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Dunta_23 said:
I didn't read anything after dime a dozen running back...name 1 that has done what he has done in college football
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O.K. lets see, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams both hyseman winners and put up equal numbers.
 
:brickwall This is funny VY runs a 4.57 and its okay cause he plays fast . Reggie Bush runs a 4.33 and people are dissapointed . I heard RB got around a 30 on his wunderlich . I guess VY's 7 is okay cause he plays fast
 
Crazy4Texas said:
I like Dom Davis. guy plays his heart off ofr us and to shaft his hard work by bringing in a guy we don't need is really weak, the same is said for Carr.
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Talent>>>Heart

Translation

Bush>>>Davis
 
Look he ran an excellent 40 and he's shown that he's really fast. But it's not speed that makes Reggie Bush special it's his cutback ability that made him one of the greatest college football players ever. He has excellent speed, but when combined with his ability to stop on a dime and change directions it makes him a really special player.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
O.K. lets see, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams both hyseman winners and put up equal numbers.
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Did either of them run a 4.33? Besides to the buffet line and hemp seller respectively?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:brickwall This is funny VY runs a 4.57 and its okay cause he plays fast . Reggie Bush runs a 4.33 and people are dissapointed . I heard RB got around a 30 on his wunderlich . I guess VY's 7 is okay cause he plays fast
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :redtowel: :redtowel: :yahoo:
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Young is a system guy as well. We do not know how he will do in a different offense
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If they're both products of their system. Which of the two are more likely to end up in a version of their system in pros? VY in a shotgun, or RB in any type (Much less a run oriented like ours will be)?
 
Nawzer said:
Look he ran an excellent 40 and he's shown that he's really fast. But it's not speed that makes Reggie Bush special it's his cutback ability that made him one of the greatest college football players ever. He has excellent speed, but when combined with his ability to stop on a dime and change directions it makes him a really special player.
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this is the most salient point in this discussion, IMO ....
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Biased?

Using Reggie's fastest 40, the 4.33, only 4 players ran faster then he did at the combine. Chad Jackson with a 4.32, Tim Jennings with the same, Joseph ran a 4.31 and Hill ran a 4.3.

Of those 4 only, Jackson is bigger; and if the reults are true, Reggie bet him in all the other categories were they both ran/did.

He's certainly faster then everybody's favorite man crush.
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Let me put my input in based on in the information I retrieved from NFL. Com. Reggie's Pro Day stats were as follows:

Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40½-inch vertical jump,.

That information isn't new, but this little excert above should shed alittle light on what many called an impressive 40, but not mind boggling.

They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.

So, let's do the math. 4.33 the first time he ran translates to 4.25 on his first run and a 4.29 on his second run. All of my info is based off NFL.com
 
LikeABoss said:
Talent>>>Heart

Translation

Bush>>>Davis
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I don't think you can say talent is greater than heart. Reggie hasn't played a down in the NFL yet so we can't compare his talent level to Davis yet. I think Reggie Bush is great, and I hope we get him, but look at Ricky Williams. He had all the talent in the world, but he blew it. Bryce Drew from Valpo awhile back carried his team to a few victories in the NCAA's and that was all heart. Now once he got to the NBA, that was a differerent story.
 
LikeABoss said:
Talent>>>Heart

Translation

Bush>>>Davis
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lol....that formula isn't exactly scientific....anyways....it depends on the degree of difference in talent....even though between Bush and DD....well....Bush's talent supercedes DD's heart....i just am not so sure we need a RB more than we need a QB....but this year at least we can hopefully keep him on his feet enough to tell.
 
Casserley is not going to make the decision. He's on a very short leash. The decision on how to use the #1 pick will be made by Bob McNair and Gary Kubiak.
 
dhaNim said:
....and they say it was an electronic clock so you can supposedly shave .08 of a second off the time. meaning you can say he ran close to a 4.25! now thats blazing!
he's definetely the first pick on the Houston Texans!
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Exactly and can you believe a few people on here weren't impressed.....come on now.
 
O.G. said:
Let me put my input in based on in the information I retrieved from NFL. Com. Reggie's Pro Day stats were as follows:

Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40½-inch vertical jump,.

That information isn't new, but this little excert above should shed alittle light on what many called an impressive 40, but not mind boggling.

They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.

So, let's do the math. 4.33 the first time he ran translates to 4.25 on his first run and a 4.29 on his second run. All of my info is based off NFL.com
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yeah....i don't necessarily understand that whole electronic time reason thing....and it seems somewhat sketchy....but if it is on nfl.com....well....i'm going to give that benefit of the doubt.....in which that case....well now Bush's speed would be just as elite as his skills.....we aren't going to find anyone timed at 4.25....much less who weighs 200 pounds. i just still don't understand how you would bother measuring something electronically....knowing it was going to be off some. seems like it sort of defeats the purpose.
 
What good is Bush is he does not make it out of TC. If we draft him we will be paying NFL premium for three Wide Recievers, Bush, Johnson, and Moulds, because he is too small to play running back. Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.
 
The Dude Abides said:
Reggie hasn't played a down in the NFL yet so we can't compare his talent level to Davis yet.
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Even if Reggie hasn't played a single down in the NFL yet, there is now way you can sit up here and say that Domanick Davis talent level is the same as Reggie's. Domanick does not have the agility, field vision, and speed of Reggie Bush. Davis has never shown these three things in college nor the pros. The only concern about Reggie is how quick will his game translate into the pros. We already know what we are getting with Domanick, and that is not saying too much considering that he was the only consistent option we have had at the running back position. I expect way better production with Reggie in the backfield.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
What good is Bush is he does not make it out of TC. If we draft him we will be paying NFL premium for three Wide Recievers, Bush, Johnson, and Moulds, because he is too small to play running back. Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.
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man i go to UT and your killing me....its why i feel hesitant to rep one of the best school's in the nation on this board....
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Justin Fargas (6-1, 219, 4.32/40, 27/BP, 11’5"/LJ, 7%/BF) | USC
http://www.ffmastermind.com/2003/premium/madness/combineresults.html

Faster, bigger and is a backup in the NFL, oh and came from the same school and same system. Bush is a joke, all hype
HMMM took me 3 min to already find a guy faster!
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I'm on record on these boards for being in the "trade down" camp. I believe, as a rule, that the 1st pick of the draft is overvalued. Furthermore, I think that injuries and longevity should devalue RBs. However, you are a fool! If you want to be a Longhorn homer, that's fine. However, you lose all credibility when you behave this way.

Yes, there are a few men on the planet faster than Bush. Also, there are some men on this planet stronger than Bush. However, it has been a very long time since a college RB entered the NFL with his measurables and his level of college football success. He is in the Tony Dorsett, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, Hershel Walker category. His potential is almost limitless. Personally, I would still trade down or even take Ferguson #1, but it will be fun to watch him on Sundays anyway.
 
LikeABoss said:
Even if Reggie hasn't played a single down in the NFL yet, there is now way you can sit up here and say that Domanick Davis talent level is the same as Reggie's. Domanick does not have the agility, field vision, and speed of Reggie Bush. Davis has never shown these three things in college nor the pros. The only concern about Reggie is how quick will his game translate into the pros. We already know what we are getting with Domanick, and that is not saying too much.
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i don't know about all that....DD is pretty damn good....if not for the injuries....well i think this draft would be looking way different....not because we would be a shoe-in taking VY....but because we would be picking around 4th or 5th.
 
The news reorter who wrote that article for NFL.com is out of his mind. Electric timing is the standard for acurate timing across the world. If Bush ran a 4.33 then that is his time, not 4.23 or 4.43. I guess the guys in the olympics run a tenth of a second faster than what they time in at. What a dumb comment, very biased towards Reggie type of comment.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
You asked who has done what Bush has done, i said Dayne and Williams, well actually they put up better numbers than Bush on the field
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Really..are you sure? Becuase while Dayne and Ricky rushed for more yards they a) did it on alot more carries and b) had an average no where near Bush's 8.7 ypc.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
The news reorter who wrote that article for NFL.com is out of his mind. Electric timing is the standard for acurate timing across the world. If Bush ran a 4.33 then that is his time, not 4.23 or 4.43. I guess the guys in the olympics run a tenth of a second faster than what they time in at. What a dumb comment, very biased towards Reggie type of comment.
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yeah that electronic thing is....i don't understand....did carroll go type that in himself or what?...lol
 
Crazy4Texas said:
What good is Bush is he does not make it out of TC. If we draft him we will be paying NFL premium for three Wide Recievers, Bush, Johnson, and Moulds, because he is too small to play running back. Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.
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Too small to play RB?

Warrick Dunn 5-9 180 lbs
Tiki Barber 5-10 200 lbs
 
Yeah. But he can't help our team. We have DD who rushed for 1000+ yards every season, and Jerome Mathis one of the best return man in NFL. Bush as a Wide Receiver? I saw few people saying that but that is ridiculous. If you look at him only as a wide receiver, he is definitely not worth 1st pick. And Reggie Bush will not lead our team to playoffs. RBs can't lead the team to playoffs. Neither can WR or a return man. Only QB can.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
You asked who has done what Bush has done, i said Dayne and Williams, well actually they put up better numbers than Bush on the field
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it depends on what numbers you're talking about. Jerome Bettis has put up more total yards than Tomlinson in the NFL. Would you rather have Tomlinson or Bettis on your team? Can't you admit that Bush is an amazing RB talent? Perhaps he'll suffer injuries and not pan out. Maybe his career will resemble Warrick Dunn more than Barry Sanders. However, you can say that about any high draft pick. Vince Young could certainly turn out like Randall Cunningham. There are no guarantees.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.
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Money also needs to be spent on giving Carr more offensive weapons to work with.

He didn't have much to work with the past several seasons.
 
johnny....i don't know how we could solve it....but i'm prety sure i'm an even bigger Gob fan than you....just had to say something finally.
 
LikeABoss said:
Money also needs to be spent on giving Carr more offensive weapons to work with.

He didn't have much to work with the past several seasons.
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i think we got him some pretty damn good weapons....i wish every single one of our dam picks after bush would be spent on OL....well....except 5 and up....thats where you start looking for the new punter/kicker or PR/KR
 
Johnny Utah said:
Too small to play RB?

Warrick Dunn 5-9 180 lbs
Tiki Barber 5-10 200 lbs
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Yea both injury prone, i have argued this already, look up in NFL.com and look at there numbers. Both have played like 8 or 9 season with only 4 of those years with 1000 yrd seasons.
 
JAXwithanX said:
johnny....i don't know how we could solve it....but i'm prety sure i'm an even bigger Gob fan than you....just had to say something finally.
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Gob is the man. Sucks that it's getting taken off the air.
 
DominickDavisFan76 said:
If they are still "thinking" between him and Young, then someone should go up and shoot casserly.
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No, don't do that. Wait until Moulds is officially a Texan before you do that.:spy:
 
Johnny Utah said:
I heard that he ran a 4.19 40
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i'm a big sports biography reader....and his and ty cobbs were the most amazing i ever read....i mean....i know they are all about the one individual so they are somewhat exaggerated sometimes....but hell....just watch some of his games....and its just ridiculous....the sickest combo of strength size and speed ever. not to mention everything he picked up sports wise he turned pro in one form or another....including surfing and hockey....HOCKEY!!....the dude grew up in alabama....
 
JAXwithanX said:
i think we got him some pretty damn good weapons....i wish every single one of our dam picks after bush would be spent on OL....well....except 5 and up....thats where you start looking for the new punter/kicker or PR/KR
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If we bring Eric Moulds and Reggie Bush in with the addition of Putzier, then Carr will have some pretty damn good weapons to work with. But the talent of the offenses in the past were nothing to brag about. No #2 WR, no TE, those offenses was just too one-dimensional and too easy to predict.
 
corvallis149 said:
Yeah. But he can't help our team. We have DD who rushed for 1000+ yards every season, and Jerome Mathis one of the best return man in NFL. Bush as a Wide Receiver? I saw few people saying that but that is ridiculous. If you look at him only as a wide receiver, he is definitely not worth 1st pick. And Reggie Bush will not lead our team to playoffs. RBs can't lead the team to playoffs. Neither can WR or a return man. Only QB can.
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Wasn't Shaun Alexander the MVP this season?
 
Johnny Utah said:
Gob is the man. Sucks that it's getting taken off the air.
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man i think HBO or Showtime is going to pick it up....i'm praying man....they have to....if Curb Your Enthusiasm can be succesful....it should be easy to see arrested development can be too on the right channel.
 
dalemurphy said:
it depends on what numbers you're talking about. Jerome Bettis has put up more total yards than Tomlinson in the NFL. Would you rather have Tomlinson or Bettis on your team? Can't you admit that Bush is an amazing RB talent? Perhaps he'll suffer injuries and not pan out. Maybe his career will resemble Warrick Dunn more than Barry Sanders. However, you can say that about any high draft pick. Vince Young could certainly turn out like Randall Cunningham. There are no guarantees.
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Bettis will be in the Hall of Fame, and dude, get real he has played over 10 years of course he has higher numbers, buddy you are really stretching but I am enjoying the debate
 
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