dat_boy_yec
Rookie
Have the results for the three cone deal and the rest of the workout come out yet?
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USC Proday (40) open to public (results inside)
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TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Frak The Jags said:Some of these UT guys are ridiculous. What they all said "Didn't Matter" about VY pro day they are all using AGAINST Bush. Who the heck knows....
True. And I happen to know that (in response to the comment by the magnificent MONARCH) the dumbest schmuck at A&M is still smarter than VY. Don't make me get into this with you...
Gig'em
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I think I heard he was only running the 40, no 3 cone or long shuttle.
LCROD said:
Whatever system they end up in will be designed to maximise their abilities. The VY/Bush debate is really about marginal utility. Think a more conceptual VORP (value over replacement player), weighted for salary. Denver has consistently acted under the premise that running backs shouldn't be pricey, to great success. You plug 'em in, run 'em into the ground, and flip 'em when they want a big pay day. The consensus among NFL executives, however, is that great QB's are worth every cent. For the most part the Dilfer/Johnson thesis has been dismissed, although Belichick might test it when Brady becomes an FA. Even if RB is the best running back prospect ever, he might not be worth $50+ million, especially with DD's handsome pay. Were Bush worth it, you'd think we'd get Tom Hagan on line 2 with "an offer we can't refuse".
JAXwithanX
Waterboy
you know....the wonderlic isn't exactly an aptitude test....i mean....15 is still pretty bad no matter what....but lets face it....when it comes down to it....being smart is just a hopeful quality in a star player....its not a necessity....and yes....even at the QB position (although it does mean more than say....a DT)
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I thought the rest of the events would be held in private. I think that's why we haven't heard anything. I hope I would hate it if he didn't run the cones.Hoth-Boy said:
JAXwithanX
Waterboy
dat_boy_yec said:
yeah that would seriously piss me off....thats like....where the whole aura comes from....his cutting ability.
but then again it is understandable considering reggie bush probably knows that reggie bush looks so amazing at cutting because he has some of the sickest field vision ever....which unfortunately can't be measured.
Johnny Utah said:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ls/preview/2005/08/02/nfl.workout.barber0808/
Here's an idea of what Barber did to get some durability. I'd feel better if Bush was getting under a 750 squat bar, than pumping up reps of 225. Yes, that is freakish upper body strength, but strong legs are so much more applicable.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Dr. Toro said:
I agree. Injuries plague the smaller RBs. He needs to get some bulk. I dont expect him to gain more than 10 pounds though... which will land him at 216 before gameday in August.
http://www.dispatch.com/sports-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/02/26/20060226-E1-01.html
In 2001, Rivals.com claimed that about 40 high-school players had 40 times in the 4.3-second range. Compare that to how the San Diego Union-Tribune reported last year that timing officials had broken down videotape of sprinter Ben Johnsons infamous steroidfueled 100-meter run of 9.79 seconds. They determined that Johnson ran the first 40 yards (converted from meters) in 4.38 seconds.
(Incidentally, Deion Sanders is the fastest-timed player in the history of the combine, recording a 4.29 in 1989.)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek29.htm
These times are based on electronic timing on a track as opposed to hand timing. Electronic times are more accurate and as of result the time will be higher. Electronic timing can add .05 to .15 to your 40. Also keep in mind track times will be a little faster than on a field.
http://www.usoc.org/11611_32384.htm
Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds.
He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake.
And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol.
Four-point-three-eight seconds.
Then again, maybe Ben Johnson isn't the fastest 40-yard man in the world.
Maybe half the NFL is faster.
In 2001, Rivals.com claimed that about 40 high-school players had 40 times in the 4.3-second range. Compare that to how the San Diego Union-Tribune reported last year that timing officials had broken down videotape of sprinter Ben Johnsons infamous steroidfueled 100-meter run of 9.79 seconds. They determined that Johnson ran the first 40 yards (converted from meters) in 4.38 seconds.
(Incidentally, Deion Sanders is the fastest-timed player in the history of the combine, recording a 4.29 in 1989.)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek29.htm
These times are based on electronic timing on a track as opposed to hand timing. Electronic times are more accurate and as of result the time will be higher. Electronic timing can add .05 to .15 to your 40. Also keep in mind track times will be a little faster than on a field.
http://www.usoc.org/11611_32384.htm
Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds.
He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake.
And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol.
Four-point-three-eight seconds.
Then again, maybe Ben Johnson isn't the fastest 40-yard man in the world.
Maybe half the NFL is faster.
dirty steve
Veteran
corvallis149 said:
rushing for 100 yards isn't really all that great. averaged out, it is about 63 ypg.
i guess trent dilfer led the baltimore ravens to the playoffs when their defense was holding teams to 11-12 points a game.
hot pickle
Canada Eh
if we draft reggie will he most likely be number 25 cause hollings left?
Bush would look awful nice in a texans uni
Bush would look awful nice in a texans uni
JAXwithanX
Waterboy
umm....something tells me ol' Ben Johnson hit a MPH half the NFL dreams about.....he wasn't training for the 40....he was training for a combination of acceleration and the ultimate top speed in a 100. ever watch a 100 race....comparably....everyone is usually pretty close within 40 yards....its that....ya know....10th gear that seperates.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
It sounds as if Bush had an absolutely spectacular pro day - to also include his bench reps and vertical. He will undoubtedly be the first pick in the draft.
As for qb, if some of you guys think it is such a valuable position and that Carr is not the answer, then why aren't you talking up Leinart? After his super performance today, there is no doubt he is the top qb in the draft. Hmmm...
As for qb, if some of you guys think it is such a valuable position and that Carr is not the answer, then why aren't you talking up Leinart? After his super performance today, there is no doubt he is the top qb in the draft. Hmmm...
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
He got a 4.33 on the first 40. Thats 40 milliseconds behind Deion Sanders, the fastest recorded player to enter the NFL. That is impressive. Combined with excellent vision, non-hesitant poise and a cutting ability that is unparalled.... he makes for a well deserved 1st pick.
No doubt, Reggie has the potential to really make some noise. And, I would really like that kind of talent on our team. However........ I'd still rather we take Vince.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Dr. Toro said:
Tom has been out in Vegas dealing with the new business. Very profitable, high margins. I don't think he has the muscle to pull this deal off.
Mr.Scarface
Rookie
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3765700.html
Bush just assured himself as the Texans' pick.
Bush just assured himself as the Texans' pick.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
corvallis149 said:
Thats an out-right crazy thing to say. Defense wins championships. There are few cases where a team had a poor defense and had a SB win. A good QB cant always be expected to delivery his team to the playoffs and beyond. P Man with the Colts is an example. He would never win a SB without a RB, and now that Edge is gone, who knows.
TexanFan881
All Pro
I'm really excited to have him on our team 
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Next season we work out the kinks, get familiar with the new faces. After that, we will have our young Reggie breaking records as if he were the first man to play the game 
bkimble said:I don't understand the phenomenon with Reggie Bush. I think he is an excellent prospect but not the best collage prospect.
Maybe you know something that everyone else that analized the draft this year doesn't. Bush is at the top of everyone's draft board. Let me rephrase that.... EVERYBODY'S. I shudder to think who you might think is better. Dare I ask?
Crazy4Texas said:
I agree. I am much more likely to believe you than a news reporter that makes his money and is held in high enough esteem to be hired by NFL.com. What is everyone thinking? And as far as bias is concerned.... he obviously has plenty, whereas you, on the other hand... have none. I'm glad you finally enlightened us to having a proper perspective. Thanks.
Has any of these RB haters on this board actually seen the kid play? The arguments made here against him are absolutely retarded. I am a native Texan and UT fan living in Arizona who was forced to watch EVERY single USC game played this last year (Pac-10 games dominate the tube on the West coast). I am a former D-1 linebacker who knows a "little" about football talent. IMO Bush and Mario Williams are the type of players who only come around every 10 to 15 years. I don't care about his size or if he ran a 5.33 (sarcasm), the kid is a born, phenomenol football player. When you have guys like L. Thomlinson (who IMO is the BEST back in all of football) saying that Bush is ALREADY a better back then himself.....how can you possibly argue with any of the "hype" that surrounds this kid. I'm tired of these armchair scouts who know jack **** about football acting like they are son of Mel Kiper.
Huge1 said:
Bless you Huge 1. I live on the west coast too, and see all the same games. You are absolutely right. And it's going to be a gas to watch the Texans next season. And all those Bush haters will be singing a different tune once they see him play. I'm ready to order my Battle Red # 5 jersey.
http://www.sparqtraining.com/
This company out of Portland did USC proday. They only do Usc's. They also do highschool and Nike Camps. I ask one of the guys how accurate the 40's are? they say they are very accurate.
This company out of Portland did USC proday. They only do Usc's. They also do highschool and Nike Camps. I ask one of the guys how accurate the 40's are? they say they are very accurate.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Huge1 said:
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. And it's also funny seeing this guy arguing with Gil Brandt, one of the all time great personell experts who masterminded the great Cowboys teams of the 70's and 80's, who was with the boys longer than he has probably been alive, and knows more football in one molecule in his pinky toe than this Texas moron has in his entire body. And, it really doesn't take long to see he is just a tad biased. His avatar is horns, and has texas in his name, not Texans. You are the weakest link - goodbye.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Tejaspro said:
I dont agree with many people, but i agree with one sentence..i've said it once, i'll say it again. IF, read...IF reggie is drafted, the second they announce his name i stop all the negativity instantly, i cheer for him because he is a texan. That goes for any player fortunate enough to wear our colors. For me the debate stops april 29th. I can say right now that reggie bush the PROSPECT will bust out in the nfl, and i think he will. When he dons battle red, steel blue, or liberty white, he becomes one of us, and i predict nothing but victory. That doesnt change my cerebral opinion, but i watch football with my heart. The texans are my heart.
yep
1-9 Quarterbacks and Kickers
10-19 Quarterbacks, Receivers, and Kickers
20-49 Running Backs and Defensive Backs
50-59 Centers and Linebackers
60-79 Defensive Linemen and Offensive Linemen
80-89 Receivers and Tight Ends
90-99 Defensive Linemen and Linebackers
he could be #25, 35, or 45
1-9 Quarterbacks and Kickers
10-19 Quarterbacks, Receivers, and Kickers
20-49 Running Backs and Defensive Backs
50-59 Centers and Linebackers
60-79 Defensive Linemen and Offensive Linemen
80-89 Receivers and Tight Ends
90-99 Defensive Linemen and Linebackers
he could be #25, 35, or 45
Mike Kerns
LYSB Podcast
Who are you & what have you done with the REAL Swtbound ?
Just kidding. Not like you are MONARCH or something who will probaly throw himself out of a 2nd story window at about 12:10 on April 29th.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
lol, man that monarch is a character, I wonder what his posts will be like after the draft. Oh let me try.Frak The Jags said:Who are you & what have you done with the REAL Swtbound ?
Just kidding. Not like you are MONARCH or something who will probaly throw himself out of a 2nd story window at about 12:10 on April 29th.
Thou hast forsaken the native son.......YOU WILL BE SMOTTEN FOR THOU TREACHEROUS ACTIONS.....blah,blah,blah. LONG LIVE THE YOUNG KINGDOM....whereever that is
Monarch
Mario Williams
Noob
Give him #23... next Michael Jordan.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Frak The Jags said:Who are you & what have you done with the REAL Swtbound ?
Just kidding. Not like you are MONARCH or something who will probaly throw himself out of a 2nd story window at about 12:10 on April 29th.
Lol....dont get me wrong, Im still going to argue vehemently for VY until zero hour, and Im still going to say a lot of people will owe me apologys for doubting me. But there is a time to throw down the gloves and retire...And for me, the debate ends, win or lose, at the draft. Be it Vince or reggie or suprise, then Im supporting. If i supported matt stevens, i can certainly do this.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
Guess Morency is just gonna have to give up that 34 so we can continue the legacy of its greatness in houston. 34 should not be on the bench what the hell was Morrency thinking. J/K
platnumdelgado
Practice Squad
So it is a now guarenteed we get Bush at #1 after his workout 2day?