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Weakest Position?

The discussion was giving me a headache, but its not like people will actually listen to me, (When has a Carr thread EVER stopped because someone asked it to?) I can't even finish the new Carr Thread. (Couldn't make it past page 4 even though some of it was quite amusing and I wanted to comment but I don't comment unless I read a thread in entirety)
 
Vinny said:
I thought this was a thread about the weakest position on the team currently? Start a new thread if you want to turn it into a 2007 draft thread.
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Wow...who made YOU mad ??
 
Brandon420tx said:
The discussion was giving me a headache, but its not like people will actually listen to me, (When has a Carr thread EVER stopped because someone asked it to?) I can't even finish the new Carr Thread. (Couldn't make it past page 4 even though some of it was quite amusing and I wanted to comment but I don't comment unless I read a thread in entirety)
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Yeah...nobody is going to listen to you...especially not the guy with the giant pot in his avatar
 
I'm gonna take Vinny up on his suggestion and make a poll on next years draft, that way we get to see pretty percentages (Yay) Should I make the O-line 1 part of it or spread it out into T, G, and C?
 
Vinny said:
nobody...I'm not mad at anything. My being angry is only in your mind.
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Well, whatever you are....your post are coming across in an upset tone...but maybe it's just me...
 
My answer to the literal original question asked on this thread is linebacker ... for all the reasons already mentioned by Vinny and others (no real middle linebacker on the roster that I can see).

That said, and stretching the question just a bit, my answer would be depth. Our starters along with our coaching and game plans will make us competitive with almost anyone this year IMO but we are very questionable beyond them at many positions.

What if AJ, DD, CC Brown, Ryans or God forbid Drob went down? And with Mathis out, I don't have a clue who is going to return kicks or back that guy up.

The good news is that last year my list of depth concerns would have included QB, TE, 3 OL, and 1 DL.

Go Texans...kill'em all and let the paramedics sort it out! :redtowel:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think that's making putting an unfair restriction on it. If the guy wasn't good enough to get off the bench or not is irrelevant. The comparison should be made on the first 4 years in the league. Period.

And making it about ANY statistical category is also just BS.

I think if you look at the stats objectively, there are a lot of quarterbacks that had great careers but who didn't do well (statistically at least) the first 4 years or so.

I mean, look a Bradshaw's numbers. You're giving him a pass on his second season when he broke the top 10 in attempts, completions, and yards but that year he threw 13 TD's and 22 interceptions. If Carr had those numbers, you'd be all over him for that and wouldn't be bringing up anything about statistical categories.
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No. I would be all over Carr for being a loser.

ANY statistical category only puts emphasis on how miserable Carr has been.
Carr has shown nothing in any category against his peers, while just about every other QB in the same category has ...in some way or another.

Bradshaw was 11-3 in his third season.

The restriction is not for riding the bench, it's for opportunity to show what you got. Guys that were on the bench were deemed not ready to start. David Carr was.

I am not giving him a pass either, what I am saying is that he showed SOMETHING, some small glimpse of what he was capable of to warrant being a starter in the 75 to 80 dynasty years. Carr has not.

Bradshaw is a guy that I had to be force feed into understanding how great he was. So to say I would give him a pass on anything would be a stretch.

That second season of his ( Bradshaw ) he was tied for tenth in the NFL for TDs.

Carr has absolutely no production whatsoever to show for his 4 years in the NFL as a starter. None. Everything is mediocre to bad. These other guys all have something, something that put them at the top, in the elite QBs of the league at some point. Carr notta.

That's a weakness.

Any QB that has poor stats, has wins. One or the other. Stats or wins, and the best have both.
 
humbleone said:
What if AJ, DD, CC Brown, Ryans or God forbid Drob went down? And with Mathis out, I don't have a clue who is going to return kicks or back that guy up.
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Yeah, I know, our safety play without CC Brown sounds painful. And overall our secondary has little depth.

If DD went down I think we lose atleast 400 rushing yards for the entire year. We have some people that could step in and get yardage, but not really a player who can consistently run for 100 yards a game.

I'd be more upset if Ryans gets injured because then he loses very needed experience (I think we are all hoping he will become one of our starting linebackers for the next 5 years if not more).

Buchanon should return kicks (he better, if he doesn't play well at CB this year, this is going to be his main job).

Depth is a big weakness this year, but I think it was worse last year. I thought our whole team needed depth last year, some of the biggest were some of the ones you listed. Kubiak has been doing a pretty good job with that, knowing him, he'd probably want to draft a bunch of players and teach them his system.
 
TwinSisters said:
The restriction is not for riding the bench, it's for opportunity to show what you got. Guys that were on the bench were deemed not ready to start. David Carr was.
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Who says he was ready to start? Dom Capers? Ok. That means alot to me. In any situation, Dom Capers is the last person I would ask for football advice.

TwinSisters said:
ANY statistical category only puts emphasis on how miserable Carr has been.
Carr has shown nothing in any category against his peers, while just about every other QB in the same category has ...in some way or another.
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There are so many reasons for this including coaching, players he has played with, scheme etc.

I dont think you can compare quarterbacks by putting stats up. If they are blatently obvious stats like Peyton Manning has thrown 33000 yards in his career, yes, you can obviously make the assumption that he is a good quarterback. But you can't compare him to other quarterbacks based on stats only.

How many of those quarterback's teams were as bad as Carrs'. What about their situation with their coaches? Every quarterback has a different situation, alot of the time, that dictates how well they show up in the stat column.
 
TwinSisters said:
Bradshaw was 11-3 in his third season.
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No. The Steelers were 11-3 in Bradshaw's third season. That was not because of Bradshaw and his 12/12 TD to Int ratio or his 47% completion rate.

TwinSisters said:
The restriction is not for riding the bench, it's for opportunity to show what you got. Guys that were on the bench were deemed not ready to start. David Carr was.

I am not giving him a pass either, what I am saying is that he showed SOMETHING, some small glimpse of what he was capable of to warrant being a starter in the 75 to 80 dynasty years. Carr has not.
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Carr did what was asked of him. That's the problem. He did what Capers asked him to do.

TwinSisters said:
Bradshaw is a guy that I had to be force feed into understanding how great he was. So to say I would give him a pass on anything would be a stretch.

That second season of his ( Bradshaw ) he was tied for tenth in the NFL for TDs.
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Have you really, really looked at those stats from Bradshaw's second year? I mean, really? He threw 13 TD's in 14 games. And he threw 22 picks and you're talking about that as some sort of Achievement that Carr hasn't matched? Carr has thrown for 16 TD's in a 16 game season and he didn't throw 25+ interceptions, so is Carr better than Bradshaw? Oh, right. That's right. The whole reason the Texans win or lose is because of Carr and all the rest of the players are irrelevant. So because our record isn't as good as the Steeler's record, Carr is worse than Bradshaw. I keep forgetting that. :sarcasm:

I can't believe that you're using Bradshaw's early career as some sort of example that Carr should aspire to.
 
After two games it is very clear that we need another Stud CB, FS and one outside linebacker to go along with Demeco Ryan next year. We also need another stud DT who can push the pocket and replace Seth Payne in line up.


Presently in our first two games our front 4 are not able to get the job done and are not able to put any kind of pressure on the opposing team.


On offence we have most of the pieces already and all it requires is that they need some more experience working together as one unit. Its really a shame what happened with Spencer because he really needed this year to learn and grow. I really like to see work horse Adrian Peterson get drafter by us if we are in a position to draft him or some one like that in the up coming draft if our current running back doesn't get the job done this year or show some promise of such. This will help us control the line of scrimage and help us move the chain.
 
dbspi said:
After two games it is very clear that we need another Stud CB, FS and one outside linebacker to go along with Demeco Ryan next year. We also need another stud DT who can push the pocket and replace Seth Payne in line up.


Presently in our first two games our front 4 are not able to get the job done and are not able to put any kind of pressure on the opposing team.


On offence we have most of the pieces already and all it requires is that they need some more experience working together as one unit. Its really a shame what happened with Spencer because he really needed this year to learn and grow. I really like to see work horse Adrian Peterson get drafter by us if we are in a position to draft him or some one like that in the up coming draft if our current running back doesn't get the job done this year or show some promise of such. This will help us control the line of scrimage and help us move the chain.
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D.Rob counts as the "other" you talk about?:yawn: :cool:
 
Its still early but I would love to see a star feature back lining up in the Texans backfield.Other then that I see a complete shake up on defense with as many a 7 new players and new DC...I think atleast 2 players could be drafted for defense..:brickwall

Hopefully we can salvage the very best of the best but this year is time for these players to **** or get off the pot..I know theres talent on this defense and we have the whole year to find out who fits and who don't..
 
lod01 said:
Do you want to make it to the playoffs yet again, the Superbowl? Then the weakest position is obviously QB because there is no way, EVER, that Carr is going to take this team there. EVER.
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Considering the caliber of QB's that have made it to the Superbowl, this statement is insane. You don't have to have a very good QB to make it to the Superbowl and Carr isn't THAT bad.
 
I bumped this thread to show you how our predictions have been. In this thread we discuss our weakest position and things have gone a different way than most of us have expected...although most of us were right about the weakest positions.

Now I ask, again, what do you guys think our weakest position is. We are at the middle of the season. When I started this thread it was before the season started so I am asking after 8 games.

I think it is safety, we have been bad in coverage all year. Second I would go with LB because we can't stop the run in key situations, and we seem to lose against teams that run well almost every time. Third I would say depth and talent in the O-line, we need guys who can pass block and run block both with efficiency.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I bumped this thread to show you how our predictions have been. In this thread we discuss our weakest position and things have gone a different way than most of us have expected...although most of us were right about the weakest positions.

Now I ask, again, what do you guys think our weakest position is. We are at the middle of the season. When I started this thread it was before the season started so I am asking after 8 games.

I think it is safety, we have been bad in coverage all year. Second I would go with LB because we can't stop the run in key situations, and we seem to lose against teams that run well almost every time. Third I would say depth and talent in the O-line, we need guys who can pass block and run block both with efficiency.
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I think you are pretty much "Right On". Safety, Outside Linbacker and the O Line (Tackle and center in my opinion) are the positions I would like to see addressed in the '07 draft. :twocents:
 
DB, DT, OL, RB

We can't cover a soul. Daunte has not looked very good in recent weeks. At the very least, he has not played up to his potential. We need another lockdown corner and a hard hitting safety.

The defensive interior is also a concern. We can't generate much of a pass rush without help through the blitz. Seeings as we don't blitz that frequently because of our secondary, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. We do not stop the run with our interior guys at all. Travis Johnson has played better this year, but is far from elite.

The Oline needs to be addressed, but already has somewhat with the two rookies drafted this year. Another year of maturation and they will be improved.

With DD not anywhere on the horizon, this becomes a need for next year.

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It will depend a lot on where we finish. If things continue to go sour, we could be looking at a #3 pick. If so, Adrian Peterson is the guy to get.

Other names to dream about:
Joe Thomas - OT, Wisconsin
Jared Gaither - OT, Maryland
Antoine Cason - CB, Arizona
Marcus McCauley - CB, Fresno State

Matt Schaub is going to be a free agent. Depending on how David Carr finishes up the season, he could be a guy to persue. Michael Turner from San Diego is also a guy we will hopefully consider as well.

Too early to project, but after voting this morning, I have time on my hands!:redtowel:
 
DT, CB, C, T

I'd like to see us pick up an experienced CB in free agency this offseason - someone who can top the depth chart and let D-Rob get back to doing what he does best at #2. Asante Samuel looks like he'll be available - he'd do nicely.

Same with Center - a solid, experienced guy who can step up and anchor the O-Line would be great.

For the draft, a big, hard hitting DT (although I'm starting to like the look of Maddox) and an OLB with the speed to cover the run.

We're weak across the O-Line, particularly at tackle, but Winston is showing some promise and Spencer has a lot of potential. I don't think more rookies are the way to go here.
 
Does anyone have an update on DD? I've heard a lot of whispers that he's not coming back but nothing solid. What's the story?

I like elements of both Lundy and Gado. Dayne obviously sucks, but Gado has serious breakaway speed once he gets past the first tackle and Lundy might serve as a good #2 for our starter - whoever that may turn out to be. If DD isn't coming back then RB is a major concern. Wali's alright, but he does leave a lot of yards on the field (to steal a quote).

What's this year's rookie RB crop looking like?
 
Although I agree with the positions everyone here is picking, (OL, DL, DB, RB, OLB), I just don't have a good idea yet for what will be available in FA or the draft. Depending on DD's situation and what Lundy can do the rest of the year, Kubes may just go for a RB in the 1st round. I'm just not sure Peterson (sp?) is the answer. I don't know if he is durable enough.

As for the OL, depending on who will be available during FA, I think we still have to address this in the draft, due to the age of Wiegert, McKinney, Flanagan, and Salaam. If they can get a 4 to 5 year starting tackle or guard in FA, then maybe pick up a RT or C in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft. JMHO!
 
Offensive Line
Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin (6-6½, 313) -Huge, quick and athletic with a long wingspan.

--Highest ranked OT in the coming draft

Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan (6-5½, 300) -He's a former tight end who has developed into a natural left tackle. Staley brings incredible footwork, athleticism and agility to the position.

--might be a perfect fit for what Kubes is looking for in a OT

Defensive Backs
Leon Hall, CB, Michigan (5-11, 193)-Tough customer who also shows very good anticipation and awareness in coverage. Hall leads the Wolverines with three interceptions.

LaRon Landry, DB, LSU (6-1½, 205)-Four-year starter who has proven to be Mr. Reliable throughout his career. Landry leads LSU with 25 solo tackles

Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno St. (6-0½, 200) -He has the size and speed (4.33 40-yard dash) with outstanding coverage technique.

Daymeion Hughes, CB, California (6-0, 187) -Big-play cornerback for the Golden Bears. Finished strong in 2005 and it has carried over to this season. Hughes has seven interceptions in eight games, which is tied for second in Division I-A.

Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame (5-11½, 212)-An aggressive ball hawk who brings a swagger to the Irish's defense. A true play-maker who also excels as a punt returner. --could be a nice hard hitting combo next to Earl and lord knows we need a PR

--All look like soild young DBs

Defensive End
Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson (6-4½, 260) -Flashes dominating ability with his athleticism and quickness. Adams leads the Tigers with 9½ sacks

--Yes, I say why not get two young promising DEs. Pair him opposite Williams and have a pass rush from hell

LB
Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn St. (6-1½, 235)-A productive and consistent player who studies and prepares as thoroughly as anybody.

--Maybe he will fall in the draft and we can get him late

Buster Davis, LB, Florida State (5-10, 242) -Rock-solid player who is a shorter version of Ray Lewis.

I say we also try and find a Home-Run-Hitter in a Slot WR in the draft in the late rounds, much like the Saints did with Colston
 
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