Nothing wrong with the play calling. Gotta stop turning the ball over.
Week 11: Arizona @ Houston
- Thread starter Texansphan
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Stroud made his fair share of mistakes yesterday.
OptimisticTexan
2023 / Rebuilding Block 3 / Go Texans
The good, the Texans won a game they could’ve easily have lost. As for Stroud, he’s not the first NFL QB in history to have a bad game yet walk away with a win.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Well THAT should make him a quality backup...
badboy
Hall of Fame
That's like comparing back up toilet paper to others back up toilet paper. It's good to have yours but doesn't make the you know what feel any better.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
For the most part… this was a good game by the Texans. I mean Stroud’s 3 INTs came along with 340 yards of passing to go along with 2 TDs… annnnnnnd he was -ready- to storm downfield had Arizona scored in the final seconds. Sure we have to protect the ball but we’re moving it. Yes there were some questionable play calls… but it wasn’t as bad as some of yall are making it to be. I don’t like slow developing run plays when we need to be going for the jugular for example.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I see many calling this an "ugly" win - but realistically, it was just unimpressive. Minor difference, but objectively, a win in the NFL still looks the same on the win/loss column.
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
I disagree. It wasn’t as exciting as the previous 2 games, but impressive (to me) that we came up with a big defensive stop and walked off the field with a W.
In the past, that hardly ever happened when we made so many mistakes in the red zone.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Make no mistake, I am over the moon we won the game but some aspects of the effort left a little to be desired.I disagree. It wasn’t as exciting as the previous 2 games, but impressive (to me) that we came up with a big defensive stop and walked off the field with a W.
In the past, that hardly ever happened when we made so many mistakes in the red zone.
I'm just not a rainbows and pink unicorns guy.
I'm sure the coaching staff saw the good, the bad and the ugly and will continue to coach them up.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And guess what? He had a darn good first half and he still threw for 300+ yards. Not only that, he made a skit load of good throws.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I don’t know. I was repeatedly impressed by several things.
The TD pass to Dell was a thing of beauty to watch. Sheer perfection. Same with the Schultz sliding TD and that 3rd and long where Collins came up with the catch. Defensive Sacks. Stops on 4th down. Etc etc.
There was plenty to be impressed by. I know what you meant though… I think. I do like the “ugly” win reference.
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
Oh, I am the negative nellie during the games (I’m a gal) and my husband is always so much more upbeat than me. While I am muttering “we’re going to lose this game” ….. almost every game LOL. He is telling me we are going to pull it out.
But I am 64 and at age 19 would drive to Houston from A&M to drink beer with my Dad at the Astrodome during the Luv Ya Blue days and Earl Campbell. I still have my Columbia blue handkerchief from one of those games. Yes, the drinking age back then got lowered to the draft age.
So……. long suffering Oilers fan who couldn’t get past the Steelers……. to not-quite-as-long suffering Texans fan still rooting for my team.
I am over the moon also at how lucky we are (FINALLY!!!) to have a fearless QB like Stroud.
He reminds me of Brett Farve who had way more interceptions than Stroud but was fearless and kept on slinging it. That attitude will make up for the picks!
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
My 2 favorite plays from the game!!!
Schultz sliding on his back untouched for a TD (still makes me laugh) and Dell grabbing the TD pass that Stroud improvised and signaled for him to go long. Picture perfect!
Wasn't it called once or was that in a different game? One game Sunday had an offensive facemask penalty by the runner
Number19
Hall of Fame
The play I recall, it may have been Greenard, and a player who had a shield as a face guard. Greenard's hand incidently brushed across the face shield, not deliberately, and the flag was thrown. With the shield, there was no grabbing.
The other play I recall is the Cards big runner slamming his hand into the helmet/face of one of our DBs, a legal stiff arm. But the DBs neck was impacted far more violently than Greenards incidental contact.
I only watched the Texans so didn't see the offensive face mask.
It was in the Denver vs Vikings game:
2nd & Goal at MIN 8
(11:52 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to M.Mims pushed ob at MIN 5 for 3 yards (M.Blackmon). PENALTY on DEN-M.Mims, Face Mask, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 8 - No Play.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Regardless of why they are a tougher team to beat than their projected to be doesn't matter. We were far from the first team to win a hard fought tough game against them and while being well coached is a big part of it I doubt they are as devoid of talent and many think they are!
They aren't devoid of talent and have a chance to win most games. They've gotta decide if Murray's their guy and regardless improve the talent level on the IOL and throughout the defense. Their defense is where the Texans defense was last yr.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
It would seem that three interceptions would say he had a bad game but statistically, "outside of those interceptions", he really did not have a bad game. Of course had those interceptions come back to haunt us "stats be damned," we would for sure say he had a bad game. It really boils down to the overall outcome as to how many people view CJ's performance. We could say the defense bailed CJ out when most Qb's who turnover the football three times lose or we could say that the defense came up big but CJ also played well enough to overcome his mistakes. No matter how good a defense plays, when your Qb turns the football over three times and your team doesn't capitalize on opportunities, you usually lose. Many Qb's fall apart and lose focus when they throw one interception let alone three. CJ kept throwing the ball down field with no hesitation and was not phased by his mistakes. A lot of starting Qb's would have been pulled from a game in which they threw three interceptions!
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Dont overlook in victory what you wouldn't overlook in defeat.
He will learn from his mistakes, but he had a bad game.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
To me a bad game would have been if his completion percentage had cratered and he totally fell apart. By most standards you could say throwing three picks is a bad game but I cast a wider net than that. I say he was adequate but not bad in spite of his mistakes. I do give the defense credit for playing a big role in us winning but having seen Qb's fall apart when they make mistakes I say that CJ's mental toughness and focus beyond those mistakes is why I don't think he had a bad game. I give him a grade of C!
I hope he believes he had a bad game. I like what he said, "shooter's gonna shoot" But he knows he left points out there, gave some away.
If he is who we think he is, he knows he's got to play better.
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TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Of course he needs to play better and by the standards he has set for himself there is no doubt he had a bad game. His bad game however would be considered good compared to other Qb's. Other Qb's who throw three picks usually have terrible completion percentages. He still completed quite a few passes. You dang well better believe he needs to play better next week and I am sure he and everyone with any sense at all knows that but just from my perspective his bad game compared to other Qb's bad games leaves no room for comparison!
I would say your net is to wide.. 3 ints in a game is a bad game. What is encouraging to me is he screwed up against Cincy but was money with the game on the line. While he still has plenty of things to learn (Gannon fooled him a couple of times) you can't teach the ability he showed against the Bengals.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Fair enough. Well said.
Texansballer74
The Marine
CJ did not have a bad overall game. All because he made some mistakes doesn’t mean his game was bad. He did more positive than negatives.
Would you think the same if we were playing that ole' defense we used to play?
We've had that for 3 years. I'll take this stress over no stress.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Honestly, I base my current opinion on how other Qb's react to mistakes and all aspects of their games turn to s***. I like CJ's never ending confidence and moxie! Yes he threw 3 int's but he continued to complete plenty of passes and didn't misfire on a ton of them! By that standard he didn't have what I would call a bad game. However I get that for most people three int's is a bad game. I will just agree to disagree with the masses!
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Yeh, Stroud is a gunslinger. No one, including himself, wants to throw 3 ints, but it doesn't faze him and he just keeps slinging it. His style and moxie is exciting ball.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I love that winning type stress.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Stingley sucks!