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Still pretty impressive but I'm sure there will be some disappointed fans that he didn't break any atomic principles and warp into another dimension with his speed.
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
Still pretty impressive but I'm sure there will be some disappointed fans that he didn't break any atomic principles and warp into another dimension with his speed.


He is saving that for the private workout with the Texans in a few weeks
 
Leinart - 37" vertical, 9'5" broad jump. That's pretty darn good for a QB.
 
ledzeppelin269 said:
Still pretty impressive but I'm sure there will be some disappointed fans that he didn't break any atomic principles and warp into another dimension with his speed.
Darn tootin'!

My water is still water.

All that is left is whine.

:crying:
 
Very good numbers, but we all already knew he was athletic. Anyone hear anything about his running back and/or wide receiver drills?
 
What's the deal with the broadjump. Is it just a standing jump forward, sorry I haven't dealt with track in forever. Also Williams had a 10'9'' broad Jump so would that factor come up in comparisons. Besides that I gotta say wow, that's impressive.
 
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
What's the deal with the broadjump. Is it just a standing jump forward, sorry I haven't dealt with track in forever. Also Williams had a 10'9'' broad Jump so would that factor come up in comparisons. Besides that I gotta say wow, that's impressive.
I would assume it's standing. I can clear 10' running and I'm 41 years old.
 
Darnell Bing - 21 reps, 38" verticle, 10'4" broad, 4.63 & 4.53

Lendale White - 15 reps and nothing else
 
swtbound07 said:
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

Signed,

Vince Young
 
swtbound07 said:
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.


Maybe in the NFL offseason he can be a Rockets reserve guard. We sure could use it.
 
Lucky said:
Leinart - 37" vertical, 9'5" broad jump. That's pretty darn good for a QB.

Are you sure that's right about the vert?

That's the biggest surprise in the whole pre-draft season if true. Totally irrelevant, but impressive. It's hard to believe a guy can jump like that and be that slow.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky
Darnell Bing - 21 reps, 38" verticle, 10'4" broad, 4.63 & 4.53

Lendale White - 15 reps and nothing else


Bush said:
Are these all credible?
If Bush pumped 10 more reps than White, I'd call it INcredible.
 
Bush said:
Are these all credible?
I believe it to be. These may not be the exact numbers NFL.com posts later, but they should be in the ballpark.

BTW, Bush passes on running the shuttles. Justice runs the 40 once at 5.16.

How are you getting these numbers Lucky?
From another site I can't link here.
 
Lucky said:
Darnell Bing - 21 reps, 38" verticle, 10'4" broad, 4.63 & 4.53

Lendale White - 15 reps and nothing else

Wow, seriously he only got 15 reps. Damn that makes me feel good. lol. He didn't run the 40?
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Wow, seriously he only got 15 reps. Damn that makes me feel good. lol. He didn't run the 40?
White passes on all the other drills. May have an injury.
 
Without any other numbers, Lendale may drop a bit. Folks are gonna wonder, what's up?

Bush's numbers looked good, of course the 4.28 he reportedly ran in Sporting News article (during season) would have been nice, but he's plenty fast.

Justice's numbers look very good.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Ouch that's gotta hurt the draft status.
And White didn't run at the combine. The big question about Lendale entering today was if he had the speed to go the distance. That's still a question. Watch the Steelers luck out and get White at the end of the 1st round. :crying:
 
Lucky said:
And White didn't run at the combine. The big question about Lendale entering today was if he had the speed to go the distance. That's still a question. Watch the Steelers luck out and get White at the end of the 1st round. :crying:

You are not kidding. I wonder if the Broncos are under pressure to take the hometown kid.
 
swtbound07 said:
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

Biased?

Using Reggie's fastest 40, the 4.33, only 4 players ran faster then he did at the combine. Chad Jackson with a 4.32, Tim Jennings with the same, Joseph ran a 4.31 and Hill ran a 4.3.

Of those 4 only, Jackson is bigger; and if the reults are true, Reggie bet him in all the other categories were they both ran/did.

He's certainly faster then everybody's favorite man crush.
 
Is White the type of RB you would want to run behind a zone blocking line? I would think that Denver would want a quicker back like Maroney.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Is White the type of RB you would want to run behind a zone blocking line? I would think that Denver would want a quicker back like Maroney.
Well, Denver lost Mike Anderson to the Eagles and they have a quick back in Tatum Bell. Maybe White does make sense.
 
After taking Clarett last year.. I think the Broncos are capable of just about anything when it comes to RBs.
 
25 reps at 225 weighing probably 205-210 is ridiculous. thats some serious **** right there....and i don't just mean compared to 'average joe'....i mean thats some serious **** even at that level of play. definetely his most impressive number....although it doesn't necessarily translate to the field like the speed drills.
 
Harrisment said:
Confirmed numbers from nfl.com

Bush:

Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40½-inch vertical jump,.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513

Also to be noted that because Bush ran on a fast surface they added .08 seconds to his time. He really ran a 4.25


The results …
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments
 
JAXwithanX said:
25 reps at 225 weighing probably 205-210 is ridiculous. thats some serious **** right there....and i don't just mean compared to 'average joe'....i mean thats some serious **** even at that level of play. definetely his most impressive number....although it doesn't necessarily translate to the field like the speed drills.

on the flip side....
White (6-0¾, 244) had 15 lifts, but didn't do any vertical or long jumps. He did not run.

....is pathetic.....over 40 more pounds than Bush and close to half the reps....thats just a complete disregard for caring to prepare for the combine or pro day....because there is no way he can't pump out more than that
 
Johnny Utah said:
Also to be noted that because Bush ran on a fast surface they added .08 seconds to his time. He really ran a 4.25


The results …
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments


You stole my exact statement Reggie really posted a mark of 4.25, that is world class speed. To go along with 40inch vertical. I think it is a foregone conclusion it is Bush in 06'.
 
JAXwithanX said:
25 reps at 225 weighing probably 205-210 is ridiculous. thats some serious **** right there....and i don't just mean compared to 'average joe'....i mean thats some serious **** even at that level of play. definetely his most impressive number....although it doesn't necessarily translate to the field like the speed drills.

Hello, 5'10 202 not 205-210 but his 40 sounds good, still have not heard what other scouts had him at. I wonder what he would run with another 8 lbs on that frame. Kinda disapointing that he could only manage 1 lb in weight gain. I say trade down, he is nothing special.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Also to be noted that because Bush ran on a fast surface they added .08 seconds to his time. He really ran a 4.25


The results …
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments

i'm not saying thats not true.....but why and the **** would they bother to measure something electrically if they know it is going to be off some....
 
Bush's 4.33 is still the fastest 40 among RB's . He also has the best long jump and vertical leap for his position . If he pressed 225lbs 25 times he's tied for 2nd among RB's .

This is an impressive workout . He may not have made an A+ but its a 95 . This coming after everyone else worked out and he was in the spotlight . I'm not saying draft RB but just cause your a Vince lover don't add by subtracting .
 
swtbound07 said:
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

I think the only way you would be impressed is if he ran at that time backwards. But with your every dying love for VY, I'm not sure. Just give it a rest. :challenge
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Hello, 5'10 202 not 205-210 but his 40 sounds good, still have not heard what other scouts had him at. I wonder what he would run with another 8 lbs on that frame. Kinda disapointing that he could only manage 1 lb in weight gain. I say trade down, he is nothing special.

yeah you only validate my point even more....he was 3-8 pounds less than i thought and put up those strength numbers....

if the texans decide they want him to gain some weight....lose a little speed....thats easily done....can be done in TC. now getting that kind of strength....takes years of weight training....

and saying he is nothing special....because he doesn't weigh enough is just stupid.....dumbest thing you could have said.
 
Electric time always gives the precise time on a run, thus the reason they use electric times at the olympics. Saying a person actually runs faster than the time given electrically is such a ignorant comment. I have not read anything about electric timing at the USC pro day
 
JAXwithanX said:
i'm not saying thats not true.....but why and the **** would they bother to measure something electrically if they know it is going to be off some....
Good question, and I was thinking the same thing.

At least we can say this: on AstroTurf (where he'll play a lot of games) Bush is capable of running a 4.25 forty.
 
Crazy4Texas said:
Electric time always gives the precise time on a run, thus the reason they use electric times at the olympics. Saying a person actually runs faster than the time given electrically is such a ignorant comment. I have not read anything about electric timing at the USC pro day

I would think so also, but it's coming from the nfl.com site.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513
 
The Dude Abides said:
I think the only way you would be impressed is if he ran at that time backwards. But with your every dying love for VY, I'm not sure. Just give it a rest. :challenge

I actually go to UT right now....i came from the same area as Vince Young in houston (his HS team Madison took out mine in the playoffs - North Shore)....and they way i see it....DD is a better running back....than DC will be a quarterback. I mean DD is arguably in the top ten of running backs when he is healthy.....i'm not so sure david carr will get there (althought we are going to find out this year....and no one will be happier for him than me). But i understand the unknown VY brings....and i can respect a team with the number 1 pick and so much help needed....(and most of all....no more disappointment needed) should pick the much safer, incredible Reggie.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Biased?

Using Reggie's fastest 40, the 4.33, only 4 players ran faster then he did at the combine. Chad Jackson with a 4.32, Tim Jennings with the same, Joseph ran a 4.31 and Hill ran a 4.3.

Of those 4 only, Jackson is bigger; and if the reults are true, Reggie bet him in all the other categories were they both ran/did.

He's certainly faster then everybody's favorite man crush.


I don't understand the phenomenon with Reggie Bush. I think he is an excellent prospect but not the best collage prospect.

As a runningback, he's electric with the ball in his hand if he can get to the edge. But how will he do once contact is made, in the NFL? His tacklebreaking abilities don't look that exceptional. He doesn't even look as fast as Dunn or rocket Ismail. In fact, one of the LB from Texas stayed with most of the Rose Bowl game. I am guessing their are going to be DBs and LBs in the pros that can do the same. He's shown a limited ability to run between the tackles. In the pros, I'm not convinced he's going to be able to do it really effectively at all. In fact, I don't think he'll be as effective as DD between the tackles. Time will Tell... however, as he learns the ropes, he's certainly got the physical tools to be able to do well, but do you make him the number one pick? This guy is not like Earl Campball, Eric Dickerson, LT, or even TD. I just watched some film of him, he don't run north to south. He's runs like a water bug zigzag, which is okay in collage be in the NFL he'd be crushed IMHO.

As a receiver out of the backfield and in the slot, he's excellent. He can do a lot for a team here when he starts out of the backfield. He has great hands and he's a great open field runner. I understand his value here.

As a kick and punt returner, he seems to have some big value in the eyes of the scouts, but I'm confused, we've a All-Pro kick returner. I don't get it. He doesn't do nothing for the most part in any phase of the return game. He seems like vision and favor the sideline. On kickoffs, he's behind several teammates for the team lead in yard/per/run and none of their numbers are great.

Beyond the phases of the game in which a team thinks they can involve him, there are other factors to consider. First, what of his durability? He's never carried the ball or touched the ball as the true feature back. He averaged something like 13 carries per game in a season last year and that was his high for his career. Is he being valued this highly as a 10-15 carries per game guy in the NFL?

How can he truly be valued this highly while playing on a dominating team against terrible competition?

All in all, I look at this guy, and I see a player for the Texan with a lot of risk. He might be Thurman Thomas, but he might be WDunn. Why are we hearing basically nothing from anyone on his flaws? Why is it just generally accepted that he's great in the return game? Last week, Several scouts wrote that an independent scouting services gave him the highest rating that they've ever given a college player. Higher than John Elway. I don't think he should be the highest rated player in this draft. Do you? I am not sure he should be the highest rated player on his own team. If you're progressive, how do you project Bush's upside and explosiveness at the pro level above MW or Vernon Davis, or even VY? I simply find it crazy. I can't help but feel like a whole bunch of people are drink the Bush koolaid servered up by ESPN and isn't being rational. I've a feeling that I'm missing something or somebody trying to fool me Does anyone else have similar feelings? Do you feel that he is the second comin' of Gayle Sayers? If so, why?

:pigfly:
 
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