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What is Sage's value?--Sage Frustrated

CloakNNNdagger said:
Chronicle Feb 23

Despite the difference in pay, [Rick] Smith said the team won't hesitate to start Rosenfels if he outplays Schaub this season.
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and thats a clear signs they have doubts in schaub? sounds more like typical GM speak
 
Well according to this site, via Pro Football Talk, the deal between the Vikings and the Texans is dead for now.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/story/2008/2/28/214813/572

Pro Football Talk is reporting that the trade talks between the Beloved Purple and the Houston Texans involving QB Sage Rosenfels are officially off. Houston wanted a second round pick in exchange for Rosenfels, and the Vikings wanted to give up a third. Neither team would budge, so there's no deal as of now.
 
GlassHalfFull said:
There is a reason you are in the witness protection program.:aggressive:
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LOL.

I still cannot figure out why people won't let go of Schaub. He's slow getting away from the center, slow to react to pressure, and is fragile. It was a nice attempt to upgrade the QB position. I liked it when it went down in the offseason, but the herd is once again refusing to see the obvious: The anointed QB has no clothes.

All I know is that Sage is still standing, still smiling, and he did it with an even MORE banged up oline than what Schaub had. The depths that people have gone to, to save face for the Schaub deal and maintain that "all is well," is amazing. I don't know that Sage is THE starter...but he's the same QB as Schaub, except he somehow stays upright more often. Advantage: Sage. Look, this is less about how much you guys think i looooover Sage. And it's more about how much I think Schaub is NOT our starting QB for much longer (mostly due to his enormous injured-to-playing QB ratio). Sage outside of Kubiaks system (in Minnesota, for example) probably flounders BIG TIME.

Schaub looks awesome when everything is perfect. He reads a defense better, he has a stronger arm and better placement. But I defy you to show me where the NFL provides QBs with a sterile and safe environment for the majority of QBs (not named Brady or Manning). People need to dis-associate themselves for a second and recognize that Schaub DOES have some faults that have hurt him. It really is true, guys. Just sayin'....
 
I believe we're scheduled to play the Vikings this year on the road so if a deal for Sage were to happen that could prove to be an interesting matchup. That being said I wouldn't trade Sage for a 3rd rounder. Didn't AJ Feeley go for more than that? If the Vikings were to offer a 2nd round pick then I'd be more open to the idea.
 
This was rather interesting...

I think all things equal, trade Sage for a 3rd rounder would be great. However, unfortunately things really aren't that great in Houston currently.

1. Matt Schaub has been injured- he has the potential and shows us flashes of being a great great QB in this league but unfortunately got injured twice last season, had shoulder surgery during the offseason and he is somewhat of an unknown (only plus was it was his non-throwing shoulder).

2. On top of that, Houston doesn't have a formidable Offensive Line yet. I'd feel more comfortable putting all our eggs in the Schaub basket if our offensive line was already solid but it's far from it.

3. Then throw in the fact that we really don't know what our RB situation is and don't have a reliable running back the consistently hand the ball off to. We really don't even know who our RBs are gonna be next season.

Because of our current situation, I don't see how we can gamble that much in trading Sage away. I think Smith did a smart thing. If our OL was solid and we had a solid RB to hand the ball off to, I'd do it for a 3rd... but we don't.
 
This was kind of a parallel discussion in a different thread but figured I'd pull this part out and put it in here too:

Just for reference:
98.9% Chargers
98.7% Patriots
93.9% Steelers
93.4% Colts
82.3% Jaguars
69.5% Titans

These are the % of snaps taken by their Starting QB. The Titans are really an exception because they don't rely on their QB to win games. VY is IMHO almost a hinderance because of his style of play. In this league (and yes I will be doing more analysis of this) if you have you don't have consistency at the QB position you're not going to win many games.

60 different QB's started a game last year.

In fact here are the QB's to start every game for their team last season:

Hasslebeck 10
P Manning 13
E Manning 10
Farve 13
Kitna 7
Cutler 7
Romo 13
Palmer 7
Brady 16
Rivers 11
Brees 7

If you're counting, that's an average of 10.4 wins.

If you didn't have your QB start every game.... you won an average of 6.1 games. That's why I'm not so worried about a backup QB. Rather than worrying about who the backup is we need to worry about getting a quality guy and standing him upright and keeping him in there for the Majority of the year.

Mike
 
The history of Texans 2's and 3's"

2002:
2 Jabar Gaffney Florida
2 Chester Pitts San Diego State
3 Fred Weary Tennessee
3 Charles Hill Maryland
2003:
2 Tony Hollings Georgia Tech suplapmental
2 Ben Joppru Michigan
3 Antwan Peek Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand Northwest Missouri State
2004:
No 2nd or 3rds
2005:
3 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State
2006:
2 DeMeco Ryans Alabama
3 Charles Spencer Pittsburgh
2007:
3 Jones Jacoby Lane

The only guy on that list that is more valuable than Sage is Demeco. Had Spencer stayed healthy, then maybe he would also be more valuable than Sage.

That means they have had at best 2 players more valuable than Sage out of 12 total 2nd and 3rd round picks. So there is a 1 in 6 chance we get someone better. Sounds like a bad deal to me.
 
RagingBull said:
The history of Texans 2's and 3's"

2002:
2 Jabar Gaffney Florida
2 Chester Pitts San Diego State
3 Fred Weary Tennessee
3 Charles Hill Maryland
2003:
2 Tony Hollings Georgia Tech suplapmental
2 Ben Joppru Michigan
3 Antwan Peek Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand Northwest Missouri State
2004:
No 2nd or 3rds
2005:
3 Vernand Morency Oklahoma State
2006:
2 DeMeco Ryans Alabama
3 Charles Spencer Pittsburgh
2007:
3 Jones Jacoby Lane

The only guy on that list that is more valuable than Sage is Demeco. Had Spencer stayed healthy, then maybe he would also be more valuable than Sage.

That means they have had at best 2 players more valuable than Sage out of 12 total 2nd and 3rd round picks. So there is a 1 in 6 chance we get someone better. Sounds like a bad deal to me.
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Ok so let me get this straight. We are looking at the ENTIRE FRANCHISE history? We shouldn't maybe judge based on what the current regime has done with their picks? Say Spencer, Winston,Ryans and JJ? Since the guys who would make our picks are the ones that made those should we say that we have like an 3/4 (depending on JJ)?

I've already conceeded that its a gamble. But we're not going to get any better if one of our few claims to fame is "best backup QB".

mike
 
i agree that sage is worth more than a third round pick after his performances when schaub went down. however, we gotta ask ourselves "is sage the future qb of our franchise if matt doesn't work out?"

i don't think he is. while he is a capable backup, we have more pressing needs (future lt, oline depth, rb, cb, dline, olb [or maybe even mlb if we want to move demeco back outside]). if matt schaub takes another cheap shot and gets reinjured, honestly so what if SR steps in and wins us two more games? are we any closer to winning a championship with him as our signal caller? i have a lot of respect for what sage accomplished last year, but if schaub isn't the long term answer then we have more important needs than a quality backup qb.

if we get offered a 2nd rounder or the equivalent, i say take it and sign another backup, especially since this year's draft is so deep at our positions of need. otherwise we're taking steps sideways instead of forwards.
 
Fox said:
Last season Sage was at least as valuable to us as Schaub was, and we don't have enough evidence on Schaub yet to tell if that trend will continue (durability?). I wouldn't even contemplate trading Rosenfels for less than a 2nd, with the caveat that I'd have to have a good alternative available before I'd trade him period.
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Can't the same be said about Sage? What has he done in his career that everyone sees him as the savior? The dude was a backup that had a few good games when the starter went down. There is no evidence that Sage is going to continue the hot streak he was on. They both could turn out to be a Kelly Holcomb/Rob Johnson type. Had a few great games and has been riding that wave ever since.
 
Hoth-Boy you make some excellent points. I'm with you bro. Get something while we still hold the cards. His value will either drop next year or he's going to pack up his bags and leave town. Buy low sell high concept.
 
What I find so interesting in this thread is how cavalier some are treating our QB situation as relates to Sage's value, Sage vs. Schaub as Texans starter and the advantage that a Qb enjoys when he is given the nod at the beginning of a season as a starter to prove or to disprove himself (which Sage has never had that opportunity) and have the offense built around his strengths, or at least with him in the melt of priorities. For all of those who were so easy to complain of the 8-8 season and to forget the 2-14 season, it seems that those same people are willing to gamble that Schaub will do well and stay healthy, not give fair "competitition between 2 QBs a chance to declare the strongest and most consistent during preseason................and to say, Oh Well, if Schaub goes down and we trade Schaub, we can always get someone in there to do the job.................and if the new backup can't hold his own in our system?...............there's always NEXT YEAR. Those same people with the cavalier attitude will be the first and loudest to deny their support of the resulting situation. At this point in the franchise history, we should not be looking to next year to REBUILD our major pieces...........we should be looking to HOLD ON TO and BUILD ON TO our present precious successes.
 
Malloy said:
oh nose :/

2 second-round picks is what we paid to get our starting QB. Tell the Vikes that the price hasn't changed ;)
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Agreed: the price starts with both of their threes this year. Er do two twos equal one one ? The threes and a second in '09 would satisfy me.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What I find so interesting in this thread is how cavalier some are treating our QB situation as relates to Sage's value, Sage vs. Schaub as Texans starter and the advantage that a Qb enjoys when he is given the nod at the beginning of a season as a starter to prove or to disprove himself (which Sage has never had that opportunity) and have the offense built around his strengths, or at least with him in the melt of priorities. For all of those who were so easy to complain of the 8-8 season and to forget the 2-14 season, it seems that those same people are willing to gamble that Schaub will do well and stay healthy, not give fair "competitition between 2 QBs a chance to declare the strongest and most consistent during preseason................and to say, Oh Well, if Schaub goes down and we trade Schaub, we can always get someone in there to do the job.................and if the new backup can't hold his own in our system?...............there's always NEXT YEAR. Those same people with the cavalier attitude will be the first and loudest to deny their support of the resulting situation. At this point in the franchise history, we should not be looking to next year to REBUILD our major pieces...........we should be looking to HOLD ON TO and BUILD ON TO our present precious successes.
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All of that is true CNNNNND. But what is also true is you get at least two extra ducets to pick the guys on this draft board from 64 to 99. Lot of teams going to get into the second day and become ....desperate not filling critcal needs. Want to go to a super bowl....up grade the tallent. One way to do that is to controll a draft board. Do you trade Hershel Walker...you do if you get a shot to hold people up in the third round of a very tallented draft board. It's a huge gamble. What are you gambling a 10- 6 season if they clean up the turn overs and get lucky with the injuries this year ? Me, I take a shot at controlling the '08 and '09 draft boards. Especailly with this GM. Give Smith some wiggle room and turn him loose.
But you are correct in your assesment.
It's a huge gamble.

Minnesota has a #3 from Denver (2007 draft trade/ DT Marcus Thomas)
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http://www.gbnreport.com/trades.htm
 
Sage is a great back up QB to have in our system. He understands what needs to be done and the guys in the huddle accept his leadership when needed. Do not mistake a great substitute for our team's starter. Yes, we still have some questions about Schaub's ability to stay healthy. Only because it was Matt's first year being the number 1 and getting the snot knocked out of him by the Titans twice. (Was it just me, or did y'all think the Titans game planned to take Schaub out both times last year?)

Matt is our #1 QB. Kubiak and Smith are not going to let a great back-up leave town unless they get a good deal for him. We need the insurance of having consistancy at QB when Matt gets knocked out of a game. As someone said before, our QB is not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady; therefore, we need someone who can step in and get the job done.
 
I'm glad it fell through at that price. The old saying a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush comes to mind. It's not like our starter has proven to have the durability of a Payton Manning. We don't know yet if we have another Chris Chandelier on our hands, or if last year was a fluke.

Nope, in this league you need two capable QB's. Sage proved his value to the team last year. We also have Schaub who set the market value on starter potential QB's without a ton of starts under his belt. It stands to reason to me that if Schaub is worth 2 #2's, and you evualate his performance vs. Rosenfels last year, then at worst Rosenfels is worth 2 #3's, if not a 2nd and a 3rd. I didn't set the market on QB's, the Texans, Bills, and many other teams have set that market value over the years. One #3 would not be market value, and in the event that Schaub were to go down, we would be handing the reins of the team in the most important position to whom exactly?

I don't think you help your team by dealing from the most important position on the team when you have depth in that area. Weakening that position for a totally unknown quantity in a draft pick makes no sense to me. Just ask Falcons fans how that worked for them. Have we learned nothing from history?
 
Texanmike said:
Ok so let me get this straight. We are looking at the ENTIRE FRANCHISE history? We shouldn't maybe judge based on what the current regime has done with their picks? Say Spencer, Winston,Ryans and JJ? Since the guys who would make our picks are the ones that made those should we say that we have like an 3/4 (depending on JJ)?

I've already conceeded that its a gamble. But we're not going to get any better if one of our few claims to fame is "best backup QB".

mike
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So this regime has spent second and third round picks on:

Demeco Ryans - Def Rookie of the Year
Eric Winston - Our best O-lineman and RT of the future
Charles Spencer - Would have been our answer at LT if not for an injury
Jacoby Jones - Flashes of serious potential at WR and PR

Yeah........I would hate for this regime to trade a back-up for a draft pick with their success/failure rate. We may as well trade ALL of our draft picks for Free Agents at this rate.
 
GBNs 65 to 108.

#65 Andre Woodson QB 6-5, 230 Kentucky
#66 DeJuan Tribble CB 5-9, 190 Boston College
#67 John Carlson TE 6-5, 255 Notre Dame
#68 Marcus Harrison DT 6-3, 315 Arkansas
#69 Jason Jones DE 6-5, 272 Eastern Michigan
#70 Terrell Thomas CB 6-0, 200 USC
#71 Erik Ainge QB 6-5, 220 Tennessee
#72 Adarius Bowman WR 6-4, 220 Oklahoma State
#73 Mike Hart RB 5-9, 200 Michigan
#74 Oneil Cousins OT 6-4, 305 UTEP
#75 *Kevin Smith RB 6-1, 212 Central Florida
#76 Jonathan Hefney DB 5-9, 185 Tennessee
#77 Lawrence Jackson DE 6-5, 270 USC
#78 *Letroy Guion DT 6-4, 295 Florida State
#79 *Martellus Bennett TE 6-7, 255 Texas A&M
#80 Jamar Adams DB 6-2, 210 Michigan
#81 John David Booty QB 6-3, 210 USC
#82 Matt Forte RB 6-0, 225 Tulane
#83 Trevor Laws DT 6-1, 295 Notre Dame
#84 Martin Rucker TE 6-5, 255 Missouri
#85 Red Bryant DT 6-5, 320 Texas A&M
#86 *Geno Hayes LB 6-1, 220 Florida State
#87 Harry Douglas WR 5-10,170 Louisville
#88 Dre Moore DT 6-4, 310 Maryland
#89 Heath Benedict OT 6-5, 320 Newberry
#90 *Jerod Mayo LB 6-1, 235 Tennessee
#91 Donnie Avery WR 5-10, 190 Houston
#92 Lavelle Hawkins WR 5-10, 180 California
#93 Terrence Wheatley CB 5-9, 175 Colorado (X)
#94 Cliff Avril DE 6-3, 250 Purdue
#95 Shawn Crable LB 6-3, 245 Michigan
#96 Owen Schmitt FB 6-2, 260 West Virginia
#97 *Jake Ikegwouna CB 6-0, 200 Wisconsin
#98 Simeon Castille DB 6-0, 190 Alabama
#99 Phillip Wheeler LB 6-1, 230 Georgia Tech
#100 Quentin Demps FS 6-0, 205 UTEP
#101 Tony Hills OT 6-5, 305 Texas (X)
#102 Andre Fluellen DT 6-2, 285 Florida State
#103 Thomas DeCoud DB 6-1, 200 California
#104 Allen Patrick RB 5-11, 195 Oklahoma
#105 Dustin Keller TE 6-3, 245 Purdue
#106 Eddie Royal WR 5-9, 185 Virginia Tech
#107 Trae Williams CB 5-10, 185 South Florida
#108 Bruce Davis DE 6-3, 240 UCLA

http://www.gbnreport.com/top100.html
 
I feel for Sage. This was a real opportunity at a starting QB job. Sage will turn 30 next week, and he's not likely to get many more shots to become a starter. He still has two years @ $1.35 mil/year on his deal. While that's a lot of money to you & me, Sage is underpaid as a quality NFL backup QB. Andre Davis just got a $16 million deal as a kick returner and insurance policy to Andre Johnson.

But, the Texans can't give away assets. And a 3rd round pick is not a sure thing. It's said that judging a draft requires a 3 year perspective. For every Frank Gore, Justin Tuck, and Ellis Hobbs from the '05 class, you have a Andrew Walter, Ryan Moats, and Vernand Morency. A team that expects to contend for the playoffs needs a quality backup QB. That's worth more than a 3rd round pick. My hope is that Sage understands this, and comes back with the same enthusiasm and leadership he's shown the previous 2 seasons as a Texan. And I hope the front office recognizes his contribution, and gives the man a raise.
 
PapaL said:
Hoth-Boy you make some excellent points. I'm with you bro. Get something while we still hold the cards. His value will either drop next year or he's going to pack up his bags and leave town. Buy low sell high concept.
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Count me in too. I've been meaning to respond to some back points Hoth but yeah the backup QB is the most popular guy on the team it seems.

It'd be worth it alone to me to make the trade for the third on the grounds of having Sage start in Minnesota and start hurling up INTs. Teams are going to be keying on the running game next year much as possible forcing the starting QB(whomever that is) to win the game for them. I don't think Sage can handle that regularly.

For every Rich Gannon there is a Sage. The guy hasn't been the victim of a getting behinda good QB. He's had the reins twice in his career and flopped. I think some people here have been forced to watch David Carr the bulk of the past 5 years have mistaken mediocre QB play for fantastic play.

Gus Ferotte or another journeyman QB could come in and do as well or better. Honestly this team could really use another third and Sage probably feels like he deserves a shot after performing....well enough. He's most likely going to leave after the year anyway. We might as well get what i think would be the best offer.
 
I didn't see this posted, (apologies if it had been):

Sage Rosenfels-QB- Texans Feb. 28 - 9:49 pm et

"Word out of Houston" is that the Vikings and Texans have broken off talks about a possible trade involving Sage Rosenfels.

At this point, the Vikings are offering a third-round pick and the Texans want a second-round. That's close enough that we figure they can settle their differences. Rosenfels is a great idea for Minnesota in a market that seemed empty of palatable options. Matt Schaub missed five games with injuries in 2007, so Houston may want to play it safe. The Minneapolis Star-Tribune suggests the Vikes may now turn their attention to J.P. Losman.
Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune
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Sage Rosenfels | QB
 
My take on the QB in general is this:
- Do not take a QB with a high draft pick
- Do not overpay for the QB position in dollars or picks
- Kubiak's system will make anyone look good who is competent

A solid back up QB is a luxury few have, but should not be kept at the expense of the team's future by not addressing needs elsewhere.

I am not a QB guy, but I am about improving the OLine and the Secondary in a AFC South that has exploited this softness of ours for years.
 
Lucky said:
I feel for Sage. This was a real opportunity at a starting QB job. Sage will turn 30 next week, and he's not likely to get many more shots to become a starter. He still has two years @ $1.35 mil/year on his deal. While that's a lot of money to you & me, Sage is underpaid as a quality NFL backup QB. Andre Davis just got a $16 million deal as a kick returner and insurance policy to Andre Johnson.

But, the Texans can't give away assets. And a 3rd round pick is not a sure thing. It's said that judging a draft requires a 3 year perspective. For every Frank Gore, Justin Tuck, and Ellis Hobbs from the '05 class, you have a Andrew Walter, Ryan Moats, and Vernand Morency. A team that expects to contend for the playoffs needs a quality backup QB. That's worth more than a 3rd round pick. My hope is that Sage understands this, and comes back with the same enthusiasm and leadership he's shown the previous 2 seasons as a Texan. And I hope the front office recognizes his contribution, and gives the man a raise.
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Not really. Andre Davis got paid 16 Mil to be our #2 WR and KR, and that is right in line with what #2 WR's make. You can argue that he isnt a #2, but someone else could argue that he is.:twocents:
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Two thirds or a second gets it done in my mind.....

Our commitment is to build through the draft to do that we need the picks.
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Agreed. I like Sage and love the stability that he brings, but this is the type of gamble that we need to take to make that next step. The thought of getting two third round picks and going from 2 to 4 first day players in the draft is exciting. Based on the track record, our front office could be bring in 4 impact players for next season.
 
I would trade for a second if we had a solid veteran QB back up ready to sign. I am not sure any available would be able to take over the reins as Sage has done. Sage may not be worth a second to another team but he is to Houston. Age, contract (2 years left at very cheap $) attitude and history in our system adds up to a keeper.

A Stewart or Mendenhall @#18, Anthony Collins in 2nd as your LT would offer Schaub a better season especially in the new ZBS. A CB in third such as Charles Godfrey, Colt Brennan QB in 4th and CB/FS Darnell Terrell will be your FS at 6'"2 203lbs and 4.43 speed in 5th round. I would be ok with that. Cowboy CB Jacque Reeves might be a solid pick up in FA.
 
Sorry, I didn't read all 10 pages but if you get a 3rd here it allows you to get a pick..either #73 or #82. I'd assume #73 since the Texans want a 2nd in negotiations. Then you have #79. It gives you the flexibility in moving up to Rd 2 if there is a guy that has dropped. It also allows you a value pick to use if another team wants to move up in the 3rd...maybe you pick up an extra pick.

Right now we are at a time where people expect playoffs. Not many QBs make it a full season but it doesn't mean we can't find another backup that isn't good in Kubiak's sytem while we get some value that can help us build the playoff roster. That's my take.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Andre Davis got paid 16 Mil to be our #2 WR and KR, and that is right in line with what #2 WR's make. You can argue that he isnt a #2, but someone else could argue that he is.:twocents:
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Well, I'd like to hear that argument.

Before AJ went down with his injury, Davis wasn't even on the active roster on gameday. When Johnson returned, Davis caught 10 balls for 142 yards and zero TDs. Those aren't #2 WR numbers, due to the fact that Davis wasn't the #2 WR when AJ was healthy.

I'm not saying that Davis didn't step up when Johnson went down. He did, with 23 receptions, 441 yards, and 3 TDs over those 7 games. He also came through when Mathis came up lame (again). Davis earned his new deal, mainly as a kick returner. Just goes to show the value NFL teams are currently giving impact returners. My point is that if your kick returner and backup WR is given a substantial bump in salary, your quality #2 QB is due some consideration.
 
Lucky said:
Well, I'd like to hear that argument.

Before AJ went down with his injury, Davis wasn't even on the active roster on gameday. When Johnson returned, Davis caught 10 balls for 142 yards and zero TDs. Those aren't #2 WR numbers, due to the fact that Davis wasn't the #2 WR when AJ was healthy.

I'm not saying that Davis didn't step up when Johnson went down. He did, with 23 receptions, 441 yards, and 3 TDs over those 7 games. He also came through when Mathis came up lame (again). Davis earned his new deal, mainly as a kick returner. Just goes to show the value NFL teams are currently giving impact returners. My point is that if your kick returner and backup WR is given a substantial bump in salary, your quality #2 QB is due some consideration.
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I didnt say I would make the argument :) Here is the other issue, the market dictates what you pay Free Agents and his salary is a little less per season than what some thought and right in line with what other WR's are going to make. The cap went up several million dollars so we all have to expect the salaries to go up too.

When Sage signed his deal there were alot of people on this board that thought we were paying him too much. And now we arent paying enough? I disagree. He is making almost 2 mil this season as a backup. that is prettty good in my book especially since he wont be on the field at all unless Schaub gets hurt.

In Davis' case he will be on the field regardless if AJ gets hurt or not.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Sorry, I didn't read all 10 pages but if you get a 3rd here it allows you to get a pick..either #73 or #82. I'd assume #73 since the Texans want a 2nd in negotiations. Then you have #79. It gives you the flexibility in moving up to Rd 2 if there is a guy that has dropped. It also allows you a value pick to use if another team wants to move up in the 3rd...maybe you pick up an extra pick.

Right now we are at a time where people expect playoffs. Not many QBs make it a full season but it doesn't mean we can't find another backup that isn't good in Kubiak's sytem while we get some value that can help us build the playoff roster. That's my take.
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New scenario, Sage is reported to be out for the season due to severe foot fracture (ala Yao Ming). What do you do to replace him?
 
badboy said:
New scenario, Sage is reported to be out for the season due to severe foot fracture (ala Yao Ming). What do you do to replace him?
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Or we pull a "Tejada trade"- Trade him for a 3rd or so, then a week later, reports come out the the Justice Department is going to question him about Steroids. Sage goes to prison and never plays a down for the vikings and we have their 3rd rounder. :thinking: LOL
 
I'm willing to bet, that no matter what happens over the next 2 seasons, we ever get a better offer for Sage. Don't forget that the last time Sage was traded it was for a 7th.
 
HOU-TEX said:
IIRC, Kubiak gave alot of praise to Shane Boyd last season. :cool:

Or.....Bradley Van Pelt's readily available
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I think Boyd is the back-up of the future, but I think he would really benefit from atleast another year as the 3rd QB.

Van Pelt will be cheaper then Sage as well.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I think Boyd is the back-up of the future, but I think he would really benefit from atleast another year as the 3rd QB.
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I think you're probably correct Hoth, but it sure would've been nice to have that extra 3rd for Sage. Truthfully, last night when I heard about the offer I wasn't sure what to think. It's kind of a double edged sword.
 
badboy said:
New scenario, Sage is reported to be out for the season due to severe foot fracture (ala Yao Ming). What do you do to replace him?
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The same as you would if you traded him, find a backup that can play the system. Holcombe or whomever else may become available as cuts are made. That or you groom a younger guy. In my book this is the first season where you can honestly say Boom or Bust. There is no slap on the butt, "good job for 8-8" again. Getting a 3rd for Sage would be big in my book. I trust Smith to do something with it. If Schaub goes down, it most likely is going to be a tough season as it is...JMO.
 
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