything until you included Hoyer. Savage >Hoyer. RGIII>Hoyer. Hoyer needs to sell insurance or whatever ex-NFL busts (not the ones in the HOF) do post NFL
You are correct. I'd give Weeden a good look. He played well last season for Dallas and Houston. He's also said to be an excellent team mate.
I'm not sure what Yates' status is, considering the torn ACL.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'd try Weedon as my FA pickup, try to draft a prospect and run with Savage as the presumptive starter in OTAs. It's time to fish or cut bait for him. Hoyer and Moore are likely cuts bringing liability on the field and a price tag off the field which is not commensurate AND not guaranteed for Hoyer and about half for Moore.
My prospect list for QB taylered to the Texans:
First if available:
1. Goff
2. Lynch
3. Wentz
Second
4. Cook
Third
5. Hackenberg
Fourth
6. Coker
Seventh
7. Misc. Camp Arm with potential to make the PS.
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
2014 Savage wasn't ready
2015 Savage was hurt after showing significant improvement in the pre-season.
2016 Savage is an unknown competing with Hoyer who is unlikely to make it a full season without a concussion IF he even makes it to camp. No rookie prospect will be able to make the NFL jump successfully in his first season, particularly in OBs complex system. He'd have to be carried by the D while learning to even have temporary success for a few games.
I'm not on his bandwagon because he's better than Brady, I'm on his bandwagon because he's the best WE have.
Bring in a FA or prospect. Fine. But Savage is the most likely starter at this point. He might be better than you think or worse than I think. Hopefully, he will be better than I think.
Daniels is EMERGENCY ONLY at QB and a long shot at WR.
The cupboard is close to bare at QB.
Watching Wentz's highlight reel, I see a developmental QB who is likely to throw a lot of picks against NFL DB's. He's not under center, stares down his receivers and throws into very tight windows against questionable talent. I do not see an NFL ready QB at all. He might have a high ceiling, but he might never reach that ceiling as we've all seen from a plethora of quarterbacks.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Weeden has said he would like to stay with the Texans. But then again, I'm sure he would like any situation where he could compete for the the starting position.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well we agree on the last statement.
Lol at preseason when everyone looked good.
Have you noticed what happens when we don't run 'the system'? - we win. So not real concerned with familiarity with 'the system.'
Having jack in the cupboard doesn't mean you still eat the Dinty Moore stew after buying a filet. He may 'compete' but there is no scenario in which Savage should be the anticipated starter.
Grams
Veteran
I like Savage. I thought last year when he came into the Colts game after the Colts broke Fitz's leg, that he was really lost at first. But he seems to get to get into the flow after a while. Thought he might just get us the win - until he hurt his knee. Thought he looked pretty good this year in pre-season.
Like him better that most of the college QB's people are raving over. What I have seen of most of the college QBs available for the draft is limited, there is not one that seems to be a must have.
But also thought Bortles or Bridgewater were not must haves either. Still not impressed with either of them after 2 years of playing time.
Don't know if we will be impressed with Savage after 2 years of playing time, but think after 2 years of sitting, it is time to see and give him the opportunity to find out if he is an NFL starting QB or a career backup. I would also re-sign Weeden. He did not look that bad here. Much better than Hoyer.
What I do know is that Hoyer must go. They cannot get rid of Hoyer soon enough for me.
Like him better that most of the college QB's people are raving over. What I have seen of most of the college QBs available for the draft is limited, there is not one that seems to be a must have.
But also thought Bortles or Bridgewater were not must haves either. Still not impressed with either of them after 2 years of playing time.
Don't know if we will be impressed with Savage after 2 years of playing time, but think after 2 years of sitting, it is time to see and give him the opportunity to find out if he is an NFL starting QB or a career backup. I would also re-sign Weeden. He did not look that bad here. Much better than Hoyer.
What I do know is that Hoyer must go. They cannot get rid of Hoyer soon enough for me.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I see talent there. But he's gonna have to sit. The speed increase by the defenses he faces is going to be insane to him. He appears to have the makeup to overcome it, but it takes time.
I think Cook is likely the only QB in this class who can come in and start for someone day one. But he also comes with a terrible accuracy problem that I don't think he can overcome.
I actually think the most likely QB in this class to have early success is Goff. People want to kill him over the offense he ran but he did more at the LOS than any other QB I watched this year. He's gonna have to sit a little bit just to catch up to the playbook. But you're looking at a guy who could probably be ready to go by mid season and then he's the franchise guy after that.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Don't know how much time he will take to 'catch up to the playbook.' He is at Cal. When I was there they gave the football players extra help (I tutored) but they didn't cut them slack.
Really wish Goff wasn't a pipe dream...
Texian
Hall of Fame
Don't worry, with Cowboys coaching Wentz all next week there's a good chance Wentz goes at #4. Primarily because Romo is getting old and can't stay on the field. At #4 it might be best chance for the Cowboys for awhile to find their QB of the future. Jerry Jones in the last few years seems to have become less of a renegrade. If Goff or Wentz get to#5 Jax there's a good chance they trade back w/ Philly or LA Rams who would now have ammo to move up. Texans just don't have the ammo to get there unless they do a silly Julio Jones trade which still haunts Atlanta to this day. Next best options are Coker and Hackenberg. I like Coker, said all along that he could be a diamond in the rough and quite possibly the best QB in this draft. However I expect OB to go after Hackenberg, familiarity breeds familiarity. I wouldn't be surprised to see OB trade up for Hack after Belichick snookered OB on Garropolo.
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bah007
Hall of Fame
I didn't mean to imply that it was a mental thing. He's obviously smart enough to go to school at Cal. And his football IQ is off the charts in my opinion.
What I mean is that the intricacies within each play call are far more complex. A play can be called in the huddle, and often the protections, audibles, and hots can be determined by personnel and formation.
So you could have the same play called twice in a game from the same formation, but say the first time you have Shorts in the slot and Strong outside him. But then the second time you have Griffin in the slot with Shorts outside him. That literally changes everything about the play despite the fact that the call in the huddle was exactly the same.
In the first scenario, if you read blitz from the strong side then the slot immediately becomes your hot. But in the second scenario, you can pull the slot down to the line as an extra blocker and change the protection instead.
That's the kind of stuff Goff needs time with. Because the offense at Cal is just too simplistic for him to have had many reps with that kind of thing.
I also wish he were a more realistic option. I think he's the best QB prospect since Luck. And I'd be willing to bet on it with the necessary draft picks if a trade were possible.
This makes me very glad that you aren't the Texans GM.
bah007
Hall of Fame
This makes me very glad that you aren't the Texans GM.
Fine by me. But my hit rate is higher than our GM every single year.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Funny how so many fans whine about the Texans not investing in the QB position and then they balk when asked if they would invest draft picks in acquiring a QB.
The Texans organization is a reflection of it's fan base......scared to pull the trigger.
The Texans organization is a reflection of it's fan base......scared to pull the trigger.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Bizarre isn't it?
This makes me very glad that you aren't the Texans GM.
I watch games also, so there...
I'm definitely in the scared to pull the trigger camp when it comes to giving up multiple draft picks to do so. Especially when not a single QB in this draft is considered a sure-fire pick. Not even Goff.
I'm definitely tired of the retread cast-off's of other teams (I consider RGIII to be different because of coaching changes and pissing matches but I'm not overly sold on him, either). I would like a chance to see if the developmental QB on the roster has developed. Let's go ahead and add another in the draft, but don't hamstring the team by giving up multiple picks to get that developmental QB. Swapping picks and adding one would be ok for the guy the coaches want.
I'm just afraid Smith is going to go all Mike Ditka or Bruce Allen/Mike Shannahan and mortgage the future on a roll of the dice.
While I truly appreciate your talent evals,
You could throw darts at a draft board and have a higher hit rate than the Texans GM.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
100% approve this message. I really think you could get Clevelands pick for peanuts, Hue as coach or not, their FO is still a circus
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Scared? No. But It does make sense to know what direction the gun is pointing before pulling the trigger. Just shooting to be shooting is rarely effective. Ask Cleveland.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Or Cleveland made choices that were just fine but the coaching sucked.
Believe you among others want to see what Weedon has.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I want to see both Weedon and Savage, but the battle should be decided after OTAs, not during training camp.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Missed the point.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
This organization has always been conservative. It's time to make a splash and take a chance. If you're scared go to church. Give up the picks move up and get Goff,Lynch,Wentz whoever the hell you like the best but do something. Make your first signature move. I'd rather take a shot and fail then to never take a shot. Conservative mediocrity sucks. Live a little.
Why is this the year to make a splash? Each and every one of the QB prospects you list has serious flaws. 2014 was the year to make your "splash".
EDIT: I'd take AJ Mccarron over every QB in this draft and Mettenberger over half of them. At their original draft positions.
Kyle Boller he was drafted by Billick right? Well, when Billick was the HC. Flacco came in with Harbaugh... right?
I wonder if Boller would have been more successful if he were drafted under Harbaugh. Or if Flacco would have been JAG had he been drafted under Billick.
I'd take both of them over Fitz & Hoyer as well. Just can't understand how O'b & Rick came to that conclusion. Fitz was just kicked out of Tennessee. & Brian Hoyer looked absolutely horrid against us.
Makes no damn sense.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I was a clowney proponent in 2014 ,but i didn't know then that rooting for clowney meant skipping any young qb talent. Knowing what i do now i'd have rooted for bortles not that it would change anything. We have to secure a qb splash because we spent the last 2 off-seasons with a finger up our azzhole @ qb. All rookies have flaws.
Dont get all the gush for Goff. Dude is like Hoyer to the extreme. Will play great for periods of time then he'll throw a WTF pass out of know where. He's good for a few of those every game. If we pick him then I'll be fine with it. But I can't see using a top 5 pick on him. He just isn't as good as some here are making him out to be IMO.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I dunno if he's as acclaimed nationally as he is locally since we have such a dire need for quarterback. He's clearly not a manning, Vick, cam prospect.
I want him and think he's the best of the batch but he's not a sell your 2016 draft qb prospect to me. I thought more highly of Stanford and Bradford coming out then Goff.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Sadly this appears to be true.