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Weakest Position?

U4ikrob said:
Sounds familiar in some parts to DC and the Texans - but you cant stop @ 4 years. If memory serves that Oilers team was really REALLY bad - 4 bad seasons & 3 diff coaches including two 1-13 seasons. Not trying to "Church up" Dan's performance, but he didnt have much to work with on the team at all. He split time alot at QB too including his first year and then later because of injuries. The Oilers kept changing things all the time. He basically had one good receiver in Joiner, then Burroughs and later Johnson. They had an avg defense with a few standouts - Alot of RB by committee approach all while changing schemes and coaching staffs proved not very good for the Dan ' the man'

That stuff sounds real familiar...

But Dan also managed to be in the top 10 in pass attempts and completions twice during those first 5 years and in his 5th year went to the Pro-bowl [his first year with Bum coaching] a few years of mediocre playing until 78 when he took the team to a 10-6 record and the playoffs when they switched to 16 games with Earl going all the way to the Division championship game before losing to Pitt.
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No, Dan was a better QB then Carr in his first four despite having back to back 1-13 seasons. Or yes, Dan developed faster even with the bad coaching and offensive line ( depending on what you are saying ).

I have to go back and look at the charts to see if the staff was changing so much.

alright:
Dan still had the inferior coaching staff when he made his first mark in his 3rd season ( something that Carr has not done ). When Gillman showed up, the Oilers started to turn around. Yes, the Bum was on the staff at this time also. Gillman walked off after the 74 season because he wouldn't coach for Adams. That 75' season and that defense that Bum put together was what vaulted them into being a good team. Earl came later and made them into a great team.

But the point of bringing up Dan and Jim Plunkett was to look at whether or not being good looking had any bearing on whether or not you played or didn't play.

If you look at Jim Plunkett his stats were better then Dan Pastorini and his team was still losing... but not as bad as the Oilers. Plunkett gets hurt and he is traded, while Dan keeps his starting job.

He rides the pine in Oakland behind Stabler until 1980. He doesn't get another shot to start until Pastorini shows up at Oakland and breaks his leg. ( or whatever it was... I think Pastorini broke his leg. Some type of season ending injury whatever it was)

#1 over all Heisman winner that doesn't get the job over Pastorini? Gets traded and passed around? I don't know... I think being ugly has something to do with it. Maybe in other positions it doesn't matter that much, but at QB that seems to be a factor.

How many ugly QBs can you name? Not many. In any other position, I can easily think of about 50 ugly players ( minus kickers/punters, simply because I don't know if I could name 50 kickers and punters though ) Quarterbacks... well that's different. Nobody likes to have an ugly quarterback leading the team.
 
How about the O line guys...suppose one of the two guys we drafted this year turns out to be a starter and the other a back up...I think we still need a guard or two to start learning the system. I think for now Flanagan will do his job at Center unless he gets injured. But I still think the O-line, for now, is a weakness on the team. Depending on what happens this season, I see us going to another O lineman next year before the 4th round.
 
Wonger, personally it does not matter if you ever trust in D. Carr. As long as he can perform and start winning games we are fine.
 
If he performs then we are fine, if he does not then we made a mistake and have to go find another signal caller, but you look at his talent and the decisions he has made while in an unfriendly system and as you(someone I think knows football) can see that Carr is a quality football player. He is recognized around the league as a good player, who has never been given a chance. I like to think that if he was such a good player then he makes his own chances, but when you are a rookie and you learn the wrong way of doing things, I guess that has to be set right. Here's to watching him very closely in TC and Preseason.
 
Coach C. said:
If he performs then we are fine, if he does not then we made a mistake and have to go find another signal caller, but you look at his talent and the decisions he has made while in an unfriendly system and as you(someone I think knows football) can see that Carr is a quality football player. He is recognized around the league as a good player, who has never been given a chance. I like to think that if he was such a good player then he makes his own chances, but when you are a rookie and you learn the wrong way of doing things, I guess that has to be set right. Here's to watching him very closely in TC and Preseason.
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I hope you're right... I really do. But all that I have to go on is his last 25 or so games where he has looked completely incompetent most of the time. As a Texans fans (and to a lesser degree a card collector that has/had about 2K invested in the guy) I hope that he succeeds.
 
NATHANHALE said:
IMO, keeping Carr was in no way Kubiak's decision to make, though his hiring dictated his agreement to do so.
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OK, let's look at it from your angle. If McNair told Kubiak that if he wanted the job with the Texans he would have to keep Carr and make the best of it, (and I don't believe this is what happened) that Kubiak would take the job even if he believed Carr was terrible and could never make it in the NFL. Sorry, I don't believe this for a minute, even if Kubes wanted to get back to Texas!

Now, I do believe McNair/Casserly, during interviews possibly, could have asked Kubiak if he thought he could salvage Carr's career. I don't believe his answer (whether yes or no) would have been the deciding factor in his hiring. I think McNair wanted to hire someone he thought would put a consistent winner on the field, regardless of whether Carr was the QB or not! JMO!
 
the wonger need food said:
This statement could not be more true. To cut Carr loose after last season (along with firing Capers and Casserly) would be to admit complete and total failure as a franchise.
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Wonger, Casserly was not fired, I believe he "resigned to pursue other opportunities." And, JMHO, when your team has the worst record in the NFL and you fire your head coach, you're already admitting total failure! :sos:
 
Insideop said:
I don't believe his answer (whether yes or no) would have been the deciding factor in his hiring. I think McNair wanted to hire someone he thought would put a consistent winner on the field, regardless of whether Carr was the QB or not! JMO!
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No. There is a quote floating around here somewhere directly from Bob McNair. He states something to the effect of 'the deciding factor in hiring Kubiak was the fact that he thought he was best coach to help David Carr'.

I mean it is really close to that.
 
Insideop said:
Wonger, Casserly was not fired, I believe he "resigned to pursue other opportunities." And, JMHO, when your team has the worst record in the NFL and you fire your head coach, you're already admitting total failure! :sos:
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Casserly took the 'graceful' way out that insured there was no blemish (being fired) on his immediate resume as he pursued 'other' interests---kinda like that lady from the Barbara Walters show that 'everyone' agreed would announce on air she was leaving the show to pursue other interests (network would back her up) but was not suppose to tell 'everyone' the network had not renewed her contract. Call it what you want but-just like the network wanted the lady gone-the Texans wanted Casserly gone, with 'glowing' recommendations and all.
 
1. Franchise MLB-to me, has the most ? marks of all of the defensive spots ths year
2. #2 CB-we all know why
3. RB-someone more durable
4. OL-same as #2
5. FS-a great coverage safety, remember the days of Stevens?
6. SS-just to have some more depth or a hard hitter on special teams
7. WR-explosive slot receiver if Mathis does not fill that role

That would be a nice draft for me next year

-Clay
 
Insideop said:
Wonger, Casserly was not fired, I believe he "resigned to pursue other opportunities."
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In reality, he was fired.

Kubiak had no choice but to work with Carr. If Kubiak would have wanted Carr gone, Kubiak would not have the job. Carr is McNair's favorite horse in the stable and isn't going anywhere no matter how many races he loses.
 
the wonger need food said:
In reality, he was fired.

Kubiak had no choice but to work with Carr. If Kubiak would have wanted Carr gone, Kubiak would not have the job. Carr is McNair's favorite horse in the stable and isn't going anywhere no matter how many races he loses.
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I agree, but it is not going to be that way after this season. If Carr sputters again, I am going to take things into my own hands. I am going to take action! I am going to go downtown and set myself on fire!

It's going to be like Saigon October 5th, 1963.

Something has got to be done.

( actually... maybe setting myself on fire would not be such a good idea... I am going to set Torro on fire instead )
 
the wonger need food said:
I hope you're right... I really do. But all that I have to go on is his last 25 or so games where he has looked completely incompetent most of the time. As a Texans fans (and to a lesser degree a card collector that has/had about 2K invested in the guy) I hope that he succeeds.
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The team as a whole has looked incompetent, not just Carr. I think he's got the talent to be a good QB for us. I just hope the last 4 years haven't ruined him. I would've stuck with Carr over drafting another rookie too.:twocents:
 
I agree, as much as a like Carr, if he struggles as he did last year, he has to go.

But if there is any sign of improvement, I think he will be safe.

But I believe Carr's TD to INT ratio had gotten better each year correct? Even during last years horrible season, so that says something, right?
 
AggieTexanFan said:
I agree, as much as a like Carr, if he struggles as he did last year, he has to go.

But if there is any sign of improvement, I think he will be safe.

But I believe Carr's TD to INT ratio had gotten better each year correct? Even during last years horrible season, so that says something, right?
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Most of last years passes were 3 yard hitches though.:crying: This year should be a little more down field I would think.:redtowel:
 
A kicker in the first Round, are you nuts ? Janachowski didn't live up to hype, and Elam-Vinatari and others are better. Sorry got a little excited there. Brown did what he was told to last year, he will be better than 95% this year.
 
Brandon420tx said:
Back on topic, we obviously need a kicker in the first round next year
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Maybe - wasn't Brown a pretty accurate kicker in 2004? He might make a solid comeback too, but who knows.
 
Linebackers are our biggest problem as a position group, hands down. Wong is not a top LB nor is he a DL, so he is a true tweener with no real position. Cowart has no lateral movement and will have to come off the field in any passing situation. Greenwood is a wallflower. We need someone to prove he is a starting caliber NFL FS also. Brown is still a better SS than FS until he proves otherwise. I won't consider LT a weak position since we spent a first day pick here last draft. Carr is talented as heck, but he has rotten game instincts so he has a lot to prove this year as well.
 
Vinny said:
Linebackers are our biggest problem as a position group, hands down. Wong is not a top LB nor is he a DL, so he is a true tweener with no real position. Cowart has no lateral movement and will have to come off the field in any passing situation. Greenwood is a wallflower. We need someone to prove he is a starting caliber NFL FS also. Brown is still a better SS than FS until he proves otherwise. I won't consider LT a weak position since we spent a first day pick here last draft. Carr is talented as heck, but he has rotten game instincts so he has a lot to prove this year as well.
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Demeco blow up Quarterback. :texflag:
 
Vinny said:
Linebackers are our biggest problem as a position group, hands down. Wong is not a top LB nor is he a DL, so he is a true tweener with no real position. Cowart has no lateral movement and will have to come off the field in any passing situation. Greenwood is a wallflower. We need someone to prove he is a starting caliber NFL FS also.
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It's king of sad about the linebackers, since we have so many.
 
Runner said:
Maybe - wasn't Brown a pretty accurate kicker in 2004? He might make a solid comeback too, but who knows.
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It was a joke to kill the C*** thread, and get it back rolling on topic. We'll see how KBrown does this year, if I'm not satisfied, I'm calling for his head in the third round of the draft and each pick afterwards. :francis:

I posted earlier on what I think this teams needs in next years first round (LB) and second round (DB - fast hard hitting style) or OL (Preferrably a guard).
 
the wonger need food said:
In reality, he was fired.

Kubiak had no choice but to work with Carr. If Kubiak would have wanted Carr gone, Kubiak would not have the job. Carr is McNair's favorite horse in the stable and isn't going anywhere no matter how many races he loses.
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In reality, he was NOT fired! He resigned. And, correct me if I'm wrong, which I'm sure you will, I believe he still had another year on his contract. Also, wasn't he more or less vindicated when Dan Reeves made his assessment to McNair and said the talent wasn't the problem, it was the coaching. Thus the firing of Capers!

Look, we can go around and around with this, but the bottom line is Casserly resigned. He is gone and that's what most everyone wanted! Myself included.

Now to your other statement. Why in the world do think "Kubiak had no choice?" Did someone hold a gun to his head and make him take the job? I still believe he had a choice even if McNair said you only get the job if you take Carr (and I don't believe McNair said that). It's not like he was jobless in Denver.

Anyway, I can't remember how this whole debate got started, but I still believe Kubiak WANTED to come here and he saw enough in Carr to want to keep him and make him a better NFL quarterback. And, if Kubiak had not seen enough in Carr, he either would not have taken the job if Carr was tied to the deal as you believe, or he would have told McNair that Carr didn't have what it takes and McNair wouldn't have extended Carr's contract. That's my :twocents:
 
Brandon420tx said:
It was a joke to kill the C*** thread, and get it back rolling on topic. We'll see how KBrown does this year, if I'm not satisfied, I'm calling for his head in the third round of the draft and each pick afterwards. :francis:

I posted earlier on what I think this teams needs in next years first round (LB) and second round (DB - fast hard hitting style) or OL (Preferrably a guard).
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Oh. I've kind of gotten lost wading through things. I have a general idea of what Andy Dufresne felt like going through that pipe though.
 
No No No NOOO, C*** thread dead, C*** thread dead, C*** thread dead. Seriously take it to another thread guys, there is a create tool you know, so you can actually make a thread where this type of discussion would actually belong instead of trudging down this really lovable thread we have here.
 
Vinny said:
Linebackers are our biggest problem as a position group, hands down. Wong is not a top LB nor is he a DL, so he is a true tweener with no real position. Cowart has no lateral movement and will have to come off the field in any passing situation. Greenwood is a wallflower. We need someone to prove he is a starting caliber NFL FS also. Brown is still a better SS than FS until he proves otherwise. I won't consider LT a weak position since we spent a first day pick here last draft. Carr is talented as heck, but he has rotten game instincts so he has a lot to prove this year as well.
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Definantely I see Linebacker as a huge weakness on our team. I am hoping DeMeco can become a solid starter this year, and put some energy into these guys. Wong hasn't played with much energy in awhile and Greenwood reminds me of that guy in high school who would hop on for the ride when the running back came straight at them.

We'll see what type of linebackers this scheme calls for and address it in next years draft.

As far as LT, I dont consider it a weakness, but something needs to be proven this year.
 
Vinny said:
....... Carr is talented as heck, but he has rotten game instincts so he has a lot to prove this year as well.
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Carr is done if he gets pummeled again. Might be another Plunket, sit for a few years and make a comeback. I believe you're right that we won't be drafting an OLT. But if we don't and they ARE out there when we pick it will be a mistake. OLT is the conrerstone of the offensive line. So far we ain't got 1. And I don't care what system you use, who the QB is..., without one you're going to struggle in the passing game. And then you'll become what the Texan's have always been, one demmensional. Spencer is tallented enough to play in the nfl. Whether he can hold a corner or not...we're fixing to find out. You'll know by the bye Vinny. Hope it works. It don't, it's five year plan II.

Sorry to float this one back to the top all. Couldn't let the DC crowd kill the good off season thread. I sat there in the earlier post should I , could I ...Post QB as a need a go unscathed....nope !:crutch:
 
threetoedpete said:
Carr is done if he gets pummeled again. Might be another Plunket, sit for a few years and make a comeback.
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Carr is not a Plunkett. Plunkett came out roaring as a starting rookie.
Carr hasn't even meowed for more then a half.

The best Carr can hope for right now is a Bartkowski Award, if he makes the Pro Bowl next year and we get into the playoffs. Loved and adored by all... within the city limits of Atlanta. ( plus one hardcore fan in Austin )

IF he goes on to win a Super Bowl this year... he could win the Simms Award.

But after that, he can only hope to capture the Hostetler Award ( and that would be a stretch ).

Other then Simms and Hostetler... every other QB for a winning a Super Bowl team has cracked the top 10 in NFL QBs' stat columns at some point in their first 4 seasons. ( yes even Dilfer )

The numbers be damned and the odds are against us, if Carr is going to win a Super Bowl.
 
TwinSisters said:
Other then Simms and Hostetler... every other QB for a winning a Super Bowl team has cracked the top 10 in NFL QBs' stat columns at some point in their first 4 seasons. ( yes even Dilfer )

The numbers be damned and the odds are against us, if Carr is going to win a Super Bowl.
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Bradshaw cracked the top 10 NFL QB's in his first 4 seasons? I wouldn't have expected that.

OTOH, the first player to win the rushing title and have their team win a championship the same year was Emmit Smith. The numbers were against them winning the SB that year because he won the rushing title. But... still... every season is a new season and there's always a first time.
 
TwinSisters said:
Other then Simms and Hostetler... every other QB for a winning a Super Bowl team has cracked the top 10 in NFL QBs' stat columns at some point in their first 4 seasons. ( yes even Dilfer )
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OK, so Bradshaw finished 6th in Passing Yards his second year... but that same year he threw 10 td's and 22 ints. His first 5 years statistically sucked. He was lucky he was on a good team.

But Staubach didn't finish in the top 10 in passing in his first 4 years. It wasn't until his 5th year that he fnished 4th in yards. Len Dawson didn't crack the top 10 until his 6th year and that was in the AFL. Bart Starr didn't crack the top 10 until his 5th year.

And I was just looking at player's stats off the top of my head; I wasn't going off the complete list of QB's who've won Super Bowls.

Where did you get your stats from?
 
TwinSisters said:
Other then Simms and Hostetler... every other QB for a winning a Super Bowl team has cracked the top 10 in NFL QBs' stat columns at some point in their first 4 seasons. ( yes even Dilfer )

The numbers be damned and the odds are against us, if Carr is going to win a Super Bowl.
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Dude. This is just totally wrong. Here is a list of all the quarterbacks of winning Superbowl teams AND the first time they broke into the top 10 in passing yards (which is usually the gold standard by judging QB's.)

Roethlisburger - Never.
Brady - 3rd season.
Brad Johnson - 6th season.
Trent Dilfer - Never.
Kurt Warner - 2nd season.
Elway - 3rd season.
Favre - 2nd season.
Aikman - 4th season.
Young - 8th season.
Rypien - 2nd season.
Hostetler - 8th season.
Montana - 3rd season.
Schroeder - 2nd season.
Simms - 5th season.
McMahon - Never.
Plunkett - 1st season.
Theisman - 8th season.
Bradshaw - 2nd season.
Staubach - 5th season.
Stabler - 4th season.
Griese - 1st season.
Unitas - 5th season.
Dawson - 6th season.
Namath - 1st season.
Starr - 5th season.

So... I don't know where you're getting your information or whether the stats I'm looking at are incorrect, but ... something's not right. There are 3 quarterbacks who've never broken the top 10 in passing yards who've won a Superbowl. Granted, Roethlisburger is a special case in that. Many didn't do it until after their 4th season.

So using that as a knock against Carr is not correct.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Dude. This is just totally wrong. Here is a list of all the quarterbacks of winning Superbowl teams AND the first time they broke into the top 10 in passing yards (which is usually the gold standard by judging QB's.)

So... I don't know where you're getting your information or whether the stats I'm looking at are incorrect, but ... something's not right. There are 3 quarterbacks who've never broken the top 10 in passing yards who've won a Superbowl. Granted, Roethlisburger is a special case in that. Many didn't do it until after their 4th season.

So using that as a knock against Carr is not correct.
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No we are not just talking about passing yards. We are talking about major passing categories


Roethlisburger -
special case , but made adjusted yards per pass 5th his rookie season, 1st his Super Bowl season

Brady - 3rd season.
His second season as a starter

Brad Johnson - 6th season.
His first season as a starter he cracked top ten for TDs thrown. adjusted yards passed

Trent Dilfer - Never.
His second season attempts and completions his third TDs thrown

Kurt Warner - 2nd season.
HIS first season as a starter was first in several categories 2nd yards, 1st TDs, 1st adjusted yards

Elway - 3rd season.
yep and like 10 more after that

Favre - 2nd season.
his first season as a starter and 10 more after that

Aikman - 4th season.
his third season as a starter he cracked yards adjusted

Young - 8th season.
His first season as a starter he lit it up 7th in TDs thrown in his 91' season

Rypien - 2nd season.
ROOKIE season he cracked TDs thrown and yards adjusted

Hostetler - 8th season.
1st year as starter with Giants cracked yards adjusted , 3rd season first as starter with Raiders cracks yards thrown

Montana - 3rd season.
1st season as starter he cracks yards adjusted and then 10 more in some column or another

Schroeder - 2nd season.
Rookie season cracks yards adjusted breakout season in 86 before the Super Bowl

Simms - 5th season.
yep, missed his 4th due to injury

McMahon - Never.
made yards adjusted his rookie season ( never played a full season )

Plunkett - 1st season.
Cracked it his first 4 seasons before getting traded

Theisman - 8th season.
his 1st season as a starter he made attempts his second TDs thrown before lighting it up for 4 seasons straight

Bradshaw - 2nd season.
yep...horrible rookie season, but his second season is without Harris, Swann, Stallworth

Staubach - 5th season.
First season as starter cracks TDs thrown and is first in yards adjusted

Stabler - 4th season.
1st year as starter he cracks top tens and then rips 7 off straight

Griese - 1st season.
Yep rookie year starter cutting it up

Unitas - 5th season.
Didn't start counting until 1965. And this man is in the top from 1960 to 1970.

Dawson - 6th season.
first year as starter he is in the top

Namath - 1st season.
yep

Starr - 5th season.
well what can you say when you make your money running the Power Sweep?
His isn the top ten from 1960 until 1967


The only adjustement that would need to be made is for Jim McMahon. And let me tell you something... Jim McMahon is the Anti-Carr. I would pass out if I saw David Carr drop his pants and moon a flock of critics and then go into a game kicking his lineman in the ass for screwing up ( literally ).

and that's just the winning QBs

the same story is told on the other side of the fence for the QBs that made it to the Super Bowl without winning it.

If Carr doesn't win the Super Bowl this year... he is breaking new ground against the odds. Because after that, he is in a pasture all of his own.

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Okay I caught a mistake in wording. 'Seasons starting' with the opportunity to crack a top ten stat column. Bench riding seasons do not count... you are not going to do anything, if you are not playing.
 
TwinSisters said:
No we are not just talking about passing yards. We are talking about major passing categories.
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Okay I caught a mistake in wording. 'Seasons starting' with the opportunity to crack a top ten stat column. Bench riding seasons do not count... you are not going to do anything, if you are not playing.
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I think that's making putting an unfair restriction on it. If the guy wasn't good enough to get off the bench or not is irrelevant. The comparison should be made on the first 4 years in the league. Period.

And making it about ANY statistical category is also just BS.

I think if you look at the stats objectively, there are a lot of quarterbacks that had great careers but who didn't do well (statistically at least) the first 4 years or so.

I mean, look a Bradshaw's numbers. You're giving him a pass on his second season when he broke the top 10 in attempts, completions, and yards but that year he threw 13 TD's and 22 interceptions. If Carr had those numbers, you'd be all over him for that and wouldn't be bringing up anything about statistical categories.
 
We are an expansion team, and Carr has been on this team since the beginning. You cannot really compare us to other teams as being a expansion team is a disadvantage of its own. We have only been in the league for 4 years.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think that's making putting an unfair restriction on it. If the guy wasn't good enough to get off the bench or not is irrelevant. The comparison should be made on the first 4 years in the league. Period.

And making it about ANY statistical category is also just BS.

I think if you look at the stats objectively, there are a lot of quarterbacks that had great careers but who didn't do well (statistically at least) the first 4 years or so.

I mean, look a Bradshaw's numbers. You're giving him a pass on his second season when he broke the top 10 in attempts, completions, and yards but that year he threw 13 TD's and 22 interceptions. If Carr had those numbers, you'd be all over him for that and wouldn't be bringing up anything about statistical categories.
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Good point on Bradshaw, I was going to bring that up before but didn't bother. I also wouldn't consider being in the top 10 in the league in attempts or even completions any kind of honor, all that means is that you're in an offense that throws the ball a lot. Having to chunk the ball 40 times a game doesn't necessarily speak highly of your skills. For that matter passing yards can also be more of a reflection of the offensive system you're running. The main stats you should look at would be completion percentage (can also somewhat be determined by offensive system) and TD/INT ratio (measures efficiency with your passes and taking care of the ball), which not coincidentally are two major components of calculating QB rating.
 
TexansSeminole said:
What is our weakest position? And what do you think we will address in next years first round?
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I would say depth, injuries are seemingly a daily problem no matter the team. We need to have backup players that can step in and no drop off.:stirpot:
 
well, looking into the crystal ball for next year wr will be our weakest position
lb will be 2nd
db3rd
dl 4th
ol5th
rb 6th

wr bc of the age of moulds, several players there are on 1 yr contracts mathis will be entering his last yr of contract and he would be rfa after next season :shades:
 
Brandon420tx said:
Dear god, we have other C*** threads for this ****.... My vote still lands on Linebacker and Kicker.
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Like it or hate it, Carr IS a legitimate answer to the question initially posed by this thread
 
swtbound07 said:
Like it or hate it, Carr IS a legitimate answer to the question initially posed by this thread
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Yes it is, I've never had a problem with you saying its carr thats the weakest position, I have a problem with everyone arguing with you and you arguing with them after that, especially when what you are all (Everyone continuing the arguement) saying would probably be better off in a thread with a different topic and it is totally killing, not only the direction of this thread, but the overall main theme of the thread, but I digress, you'll probably spin this reply into another way to continue the Carr discussion.


Well, I'll give it one more shot, is there any other position (Besides Carr) that you think we should look into during next years draft?
 
Brandon420tx said:
Yes it is, I've never had a problem with you saying its carr thats the weakest position, I have a problem with everyone arguing with you and you arguing with them after that, especially when what you are all (Everyone continuing the arguement) saying would probably be better off in a thread with a different topic and it is totally killing, not only the direction of this thread, but the overall main theme of the thread, but I digress, you'll probably spin this reply into another way to continue the Carr discussion.


Well, I'll give it one more shot, is there any other position (Besides Carr) that you think we should look into during next years draft?
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Free Safety...I have seen this as a weakness for a while, and was the chief proponent of Sean Taylor on these boards back in the day
 
Brandon420tx said:
Well, I'll give it one more shot, is there any other position (Besides Carr) that you think we should look into during next years draft?
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I thought this was a thread about the weakest position on the team currently? Start a new thread if you want to turn it into a 2007 draft thread.
 
swtbound07 said:
Free Safety...I have seen this as a weakness for a while, and was the chief proponent of Sean Taylor on these boards back in the day
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Alot of people seem to be leaning towards safety these days. I'm still with LB, and I know your with the QB crowd. :) maybe we should make a pie chart.
 
Brandon420tx said:
I thought this was a thread about the weakest position on our team and what we should draft in the early rounds next year.
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You are right but it seems you won't tolerate people talking about Carr (yes, some people think this is a weakness). After re-reading the first post I take the comment back...but it is quite ok to talk about David Carr if people want to discuss him here.
 
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