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Training camp 2013

Rey said:
It really doesn't make sense for our starters to be running plays out of the pistol formation unless we were thinking about adding it in.

For several reasons...We're in the heat of Training Camp...I can't see Kubiak taking time out from valuable practice time to have his starters running some stuff that has nothing to do with what we are going to do.

Just lining up in the pistol so the defense can get alignment stuff down can be done with dummies or back up defensive players.

Our first game is against the Chargers...Normally, you work on things to prepare for that first game, and when you play those teams with pistol formations you'll use the scout team to work on that stuff during the "week of"...

And if you really were trying to do something for the defense to give them a good look, why not use a QB that more closely resembles what those teams have?

I don't know if we'll see the pistol formation, but I think Kubiak is thinking about it. It is something that makes sense with this offense. Really it can make sense with any offense because it's just a formation, but with us wanting our plays to look the same and wanting to run multiple sets with various personnel, it can be used as something to keep the defense off guard. Pistol formation doesn't automatically = read option (I know that you didn't say that, I'm just making that statement).

Plus like you and LZ said, it would still allow for us to do our play actions, but it'd give the QB more time to get his head up down field because he wouldn't be coming from under center.


I hope we do see the pistol formation from these guys sometimes.
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More has come out from LZ today making it sound like the Texans are experimenting with the pistol formation for the offense (ie running it with Schaub and the 1's). I do know that Weeden and Landry both ran a TON of pistol formation at their respective NCAA schools and were fairly successful with it and neither of those guys are considered "running" or even "athletic" QB's, so I don't have much in the way of doubts with Schaub running it.

I think the problem is that Arian isn't currently practicing right now, so if we are planning on using it for offense, I cannot imagine them doing it very early in the season if Arian isn't used to working out of that particular formation.

note: I went on Tuesday and I didn't see many (or any if I can recall right) pistol formations, so I really can't comment on if it looks like something viable for the Texans offense.
 
August 1, 2013 at 11:46 am by Dale Robertson


The Texans’ two third-round draft choices have fallen “way behind” – coach Gary Kubiak’s words – because of early injuries and seem unlikely to contribute much this season, at least before the bye week.

Linebacker Sam Montgomery reported out of shape, then immediately suffered a sprained ankle. Offensive tackle Brennan Williams sprained his knee in the second rookie minicamp practice in May, which required arthroscopic surgery, and the same knee had to be drained because of swelling Wednesday.

“Don’t get me wrong; if you’re injured and you can’t go, you can’t go,” Kubiak said. “But it’s tough because we were counting on those guys to push players on our team and to be in a position to help us. It’s just not happening right now. Hopefully, we can get them going and hopefully we can get them out here as soon as possible.”
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Keep in mind, OUR BYE WEEK IS WEEK 8.
 
Man I am getting so stoked for the season to start! Can't wait to get back to screaming at the TV with beer in hand!
 
As far as injuries suffered at camp on Thursday, the most severe was nose tackle Daniel Muir, who got his ankle stepped on. He needed to be helped off the field and was carted inside. ILB Cameron Collins has a hamstring injury and Earl Okine struggled with the heat. He looked dizzy during practice on the sideline.


Whitney Mercilus was still out of practice with a hammy injury. Reed, DeVier Posey and Arian Foster continued to work on the side.
They’re all on the PUP.
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The Texans will have a walk-through on Thursday afternoon and just a morning practice on Friday. Kubiak said Friday’s practice will be the most difficult of camp so far because of the lack of bodies and the wear and tear. Saturday will be an off day.

“I think they’re working through that right now,” Kubiak said when asked about his players hitting a training camp wall.

Observations:

•UDFA Justin Tuggle got plenty of work with the first-team defense at outside linebacker on Thursday. They’ve used a few different guys there since Whitney Mercilus has been out with a hamstring injury.

•Willie Jefferson didn’t have a good day. He’s been turning plenty of heads but rookies have ups and downs. Thursday was a down day.

•Jared Crick continues to show improvement. He was excellent in pass rush drills and even better when they worked in 11-on-11s.

•Yeah, DeAndre Hopkins is impressing everyone, including Gary Kubiak. Hopkins made several big plays throughout practice and shined in the two-minute drill. He has shown the ability to go up and catch the ball vs. a defensive back.


“First off, I’m sitting here watching No. 10 today,” Kubiak said. “I like that. I know that. He’s making a lot of plays.”


•Garrett Graham looks healthy again. The tight end, who started camp on the Non-Football Illness list with a nasty virus, made a big catch today over Bryan Braman on the sideline.

•During 2-on-2 pass rushing drills, Chris Jones lined up on the outside, while Terrell McClain lined up at nose. The Texans have been making Jones learn all the positions but had worked him primarily at nose.
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Especially hate seeing that with Muir.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Especially hate seeing that with Muir.
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Me, too. Hope it's not bad. He was showing pretty good.

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The most welcome sights Thursday morning were seeing LB Brian Cushing making his debut in the seven-on-seven drills. In fact, he batted down the first pass thrown his way.

“It felt great,” Cushing said. “I’ve been telling guys, this is the right feeling. I’m playing football, making plays again. It was a long offseason, but I’ve got no worries now, no residual effects (from his anterior cruciate ligament repair). No pain. I can plant and cut. Everything feels normal again.”
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Playoffs said:
Me, too. Hope it's not bad. He was showing pretty good.
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When a big player's foot is planted on the ground and immobilized by another player stepping on it, you worry about the weight of the big body simultaneously falling to the side (without the foot being able to come with it) and tearing not only the ligament(s), but also fracturing off attached bone. Hopefully, Muir's foot was released before he faltered. Being "helped" off the field and then carted off makes it more likely that he has suffered a significant ligament tear, plus or minus an accompany fracture. The Texans will know after an x-ray and MRI.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
August 1, 2013 at 11:46 am by Dale Robertson

The Texans’ two third-round draft choices have fallen “way behind” – coach Gary Kubiak’s words – because of early injuries and seem unlikely to contribute much this season, at least before the bye week.

Linebacker Sam Montgomery reported out of shape, then immediately suffered a sprained ankle. Offensive tackle Brennan Williams sprained his knee in the second rookie minicamp practice in May, which required arthroscopic surgery, and the same knee had to be drained because of swelling Wednesday.

“Don’t get me wrong; if you’re injured and you can’t go, you can’t go,” Kubiak said. “But it’s tough because we were counting on those guys to push players on our team and to be in a position to help us. It’s just not happening right now. Hopefully, we can get them going and hopefully we can get them out here as soon as possible.”

Keep in mind, OUR BYE WEEK IS WEEK 8.
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I wouldn't worry about this. Yeah, they're falling behind and that sucks, but week 8 is obnoxious. We haven't even been a full official week into camp yet. As long as they step up I think they'll be fine.

The "not contributing this year statement" I believe came from Roto not Kubiak. Roto are awesome news breakers, but their analysis is poor at best IMO.

if Kubiak did say that, which I don't think he did, I retract everything though.
 
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TexansFTW said:
I wouldn't worry about this. Yeah, they're falling behind and that sucks, but week 8 is obnoxious. We haven't even been a full official week into camp yet. As long as they step up I think they'll be fine.

The "not contributing this year statement" I believe came from Roto not Kubiak. Roto are awesome news breakers, but their analysis is poor at best IMO.

if Kubiak did say that, which I don't think he did, I retract everything though.
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If you don't want to worry about it, go right ahead. But Dale Robertson of the Chronicle is the source. Rotoworld has no commentary on this subject. Besides, it's hard to "step up" when you have a bum knee or bum ankle.....and the offseason has already blown by you:)
 
I just came across something I didn't know. Darryl Sharpton is the nephew of Al Sharpton. Just found it interesting. But everyone probably except me knew that. Carry on.......:rake:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Johnny Adams, who was waived/injured to make room for Joe Mays, evidently cleared waivers and is now on the IR.
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Thanks for the info., any details of the injury, severity? I liked Adams coming out of college and was glad when the Texans signed him as an UDFA. I had hopes for him with the Texans. IR might be a good place for him and maybe he can show what he's got next year in TC depending on the severity of the injury.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Thanks for the info., any details of the injury, severity? I liked Adams coming out of college and was glad when the Texans signed him as an UDFA. I had hopes for him with the Texans. IR might be a good place for him and maybe he can show what he's got next year in TC depending on the severity of the injury.
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That's good news. I actually had us taking Adams late in the draft in a couple mocks. Glad to see we got him back.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Thanks for the info., any details of the injury, severity? I liked Adams coming out of college and was glad when the Texans signed him as an UDFA. I had hopes for him with the Texans. IR might be a good place for him and maybe he can show what he's got next year in TC depending on the severity of the injury.
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At Michigan, he played a good part of the last half of the season with a turf toe injury. On top of that, he entered the Combine with a hamstring strain........and still ran the 40 in 4.43.......with the strain being extended. From what I read somewhere on nfldraftscout.com, he suffered an unspecified knee injury which would probably require surgery and was therefore waived/injured, cleared waivers, then placed on IR. Would not be surprised if this were a compensatory injury related to his toe and/or hamstring conditions which were still giving him problems documented at least through his Pro Day. Hopefully he will be able to come back next year after a full year of surgery, rehab, and rest, as he was projected as a 2nd or 3rd rounder before his problems cropped up.
 
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Because rookie wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins has garnered a lot of praise, the performance through a week of camp by fellow wideout Keshawn Martin has flown under the proverbial radar. But Martin’s growth hasn’t escaped general manager Rick Smith.

“(He’s) probably the brightest thing I’ve seen at the (wide receiver) position,” Smith said Thursday on Texans Radio. “Obviously I love what DeAndre’s doing, but Keshawn and his jump is really significant. He’s been making plays and you can see his progression.”
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PDS ‏@PatDStat 2h
Right now you have to be looking at David Hunter as the leader of the backup NT. he is stout against the run. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 7h
It's a #Texans reunion out here. Payne, Foreman, Moses, Pitts, Sharper, Brown and Bradford all present.

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 7h
Wr rookie Alan Bonner now with ice on his hamstring. Guys bodies are beat. #texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 7h
Schaub with a great pass over a leaping Manning to Graham. #Texans

Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli 7h
Ben Tate out with an injury earlier in practice. We'll ask Kubiak about that in a bit. Alan Bonner just came up hopping. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 7h
Bonner makes a nice catch but comes up limo. Might be a cramp. #TexansTalk

PDS ‏@PatDStat 7h
What doesn't DeAndre catch? Always uses his hands. Always. #Texans

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 25s
Roc has always had some of the best feet & fluid hips. Confidence has been the issue. If he trusts what he sees he'll be a stud.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 52s
Wood with a great read hitting the cut back. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 1m
Cushing is in on 11-11s without pads. He's been doing 7-7s. #TexansTalk

PDS ‏@PatDStat 1m
Jean with a dropped pass across the middle. Coverage by Harris. #Texans

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 1m
Talked to Roc Carmichael earlier in camp & I told him, he looked to be doubting his instincts. Not the case on the plays I've seen today.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 2m
Cushing looking good covering Martin. Would have been a quick ending play of contact was today. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 51s
Roc Carmichael has had a solid day. Already two pass break ups today. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 1m
Tough day for Bonner today. Couple mental busts for the rookie. #Texans

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 3m
Not hype. RT @Zepp1978: It's just camp, but you gotta love how much we keep hearing DeAndre Hopkins name come up. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 3m
Bullock peppering both goal posts. Hit both left and right posts. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 3m
Randy Bullock showing a strong leg. He's playing posts though. He's hit left and right uprights from 50.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 3m
Pretty humid day at camp. Pads coming off for second part of morning practice. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 4m
Special teams going on now, other players taking off pads. Hitting looks over. Light practice before a day off. #texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 1m
Ben Tate on the training table. No news yet. #texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 1m
Bullock's leg x 10 better than Graham's. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 1m
Schaub deep to Hopkins over the middle for about a 40 yard gain. Tight coverage but muscled the ball away. #texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 1m
Schaub throws a long pass and DeAndre Hopkins rises up over Brandon Harris to make a catch. Signals first down.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 2m
Hopkins with a huge 50 yard catch from Schaub off his goal line. Covered by Harris. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 4m
Keep being impressed with Joe Mays. Good closing speed and looks like he will help the D. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 6m
Johnson makes up for it with back to back good runs to the outside. #texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 7m
David Hunter is hard to move off the spot. Once anchored makes life tough for the offensive line. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 9m
A rare drop from a wide-open rookie TE Ryan Griffin.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 9m
Great ball to Griffin drops it across the middle. Keenum hit him in stride. #Texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 11m
Willie Jefferson with the batted ball against Schaub. 6-5 jumping is tough to throw over. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 11m
Wow. Heckuva play by the lanky Willie Jefferson to get his hands up and bat a pass down at the line.

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 12m
Dennis Johnson just coughed up the ball in 11-11.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 12m
Dennis Johnson with the fumble and cleaned up by Danieal Manning. Huge hit. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 14m
Just saw a nice little juke move from Ray Graham, the forgotten of the UDFA running backs.

PDS ‏@PatDStat 14m
Ray Graham showing some life. Nice jump cuts to make people miss. #Texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 20m
Texans working 11 on 11 right now. #texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 20m
Roc with the pass breakup to Lemon. Under thrown ball by Keenum. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 20m
That was an under thrown ball from Keenum broken up by Roc Carmichael. #TexansTalk

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 11m
Also off on Friday. Joseph, Daniels, Andre Johnson. #texans

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 12m
JJ Watt and Antonio Smith with the day off. #texans

PDS ‏@PatDStat 15m
Plenty of #Texans veterans getting a healthy watch day of practice. #Texans

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 15m
We are being serenaded by an eclectic mix of music from the band at this morning open practice to the excitement of @PatDStat

PDS ‏@PatDStat 42m
Band playing in the fan zone went from Matchbox 20 to Katy Perry now Aretha Franklin. #TexansCamp

Dave Zangaro ‏@DZangaro 53m
Today is just a morning practice for the #Texans. Tomorrow will be an off day.
 
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Ben Tate has suffered a totally unspecified injury this morning and is presently on the trainer's table. No other details to report to you at this time.
 
darnbni99a said:
makes sense. i was there and saw him stretching right after it happened
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You have to worry about ANY groin problem. They usually begin as small adductor muscle tendon tears and have a strong propensity to be chronic season-long type of problems, ala JJo and Brooks Reed.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You have to worry about ANY groin problem. They usually begin as small adductor muscle tendon tears and have a strong propensity to be chronic season-long type of problems, ala JJo and Brooks Reed.
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Also have a tendency to put you back in Kubiaks doghouse. I wouldn't be too surprised if they just cut him outright after all the talk about how good the UDFA's look
 
All i have to say is Nuk catches everything. He and Schaub seem to have jelled nicely. I can't wait till next Saturday to watch him at live game speed. He was up against JJo and uses his hands well to get separation.
 
From TC's tweet:

@HoustonTexans camp: Biggest cheer today, Randy Bullock with 60 yard field goal on field 2.
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76Texan said:
From TC's tweet:

@HoustonTexans camp: Biggest cheer today, Randy Bullock with 60 yard field goal on field 2.
8:34 AM - 2 Aug 2013
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Impressive. SOTT was saying Bullock's leg is obviously more powerful than Graham's was last year.
 
DX-TEX said:
Also have a tendency to put you back in Kubiaks doghouse. I wouldn't be too surprised if they just cut him outright after all the talk about how good the UDFA's look
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That would be a colossal failure by the organization. Tate, when/if healthy, is starter material.
 
pissknocker said:
All i have to say is Nuk catches everything. He and Schaub seem to have jelled nicely. I can't wait till next Saturday to watch him at live game speed. He was up against JJo and uses his hands well to get separation.
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If you wait until next Saturday I think you will have missed the game (unless you're recording it) since we play next Friday night. IJS
 
DX-TEX said:
Last year of his rookie contract and I would guess they make no attempts to resign him
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If you said he'd be traded, I might be willing to listen to you, but at this point we know little to nothing about the seriousness of the injury, and when healthy, Tate's better than anyone else they're going to be able to add to the roster, plus he's cheap this season at only $575,000.

Trades are a rare occurence in the NFL, so I'd guess that even that's unlikely, but there's no way he gets cut.
 
ChampionTexan said:
If you said he'd be traded, I might be willing to listen to you, but at this point we know little to nothing about the seriousness of the injury, and when healthy, Tate's better than anyone else they're going to be able to add to the roster, plus he's cheap this season at only $575,000.

Trades are a rare occurence in the NFL, so I'd guess that even that's unlikely, but there's no way he gets cut.
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I too doubt he gets cut next year, but that's not the same as not getting real with a contract offer, so in effect it becomes a cut. They don't have to cut him. They will let him test the market, and if he gets much of an offer, I suspect they will let him walk. A trade for an injury prone backup RB? That's not happening.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I just came across something I didn't know. Darryl Sharpton is the nephew of Al Sharpton. Just found it interesting. But everyone probably except me knew that. Carry on.......:rake:
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Some of us are glad you focus on medicine and ignore the drama crap.

Keep diagnosing and Carry on.
or something like that
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GJ cont'd: dump the ball off to me, I'll catch it, and do it when I need to.

GJ: I wouldn't mind some flares. Right now I'm just concentrating on my role. Go in there & do the dirty work. When they dump the ball off..

JB: Does Greg Jones want to appear on the stat line & see some flares in this offense?

GJ: (While laughing) No question, man. That's why I'm here. If I didn't think so I wouldn't be here.

JB: We saw what Foster has done w/ a FB & Adrian Peterson special season behind a fullback, can you take Arian to the next level?

GJ cont'd: We've got to be on the same page. I've got to know what they're thinking about on certain running plays.

GJ: Of course, that's 1 of the keys. Like the O-line has to build chemistry. You've got to practice, you've got to take the reps.

JB: There's not much talk about the chemistry that a new FB needs to build with his HBs in a zone scheme. Is it important?

GJ cont': In Jacksonville we went downhill & here it's more zone concept. Arian is more of a slasher Maurice is a more downhill power runner

Greg Jones: Only difference is the scheme, here. You know it's a whole lot different scheme then what we had in Jacksonville.

Jayson: Biggest difference in blocking for MoJo & for Arian Foster?

Spoke with Greg Jones for a quick minute today. Here are just a few of his answers.
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VJ cont': and you're by yourself off a lot, even in some zones & how he's played..I'll take him top 20, no doubt.

VJ: He's my guy, I'll take him there, I'll take him anywhere. For what we do, he's played very well, as much man as we play in this defense

JB: Where would you rank Kareem Jackson amongst the top CBs in the league? Top 20, now?

VJ cont': He (Posey) started for us in the playoffs. It helps both sides. When he gets Posey back it's going to be hard to beat that WR core

VJ cont'd: That's encouraging. It helps those guys get better. Last yr Posey going against J-Jo 1/2 the season, then going up to the varsity

VJ: All the time. You watch Hop go against J-Jo the 1st week & J-Jo is all over him & you watch Hop a day ago make some plays against J-Jo.

JB: Have you talked to (Larry) Kirksey (WR coach) about how much this secondary is helping this young receivers' group?

VJ cont'd: You can't do that. Also, his instincts help him make plays so it's a fine line between his instincts being helpful or harmful.

VJ: Your instincts say go here and your reads say you should be there. That's 1 thing he has to work on, his instincts overriding his reads.

VJ: I like him everywhere. His instincts is 1 thing that makes him a great player, but in the NFL that can also cost you to give up plays.

JB: Do you only like Swearinger in the box or are you comfortable with him out in centerfield?

VJ cont'd: he (DJ) studies, the rest is just gravy.

VJ cont'd: He's (DJ) playing 2 positions & he's made a total of 5 errors the whole camp. What's impressive is his football IQ & the way....

VJ: His football IQ. Everyone sees the bravado, the confidence, but I tell you what, the kid knows what he's doing.

JB: I've never seen a rookie carry himself like Swearinger. How has he impressed you so far?

VJ cont'd: that's going to help. Having those 2 players & those young guys covering tight ends better.

VJ cont'd: I mean really have those 2 guys back in dime is really going to be a tweak. Having DJ Swearinger & Keo, who can really cover TEs.

VJ: The tweak could be having Ed as our middle safety, that's a tweak and Cushing as our cover backer, that's going to be a tweak.

JB: I've talked a lot about the Dime coverage from the Patriots games. Are you looking to tweak something or has that already happened?

VJ cont'd: He came in about 203, 204. That 13 pounds has made him a lot faster down the field.

VJ cont'd: Which is important in this league if you're going to play a long time. He's dropped his weight to 190. Which has helped him.

VJ: Now we are. He was obviously a great nickel in college & that's where we saw him playing early, but now he's becoming an outside corner.

JB: Seemed to me that he had the ability to play inside & outside coming out of the U. Are you seeing that from him?

VJ cont'd: He had some games in the slot where he was very, very impressive, Tennessee, both Indy games.

VJ: His first game he handled very well. The playoff game is where he kind of struggled against Wes. He's a tough cover, along w/ Tom.

JB: How did he handle that first start vs Wes Welker?

VJ: He's (Harris) had the best camp so far out of all DBs, in my opinion as far as consistency & making the most plays. He can read routes.

Jayson: Brandon Harris seems to be playing with a lot more confidence.

VJ cont'd... (Roc) He's tough, he's smart. He's had a really good camp this last week.

VJ cont'd... He (Roc) always plays better later. He's a good little player. Really in his 2nd yr cause he missed his whole 1st year.

Vance Joseph: The last 3 days he's really played well. Roc's the kind of player, he needs the time to get his footwork & tech early in camp

Q: Seems as if the light went on for Roc (Carmichael) today, did you notice a difference?

Quick notes from today's talk with Texans' DB coach, Vance Joseph. This guy will be a DC soon. Check him out on the postgame show this year
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damn that was confusing, i didnt realize the interview was from the bottom up haha thats why it made no sense.
 
ObsiWan said:
Is it the Texas heat claiming all these guys?
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worked in the field in the hot sun/cold winters 17 hours a day for 345 days a year, and it will sure do it to you. We've already had 8 heat strokes this year, thank god i'm in the office now.
 
ObsiWan said:
Is it the Texas heat claiming all these guys?
:mariopalm:
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EllisUnit said:
worked in the field in the hot sun/cold winters 17 hours a day for 345 days a year, and it will sure do it to you. We've already had 8 heat strokes this year, thank god i'm in the office now.
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Certainly heat could be ONE factor. However..............the truth is that heat cramps have previously been known as miners cramps and fireman's cramps, and they have historically been thought to be a result of dehydration and losses in sodium through sweating.

Cramps are strong involuntary muscular contractions which are usually short-lived and release on their own. They can be quite painful and occur most frequently in the Gastrocnemius (calf) and hamstrings. Actually heat and gently stretching the muscle can help to relax a cramp.

Cramps can occur at rest or during activity in any environment. Therefore the old hypothesis that cramps are due to dehydration and a lack of sodium and other electrolytes lacks scientific back-up. Current research has shown no link between high temperature and the development of cramps. The current thought on the cause of cramps is alterations in spinal neural reflex activity which is caused by FATIQUE and is more common and more intense in some than others.

The term heat cramps is rapidly falling out of favor due to the lack of scientific evidence to support it. Conditioning deficiencies as a cause has essentially taken its place.



From another thread where Lucky brought up the subject of so many players going down so early.:


Lucky said:
Koppen got the job in 2012 when JD Walton went down for the year with a broken ankle. Walton had surgery on the ankle again in June, so the Broncos are razor thin at center.

It's spooky seeing this many season ending injuries in the first few days of camp.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
With first contact practices being ~7-8 months following their last for most players, makes me believe that players may be taking their conditioning for their more pussified non-contact mini-camps and OTAs less seriously .....and may be held by coaches and trainers to lesser standards to come down to the lower requirements than necessary for the old full-padded contact off season activities.
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Lucky said:
I guess. But I don't remember seeing so many training camp injuries back in the 70's & 80's, before the mini camp/OTA era. I think it's just as possible that these guys are over trained in the gym, with the joints just not being able to handle the forces created by the extra mass they are carrying. And they are getting bigger every year.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
This is just another reason to get used to a more resistant target contact training. I had the opportunity to take care and befriend a number of Houston Oilers. I remember them talking about the fact that they HAD to stay in shape year around just to stay up with TC. They knew what to expect. TCs in those days were described as the worst weeks of their lives...........sometimes ALL day and there were NO DAYS OFF. Keep in mind that there were essentially no climate controlled fields except the Astrodome. (The Oilers had the Astrodome, but they were never allowed to practice in them for TC.) Specifically many teams were made to practice in the mid day sun/heat.......no shade allowed. Outdoor practices were never called off for rain or snow. And what they emphasized was that there were no multi-million dollar guaranteed contracts. If you weren't prepared for TC............you didn't have a job!.........and that included ALL of what would today be considered the "prima donna" vets.
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EllisUnit said:
damn that was confusing, i didnt realize the interview was from the bottom up haha thats why it made no sense.
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Sorry. Everything Twitter reads bottom-to-top.

CloakNNNdagger said:
...the truth is that heat cramps... have historically been thought to be a result of dehydration and losses in sodium through sweating.
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I remember taking handfulls of those yellow/orange salt pills for two-a-days. No telling how much of that crap I ingested on the above belief. :smiliepalm:
 
i can tell ya gatorade is the worst thing you can drink, we only allow 1 bottle of gatorade to 4 bottles of water. The Gatorade gives you salts that you need but if its all you drink it will destroy you.
 
EllisUnit said:
i can tell ya gatorade is the worst thing you can drink, we only allow 1 bottle of gatorade to 4 bottles of water. The Gatorade gives you salts that you need but if its all you drink it will destroy you.
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I like very diluted Gatorade. Water alone isn't really good enough for high end athletes. That or water and pickle juice.
 
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