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Vince Young has NO class

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Hulk75 said:
You like going back to that dont you, tell me something new.
Or be man enough to answer my questions Mr. Decade.
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What was the question? It would help if I had one to respond to.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Infantry, I totally agree with you. If he was going for a interview wear a suit. He was not however going to an interview. To basically say this is a reason not to like VY is just totally preposterous.
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I agree using this as a reason not to like VY is preposterous.

If he was meeting with Cheney then I'd say he's meeting with the nation's leader but he was meeting with GW not DC. lol Sorry I couldn't help this shot. Don't pay attention to it.
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VY isn't dumb enough to not wear a suit in front of Cheney--he might get shot.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
I will probably get bashed for making this post, but here goes anyway.

If the Texans are looking to keep their "high class" player image they DO NOT want Vince Young. I have really tried to like the guy, but he keeps making me hate him.

1) During his pro announcement he REPEATED over and over how he need to "cash in" on this opportunity. Not to mention the guy can could not even speak proper English and shows up to make the biggest decision of his life with a crooked hat and baggy sweat shirt on.

2) He then immediately starting "cashing in" by charging $80 for non personalized autographs and charged an extra $100 for a picture with him.

OK so even if you overlook those 2 acts and blame it on a bad PR manager or immaturity, what he did yesterday really did it in for me.

The Texas Longhorns are invited to THE WHITE HOUSE to meet THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES. As the camera scrolls on CNN all the players are wearing very nice suits and ties until it gets to Vince Young. Vince is wearing some baggy jeans with some tennis shoes and a hoodie sweat shirt.

Who does this guy think he is? Have some repect for your elders, your peers, and most of all the country you live in which is about to let you make MILLIONS of dollars for someone who could not even pass their S.A.T. test.

I DO NOT want this guy as the face of our franchise.
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1. Well when a player decides to go Pro what do you think you are doing "cashing in". Thats whats college is for to prepare you for the real world and increase your earning ability. Besides he is a college student you wanted him to show up in a suit and tie and announce his decision. Reggie had an a collared shirt and thats it. Carr was at his press conference for his extenstion in a jacket with his shirt unbuttoned at the top and nobody batted an eye.

2. Tristar and the other conventions set the prices he gets an appearance fee and thats it. He is giving it away. Reggie did the same thing and no one said a word about that. That is what happens when you cash in. Hell I bet you would love some one to give you $4,000 to show up and sign your name for a couple of hours. Nobody ever mentions the fact that when he was in Austin and Houston before he turned pro that he would sign autographs for for a long time for free.

3. On the suit note. he forgot it. He didn't even want to be seen thats why he was in the back when they usually stick him in the front. Everyone makes mistakes on trips and things like that. If the leader of the world doesn't take it personally I think the public should calm down. Besides if he didn't show up then people would say that he was prima-donna for not showing up and more crap would get said.
 
This is the first thing he has done that has really bothered me. I can't say I was wild about gouging for his sig, or how the very first thing he did was go out and buy an expensive sports car, but those were just the marks of someone getting money for the first time, and I overlooked them. But, when you go to meet the President at the White House, show some friggin respect, and wear a suit. Is that too much to ask? While I can appreciate the differences between the NFL and his private life, it says something to me, and it's not good. You have to conform on a football team too, and play by the rules, and show respect to the coaches and elders on the team. It gives me the feeling he thinks the rules may not apply to him because he is BMOC. No one player is above the team, and when you see every single one of these young men show the proper respect at the WH, and then you see him in casual clothes, it shows a complete lack of maturity and understanding. While I am still not entirely opposed to us drafting him, it's made me really think, and I am now teetering for sure. I guess it's safe to say I am off the "draft Vince" bandwagon. And, it's enough for me to change my avatar, which I will do some time today.
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wow, a little bit of an over reaction don't you think?
 
infantrycak said:
I agree using this as a reason not to like VY is preposterous.



VY isn't dumb enough to not wear a suit in front of Cheney--he might get shot.
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Since when were you named the arbiter of all of the reasons why someone likes or dislikes an individual? Should I check with you every time I meet someone. I just want to make sure my reasons for liking or disliking said person is approved by the gand poo bah in charge of reasons to like or dislike someone.
 
Well I heard that VY had a Cowboys night light in his room when he was younger.......really cant you make a better argument than his attire? There are enough question marks about him that you have points to argue against us drafting him. Im not a VY fan and this looks rediculious.
 
Tex-fan0604 said:
I agree with you .People are now bashing on VY because he doesnt dress to their standards.I really dont care how someone dresses as long as they get it done on the field.Yall people are just haters.I dont see yall supporting DC for having class.Yall keep saying he(DC) has no leadership skills but yet he does all the proper things like showing class and yall still hate on him.
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Yeah it's silly but then look at all the people who bash on Carr because of all the haircut attention. There are some universal truths here. If people want to bash you they're going to find something to bash you about. There's no getting away from that.

I don't particularly like Vince Young and I don't want the Texans to draft him. I think David Carr will get it done. None of that has any bearing on this topic. If Young simply had a "wardrobe malfunction" and wasn't able to wear his suit then I understand that and I'm sure President Bush understood it too. If he'd gone out of his way to wear something other than a suit then that would be different and someone close to him would need to sit down and try to emphasize that going to the White House to meet the President is an honor and that he wasn't so great a football player that he was above dressing properly for the President.

That wasn't the case apparently so no big deal.
 
The way I look at it is,it was Vince's party,so he can dress how ever he wants.Keep on bashing him,so when he owns you,he won't feel any remorse.This is the kind of post that will send Vince down the road.The last place I want to see Vince is with a team that didn't want him.You may not understand that it takes money to campaign and maybe at this moment he don't have the funds he needs to make ends meet.

I think maybe the Texans should take Bush,not only because everyone has him as the pick but because it will hurt the Cowboys fan base more.I do know one thing and that is Bush won't be the whole answer as we seen in the Rose bowl.All I can say is were going to have to build a good team to stop him and thats a man secondary and a solid run defense.

I'm a new Texan fan and the last thing I want to here is all the bashing of Young like we had to put up with, with QC!He was distine to fail the day he got there.His speech and all of that player hating was just upsetting!People hated the pick and were deterimined to see he failed from day one.Thats the main reason i'm trying to keep Vince away from the cowboy fans that did that to QC.

This team may be better off dividing the pick into three or 4 players,to make an inmediate target out of focus.That way the new coach don't have to deal with the contraversy!
 
Porky said:
Since when were you named the arbiter of all of the reasons why someone likes or dislikes an individual? Should I check with you every time I meet someone. I just want to make sure my reasons for liking or disliking said person is approved by the gand poo bah in charge of reasons to like or dislike someone.
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Simmer down--it's called a MB. A topic was raised, different viewpoints expressed and I chipped in on some of them. Paranoid much?--I didn't quote or refer to you unlike some other folks.
 
Vinny said:
If I was the youth of today and you come "thwacking" me on the head you would get your *** kicked for getting in my buisness. All you guys are gossipy like women...geez (no offense to the women out there)
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This thread should be Exhibit A of why it is unfair to put the reputation for gossip solely on the female sex. You guys are on your own with this one.

But there are a bizilliondy examples on the MB of people jumping to conclusions and assuming the worst about people. Gossip and whispering and trashing people for no good reason. It's ugly.

Yeah, I can't say that this thread is the silliest on the MB, because there have been pretty silly ones, but this one is really reaching.

As for the articulate part of the post, did you listen to his interview on Sportsradio 610--I thought he did a nice job. It's kinda funny what the expectations for athletes are--people parse what Vince says or what Carr says--they are athletes that are hired because they are good at what they do--football. How many of y'all in your twenties (or older for that matter) would be Mr. Articulate with lots of interviews--it is not as easy as it looks.
 
i was going to make this point earlier, but the thread was locked. Maybe this is just me in my own personal viewpoint, but if Vince really doesn't like the president, he is trapped in a lose-lose situation. Athletes and other people in the past get absolutely trashed for skipping out on the traditional meeting of the president, and now vince is getting trashed for not showing the proper amount of respect in his attire. Ridiculous. I would do anything I possibly could to avoid that particular visit....I dont like the man, and Im the type of person not to compromise my personal opinion and put on a false pretense for the sake of decorum.
 
well im not surprised the burnt orange legion jumped on this one. He could spit on jesus and they would say "well he can still play great football".

Im in complete agreement that this isnt the kind of attitude we want on our team. the Vicks and T.O.s of the league are great athletes and great players.. but I dont want them representing this city, and I dont want them causing problems behind the scenes. We have seen what T.O. can do to a team.. and Vick.. some people may say that he leads his team despite his immaturity and ego, but give it time.. the way he throws the rest of his team under the bus when he doesnt play well is gonna blow up in his face eventually.

If VY is immature and disrespectful.. how long until that attitude hurts the team? How long before he holds out for more money.. forces the coaches to do what he wants.. or runs off good players cause they dont agree with his attitude?

no thank you... there is no excuse for that kind of behavior.
 
I don't care who you are. You could be the biggest big-shot in the entire world, but if you are invited by the President of United States invites you to come by the White House, your *** better be wearing a shirt and tie, minimum. You don't have to get a suit or anything, but act like you give a **** about being there and being recognized by our highest official. You can totally oppose him politically, I could care less, but show some **** respect. I think that Clinton was one of the worst president's ever, but if he invited me over, I would go. By the way, not rich, but at least I could scrape by a tie, shirt, and slacks. Hell, VY has more than likely had almost everything handed to him, I doubt it would that hard to get one. Embarrassment.
 
swtbound07 said:
i was going to make this point earlier, but the thread was locked. Maybe this is just me in my own personal viewpoint, but if Vince really doesn't like the president, he is trapped in a lose-lose situation. Athletes and other people in the past get absolutely trashed for skipping out on the traditional meeting of the president, and now vince is getting trashed for not showing the proper amount of respect in his attire. Ridiculous. I would do anything I possibly could to avoid that particular visit....I dont like the man, and Im the type of person not to compromise my personal opinion and put on a false pretense for the sake of decorum.
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You respect the office not the person. It's really not that hard. I despised Bill Clinton, but I would have worn the best suit I could find if I were invited to meet him at the White House. The only ridicoulous thing I see here is not being able to differentiate the man and the office. It's no wonder we have the society we do when we can't even agree that certain functions require a certain level of decorum and respectfullness.
 
Austin is full of liberals, especially UT, liberals aren't exactly the respectful type when it comes to politics

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Porky said:
You respect the office not the person. It's really not that hard. I despised Bill Clinton, but I would have worn the best suit I could find if I were invited to meet him at the White House. The only ridicoulous thing I see here is not being able to differentiate the man and the office. It's no wonder we have the society we do when we can't even agree that certain functions require a certain level of decorum and respectfullness.
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This is pretty funny...I've been on interviews in other cities where things go wrong...Your luggage gets lost, something tears, you get sick, etc...you can reschedule the interview...

You don't reschedule the President of the US...

For goodness sake people he was trying to be inconspicous...Some have said that you can get a suit in D.C. from pretty much anywhere...I am Vince's size and lemme tell you just can't buy one of those off the shelf, they need to be altered...And since we are speaking about hypotheticals that he could have bought a suit right before hand, take a moment to consider that there may have not been time to go out and grab a suit...

He did not want to offend anybody by not showing up...Some people really need to focus on other things...like perhaps winning so that the Texans can perhaps one day take a visit to the White House that day...If that is the worst thing that can happen in which our star player can get his suit to visit the White House for a championship, I would love to have that problem :rolleyes:
 
ToroFan said:
This is pretty funny...I've been on interviews in other cities where things go wrong...Your luggage gets lost, something tears, you get sick, etc...you can reschedule the interview...

You don't reschedule the President of the US...

For goodness sake people he was trying to be inconspicous...Some have said that you can get a suit in D.C. from pretty much anywhere...I am Vince's size and lemme tell you just can't buy one of those off the shelf, they need to be altered...And since we are speaking about hypotheticals that he could have bought a suit right before hand, take a moment to consider that there may have not been time to go out and grab a suit...

He did not want to offend anybody by not showing up...Some people really need to focus on other things...like perhaps winning so that the Texans can perhaps one day take a visit to the White House that day...If that is the worst thing that can happen in which our star player can get his suit to visit the White House for a championship, I would love to have that problem :rolleyes:
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Then buy a dress shirt, slacks, and a tie. You're trying to tell me the best thing he could find to wear has a hooded sweater?
 
Vince Young was invited as a guest to meet the President.The President wanted to see a football legend.He didn't want to see a pencil pusher in a suit,he wanted to see a football player and thats what he saw!

I bet George Bush would have really been impressed ,if Vince had come with his uniform on taped with his helmet for the President to try on.The guy is a legend!Danial Boone didn't wear a suit to meet the president.
 
Tiger Woods blew President Clinton off back in the day (at the Jackie Ronbinson tribute no less, right after he won his first Masters). Guess some of you folks think Tiger is a classless loser, too?

This thread is quite the example of my take that people (and society) elevate entertainers to unrealistic heights. Yes, he's just an entertainer, because that's all football is at the end of the day. But some of the comments in this thread are absolutely mind-boggling that so much emotion and importance is put into what a dude wears at the White House.

He made a MISTAKE, the President forgave him, end of story (but not this thread).
 
I'd take a respectful gentleman who may lose over a TO or Artest which has more talent and would win more
 
Porky said:
Then buy a dress shirt, slacks, and a tie. You're trying to tell me the best thing he could find to wear has a hooded sweater?
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Assuming he had time to do that then yes that would have been the best plan of action...But if not then what are you going to do...All the evidence was to the contrary that he was not trying to disrespect the President...
 
The reaction to much of VY's actions seems knee-jerk, but then so is all the hoopla over VY in the first place, so what goes around comes around...

First of all Tri-Star does NOT set their rates in stone, nor are they across-the-board for all athletes - They vary from player-to-player based on demand, they always have and always will. Vince could always have refused to participate if he didn't like the cost structure anyway. If his potential "profits" go to charity, that's all fine & good. It does seem a bit ego-centric to start the"tour" with signings before even having been to the combine but that's Pro Sports in general and NOT a VY 'issue' for me.

Everybody on the team is in a suit BUT Vince, and it's somehow NOT "his" fault? Will his family / posse need to make sure he brings his helmet to the huddle with him? He was traveling isn't an excuse - he had ample warning, blew it and was embarassed enough NOT to want to be standing out front. I'm actually split on this one - The BAD news is, he's already let fame/fortune go this head to the point that he can't be responsible for his own affairs. The GOOD news is that he recognized that maybe it was a poor decision to not FIND a way to get more appropriate clothing.

Let's analyze why somebody even deemed this thread as being "necessaary" in the first place. VY, due to the last two Rose Bowl wins, has been elevated to legendary status already in Texas. Despite obvious flaws & shortcomings in his game, he's managed to "just win, baby!" and that has brainwashed a few into not only believing that he's the next big thing, but potentially the best of all time in NFL QB's. Bringing VY back down to THIS plane of existence is several weeks overdue, and this is the kind of issue that will start those balls rolling in the opposite direction.

I wish ALL the players drafted THIS year (Didn't feel that way about Winslow, Jr. a couple of yrs. ago - kid was a punk) to have successful careers in the NFL....except for those days where their performance affects the Texans negatively! :redtowel:
 
Maybe that was his favorite shirt or the only one he had clean.

Like I said Danial Boone never put on a suit,he just threw on his best dudes got a shaved,combed his hair and grabbed his koonskin cap!
 
It's one thing to blow it off, but it's another thing to show up lookin' like you are going to class or lounging around the house.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
I will probably get bashed for making this post, but here goes anyway.

If the Texans are looking to keep their "high class" player image they DO NOT want Vince Young. I have really tried to like the guy, but he keeps making me hate him.

1) During his pro announcement he REPEATED over and over how he need to "cash in" on this opportunity. Not to mention the guy can could not even speak proper English and shows up to make the biggest decision of his life with a crooked hat and baggy sweat shirt on.

2) He then immediately starting "cashing in" by charging $80 for non personalized autographs and charged an extra $100 for a picture with him.

OK so even if you overlook those 2 acts and blame it on a bad PR manager or immaturity, what he did yesterday really did it in for me.

The Texas Longhorns are invited to THE WHITE HOUSE to meet THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES. As the camera scrolls on CNN all the players are wearing very nice suits and ties until it gets to Vince Young. Vince is wearing some baggy jeans with some tennis shoes and a hoodie sweat shirt.

Who does this guy think he is? Have some repect for your elders, your peers, and most of all the country you live in which is about to let you make MILLIONS of dollars for someone who could not even pass their S.A.T. test.

I DO NOT want this guy as the face of our franchise.
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i wasnt award of the white house incident, but i have been skeptical of him for awhile. i dont despise him but i am not very fond of him
 
Porky said:
Then buy a dress shirt, slacks, and a tie. You're trying to tell me the best thing he could find to wear has a hooded sweater?
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We liberal slanted Austinites LOVE hooded sweaters.... :redtowel:
 
I went to Austin two weekends after THE GAME and was looking for a non-hooded sweat shirt. It took an Act of God to find one. I just don't get the hooded sweat shirt look.
 
Porky said:
You respect the office not the person. It's really not that hard. I despised Bill Clinton, but I would have worn the best suit I could find if I were invited to meet him at the White House. The only ridicoulous thing I see here is not being able to differentiate the man and the office. It's no wonder we have the society we do when we can't even agree that certain functions require a certain level of decorum and respectfullness.
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I dont particularly feel the need to show homage or respect to the decorum of the office of the president of the united states. My personal opinion of both the man who currently resides there and the office that he occupies would definitely sway the way i acted in a given situation. Im not the type to fall in line because polite society dictates it. If I was invited to the white house, I would decline, and if it was a "team" function to which i had to attend, I would wear whatever I felt like wearing. When George Bush visits my house he can wear whatever he likes. By the by, I met GW back when he was just governor and my mother worked on one of his tactical advisory committees. I was in jeans and a t-shirt....he seemed to be okay with my apparent lack of decorum.
 
Bullpen Drew said:
I don't think it's fair to judge him on his attire....

however he is not an intellectual speaker compared to Reggie Bush....as a player Young has more heart....

Those factors will come to play in the decision for the 1st pick.
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Isn't a QB supposed to be smart and articulate?
 
PowerfulDragon said:
Isn't a QB supposed to be smart and articulate?
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When Terry Bradshaw was a young quarterback someone said that Terry Bradshaw was so dumb that he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him a C and an A.
 
swtbound07 said:
I dont particularly feel the need to show homage or respect to the decorum of the office of the president of the united states. My personal opinion of both the man who currently resides there and the office that he occupies would definitely sway the way i acted in a given situation. Im not the type to fall in line because polite society dictates it. If I was invited to the white house, I would decline, and if it was a "team" function to which i had to attend, I would wear whatever I felt like wearing. When George Bush visits my house he can wear whatever he likes. By the by, I met GW back when he was just governor and my mother worked on one of his tactical advisory committees. I was in jeans and a t-shirt....he seemed to be okay with my apparent lack of decorum.
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I nominate this as the most ignorant post ever.
 
Vinny said:
When Terry Bradshaw was a young quarterback someone said that Terry Bradshaw was so dumb that he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him a C and an A.
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nothing has changed on that front
 
Maybe after he wins his first Superbowl and gets invited back he can wear His Tennessee Titan game day uni with greese and all.:superman:

I bet that would get6 a big smile or 2!

I think we should wax Vince now for the Texas Sports Hall of Fame Museum in his Longhorn stuff..
 
Vinny said:
When Terry Bradshaw was a young quarterback someone said that Terry Bradshaw was so dumb that he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him a C and an A.
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i hate the toothless b****rd
 
AtheGreat said:
still, its the idea of it all. you have to have the respect for the place and person you're seeing. there is no way that, once he got there, he couldn't have gotten a suit in D.C. somewhere. he's a great althelte but his class really comes into question with this. oh, and when i saw the thing in the newpaper about him charging $100 for a picture, i almost choked on my toast. guy could really use some lessons in humility.
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Dude, he arrived right before the ceremony. They lost his suit, what is he supposed to do, just not show up? Or maybe he should get there a few hours late. Its not that easy to get a suit off the shelf for someone as big as Vince Young.

Im sure you are a Reggie Bush fan, and since you were so pissed about Vince "charging" $80 for an auto and $99 for a pic, look at Mr. Bush....

REGGIE BUSH* *
Sunday 1:00 p.m.

FLAT UP TO 16X20 $99
MINI HELMET $109
FOOTBALL $119
FULL SIZE HELMET, JERSEY, #, ARTWORK $149
INSCRIPTION $39
- Up to five words
PHOTO OPP $119

http://www.tristarproductions.com/shows/SF206/schedule.htm
 
Vinny said:
When Terry Bradshaw was a young quarterback someone said that Terry Bradshaw was so dumb that he couldn't spell cat if you spotted him a C and an A.
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I am sure it was a Cowboy--I want to say Hollywood Henderson although it might have been Cliff Harris.
 
Bullpen Drew said:
I don't think it's fair to judge him on his attire....

however he is not an intellectual speaker compared to Reggie Bush....as a player Young has more heart....

Those factors will come to play in the decision for the 1st pick.
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He's not the 1st and certainly won't be the last talented athlete that has problems speaking publicly. Steve McNair has the same problem and noone suggested that he not be drafted.
 
This thread is hilarious. I mean, if you hate VY, at least hate on him for a legit reason like his throwing motion or something. Saying we shouldn't draft him because of this incident is grasping at straws. If George W Bush doesn't care, then why should it matter?

For an encore, you guys need to start a thread bashing VY based on what cereal he eats for breakfast. I can see it now; WHAT?!?! VY eats Frosted Flakes instead of Coco Puffs?!?!?!? That Jerk!!!! I'm changing my avatar. :)


Hypothetical ? for y'all:

If VY led the Texans to our 1st Super Bowl Championship and didn't wear a suit to the White House, Would y'all still line up to throw rocks at him? :)
 
the Vicks and T.O.s of the league are great athletes and great players.. but I dont want them representing this city, and I dont want them causing problems behind the scenes. We have seen what T.O. can do to a team.. and Vick.. some people may say that he leads his team despite his immaturity and ego, but give it time.. the way he throws the rest of his team under the bus when he doesnt play well is gonna blow up in his face eventually.
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WHOOAAAA cowboy, slow down. comparing vincent young to TO and marucs vick is way out of line.

wow, the guy forgets to pack a suit on a trip to the White House and he is suddenly a lockerroom cancer and criminal?
 
travfrancis said:
WHOOAAAA cowboy, slow down. comparing vincent young to TO and marucs vick is way out of line.

wow, the guy forgets to pack a suit on a trip to the White House and he is suddenly a lockerroom cancer and criminal?
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Haha, its pretty amazing...

Next, I think the Vince Young bashers won't want him because he wears Superman pajamas...

What they don't know is Superman wears Vince Young pajamas....
 
Here's a little perspective, you can make a lot worse travel mistakes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=trailblazerstelfair&prov=st&type=lgns

Like accidentally bringing a handgun onto a plane.

Or shooting your friend on a hunting trip. Or killing a protected species (Governor Bush).* I don't care if Bush and Cheney make innocent mistakes with guns, I can forgive a 22 year old for not getting his suit in time traveling throug hthe east coast in a blizzard. No one is perfect, not our hallowed leaders or gridiron greats.

Seriously, everybody makes little mistakes, you can do worse than an accidental fashion faux pas.

*This post is in no way a reflection of political beliefs, just how ridiculous people can be in judging one person and forgiving another.
 
swtbound07 said:
I dont particularly feel the need to show homage or respect to the decorum of the office of the president of the united states. My personal opinion of both the man who currently resides there and the office that he occupies would definitely sway the way i acted in a given situation. Im not the type to fall in line because polite society dictates it. If I was invited to the white house, I would decline, and if it was a "team" function to which i had to attend, I would wear whatever I felt like wearing. When George Bush visits my house he can wear whatever he likes. By the by, I met GW back when he was just governor and my mother worked on one of his tactical advisory committees. I was in jeans and a t-shirt....he seemed to be okay with my apparent lack of decorum.
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Im getting blasted on a post for being ignorant...must be a wednesday :twocents:
 
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