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What is Sage's value?--Sage Frustrated

For a 2nd Round pick, you make that deal yesterday. I wouldn't trade Sage for a 3rd Rounder unless Sage is sending signals to the Texans front office that he isn't happy as backup and wants an opportunity and will demand a trade.

I like Sage but I would rather have another 2nd Round pick and bring in some guys to compete for the backup job.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Vick goes down.........Schaub a memory.........no equally productive substitute..........wish I could'a, would'a
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There is no quarentee that Vick would have gotten hurt last year. The Vick/Schaub trade situation was odd, and one not likely to be repeated in the near future.

Teams that are going to challenge for a division championship need a good veteran back-up QB. Teams that are .500, and finished last in their division need an extra draft pick more then they need a good veteran back-up QB, espically when said team is already missing a 2nd round draft pick.
 
I think we should trade him. Sage deserves to start. Hes like 28 or 29, hes not getting any younger.

Besides, with the way we been drafting, we can pretty much expects atleast 4 new starters from the draft, and possibly 2 more pro-bowler type players if sage reel in that 2nd.

With that said pull the trigger when the times right Rick! Hold out for that 2nd, if it doesn't come take the 3rd and get another starter!
 
I think Kubiak and his system is what brought the best in Sage..

if I recall, when Sage came here some where kinda "eh" couldn't start in Miami with their horrible Qb's so.. "EH"

at least I was

Sage was very serviceable in Kubiaks system ..makes me think Kubiak can do it again with another Qb (EXCEPT for whom we dare mention his name)
 
J-Russ said:
I think we should trade him. Sage deserves to start. Hes like 28 or 29, hes not getting any younger.

Besides, with the way we been drafting, we can pretty much expects atleast 4 new starters from the draft, and possibly 2 more pro-bowler type players if sage reel in that 2nd.

With that said pull the trigger when the times right Rick! Hold out for that 2nd, if it doesn't come take the 3rd and get another starter!
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I believe Sage has had a chance to start before.

If this goes through, and I hope it doesn't, I bet Zabransky is brought back for camp and a chance to compete.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Zabransky signed with the Steelers recently.
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Really, I did not know that, thanks.

If this does happen, who do you think the Texans would bring in for TC, we would need at least two more QB's to compete for the back up role during camp. McCown? Trent Green?
 
Regardless if this trade goes through or not - we will probably be drafting a low round backup QB to groom as the dependable backup.
 
PapaL said:
Regardless if this trade goes through or not - we will probably be drafting a low round backup QB to groom as the dependable backup.
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I think Boyd is the guy being groomed to be the back-up, if we trade Sage I could see us signing on of the other FA QBs available to serve as back-up till Boyd is ready.
 
I would be ok with it, providing we grab a QB in the draft. Josh Johnson would be a good pick in the third. Athletic and has good accuracy.
 
if they are offering a 3rd now then surely we can get a 2nd or 1st later. there isn't a better qb available in free agency or the draft. i say hold out, worst case scenario is we have 2 qb's this year and do this again next year
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Brian Greise?
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Trent Green?

Honestly, I don't think we move Sage unless it's something that we are sorely missing that we get in return (2nd round draft pick).

This could also end up being a draft day trade.

As an aside: Hi fans from purplepride! :heart:
 
i love sage but all things considered, we should do this:

i believe sage has talent but i think kubes brought the best out of him (as he did with DC- sage>>>>>>>>>>>dc btw just for clarification) but you get my point

kubiak has often said sage wants to be a starter and with him becoming a FA next year.....
 
jaayteetx said:
Put me in the don't trade Sage camp also. Too valuable to have a guy come in off the bench and not lose a beat.
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And me, being the most important position of the field, you need as many good ones as possible, I can't remember a season such as last year when there were so many different starters at QB around the league. Although I don't agree with him starting I don't skip a heartbeat when he goes under center for us. A definite keeper.
 
b0ng said:
Trent Green?

Honestly, I don't think we move Sage unless it's something that we are sorely missing that we get in return (2nd round draft pick).

This could also end up being a draft day trade.

As an aside: Hi fans from purplepride! :heart:
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Just throwing out names in case we deal or back up who would we bring in to compete for a BACKUP spot. I don't want us to trade Sage, but if we do I hope it is for a 2nd. Even if we draft a late round rookie, we are going to need more camp bodies. And could we keep a rookie in a roster spot to back up Schaub. Clearly we need someone who can step in just in case Schaub gets banged up again.

Chris Simms? Anyone know if he has fully recovered from the spleen removal. He showed some real guts before getting injured and seemed to be doing pretty decent for a very young QB.
 
VIKINGS WANT TO PUT SPICE IN THEIR OFFENSE

With a quarterback who struggled at times in his first full year as a starter, the Vikings could be looking to bring in a little competition.

Or a lot.

Per Don Banks of SI.com, the Vikes are interested in Texans backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels. Rosenfels generated a passer rating of 84.8 last season, appearing in nine games. He was 4-1 and a starter.

Tarvaris Jackson was 8-4 as the starter in Minnesota last season. His passer rating of 70.8 barely put him on the right side of our patented Kordoza line.

Banks says that the Vikes have offered a third-round selection for Rosenfels. The Texans want a second-round pick.

Regardless of whether the deal goes down for a two or a three or not at all, the message to Jackson is clear -- one way or another, there will be competition for the starting job in 2008.
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http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Another source. Pretty much solidify the rumor.
 
I like Sage and think he was very important to the teams success last season. I would say no to a third and be torn if they offered more than that. I don't think that he is the kind of guy that would out right demand a trade but I also think that Kubes has enough class as a former QB himself to realize that he would be doing both the team and Sage a favor with a trade. If this or another trade goes down for Sage it would leave me concerned about our back up QB going into the season. I don't like the idea of a retread or a 3rd round rookie being our back up. I also don't think that the pick we would gain in a trade would be best spent on a QB. Don't get me wrong I like the idea of picking up another pick, especially if it is a 2nd, I just think we have bigger holes in the draft than back up QB.

I will live with whatever happens and I trust RS and GK.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
I believe Sage has had a chance to start before.

If this goes through, and I hope it doesn't, I bet Zabransky is brought back for camp and a chance to compete.
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Rosenfel's only chance for starter was with the Fins who ran the Marino offense (hard act to follow to begin with) without all the pieces, and unlike Marino, was not allowed to call any plays..........a far removed situation from the Texans. I think he only ended up starting 2 games and being allowed to throw less than 50 times in all.

Even old discarded veterans thought to be ineffective any more can find their niche in the right venue.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Rosenfel's only chance for starter was with the Fins who ran the Marino offense (hard act to follow to begin with) without all the pieces, and unlike Marino, was not allowed to call any plays..........a far removed situation from the Texans. I think he only ended up starting 2 games and being allowed to throw less than 50 times in all.

Even old discarded veterans thought to be ineffective any more can find their niche in the right venue.
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I agree, he really fits in well here and Kube's system. I thougth was the Fins were he played, not really a fighting chance it sounds like.
 
:wild: :wild: :wild: every1 think back to 2 years ago.................... david carr......

matt schaub was hurt for more then half the year we relly dont no how hes guna do......

so i say keep sageeeeeeeeeeeeeee for the sake of humaty:wild: :wild: :wild:
 
If the Texans could sign Kelly Holcomb or Todd Collins, then would you be OK with trading Sage for a third? These are two guys who have proven to be decent back ups... as a matter of fact, Holcomb is maybe THE consomate NFL back up... I'm pretty sure both are UFA, but haven't checked yet.

Is Holcomb+3rd Rounder > Sage?
or
Is Collins+3rd Rounder > Sage?

Thoughts?
 
michaelm said:
If the Texans could sign Kelly Holcomb or Todd Collins, then would you be OK with trading Sage for a third? These are two guys who have proven to be decent back ups... as a matter of fact, Holcomb is maybe THE consomate NFL back up... I'm pretty sure both are UFA, but haven't checked yet.

Is Holcomb+3rd Rounder > Sage? YES
or
Is Collins+3rd Rounder > Sage? And, YES

Thoughts?
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This team isn't good enough yet to be worried about having a top-flight back-up.
 
I would trade Sage & a 4th for a 2nd & Chester Taylor.

RD1 DRC
RD2 Nicks
RD3 Godfrey
RD5 Moffett
RD6 Zuttah
RD7 Silva

FA McCray, Traylor,Hadnot, Landon Johnson
 
steelbtexan said:
I would trade Sage & a 4th for a 2nd & Chester Taylor.

RD1 DRC
RD2 Nicks
RD3 Godfrey
RD5 Moffett
RD6 Zuttah
RD7 Silva

FA McCray, Traylor,Hadnot, Landon Johnson
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I don't understand where we put Chester Taylor. If we keep three backs: AGreen, Chris Taylor, and ???...

If Green's healthy, I prefer him to Chester. Whether Green's healthy or not, Chris Taylor is going to demand carries. With Chester Taylor, how do the carries get divided up? Either we get someone on the cheap as insurance, we get a stud (Turner), or we address it in the draft. That's what I think anyway.
 
dalemurphy said:
I don't understand where we put Chester Taylor. If we keep three backs: AGreen, Chris Taylor, and ???...

If Green's healthy, I prefer him to Chester. Whether Green's healthy or not, Chris Taylor is going to demand carries. With Chester Taylor, how do the carries get divided up? Either we get someone on the cheap as insurance, we get a stud (Turner), or we address it in the draft. That's what I think anyway.
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I don't really see how that is a concern. If you have Ron Dayne and an UDFA ending the season at starting RB two season in a row you acquire as many starting quality backs as you can and sort them out in camp.
 
After last season, from all signs to date, Kubiak does not seem to be sure if, with this offer, the Texans may be contemplating trading away their backup or their starter quarterback. Like it or not, there IS a quarterback controvery in Houston.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
Just throwing out names in case we deal or back up who would we bring in to compete for a BACKUP spot. I don't want us to trade Sage, but if we do I hope it is for a 2nd. Even if we draft a late round rookie, we are going to need more camp bodies. And could we keep a rookie in a roster spot to back up Schaub. Clearly we need someone who can step in just in case Schaub gets banged up again.

Chris Simms? Anyone know if he has fully recovered from the spleen removal. He showed some real guts before getting injured and seemed to be doing pretty decent for a very young QB.
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I'd say Todd Collins, or that other guy would be okay backups. Hell, even Billy Volek is an UFA this year. I don't know if I like the idea of trading Sage, but a coveted 2nd rounder (And beleive me, Kubiak has shown that he can make a decent 2nd round pick), oh god so torn :cry:

I don't think Chris Simms would really be worth the look. He's never fully recovered from having his spleen exploded.
 
Two thirds or a second gets it done in my mind.....

Our commitment is to build through the draft to do that we need the picks.
 
nero THE zero said:
I don't really see how that is a concern. If you have Ron Dayne and an UDFA ending the season at starting RB two season in a row you acquire as many starting quality backs as you can and sort them out in camp.
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Sure, but you can't get guys with big salaries if you're going to do that. I think Chester carries some pretty big salary numbers with him- though, we wouldn't be responsible for his signing bonus.

I just think that getting a draft pick makes more sense. We can start camp with AGreen, Chris Taylor, Darius Walker and a draft pick... perhaps getting a guy cheap like Derrick Ward makes some sense. However, reality is that we will only keep 3 RBs on the active roster. So, who gets cut?
 
You guys sure are overrating him. two-thirds? Chester Taylor and 3rd? For Sage?

Seriously guys. The Vikings are going over the edge with the 3rd more so a 2nd. Sage isn't worth more then a 4th IMO, the Vikings are just desperate.

We should take the offer before the chronic wears off their FO.
 
Well that didn't last long.
http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=1368

Word out of Houston is the Vikings and Texans have ended talks regarding a trade that would have landed quarterback Sage Rosenfels in purple for a third-round pick. It sounds as if the Vikings have spent much of the day exploring the possibility of adding a quarterback through a trade instead of signing one in free agency.
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The Vikings are now going to go after JP Lossman.

Missed oppurtunity in my mind.
 
I would lol @ a 3rd rounder. Minimum offer, IMO, would have to be a 2nd and a 5th.

I wouldn't even let him go for just a 2nd. Not now.
 
We got greedy....

I still think theres a chance, cept the Viking won't budge for more then a 3rd. We just need to lower our high standards.
 
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