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steelbtexan

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Oh yea absolutely and we saw it coming but having a bumbling owner, stumbling coach, a yet proven commodity at GM (yes I'm giving him a chance) a motivational pastor as your VP of FOs, throw in the continued disfunction day after day and it just reeks of a longer and more painful "regular" NFL rebuild. FFS I hope I'm wrong. I mean at least we have the best mascot......
Hope you're wrong too.

The minute Derrick got caught pulling his crap, that's when the rebuild started. There was no selling if we just add a couple of more pieces we can win a SB. That BS got thrown out the window.

This yr was about taking out the garbage and trying to add 5 or 6 guys that can play. (Mission accomplished) Next yr should be about taking out the rest of the trash and adding 4 guys (Including 2 difference makers) from the draft and a couple more KGH type FA signings.
 

thunderkyss

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Hope you're wrong too.

The minute Derrick got caught pulling his crap, that's when the rebuild started. There was no selling if we just add a couple of more pieces we can win a SB. That BS got thrown out the window.

This yr was about taking out the garbage and trying to add 5 or 6 guys that can play. (Mission accomplished) Next yr should be about taking out the rest of the trash and adding 4 guys (Including 2 difference makers) from the draft and a couple more KGH type FA signings.
Kind of. Caserio was “retooling” until Watson sat down with Culley. The purge started then. The rebuild will start with the next league year.
 

thunderkyss

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Which team hired both a good GM and a good HC this year?
So basically not going to happen anywhere in the NFL. At least it didn’t happen this off-season. The crappy teams hired crappy coaches & crappy GMs & they’re still crap.

let’s act surprised that it looks like crap in Houston because they didn’t do what none of the other crappy teams did.
 

76Texan

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So basically not going to happen anywhere in the NFL. At least it didn’t happen this off-season. The crappy teams hired crappy coaches & crappy GMs & they’re still crap.

let’s act surprised that it looks like crap in Houston because they didn’t do what none of the other crappy teams did.
I was just answering your hypothetical question.

I don't know if there's a team that hire both GM and HC this season.
It's really not a common event.

One I can think of was the Raiders in 2018 with Gruden and Mayock at the same time; but Mayock has never been anything close to a GM up to that point.

The Colts hired Ballard in 2017 when Pagano went 4-12.
They hired Frank Reich the next year, and that team went 10-6 the following year.
Ballard's drafting record has been deemed to be quite good for the long term.
If not for Andrew Luck's retirement, the Colts could have been a legitimate contender all this time.

The point is when you have both a good GM and a good HC, your team would definitely looks different than the Texans of late.
 

thunderkyss

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The Colts hired Ballard in 2017 when Pagano went 4-12.
The point is when you have both a good GM and a good HC, your team would definitely looks different than the Texans of late.
the point is that it never happens & you can’t ignore the state the team was in.

yes, I’m sure you can imagine lollipops & rainbows. But in the real world it usually looks like what we got. It’s the main reason most here & in the media & in Vegas had low expectations of the Texans for 2021.
 

76Texan

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the point is that it never happens & you can’t ignore the state the team was in.

yes, I’m sure you can imagine lollipops & rainbows. But in the real world it usually looks like what we got. It’s the main reason most here & in the media & in Vegas had low expectations of the Texans for 2021.
I'm not sure I get your point any more.
I asked for the verification about your hypothetical question .
You clarified that it included a good GM and a good HC.
I answered to that question and now you try to move the goal post?

There were people out there that were more qualified than both Caserio and Culley.
The Texans didn't hire any of them.
 

thunderkyss

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There were people out there that were more qualified than both Caserio and Culley.
The Texans didn't hire any of them.
To be clear, I’m making the same point I was making when we started down this rabbit hole.

it doesn’t matter. Whether we had a new GM (good or bad), new coach, with the roster Texans had to start the 2021 league year, it would look a lot like what we see now in Houston at week 13.

That’s not enough time to turn anything around.

Go back & look at the post I quoted.

Bad franchise run by a bad owner with a bad head coach with a roster full of bad players.
The circus has rolled into town
The three worst teams in the NFL last season are still among the 5 worst teams in the NFL & the other teams did not bring in a new GM & a new HC. Another team as bad off as Houston who did change GM & HC are the Lions & win-wise are worse than the Texans.

You mentioned the 49ers as a similar situation, but i argue they were a more talented team when Lynch & Shanahan took over & their “success” was short lived. You mentioned the Colts & Pagano & their 4 win season… supporting my point.

We don’t know how good a GM Caserio will turn out to be. We don’t know how good a HC Culley will be.

Objectively speaking the Texans don’t look much different than the Jags or Jets do at this point. Or the Lions or the Giants.

if you are arguing that all 5 teams failed to hire good GMs or good HCs or both good GMs & HCs, good luck with that.
 
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76Texan

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To be clear, I’m making the same point I was making when we started down this rabbit hole.

it doesn’t matter. Whether we had a new GM (good or bad), new coach, with the roster Texans had to start the 2021 league year, it would look a lot like what we see now in Houston at week 13.

That’s not enough time to turn anything around.

Go back & look at the post I quoted.



The three worst teams in the NFL last season are still among the 5 worst teams in the NFL & the other teams did not bring in a new GM & a new HC. Another team as bad off as Houston who did change GM & HC are the Lions & win-wise are worse than the Texans.

You mentioned the 49ers as a similar situation, but i argue they were a more talented team when Lynch & Shanahan took over & their “success” was short lived. You mentioned the Colts & Pagano & their 4 win season… supporting my point.

We don’t know how good a GM Caserio will turn out to be. We don’t know how good a HC Culley will be.

Objectively speaking the Texans don’t look much different than the Jags or Jets do at this point. Or the Lions or the Giants.

if you are arguing that all 5 teams failed to hire good GMs or good HCs or both good GMs & HCs, good luck with that.
I argued that this Texans roster wasn't devoid of talent last year.
I said that much during the off-season - that this roster was better than the 2005 roster, even without Watson.
I argued that Caserio is an unproven commodity, not a definite GM right off the bat.
And obviously most everybody would argue that Culley is not a good HC, especially since his track record was quite thin.

As for other teams, I don't know their situation roster-wise so I can't argue for them.
 

thunderkyss

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As for other teams, I don't know their situation roster-wise so I can't argue for them.
You don’t need to.

Fact, they were in similar situations to the Texans when the 2021 league year started.

Fact, they are in similar situations to the Texans now.

The point, it’s too early to expect any different from what we got right now. That doesn’t mean Culley & Caserio are doing a good job. Doesn’t mean they are doing a bad job.

This is what we expected, why are we complaining. That’s my point. & no, I don’t mean you are complaining, I’m talking to the guy I first responded to
 

76Texan

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You don’t need to.

Fact, they were in similar situations to the Texans when the 2021 league year started.

Fact, they are in similar situations to the Texans now.

The point, it’s too early to expect any different from what we got right now. That doesn’t mean Culley & Caserio are doing a good job. Doesn’t mean they are doing a bad job.

This is what we expected, why are we complaining. That’s my point. & no, I don’t mean you are complaining, I’m talking to the guy I first responded to
The thing is when I asked you to clarify about the GM and the HC, and you gave me a hypothetical good GM, my answer was that this team would look better.

That good GM would be able to hire a more qualified HC.

I expect that GM to carry another veteran QB like Dalton, Brissett, or Flacco and not drafting a 3rd project at QB.

Wouldn't you agree that the Texans would have looked better with any one of them instead of Mills?

And like I had mentioned, let's assume that the GM had signed some other OLs other than Britt / Cannon, whom I had said that it has a good chance to end up as a case of availability.
(The list of candidates was mentioned in the threads on Cannon and Britt.

That, too, could help the Texans look better than the current squad.

And like I said, they could have drafted a guy like Jalen Mayfield, who has now played nearly twice the number of snaps as Scharping.
After a couple of weeks needed to make the transition from tackle to LG, he's been doing better than any guy the Texans trotted out there. (He's the type of guy with a mean streak that will play until the whistle blow; not just a mauler as he has good feet and mobility for a guard.)

All those things were doable.

It you also add a couple of gems that I had mentioned, this team would look a whole lot better.
 

thunderkyss

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The thing is when I asked you to clarify about the GM and the HC, and you gave me a hypothetical good GM, my answer was that this team would look better.

That good GM would be able to hire a more qualified HC.

I expect that GM to carry another veteran QB like Dalton, Brissett, or Flacco and not drafting a 3rd project at QB.

Wouldn't you agree that the Texans would have looked better with any one of them instead of Mills?

And like I had mentioned, let's assume that the GM had signed some other OLs other than Britt / Cannon, whom I had said that it has a good chance to end up as a case of availability.
(The list of candidates was mentioned in the threads on Cannon and Britt.

That, too, could help the Texans look better than the current squad.

And like I said, they could have drafted a guy like Jalen Mayfield, who has now played nearly twice the number of snaps as Scharping.
After a couple of weeks needed to make the transition from tackle to LG, he's been doing better than any guy the Texans trotted out there. (He's the type of guy with a mean streak that will play until the whistle blow; not just a mauler as he has good feet and mobility for a guard.)

All those things were doable.

It you also add a couple of gems that I had mentioned, this team would look a whole lot better.
For whatever reason things don't go the way we plan. What you have there is very Maddenesque.

I can put together a handful of what ifs & paint a perfect picture of what this team should look like, or I can look around the league at similar teams this season, or teams in similar situations in the past.

I can't find an example of your lollipop & rainbow example in real life. So I'd rather not spend much time thinking about it.

What I do see, is example after example that says we shouldn't see much different than what we see after 12 weeks of year 1.

What I do see are the hardcover fans that make the time to invest their time on TT prophesying what we are seeing now 6 months ago.

I'm not going to go into who is or isn't qualified for a job I've never had to fill. Too many of the guys I thought would do well didn't make finish their first contract.
 

OptimisticTexan

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I’ve mentioned this in the past and I will once again.

Bob McNair, Cal McNair, Korn-Ferry Executive Search Firm (25+ Year Old Head Hunter Co) have proven one thing since inception…..they’re inept at identifying a successful NFL GM.

Cal, who has about as much NFL acumen as a bag of wrenches along with his “Culture Whisperer” should not be the guys to lead the next search for a Texans GM should Caserio shite the bed.

Bob wanted Caserio and couldn’t get him during his time. Cal finally got his Dad’s guy….supposedly with the help of OB and Easterby. Maybe they got it right, finally…..or maybe they’ve got it wrong. Bottom line, we as fans will just have to wait and watch this play out.

Personally, I hope Caserio ends this 20+ years of shear ineptitude. However, if Caserio fails and the team (Cal) must start this GM process once again…..Cal must first send his “Culture Whisperer” packing along with Caserio. Next, hire a highly successful NFL GM who has retired and ask them if they’d like to serve as his mentor or consultant in the next GM search. Third order of business, eliminate all association with the Patriots/Broncos South monikers and start planning on how the Texans will finally build their own NFL identity. The new mentor/consultant would need to help oversee the HC hiring process and the building of a coaching staff…..then hopefully be retained for a minimum period of 2-3 years to properly educate Cal on how to operate his very own Texans NFL organization.
 
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76Texan

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For whatever reason things don't go the way we plan. What you have there is very Maddenesque.

I can put together a handful of what ifs & paint a perfect picture of what this team should look like, or I can look around the league at similar teams this season, or teams in similar situations in the past.

I can't find an example of your lollipop & rainbow example in real life. So I'd rather not spend much time thinking about it.

What I do see, is example after example that says we shouldn't see much different than what we see after 12 weeks of year 1.

What I do see are the hardcover fans that make the time to invest their time on TT prophesying what we are seeing now 6 months ago.

I'm not going to go into who is or isn't qualified for a job I've never had to fill. Too many of the guys I thought would do well didn't make finish their first contract.
You can't find an example because nobody does it like the Texans.

All they needed is a GM with real experience on his own, and not under the shadow of a guy like Belichik and "protected" by a QB like Brady.
A GM that gives the fan a third round project QB as the only other option under center while claiming "what we do is to have competition on the roster" is a con man; pure and simple.
 

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How would it look right now if we had a new owner, with good coaches, & a roster full of bad players from the beginning of the league year?
It would look hopeful.

My exact thoughts. I'm so friggin' over this sh*t show. I guess I haven't checked out all together because I keep coming back here to see what new train wreck has taken place. What an embarrasment for a NFL franchise. Ownership has no shame.
"Who me?" lol

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Gotta go through the rebuild yrs. There's no getting around that once Derrick pulled his crap. Truth be told a rebuild was needed whether Derrick was here or not. Posters are complaining but there's a chance this team wins as many games without Derrick as they did last year with Derrick. So yes a painful rebuild was needed.
Look at the 2019 roster and look at the current roster. A rebuild is needed as the DIRECT result of terrible ownership decisions followed by incompetent people put in charge.

This crap never had to happen, but it does now because the owners are simply incapable of making good football decisions.

The 2013 most certainly quit on Kubiak
True, but the owners quit on him, as well. An owner dictating certain players start while ignoring the obvious need at QB - which Kubiak wanted to draft for years - is clearly a HC on an island. The players sensed it and Kubiak's health took a turn for the worse.

Wrong again

I actually like Kubiak and thought he was a good coach. Just not a great coach. He was a great QB coach and knew how to put an offense together. He was just way to conservative.
LMAO!! Your anti-Kubiak crusade is literally a joke these days. Do you ever take a break an self-analyze your diatribes? Perhaps compare it to, you know, REALITY?

Dude has FOUR championship rings at three levels of coaching and you still spew this utter nonsense? It's foolish.

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Well so far 4 defensive players has been suspended and to 0 offensive players.


What some people are not seeing is after Ingram was traded Cooks blasted his frustration and disagreement all over social media. And guess what he wasn't suspended. Therefore the offense gets a pass while defensive players are being suspended for anything doomed to be against team policies.
Well, we’re up to 5 as of today (granted one is a repeat offender). We put Club Hand out there, rather than our starter due to yet another “violation of team rules”. The defense gets to watch the offense implode again as well to add fuel to that particular fire.

Culley doesn’t have any particular credentials on the defensive side of the ball either.

I doubt today helps anything.
 

thunderkyss

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Well, we’re up to 5 as of today (granted one is a repeat offender). We put Club Hand out there, rather than our starter due to yet another “violation of team rules”. The defense gets to watch the offense implode again as well to add fuel to that particular fire.
Club hand is & has been the starting Mike from day 1.
 

Texansballer74

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Well, we’re up to 5 as of today (granted one is a repeat offender). We put Club Hand out there, rather than our starter due to yet another “violation of team rules”. The defense gets to watch the offense implode again as well to add fuel to that particular fire.

Culley doesn’t have any particular credentials on the defensive side of the ball either.

I doubt today helps anything.
If I'm Lovie, Culley and I would be having a very serious conversation behind closed doors. Crap is getting out of hand.
 
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Point is Cunningham & Kirksey don’t play the same position. Kirksey starting has nothing to do with Cunningham benched
It was kinda how the Chronicle presented it. At any rate Kirksey hasn’t been on the field... and hasn’t looked effective today.

To be fair, if Cunningham was indeed suspended for missing his COVID test, I can’t fault Culley for that.
 

OptimisticTexan

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He was supposed to be a cover LB. He can’t cover. He’s too small for SAM/MIKE. what kind of defense does his “skill set” fit?
5-7 YDS BEYOND LOS DEFENSE…..new concept but it was discovered Cunningham was far more effective at taking the runner down from behind. Attacking from the front came off as far too confrontational.
 

steelbtexan

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The defense isn't stopping the run so well. Stopping the run is his strongest asset. He should be playing MIKE.
Yeah, he's not very good at that either. Dragging a guy down after he's gained 5 yds seems to be what he does best.
 

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He was supposed to be a cover LB. He can’t cover. He’s too small for SAM/MIKE. what kind of defense does his “skill set” fit?
If you have a thumper like Mckinney and a stud NT to absorb double teams like Reader then Cunningham can be a solid run and chase LB. But so can just about every other LB in the league as long as they are kept clean.
 

thunderkyss

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So I was really disappointed with the job David Culley has done. 3-3 against bad teams. I shouldn’t have expected more, but still… a bit disappointed.

They beat the Titans in Tennessee I honestly put that game aside. Didn’t know what to think about it.

Now, I have to add this win over the Chargers, clearly the better team, both feeling the Covid-19 protocols… I don’t know what it is, can’t put my finger on it. But there’s something there.

For now, giving Culley a little credit, not sure if we’re in blind squirrel territory or what. But I’m intrigued
 

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So I was really disappointed with the job David Culley has done. 3-3 against bad teams. I shouldn’t have expected more, but still… a bit disappointed.

They beat the Titans in Tennessee I honestly put that game aside. Didn’t know what to think about it.

Now, I have to add this win over the Chargers, clearly the better team, both feeling the Covid-19 protocols… I don’t know what it is, can’t put my finger on it. But there’s something there.

For now, giving Culley a little credit, not sure if we’re in blind squirrel territory or what. But I’m intrigued
It should also put the tanking theory to rest. Yes sir this is very confusing. Why couldn’t we play like this in every game. Jokers messed up my entire season with this extra crazy stuff piled on the other crap that went in throughout training camp and etc.
 
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Mr teX

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It should also put the tanking theory to rest. Yes sir this is very confusing. Why couldn’t we play like this in every game. Jokers messed up my entire season with this extra crazy stuff piled on the other crap that went in throughout training camp and etc.
not confusing at all. The young guys are playing…or are playing better just due to getting reps and having learned from the vets……the schedule has lightened up tremendously from how top-heavy it was early in the season…& you’re getting an assist here & there from circumstance. Today it was COVID…when we beat the Titans, it was the weather.

Culley likely won’t be around to see this thing turned around, but he was never as bad as some here would have you believe. Likewise, he wasn’t a savior either. I think more than anything, he’s shown that he WAS as viable of candidate for the job as any of the other hot names. He knocked of another guy who was thought to be a better candidate than him today in Staley & currently has as many wins or more wins than most of these other guys who got gigs or were thought to be better candidates than him. & he did it with less talent.
 

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So I was really disappointed with the job David Culley has done. 3-3 against bad teams. I shouldn’t have expected more, but still… a bit disappointed.

They beat the Titans in Tennessee I honestly put that game aside. Didn’t know what to think about it.

Now, I have to add this win over the Chargers, clearly the better team, both feeling the Covid-19 protocols… I don’t know what it is, can’t put my finger on it. But there’s something there.

For now, giving Culley a little credit, not sure if we’re in blind squirrel territory or what. But I’m intrigued
I'm not really disappointed in the results. I wasn't expecting a whole lot of good to happen this season. Where I'm most unhappy with him is game management. Wasted timeouts, bad decisions, not even remembering what the situation was when asked about it, etc, etc, etc. So, that's the main area I want to see him improve. If he can't, he's not HC material.
 

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I'm not really disappointed in the results. I wasn't expecting a whole lot of good to happen this season. Where I'm most unhappy with him is game management. Wasted timeouts, bad decisions, not even remembering what the situation was when asked about it, etc, etc, etc. So, that's the main area I want to see him improve. If he can't, he's not HC material.
What gaffs did he have today?
 

Mr teX

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Fans here have been too quick to write him off b/c of a few bad moments early in the season and the fact that he had no fanfare, as an unknown guy coming out of nowhere. Reality is, when you take in the totality of everything he’s had to deal with, and the fact that he had nothing to really work with talent wise, he was bound to make some mistakes…like ALL 1st time HC’s have done.
 

paycheck71

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well obviously there was a reason he called it right?
I'm sure there was a reason. I don't remember the situation (doing other things along with watching the game), but they probably weren't ready for the play, O or D. I know they're bringing a rookie QB up to speed, so some of it is forgivable. But again, I want to see progress.
 

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I'm sure there was a reason. I don't remember the situation (doing other things along with watching the game), but they probably weren't ready for the play, O or D. I know they're bringing a rookie QB up to speed, so some of it is forgivable. But again, I want to see progress.
If his only fault is calling an 'unscheduled' timeout, he is making progress
 

Earl34

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Fans here have been too quick to write him off b/c of a few bad moments early in the season and the fact that he had no fanfare, as an unknown guy coming out of nowhere. Reality is, when you take in the totality of everything he’s had to deal with, and the fact that he had nothing to really work with talent wise, he was bound to make some mistakes…like ALL 1st time HC’s have done.
I've been catching a few of his weekly press conferences. When he tries to stick to the NRG company line, he stumbles or will make a nonsensical point or gaffe that you can pick apart. However, compared to BOB, his unassuming personality and honesty is a breath of fresh air. When he provides insight without the NRG culture talk, he seems to know what he is talking about.

BTW. I still laugh at the constant gum or tongue chewing. However, watching the Seattle game, Pete Carroll was chewing just as much gum as Culley. Also, as a kid, I swallowed more wads of gum than any kid should, maybe I shouldn't be laughing.
 

Mr teX

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I've been catching a few of his weekly press conferences. When he tries to stick to the NRG company line, he stumbles or will make a nonsensical point or gaffe that you can pick apart. However, compared to BOB, his unassuming personality and honesty is a breath of fresh air. When he provides insight without the NRG culture talk, he seems to know what he is talking about.

BTW. I still laugh at the constant gum or tongue chewing. However, watching the Seattle game, Pete Carroll was chewing just as much gum as Culley. Also, as a kid, I swallowed more wads of gum than any kid should, maybe I shouldn't be laughing.
I think its just more that he's found his leadership style as a HC is all. We saw Kubiak go thru it, who early on couldn't even look at critical FG's and was hiring all his ineffective buddies.....& we saw BoB not quite get thru it.......dude started out as a micro manager and got fired having become even more of a micro manager & control freak.

Contrary to what folks on here will tell you, noone but former HC's are actually "qualified" to be HC's b/c they are the only guys who have the experience & know what to expect. That's why so many of them are so much better their 2nd times around...They've learned what they need to focus on & what they can ignore. It's just a HUGE learning curve for anyone.....even the supposed more qualified OC/DC's. So with Culley i think early on, he was a bit overwhelmed with it all....trying to be on top of everything......which shouldn't have been unexpected for a 1st year HC.

I think since then he has learned what he can offload to others while also learning how to block out all the other white noise & focusing only on the important stuff that HE ALONE must be on top of at all times.
 

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That article tells me that Reid was never going to make Culley the OC or QB coach. And the assistant HC title was honorary. Reid sees Culley as a loyal position coach.

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I can see that. Maybe Reid doesn't believe the coordinator route is the route to HC. I mean the two coaches associated with Culley were not OCs or DCs. Andy Reid was not an OC. Harbaugh was not a DC. They were both position coaches, assistant HCs.

Still. The main reason I posted that was because it was said that Culley never wanted to be a HC & he's just thrilled to have been offered the job. It's clear here that just 4 years ago he was looking to better his career.
 

Lucky

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Still. The main reason I posted that was because it was said that Culley never wanted to be a HC & he's just thrilled to have been offered the job. It's clear here that just 4 years ago he was looking to better his career.
That doesn’t make sense to think that. Why would Culley be thrilled with an offer he never wanted?
 

Dejaview

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That article tells me that Reid was never going to make Culley the OC or QB coach. And the assistant HC title was honorary. Reid sees Culley as a loyal position coach.

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It’s standard coaching etiquette to allow staff the freedom to pursue their goals. That’s all.
 


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