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Week 7 GameDay Thread: The Greenbay Packers!
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Stroud has Slowik in his helmet but "trying to get to Ryans to discuss the play.."
Seems to me he's saying that he disagreed with the play called by the offensive coordinator.
DanielTx
Chosen one
Stefon “I don’t call the plays, idk what we was thinking as a whole but I mean, I just try to do my job”.
Another way of saying the final play call was a head scratcher. 3 big mistakes on the play. The obv not running out the clock, the 2nd was completing a pass short of the sticks and the 3rd was completing an out pass towards the sideline which would have stopped the clock anyway. Not going cut it. Clear textbook example of calling a play that doesn’t benefit your team in a game winning moment. I’ve been saying since the beginning of the season, Stroud is getting the training wheels treatment. If the goal was to score, give your star qb 3 downs to make a play. Cj can’t save you every 3rd down after you call 2 run plays. The bipolar playcalling might make us miss the playoffs.
DanielTx
Chosen one
I’m trying to be patient and yes we’re 5-2, I’m starting to think this coaching staff doesn’t have what it takes to get us over the hump. I look at the superbowl head coaches like Andy Reid and Bill Belicheck and I never see them smiling after a loss which makes me wonder, why does Demeco still smile in post game press conferences? If we were 2-5, would he still be smiling?
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
It’s irritating. How many times do we see CJ clapping his hands to hurry up the play to beat the clock? I’d like to also see them take more timeouts to avoid a wasted play. It seems they try to rush plays instead of taking the timeout and adjusting when they see something they don’t like.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps they think that a timeout has more potential value than losing 5 yards. IDK
How would we know? We're in new territory here, going where no Texans has gone before. It's probably going to look "wrong" until we get there.
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
I’d use a timeout if it helps the drive end in points vs punting. I’m not sure if anyone has charted it but it has been pretty obvious when the operation has been rushed (Stroud frantically clapping his hands at center after a last second adjustment) and I don’t recall one of these plays ending well.
badboy
Hall of Fame
When I am going anywhere, if things look wrong, I am going to stop and pull over until I know where I am going. Get it right and then can return to the journey. It is beginning to look like our coaches don't know how to get where they want to go.
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But we aren't driving, we're along for the ride.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Stroud is 100% a passenger in Slowick’s engine. So it’s like you want Stroud to grab the steering wheel from Slowick and potentially cause a fatal accident?
Lol.
It doesn’t work like that. Even in real life. If a guy won’t pull over and stop, you -have- to stay buckled in or jump out while it’s moving.
Bottom line… Stroud can’t be taking over the engine -during- the drive, he has to wait for the drive to -STOP- first. As long as Stroud stays buckled in… he’ll survive the impending accident but Slowick won’t. And that’s how it goes in the NFL.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Belichick didn't win a SB until his 7th year. Reid, 21 years. DeMeco is just in his 2nd.
DanielTx
Chosen one
Yeah but didn’t have a sb roster early on like Demeco has. Demeco in a similar position to Mike Tomlin, who won a superbowl in his 2nd season.
The Texans are the #2 defense right now. Not trying to over criticize this coaching staff but that’s why it’s important for new Hc’s to hire a former hc so that they can give you guidance in the early stages like now. I didn’t like the slowik hire for this reason. On the flip side, it’s a learning experience.
DanielTx
Chosen one
Maybe you’re right. Just think the coaching staff has failed this team so far. Did they evaluate players correctly in the preseason camps? Are they in regret about drafting a 1st round line men who’s been a bust and wants to prove to themselves they were right even if it means getting a franchise qb hurt?
Kenyon Green who’s ranked as the 78th guard out of 79 should have never been starting from day 1. In greenbay game, he finished with a pass block rating of 29.0, allowed 3 pressures, 2 hurries and 1 sack on 29 plays. No other Texans line men finished with a grade below 60.
I said when we first drafted him, this was a huge mistake. Linemen typically bench press the most at the NFL Combine, averaging 30–39 reps. Kenyon was in last place with 20. Picking him because he’s home grown talent was bs.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Tomlin won a Super Bowl with a roster who already had won a Super Bowl.
That is a big difference than having a team with Super Bowl aspirations.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
When DeMeco gets a SB roster then yeah. I haven't found any confirmation he has one of those yet. And the Texans might be #2 in yards allowed on D, but they're 17th in points allowed. And their red zone D is ranked 30th.
I also find it funny how most everyone was sweating losing Slowik this past offseason and now they want to feed him to sharks with laserbeams attached to their foreheads. Sure, there's times when playcalling seems to be an issue, I mean that last series of downs against the Packers made no sense whatsoever. But this OL, there's just too many times they don't seem to have a clue what they're doing. Might be that they aren't talented enough as well. That's got to put some heat on the OL coach(es) (have no idea who they are), and Nick has got to take some blame as well. Green looks to be a dud. The Howard extension was dumb. Is Juice a talent issue or is he not being coached up? Several things to look at before I go head hunting the OC.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Agreed. Stausser (OL coach) must go.
I’m only hating on Slowick NOW because I’ve never been fully on the Slowick bandwagon. I felt Stroud’s play overwhelmed Slowick’s playcalling abilities far too often. Especially last year. Some calls left me going “WTF! Did he just O’Brien that?”
DanielTx
Chosen one
Fans are on Slowik because we’ve added Mixon and Diggs and our offense looks like they’ve regressed. Multiple games were we’ve only scored 3 points after half time, 6 and 7 points as well. I don’t believe slowik should be let go just yet. To his defense, he has no control over Tank Dell dropping multiple td passes and the other drops by Schultz this season. I will say Bobby has looked lost, playcalling has been predictable and the 3rd&15 pass play is a fireable offense. Fans who talk crap doesn’t hate him, it’s high expectations considering who’s on this roster.
Your comments about this team not being superbowl contenders are funny. Texans were the most bet on team to win the superbowl. Sure, the question marks are there but the potential is there also. I expect changes to be made to this offensive line. Texans will finish with a top 10 offense and defense like they’ve been majority of this season. I can count 5 people in this organization that has either won a superbowl or been to it. This team will get hot at the right moment. Never count out #7
I'm from Pt Arthur, so I'm a big Jimmy Johnson fan. When he took over the Cowboys & they went 1-15 nobody would have thought they would win the next three Super Bowls. It did not look good, he did not look like a Super Bowl/Hall of Fame coach. But if not for that 1-15 I doubt he'd have had the conviction to do what needed to be done to win those three Super Bowls.
Same thing here. Sometimes, you got to get knocked the Funk out to appreciate the opportunity in front of you.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The Team has got to find an answer to the simulated pressure looks b/c DC’s are going to continue throwing that at them until they prove they can deal with it.
I also think Green HAS to be benched for this team to make any meaningful improvement on the o-line b/c he is just not getting it done. None of the guys are really finishing blocks..including the TE’s…and that speaks to coaching that will hopefully be addressed in the offseason…..But For all of the Tunsil and Howard hate on here, those guys aren’t just killing this o-line right now, it’s Green. He just doesn’t look like an NFL O-lineman in any facet of the game. All the d-line games and stunts…the blitzing from LB’s and DB’s…it’s involving him in some fashion which tells me defense know he’s there guy to expose and get after CJ.
I challenge anyone to sit and watch this dude from snap to snap. Watch how he looks. He’s awful.
I also think Green HAS to be benched for this team to make any meaningful improvement on the o-line b/c he is just not getting it done. None of the guys are really finishing blocks..including the TE’s…and that speaks to coaching that will hopefully be addressed in the offseason…..But For all of the Tunsil and Howard hate on here, those guys aren’t just killing this o-line right now, it’s Green. He just doesn’t look like an NFL O-lineman in any facet of the game. All the d-line games and stunts…the blitzing from LB’s and DB’s…it’s involving him in some fashion which tells me defense know he’s there guy to expose and get after CJ.
I challenge anyone to sit and watch this dude from snap to snap. Watch how he looks. He’s awful.
True, I'm usually an it's the players that win or lose games. But this loss was as much on coaching as it was the players. Not challenging the call before the Packers TD, not figuring out how to stop the same defenses the Vikings were running and the Packers were running the same stuff. This may require new ol playing, because you can't fix stupid. Turtling up on the 12 yd line etc....
I'm afraid of this being a case of you can't fix stupid. Green needs to be replaced. I'm sure Patterson and Kendrick understand the concepts of what to do to pickup stunts on a consistent basis
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
He could've challenged that lateral pass before the TD, i don't think there was enough there to overturn the call tho...i give him a pass for that one.
The playcalling on the 12yd line...sort of a pass there too. That was just great clock management by Lafluer. We ran it twice and he called TO immediately after each run both times to preserve as much clock as he could for his offense. 2, They knew we'd be running it on both of those 1st 2 downs to burn clock so they were ready for that defensively.........which is why those run plays went no where. 3rd down arrived and Lafluer's TO strategy saved them 1.48. Running the ball there to "force" them to use their last TO, that wasn't necessarily a guarantee to happen. Even if we run it, the most we could've run off the clock was 40-50 secs..... even if you count the FG attempt time. So no matter what, they were going to get the ball back with close to a minute or so left.................& these days on offense, that's more than enough time for them to march down & get into FG position, spike it and go for a GW FG.
You could maybe argue with the playcall being an out route...i would've liked to have seen something short & quick an easy for CJ to see if your guys can pick up the 1st..... or maybe an end zone shot if you insist on throwing it, but other than that....I don't think there would've been a material change in the outcome. I said it during the game that we'd likely left too much time on the clock.
The Packers knew they pretty much had a guaranteed reception in the pass game with whomever Ross was holding & they went to that match up time and time again throughout the game when they needed critical receptions. & that last reception they got against Ross before the FG attempt was just what they'd been doing all game.
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The main issues are
1. OL cant pickup stunts consistently, Green looks to be a bust, (It happens) Howard was a bad signing and I said so at the time. I've got hope for Scruggs, hopefully his issues are experience related and not intelligence related. Green and Howard fall on Caserio. The other thing this team is missing is speed at WR to stretch defenses vertically. Collins is the only WR on the team that threatens defenses vertically. With him on the IR the Texans offense is much easier to defend.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I'm sure Green does to, he just doesn't have athleticism to execute. I wouldn't be opposed to trying out Patterson or Kendrick Green in Kenyon's place at this point b/c a, they're both vets and b, they can't be much worse.
Kenyon is so bad he's giving me Xavier Su'afilo vibes right now...
They were on the 12 yd line call 3 pass plays using 3 or 5 step drops, if the play isn't there (One read) tell Stroud to get what he can with his feet or take a sack on all 3 plays. If you take sacks on all 3 plays because your read is covered then you will have lost about 10 yds while making the Packers use their timeouts and Fairbarin kicking a 40 yd FG. If the read is open on one of those plays you get the TD you're looking for. This isn't difficult. Slowik/Ryans just need to communicate with C.J. better.
He had plenty of athleticism in college. Wonder what happened to it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes Green has to be benched but he wasn’t the only one stinking up the joint. I seen Tunsil on several plays either get burnt off the edge or he flat out blew his assignment. Scruggs is also lost when it comes to picking up the stunts and Ive seen him get drove completely out the way so the MLB can get to the quarterback. Howard out there tripping over his own feet, he’s getting pushed back too freaking easy.
And have yall noticed what side Mixon is usually running through. The left side.
And have yall noticed what side Mixon is usually running through. The left side.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Scruggs and Mason are getting burnt by the stunts more than Green and Tunsil. All of them look lost on those stunts though.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, yeah no. CJ had 87 total yards passing....... for the entire game..15-20 of that came on that last drive where there were some really tight throws he converted on...we also couldn't protect him. We were also in the red zone...where defenses tend to get more agressive. So by doing what you're advocating here, not only do we potentially stop the clock each time if there's an incompletion, we also increase the risk for potential TO's...either via a sack fumble or an int...when we're already in position to put points on the board & go ahead with a FG. Sure Fairbarin is 1 of the best kickers in the game, sure there's a high probability that he still makes a longer FG if CJ takes 3 consecutive sacks like you're saying and loses yardage, but you don't wanna make it harder for him either. He had a chip shot already in hand. Furthermore, CJ's losing a helluva lot more that 10 yards if he takes 3 straight sacks...especially considering how much we operate out of the shotgun. The risks greatly outweigh the reward in advocating your strategy. Your defense has played a helluva game...take the points and put it on your defense....which they almost won it for us had Murray's bum ass came up with the int on Love's 1st throw...
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yep all true. But the guys coming off the edge aren't always on the tackles. Sometimes those guys are on the qb..as in a hot read. Furthermore, You'll get beat from time to time...which is what you're talking about with the others. The thing with Green tho is he's getting beat pretty much all the time. Look I'm not gonna pretend that i know what specific blocking scheme they're in all the time, but what i do know is that when 1 guy is off, it can throw off the whole protection scheme. & Green always seems to be the guy who is coming up empty on blocks...or is just getting blown up.....or is pushed back in CJ's lap. When those guys are blitzing off the edge, CJ's supposed to be able to step up in the pocket..most times he can't do that b/c Green's man is either in his face or Green himself is in his lap.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Different level up here. He was regarded as a mauler at A&M which is funny to me b/c i don't really see him stonewalling any of the big boys he faces on the d-line. when he's "mauling" someone, its usually a LB or a db on the second level. He has the athleticism moving forward, moving backward in pass pro, he's terrible.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Maybe a good start for WK8….just sit Green, insert Patterson at Center, and slide Scruggs to LG. See if this move makes any difference. If not, go back to the drawing board. If this move pays off, shift the focus to the right side. If Howard and Mason consistently provide little to no workable holes for the running game and Howard is still tossed around like a rag doll…..I wouldn’t hesitate to try Broeker and Fisher in WK9 or WK10. If the right side could suddenly become a viable option for Mixon, that could force defenses to change their strategy. Wouldn’t hurt if Stroud could scramble to his right on occasion so defenses are not absolutely sure that if they push the right side, they send CJ to the left (100%) of the time.
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Cj didn't have time to pass all game calling run plays there made sense. John Harris tweeted one of those plays where one block would have cleared a lane for Joe to get the 1st & maybe a TD. He talked to Demeco about it during the coaches show & DeMeco confirmed his take.
The only difference between your suggestion & what really happened was Cj trusting Tank to catch that ball. He should have taken the sack.
So I don't blame the playcaller but question what S2roud was thinking in that situation. The coaches shouldn't have to spell it out for him.
Difference is I don't care if he gets sacked because I trust Fairbarin to make a 40 yd FG.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
If I recall, they actually threw at Stingley on the last drive because he was playing soft. He must have learned that from the OL
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
Perfect example of situational football would be Frank Ross having Kaimi kick out of bounds unless he can have it fall inside the 5 because Ross knew they’d get it on the 25 instead of 30. Ross is a top tier ST coach. But you’d think offense/defense would be drilling the obscure situational football as well.
If anything it should be easier since there is more opportunities for offense/defense in games!
Nope you put CJ under center and run 3 step drops with only fades, slants from the wrs and Mixon in the flat. 3 step drops if Stroud got sacked at the longest depth of his drop without CJ picking up a yd which is unlikely would be a 41 yd fg. Again you don't throw the pass unless a guy is open. If he drops it you aren't any worse off than what happened unless they drop 2-3 passes, which is unlikely.Lol, yeah no. CJ had 87 total yards passing....... for the entire game..15-20 of that came on that last drive where there were some really tight throws he converted on...we also couldn't protect him. We were also in the red zone...where defenses tend to get more agressive. So by doing what you're advocating here, not only do we potentially stop the clock each time if there's an incompletion, we also increase the risk for potential TO's...either via a sack fumble or an int...when we're already in position to put points on the board & go ahead with a FG. Sure Fairbarin is 1 of the best kickers in the game, sure there's a high probability that he still makes a longer FG if CJ takes 3 consecutive sacks like you're saying and loses yardage, but you don't wanna make it harder for him either. He had a chip shot already in hand. Furthermore, CJ's losing a helluva lot more that 10 yards if he takes 3 straight sacks...especially considering how much we operate out of the shotgun. The risks greatly outweigh the reward in advocating your strategy. Your defense has played a helluva game...take the points and put it on your defense....which they almost won it for us had Murray's bum ass came up with the int on Love's 1st throw...
Texansballer74
The Marine
They should’ve put CJ in the shotgun, that allows him a little more time just in case the rush is coming. The route tree for the WR should have been quick slants on the outside. Also spread them out , that bunch formation wasn’t working and it put more defenders in the box.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah Love threw a slant on him too on that final drive that would've set them up for a 55-60 yard FG had they not advanced further. & playing off coverage was just what was likely called for in the defensive playcall.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol is this a Sean McDermott troll account? B/c he did exactly what you're suggesting with his offense 2 games ago against us and it proved to ultimately cost his team the game............ & he was subsequently eviscerated for his in-game management of the situation......as he should've been. Like....... literally he had his QB drop back 3 straight times to pass the ball with no success...which stopped the clock all 3 times for us & then punted & gave us a short field to where we didn't need hardly anything to march down into FG range and win it. His QB was ALSO under stress all game & just like CJ, had the worst passing performance of his career that day.
Yes what you're saying could've worked, but its one of those "in theory"things...hell you might even have some data on it that says you should probably do it.... like those go-for-it-on-every-4th-down nerds. but in practicality & within the flow of a game, its more in line with what you probably shouldn't do in a real live game management situation b/c it'll likely cost you.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I understand what you are saying, however if Stroud does not agree with Slowik on any play, I hope he does turn to Ryans for input.
No. In both scenarios Cj gets sacked.
Like I said getting sacked doesn't matter.
Totally different situations. Bills were backed up by their EZ. Texans were on the GB 12. Difference is you dont throw the ball if the guys not wide open. Take the sacks if not wide open and kick the FG.
Right. Everyone agrees with that.
Except you're asking him to take a sack on 1st & 2nd down... possibly.
Makes more sense to give it to Joe on 1st & 2nd. You end up with 3rd & 15 go ahead & throw it if it's there, or take the sack so the clock keeps running.
To me it makes more sense to run plays that have a chance to score a TD and if they aren't wide open take a sack and make GB use their timeouts than just running the ball up the gut knowing you aren't going to score, then throwing a clock stopping pass on 3rd down, leaving GB with a timeout.
Yes, throwing that ball on 3rd down didn't make sense. He should have taken the sack & let the clock run.
Check out this screen shot, scroll up & watch the video. They could have scored on this play. The run game was working & more likely to score than passing the ball that day.
LMAO. I see what you did there.