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Very Fitting Peyton set NFL TD Record vs the Team that SHUNNED HIM

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While the QB that the Texans chose over one of the greatest if not greatest of all time, has his typical check down interception game. Sad part is Peyton could have saved Kubiak's job and staved off a rebuilding process.

This franchise deserves everything that has happened to them. The loyal fan base whose sold out almost every game in existence gets nothing but pain and sadness (and gets blamed and criticized by these same underachieving chokers and losers) and deserve better than this.
 
fire rick smith now.
he doesn't know any better than the guy on the street anyway.

but knowing that mcnair runs the organization like a corrupt mexican padrino system.. i wouldnt get my hopes up.

you can suck a$$ in mcnairs texans nfl and still keep your job.
 
Lord Bills said:
The loyal fan base whose sold out almost every game in existence gets nothing but pain and sadness (and gets blamed and criticized by these same underachieving chokers and losers) and deserve better than this.
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Actually, the fans have subsidized what they've gotten, so you could easily argue they get what they deserve as well. You want more of something, support it. That way I get to watch it on TV at least. :)
 
who cares..did you guys really want this playoff choke artist anyways? we have won plenty of regular season games with schaub and grabbing another choke artist would be a pretty lateral move even if he is the best reg season qb ever.
 
qqert said:
fire rick smith now.
he doesn't know any better than the guy on the street anyway.

but knowing that mcnair runs the organization like a corrupt mexican padrino system.. i wouldnt get my hopes up.

you can suck a$$ in mcnairs texans nfl and still keep your job.
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Isn't the rumor that Smith wanted to go after him, and Kubiak shot him down?
 
2012Champs said:
Manning wasn't an option for the texans as much as I would have loved to see it
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Yeah. Also, what he's done since Indy was the absolute best-case scenario during the time he was recovering from neck surgery and nobody knew at all what to expect from him. At that time Schaub had his naysayers, I dabbled as one myself that year, but his stock then was much higher then than it is now.

Saying the Texans dropped the ball is an accurate statement, but hardly the unforgivable, mindless non-move some make it out to be today.

Would I have gone for him? I think so, given my thoughts on Schaub vs the potential upside of Manning. But I say that after the fact with no repercussions to be had.
 
Lord Bills said:
While the QB that the Texans chose over one of the greatest if not greatest of all time, has his typical check down interception game. Sad part is Peyton could have saved Kubiak's job and staved off a rebuilding process.

This franchise deserves everything that has happened to them. The loyal fan base whose sold out almost every game in existence gets nothing but pain and sadness (and gets blamed and criticized by these same underachieving chokers and losers) and deserve better than this.
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Spoken like a man with 20-20 hindsite.

Just go away.
 
rumors and more rumors. When I hear some confessions out of the mouths of Manning, Kubiak, Smith or McNair, it's all conjecture. All of it.
 
Heath Shuler said:
I know you said it was a rumor, but do you have any kind of link? I would like to hear more.
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Like I said, it's a rumor, and I can't remember where I've heard and/or read it. It may have been the radio, heck, it may have been this board.

I'm certainly not saying I believe it, but I will say what I firmly believe, and that is that whether Rick Smith loved the idea of Peyton coming to play for the Texans with all his heart, or whether he abhorred the notion, his opinion had zero to do with what went down with Peyton from a Texans standpoint. That was all a function of some combination of Kubiak, McNair, and the salary cap situation at the time.
 
Kubiak would never have let a QB like Manning on the Texans who he couldn't control completely. Manning would have made Kubiak extremely insecure and uncomfortable. He would have had to submit to Manning's knowledge at the position and would have looked really bad once he clashed with Manning when Manning would have wanted to run his audibles on every play. I don't see how they could have ever co-existed together with how Kubiak's nature of running an offense is. With Kubiak here, we never had a chance at a QB like Manning.
 
Texecutioner said:
Kubiak would never have let a QB like Manning on the Texans who he couldn't control completely. Manning would have made Kubiak extremely insecure and uncomfortable. He would have had to submit to Manning's knowledge at the position and would have looked really bad once he clashed with Manning when Manning would have wanted to run his audibles on every play. I don't see how they could have ever co-existed together with how Kubiak's nature of running an offense is. With Kubiak here, we never had a chance at a QB like Manning.
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Outside of all that the texans didn't have they money and Manning wasn't 100%
 
Why is it that Texans feel that all these QBs COULD have been on their team? Whether it's the University of Texas or Texan fans, it is strange.
 
Heath Shuler said:
I know you said it was a rumor, but do you have any kind of link? I would like to hear more.
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I've heard the same thing. As a matter of fact the rumor was that McNair and Kubiak shot his idea down....not just Kubiak. I know one of the radio personalities are spewing this. I'll try to find it on my twitter feed.
 
2012Champs said:
Outside of all that the texans didn't have they money and Manning wasn't 100%
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You don't know what they could have had. In many instances teams dump certain players or make other trades to free up space to make big splash moves. I never said if the Texans could have or couldn't have made the move. It would have been very difficult financially, but not impossible.
 
maybe its for the best tho Isnt our goal to win Super Bowls and with the choke artist peyton is in the post season I don't tink he would have one a sB here in Houston or I could be wrong ..???? this team was loaded for peyton last year
 
2012Champs said:
Manning wasn't an option for the texans as much as I would have loved to see it
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Why?

Peyton runs his own system and Gary wouldn't give up control. That could never happen?

BoB didn't want to pay Peyton? Salary cap? You make room to sign Peyton Manning. Cut JoJo to sign Peyton? Yep Cut Duane Brown,? Yep cut AJ? yep

I think you're gettin my vibe and I said it at the time
 
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Are Texans fans really so stupid that they don't understand the team was in cap trouble in 2012? They let Mario Williams and Biscuit walk, cut Winston and traded Ryans that offseason just to sneak in under the cap. Schaub was still under contract and cutting/trading him would have left additional millions in dead money on the cap at the QB position in addition to Manning's rather considerable hit.

Where do you think they were going to get $20 million per year to sign Manning?

Some of you need to be dragged out into the street and beaten with your keyboard until you lose the ability to type.
 
Texecutioner said:
You don't know what they could have had. In many instances teams dump certain players or make other trades to free up space to make big splash moves. I never said if the Texans could have or couldn't have made the move. It would have been very difficult financially, but not impossible.
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steelbtexan said:
Why?

Peyton runs his own system and Gary wouldn't give up control. That could never happen?

BoB didn't want to pay Peyton? Salary cap? You make room to sign Peyton Manning. Cut JoJo to sign Peyton? Yep Cut Duane Brown,? Yep cut AJ? yep

I think you're gettin my vibe and I said it at the time
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It's clear you two forget what the cap looked like at the time. Revisionist at best and not shocking from either of you
 
You're still peddling this tripe out here? I don't believe it for a number of reasons


1.) We were in cap hell. Our moves over the last couple of years should tell you that it would've been tough to get him in here for the type of money he was asking for.

2.) We didn't know how he'd come back. The move could've easily ended up like the Ed Reed debacle we had this year...only much more costly.

3.) Denver didn't even want to give him free reign to run his system at first...so I doubt Gary would've let him have it here....

4.) I just have a hard time believing he was serious about coming here. Smith could've pursued him all he wanted, I just don't think we were a serious contender to land him..I imagine it was more of an Orlando Pace leveraging situation for Denver to give him what he wanted in salary.
 
Goatcheese said:
Are Texans fans really so stupid that they don't understand the team was in cap trouble in 2012? They let Mario Williams and Biscuit walk, cut Winston and traded Ryans that offseason just to sneak in under the cap. Schaub was still under contract and cutting/trading him would have left additional millions in dead money on the cap at the QB position in addition to Manning's rather considerable hit.

Where do you think they were going to get $20 million per year to sign Manning?

Some of you need to be dragged out into the street and beaten with your keyboard until you lose the ability to type.
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They just have to have someone to blame .... Its easier to say "we didn't want him" than it is to say "we couldn't afford him" .... Or to realize he had just come off FOUR NECK Operations and that there was NO Guarantee he would play anywhere remotely close to his former self.


As much as I hate to admit it , I was cheering the guy yesterday .... glad he broke the record and did it against the Texans , a team he had beaten 16 of 18 try's over a 9 year span prior to Sunday. I hope he breaks Brees record for passing yards next week against the Raiders. He only needs 391 yards to do it.
 
2012Champs said:
It's clear you two forget what the cap looked like at the time. Revisionist at best and not shocking from either of you
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So you're telling me that when Peyton was available there was no way they could've cut players at the time to make cap room for Peyton?

Nope, more likely Gary didn't want Peyton because he would have had to give up control of the offense and you know that wasn't going to happen.

This is very simple as to why Peyton isn't a Texan today.
1. Peyton wanted too much $$$$.
2. Gary wanted a QB he could control. (Schaub) And the rest is history. 2-14 on the way.
 
steelbtexan said:
So you're telling me that when Peyton was available there was no way they could've cut players at the time to make cap room for Peyton?

Nope, more likely Gary didn't want Peyton because he would have had to give up control of the offense and you know that wasn't going to happen.

This is very simple as to why Peyton isn't a Texan today.
1. Peyton wanted too much $$$$.
2. Gary wanted a QB he could control. (Schaub) And the rest is history. 2-14 on the way.
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What is so hard for you to understand about "The Texans didnt have the money" ?

You are missing a huge number 3 and that was Manning's health
 
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Like I stated before, this was a damn if you do, damn if you don't situation with Manning...

If the Texans found a way to give him a huge contract and he ends up getting hurt, we kill the FO for making that move...

Manning signs with another team and tears it up in record fashion, we kill the FO for not making that move.

I would have loved to see Manning in Battle Red, but the fact remains, Texans had no money, Manning had no feeling in his right arm...

With the luck this team has had with FAs, Manning would have gotten hurt and Texans would have had to eat a huge chunk of the contract...

Broncos were in a better financial situation to take the chance, Texans were not...
 
2012Champs said:
What is so hard for you to understand about "The Texans didnt have the money" ?

You are missing a huge number 3 and that was Manning's health
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You're correct on #3.

As far as the money goes, it's just an excuse. You cut players to make room for a Peyton Manning. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

This was about taking a risk on Peyton's health, Gary's control and BoB's willingness to comit so much of the cap to one player. BoB/Gary were unwilling to take that risk, the Broncos were and the rest is history. To those willing to take risks, the greater the risk the greater the reward. BoB/Rick/Gary are not risk takers. Why because they dont have to be. The stadium is full every Sunday.
 
I think the real reason the texans look bad out of all this is that they had, te previous year, decided to shift resources towards creating a power D. They spent their cap room for the foreseeable in fixing the secondary and spent a number of high draft picks there at a time when the nfl was moving the goalposts to eliminate shutdown D due to lawsuits (an likely because the product is more marketable with high scoring shootouts).

Manning was available at a time when there were concerns about his ability to play, and our cap situation made it difficult (obviously they could have got it done had they wanted to but it wasn't going to be easy).

I seem to remember a core argument being that manning would come here cheap for whatever reason which I think was wishful thinking on the part of those saying it, that largely gets forgotten by people who now want to say we should have signed him.

I'm far from 100% behind rick smith, but I can definitely see how the factors that have cost this team could not have been forseen by him.

But anyway, well done to Peyton, he deserves the success and let not forget that Brady had randy moss in his prime when the benchmark was set. Manning hasn't got a target that good, just wish I could have enjoyed more of his career had he been in the NFC or something.
 
steelbtexan said:
You're correct on #3.

As far as the money goes, it's just an excuse. You cut players to make room for a Peyton Manning. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

This was about taking a risk on Peyton's health, Gary's control and BoB's willingness to comit so much of the cap to one player. BoB/Gary were unwilling to take that risk, the Broncos were and the rest is history. To those willing to take risks, the greater the risk the greater the reward. BoB/Rick/Gary are not risk takers. Why because they dont have to be. The stadium is full every Sunday.
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The money isnt an excuse its reality. I could afford a Ferrari, if I sold everything else I own. That said the Ferrari has been in a couple of wrecks and hasnt really been opened up in some time. Buying it without really driving it would make me uneasy.


The Texans not having the money and not being able to sell everything to get Manning are two differnet things. Denver didnt have to go on a sellathon so their risk was less than that of the Texans
 
steelbtexan said:
You're correct on #3.

As far as the money goes, it's just an excuse. You cut players to make room for a Peyton Manning. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

This was about taking a risk on Peyton's health, Gary's control and BoB's willingness to comit so much of the cap to one player. BoB/Gary were unwilling to take that risk, the Broncos were and the rest is history. To those willing to take risks, the greater the risk the greater the reward. BoB/Rick/Gary are not risk takers. Why because they dont have to be. The stadium is full every Sunday.
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Of course its not about the money. that's just a convenient excuse some texans fans want to use in order to rationalize missing out on peyton manning.

You are absolutely correct that if peyton freaking manning shows interest in playing for you (which he did according to multiple reports which would make sense; texans were loaded at the time ready to win) you make room.

Heck you at least gauge interest, and see what their asking price is. Instead the texans fresh off winning the division with schaub acted like they were too cool for school and didnt even bother meeting peyton, they didnt even bother doing their due diligence because of Kubiak's blind devotion to schaub.

Money was not an issue. If it truly was, you would have found a way not to make it an issue.

Now if the texans actually met with peyton and they came out of that meeting and said peyton's price is too high, then i would have been totally fine with it. At least they made a concerted effort to see if they could get peyton.

Texans didnt even bother which is what's troubling to this very day.

At least give yourself a chance.
 
Lord Bills said:
Of course its not about the money. that's just a convenient excuse texans fans in order to rationalize missing out on peyton manning.

You are absolutely correct that if peyton freaking manning shows interest in playing for you (which he did according to multiple reports which would make sense; texans were loaded at the time ready to win) you make room.
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If you made room you wouldnt be loaded



Lord Bills said:
Heck you at least gauge interest, and see what their asking price is. Instead the texans fresh off winning the division with schaub acted like they were too cool for school and didnt even bother meeting peyton, they didnt even bother doing their due diligence because of Kubiak's blind devotion to schaub.
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Do you know that the Texans didnt know the asking price was?



Lord Bills said:
Money was not an issue. If it truly was, you would have found a way not to make it an issue.
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well thats about a stupid of a statement as you could get


Lord Bills said:
Now if the texans actually met with peyton and they came out of that meeting and said peyton's price is too high, then i would have been totally fine with it. At least they made a concerted effort to see if they could get peyton.

Texans didnt even bother which is what's troubling to this very day.

At least give yourself a chance.
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What year did you work for the texans?
 
steelbtexan said:
You're correct on #3.

As far as the money goes, it's just an excuse. You cut players to make room for a Peyton Manning. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

This was about taking a risk on Peyton's health, Gary's control and BoB's willingness to comit so much of the cap to one player. BoB/Gary were unwilling to take that risk, the Broncos were and the rest is history. To those willing to take risks, the greater the risk the greater the reward. BoB/Rick/Gary are not risk takers. Why because they dont have to be. The stadium is full every Sunday.
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Lol at taking risks..The FO is blasted daily on this MB for "taking risks". The extension of Schaub coming off the Lisc Franc.....huge risk.....Not attempting to resign Glover Quinn in an effort to go after & eventually sign Ed Reed....huge risk......Letting go of Winston & Briesel for the garbage that has manned our right side OL since....huge risk.

So excuse me if i don't take you seriously on this subject.

Knowing you, i'm sure you would've found a way to malign McNair & the FO if they somehow found a way to move heaven and earth to bring Manning in & he played like dog turds or was injured for the majority of his time with us......which at the time was a very real scenario.
 
2012Champs said:
If you made room you wouldnt be loaded
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peyton was coming off major neck surgery. he wasnt asking for the highest contract in professional sports history. If the texans were actually serious and actually saw peyton, they would have had a serious discussion with money.

They never bothered hence we will never know.


Do you know that the Texans didnt know the asking price was?
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They didnt bother meeting him. Just look at the quotes kubiak gave the chronicle during that time. It was quite dismissive of the notion of bringing peyton in and they were completely enamored with schaub.

Just like you.


well thats about a stupid of a statement as you could get
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If money was an issue (roster/cap wise), you make the necessary moves to not make it an issue.

Do try to keep up.



What year did you work for the texans?
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What year did you?
 
Mr teX said:
Knowing you, i'm sure you would've found a way to malign McNair & the FO if they somehow found a way to move heaven and earth to bring Manning in & he played like dog turds or was injured for the majority of his time with us......which at the time was a very real scenario.
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If Manning had come here and his neck went again or his arm strength had proved diminished as feared these same folks would be screaming at the top of their lungs - just like they are now. It's all hindsight BS.

Lord Bills said:
They didnt bother meeting him.
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You don't need a meeting to find out the ballpark they are considering. It's a 10 second telephone conversation with the agent ending in "he is in the $20 mil per year range." Those calls are customary prelims and fans virtually never hear the details or even if they took place.
 
Lord Bills said:
Of course its not about the money. that's just a convenient excuse some texans fans want to use in order to rationalize missing out on peyton manning.

You are absolutely correct that if peyton freaking manning shows interest in playing for you (which he did according to multiple reports which would make sense; texans were loaded at the time ready to win) you make room.

Heck you at least gauge interest, and see what their asking price is. Instead the texans fresh off winning the division with schaub acted like they were too cool for school and didnt even bother meeting peyton, they didnt even bother doing their due diligence because of Kubiak's blind devotion to schaub.

Money was not an issue. If it truly was, you would have found a way not to make it an issue.

Now if the texans actually met with peyton and they came out of that meeting and said peyton's price is too high, then i would have been totally fine with it. At least they made a concerted effort to see if they could get peyton.

Texans didnt even bother which is what's troubling to this very day.

At least give yourself a chance.
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I believe this was BoB's call. He's a behind the sceenes micromanager. Gary/Rick take alot of heat because BoB is unwilling to accept risks.

Everything else I agree with in this post.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol at taking risks..The FO is blasted daily on this MB for "taking risks". The extension of Schaub coming off the Lisc Franc.....huge risk.....Not attempting to resign Glover Quinn in an effort to go after & eventually sign Ed Reed....huge risk......Letting go of Winston & Briesel for the garbage that has manned our right side OL since....huge risk.

So excuse me if i don't take you seriously on this subject.

Knowing you, i'm sure you would've found a way to malign McNair & the FO if they somehow found a way to move heaven and earth to bring Manning in & he played like dog turds or was injured for the majority of his time with us......which at the time was a very real scenario.
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Dont take me seriously if you wish, but know that after the Lisfranc injury several of us on the MB thought it would end this way for Schaub, same with Reed.

Yes, against C-N-D's warnings I was for signing Manning at the time. You dont get a shot at a HOF QB very often and I was willing to accept that risk. The front office and BoB should be maligned, Rick should be fired. After all they are staring 2-14 in the face.
 
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Lord Bills said:
peyton was coming off major neck surgery. he wasnt asking for the highest contract in professional sports history. If the texans were actually serious and actually saw peyton, they would have had a serious discussion with money.

They never bothered hence we will never know.
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And again if you made room for Manning you wouldnt have been loaded



Lord Bills said:
They didnt bother meeting him. Just look at the quotes kubiak gave the chronicle during that time. It was quite dismissive of the notion of bringing peyton in and they were completely enamored with schaub.

Just like you.
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Which has nothing to do with knowing an asking price



Lord Bills said:
If money was an issue (roster/cap wise), you make the necessary moves to not make it an issue.

Do try to keep up.
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Then you wouldnt have a full roster




Lord Bills said:
What year did you?
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So thats a no you didnt work for the team? I see
 
Lord Bills said:
peyton was coming off major neck surgery. he wasnt asking for the highest contract in professional sports history. If the texans were actually serious and actually saw peyton, they would have had a serious discussion with money.
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With how our cap situation looked at the time & what he actually got, he may as well have been asking for that. There was no way in hell we would've been able to squeeze 20 million a year under our cap without selling the farm to do it.

& if we were to do it, we would've been even more dependent on Smith's drafts to replace talent that we had to let go...Not a very appealing outlook considering what his 2012 & 2013 drafts are looking like right now.
 
2012Champs said:
The money isnt an excuse its reality. I could afford a Ferrari, if I sold everything else I own. That said the Ferrari has been in a couple of wrecks and hasnt really been opened up in some time. Buying it without really driving it would make me uneasy.


The Texans not having the money and not being able to sell everything to get Manning are two differnet things. Denver didnt have to go on a sellathon so their risk was less than that of the Texans
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I think we can agree that the Texans on the field product always has been and is right now far from this Ferrari you speak of.

This really came down to would you rather spend some cap $$$$ on Schaub vs spending more cap $$$$$. BoB chose to spend less on Schaub. (Shocking) The Texans are where they are today because of these decisions made by BoB.
 
Man, the Texans are so stupid. They could've drafted Russell Wilson in the 2nd round of 2012!!

oh wait, wrong Hindsight 20/20 thread. So sorry... :thinking:
 
The Texans didn't have the cap room to sign Manning and if they did the team would have been gutted to do it. The fact that Manning hadn't been cleared to throw yet is another issue. It would have been hard for me to give a guy 90 million and you couldn't even see if he could throw the football. Yes, I know it worked out for Denver but the Texans were already a playoff team and a move like that backfiring in their faces could have set them back years.
 
texanhead08 said:
The Texans didn't have the cap room to sign Manning and if they did the team would have been gutted to do it. The fact that Manning hadn't been cleared to throw yet is another issue. It would have been hard for me to give a guy 90 million and you couldn't even see if he could throw the football. Yes, I know it worked out for Denver but the Texans were already a playoff team and a move like that backfiring in their faces could have set them back years.
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That's not true at all.
 
Honestly, I think it's really simple. Kubiak would not give up the kind (and amount) of control that Manning demands.

All the other details do not matter if the head coach is against the decision.
 
It's just really absurd that an NFL head coach would be stupid enough to say they don't want Peyton Manning because they'd have to let him call audibles.

I believe that's what happened, but it really is ridiculous. Hey, we should fire that guy! :kitten:
 
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