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regardless, even taking his slowest time it was still blazing. Its evident that he will be a Texan in less than a month.

I wish reggie could take the wunderlich


anyone know how he did in his wide reciever drills?
 
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

yeah the times for his size are pretty comparable....except that damn stength.....thats off the charts.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

Okay, it's obvious you're a hatter. 4.35 is fast for a RB or a WR. Barry Sanders ran a 4.37 at the combine so Bush is faster then one of the best NFL gamebreakers of all time.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Hello, 5'10 202 not 205-210 but his 40 sounds good, still have not heard what other scouts had him at. I wonder what he would run with another 8 lbs on that frame. Kinda disapointing that he could only manage 1 lb in weight gain. I say trade down, he is nothing special.

You're laughable.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

Using a .05 or .08 difference in a 40 time to change your opinion about whether or not to draft someone is just foolish.

There's a reason most scouts have made up 90%+ of their evaluations prior to seeing any of these workout numbers.
 
yeah i mean....i don't have a problem with the speed....and he sure as **** isn't a dime a dozen running back.....but until someone clears up exactly whether that is a 4.35 or 4.28....well it is comparable to some other RB's of that size....althought it doesn't compare on the skill level at all.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. .


so if you're wanting us to be accurate where are the numbers that he was 5'10, i thought it was 5'11...



you know what i dont get about the Vince people, well i get it, but its stupid, how they brush Leinart under the table. Imagine how much teams would laugh at us if we drafted not just vince first, but passed on Linart.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.


Lol...
 
JAXwithanX said:
yeah i mean....i don't have a problem with the speed....and he sure as **** isn't a dime a dozen running back.....but until someone clears up exactly whether that is a 4.35 or 4.28....well it is comparable to some other RB's of that size....althought it doesn't compare on the skill level at all.

What other running backs in the NFL or college run a 4.33 40?
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
Using a .05 or .08 difference in a 40 time to change your opinion about whether or not to draft someone is just foolish.

There's a reason most scouts have made up 90%+ of their evaluations prior to seeing any of these workout numbers.

actually that happens all the time....but bush's times are nothing to worry about....he is on the high end of speed for his weight....and his actual skill level by far surpasses 'high-end'....now if it is a 4.28.....he is elite in both qualities.
 
Are they, Jay Cutler put up more benches, and another key factor people forget, at 5'10 Bush has very short arms. The NFL Combine record was broken this year by a linebacker at like 45 and the most often comment you read is that it is much easier for short armed people to put up more reps. I am 6'0 220 and I only lift about three times a week and I have put up 20 reps without bouncing or lifting my butt of the bench. I would not say Bush has super human strength. Because I know I am just normal around most of the guys in the GYM
 
Johnny Utah said:
What other running backs in the NFL or college run a 4.33 40?

well....we don't exactly know for sure now do we considering once they are in the NFL they don't have to go around proving that stuff to anyone anymore....as far as college....well i'm just saying for such a small back its not unbelievable....and yes....RB's in college at that size HAVE ran that efbore....not a million....but its not the quality i guess i should say thats making RB the number one pick.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Are they, Jay Cutler put up more benches, and another key factor people forget, at 5'10 Bush has very short arms. The NFL Combine record was broken this year by a linebacker at like 45 and the most often comment you read is that it is much easier for short armed people to put up more reps. I am 6'0 220 and I only lift about three times a week and I have put up 20 reps without bouncing or lifting my butt of the bench. I would not say Bush has super human strength. Because I know I am just normal around most of the guys in the GYM

Jay Cutler weighs 20 more pounds and put up one less actually. as far as you....well we don't have a combine for you so i can't verify that.....and highly doubt it....
 
Dr. Toro said:
Ronnie Brown ran a 4.32 at 233 pounds.

thank you.....thats all i'm trying to say is the times reggie put up aren't unbelieveable....they are great but its not untreaded territory....**** and ronnie was carrying 32 more pounds of muscle.....thats huge.

i keep feeling like i need to add though that this doesn't deter the fact he should be number 1.....
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Don't you blaspeme in here. :)

For everyone keeping score at home he was the second pick in the draft last year.

Yea..comparing him to Ronnie Brown at this point only helps the argument to take Bush.

I do have some questions about his ability to run north/south and bounce off of tackles, and it's risky to me to use the #1 pick with those kinds of uncertainties. As far as speed and athletic ability though, there's no question he's world class.
 
How many run 4.3, hold on let me do my research and I will get back with you. I know last year C. Williams and R Brown timed 4.3, I know just off the top of my head that Blaylock, Tomlinson, Dunn, Bennet, Holmes, Ducket, Maurice Drew, Kerry Carter, Justin Fargas, all ran 4.3 give me two hours and I bet I can research and find at least 30 that have run 4.3. Most of the guys on this list are bigger than Bush as well. I think he should have added weight like he claimed he has.
 
Dr. Toro said:
Ronnie Brown ran a 4.32 at 233 pounds.

Looks like a mistime to me

I bring up Brown because it's about time more people started talking about him. He spent most of his college career playing second fiddle to his good friend Carnell "Cadillac" Williams, but now he's finally snatching the spotlight for himself. After Brown clocked two scintillating 40-yard dash times in Indianapolis (one officially was at 4.46 while another, unofficially, came in at 4.32), the buzz coming out of the Combine was Brown may be the best all-around running back in this year's draft. It's a fair argument. In today's NFL, a 6-foot, 233-pounder with his speed and versatility would be quite a prize.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jeffri_chadiha/03/01/ronnie.brown/

2. Ronnie Brown, Auburn (6-01/4, 233)
Brown had a complete workout at the combine and ran his 40s in 4.43 and 4.46. He also had a 34-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-9 long jump, 4.08 short shuttle, 7.10 three-cone drill and 18 strength lifts. Brown played running back and safety in high school. He also played baseball and was drafted by the Seattle Mariners. Brown was redshirted at Auburn in 2000 and started five games in 2001. He was the first-team tailback going into the fall of 2002 and started six games that season, leading the team in rushing. He started three games in 2003 and six games in 2004 when he had 153 carries for 913 yards and eight touchdowns along with 34 catches. Brown is a strong runner with very good hands and outstanding speed. He has very good acceleration with very good quickness. He's a little bit of a straight-line runner and not real elusive in space. Brown is very competitive and a very good person.

http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2005/04/20/1/?draft_nav=1
 
Crazy4Texas said:
How many run 4.3, hold on let me do my research and I will get back with you. I know last year C. Williams and R Brown timed 4.3, I know just off the top of my head that Blaylock, Tomlinson, Dunn, Bennet, Holmes, Ducket, Maurice Drew, Kerry Carter, Justin Fargas, all ran 4.3 give me two hours and I bet I can research and find at least 30 that have run 4.3. Most of the guys on this list are bigger than Bush as well. I think he should have added weight like he claimed he has.

Get to work. You've got two hours. Come up with a RB that is faster then 4.33.
 
texansfan4life said:
reggie bush ran a 4.33 at his pro day. www.nfl.com :redtowel:
....and they say it was an electronic clock so you can supposedly shave .08 of a second off the time. meaning you can say he ran close to a 4.25! now thats blazing!
he's definetely the first pick on the Houston Texans!
 
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513LOS ANGELES (April 2, 2006) -- It is said that the city of Los Angeles has always had a professional football franchise: the University of Southern California. Coached by former Jets and Patriots head man Pete Carroll, the Trojans have become the most dominant team in college football the past few years with two national titles in a row and falling just short of a third this past January.

That kind of program has some of the best players at every position every year. And the 2005 team was no different. Led by the last two Heisman trophy winners, Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush, these players are ready to hit the NFL scene. But before they will be drafted, about 150 representatives from every club were on campus for USC's Pro Day. It was an event that was an unbelievable production, one that was bigger than USC had ever put forth before. Just a few in attendance were Packers GM Ted Thompson, Rams coach Scott Linehan, Panthers coach John Fox, Texans coach Gary Kubiak, Giants VP of player evaluation Chris Mara, Eagles VP of player personnel Jason Licht, Vikings director of college scouting Scott Studwell, and the entire Titans coaching staff, including GM Floyd Reese.

The schedule ...
There were 19 draft-eligible players that took part in the workout. The following is a breakdown of their day:

The team representatives started arriving at 7:30 a.m. to an extremely well-organized event. From 8-10 they had a facility for anyone who wanted to study tapes on any of the players. From 10-10:15 they had a mandatory agent meeting. The agents are there, but they don't have access to the field. At 10:15 Carroll spent 30 minutes talking about players in a Q&A session. He took time out to praise his guys on an individual basis. One example was for fullback David Kirtman: "Kirtman came to us as a tailback. A very hard worker who does an excellent job on special teams, he has very good hands, and will block in pass protection. He does everything you want him to do every day of the week."

Players started getting measured for their height, weight, arm length and everything else at 10:45 in Norris Theater. Then at11:30 lunch was available. Following a good meal, the players started their jumps, weight lifting and running. They were broken down into two groups -- A-L and M-Z. That way guys like Reggie Bush would only have to wait about 10 minutes in between 40-yard dashes instead of 20 minutes. Then came the agility drills -- short shuttle and three-cone. Finally at 1 p.m. they started with individual position drills. These players were once again broken down in groups, this time five of them -- DB/LB, QB/WR/TE, RB, OL/DL and P. Punter Tom Malone got his own little workout.

There were about 300 kids and their parents are watching the Pro Day from the stands. If you have ever been to a Hollywood production, this might upstage it. Carroll said the only thing USC wanted to do is make this day better than it's ever been before.


The results …
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about .08 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments

Darnell Bing S Bing (6-1¾, 225) ran his 40s in 4.63 and 4.53. Had a 10-foot-5 long jump, 38-inch vertical jump, and 21 lifts.

William Buchanon WR Buchanon (6-3, 191) ran his 40s twice in 4.38 and had a 40-inch vertical jump. His father, Willie, was a former first-round draft pick as a defensive end from San Diego State.

Reggie Bush RB Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40½-inch vertical jump.

Dominique Byrd TE Byrd (6-2 7/8, 258) ran his 40s in 4.81 and 4.79. Had a 36½-inch vertical jump and 16 lifts.

Winston Justice OT Justice (6-6¼, 320) had a 34½-inch arm length, 39-inch vertical jump, and 38 lifts

David Kirtman FB Kirtman (5-11½, 232) ran his 40 in 5.15, but that was the only time he ran it and it was slow due to the effects of a previously pulled calf. had a 34½-inch vertical jump and 26 lifts.

Matt Leinart QB Leinart (6-5 5/8, 224) had a 9-foot-6 long jump and a 37-inch vertical jump.

Taitusi Lutui OT Lutui (6-3½, 330) ran his 40s in 5.42 and 5.33. Had a 8-foot-6 long jump, 32-inch vertical jump, and 26 lifts.

Tom Malone P Malone (5-11 1/8, 204) only did the bench press because he wanted to be fresh for the punting drills. He had 14 lifts.

Fred Matua G Matua (6-2 3/8, 301) ran his 40s in 5.06 and 5.19. For a guy over 300 pounds to run a 40-yard dash in a theoretical time under fiv seconds, then he made a lot of money today and will shoot up draft boards. He also had a 30-inch vertical and 26 lifts.

Frostee Rucker DE Rucker (6-3¼, 261) ran his 40s in 4.80 and 4.81. Had a 9-foot-7 long jump and a 35-inch vertical jump.

Scott Ware S Ware (6-1¼, 213) had a 36½-inch vertical jump. He did not run.

LenDale White RB White (6-0¾, 244) had 15 lifts, but didn't do any vertical or long jumps. He did not run.

Justin Wyatt CB Wyatt (5-9 1/8, 189) ran his 40s in 4.74 with a bad start but managed a 4.63 with a good start. Had a 10-foot-1 long jump, 40-inch vertical jump, and 14 lifts.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
How many run 4.3, hold on let me do my research and I will get back with you. I know last year C. Williams and R Brown timed 4.3, I know just off the top of my head that Blaylock, Tomlinson, Dunn, Bennet, Holmes, Ducket, Maurice Drew, Kerry Carter, Justin Fargas, all ran 4.3 give me two hours and I bet I can research and find at least 30 that have run 4.3. Most of the guys on this list are bigger than Bush as well. I think he should have added weight like he claimed he has.

1. These guys aren't helping your argument against Bush.

2. So now not only is Reggie's speed less than elite, he's also a liar.

So which team will you be cheering for if Reggie is drafted instead of Vince? I don't know what Reggie did to you - but I don't see how running a 4.33 and 4.37 (.08 of it added because it was a fast track) is counting against him. If your love for Vince is making you hate the guy, atleast stick to valid arguments. Speed isn't one of them.
 
man i know i'm going to get thrown into the LOVE VY category even though i'm saying i want Bush....all because i said one little truth in the fact that that speed....for that size....isn't unheard of. it doesn't have to be a god damn RB it should matter about the size to speed ratio....so that means....pull in the WR and CB's....and you fill find plenty of those times for that weight. am i going to look them up....no....because its common knowledge that at 200 pounds....4.33 isn't unheard of....your the one who wants to know....prove it to yourself cause i already know it.

once again to sum up....none of this really matters though....because yes....his vision and actualy running skill is unparalleled....but the speed isn't unheard of.
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
1. These guys aren't helping your argument against Bush.

2. So now not only is Reggie's speed less than elite, he's also a liar.

So which team will you be cheering for if Reggie is drafted instead of Vince? I don't know what Reggie did to you - but I don't see how running a 4.33 and 4.37 (.08 of it added because it was a fast track) is counting against him. If your love for Vince is making you hate the guy, atleast stick to valid arguments. Speed isn't one of them.

even though i'm not near the homer of crazytexas....he answered what was asked.....who has posted those times?....

and if bush did claim he has gained weight....well...then he sort of did lie....not that i give one **** considering i think he will be just fine at that weight playing ball.
 
JAXwithanX said:
man i know i'm going to get thrown into the LOVE VY category even though i'm saying i want Bush....all because i said one little truth in the fact that that speed....for that size....isn't unheard of. it doesn't have to be a god damn RB it should matter about the size to speed ratio....so that means....pull in the WR and CB's....and you fill find plenty of those times for that weight. am i going to look them up....no....because its common knowledge that at 200 pounds....4.33 isn't unheard of....your the one who wants to know....prove it to yourself cause i already know it.

once again to sum up....none of this really matters though....because yes....his vision and actualy running skill is unparalleled....but the speed isn't unheard of.

I agree the speed isn't unheard of. Yes it didn't rip the clothes from womens bodies a mile away. It didn't form a blackhole and suck LA into an alternate dimension. I know, I know, we all expected it to happen.

On a more serious note, my entire point is that his 40 times shouldn't count against him.

He has enough questions against him without resorting to weak arguments against his speed.
 
Wow, you want to compare Fargas to Bush just because they ran similar 40 times? Christ, your logic for your arguments are ridiculous
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
I agree the speed isn't unheard of. Yes it didn't rip the clothes from womens bodies a mile away. It didn't form a blackhole and suck LA into an alternate dimension. I know, I know, we all expected it to happen.

On a more serious note, my entire point is that his 40 times shouldn't count against him.

Agreed....especially those times which are still on the high end of his weight. I didn't necessarily expect him to even run faster than that anyways....I mean....if you watched his games and his speed is what got you all wet....well....you should go watch track and field or something.
 
BradK10 said:
Wow, you want to compare Fargas to Bush just because they ran similar 40 times? Christ, your logic for your arguments are ridiculous

he was asked to bring up someone with a similar ttime.....not asked to bring up who was just as good....i mean seriously....i'm for bush being our pick but as far as the man-love goes for bush and VY....well its tied.....cause if you mention that either one has ONE quality less than super hero....and its your ***.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Bush is a joke, all hype
HMMM took me 3 min to already find a guy faster!

take a few minutes and list the defensive guys that are that fast ... I'm pretty sure Fargas won't be playing defensive back anytime soon ....
 
JAXwithanX said:
Agreed....especially those times which are still on the high end of his weight. I didn't necessarily expect him to even run faster than that anyways....I mean....if you watched his games and his speed is what got you all wet....well....you should go watch track and field or something.

Yep...and 4.33 is still going to outrun many of the guys chasing him. It isn't an issue.

Anyway time to go get some food...I'll catch up with the discussion when I get back to studying for criminal law.:brickwall
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Trade down Trade down Trade down
Bush is like the QB's from Texas Tech, he is a reflection of a system


All I have to say is "I bet you have never seen Reggie Bush play." Everyone who has seen him play agrees with me.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.


I didn't read anything after dime a dozen running back...name 1 that has done what he has done in college football
 
First off i dont care who we draft, I think our biggest holes to fill are at OL and CB/S. I think that actuall fans of the Texans know that we have a QB, RB, and WR. We lack in the OL the most and it is foolish to think Bush is going to impact our team when history shows that he is average size and speed of guys with his build and on average most are always injured. I like Dom Davis. guy plays his heart off ofr us and to shaft his hard work by bringing in a guy we don't need is really weak, the same is said for Carr.
 
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