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To Early? No Way- 2018 NFL Draft and FA....

OptimisticTexan

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My first and very early thought for the off-season. Is it too early? Maybe not since most folks feel like this season is already in the books and need only to play out so discussions can turn to this very topic. Some have also mentioned their dissatisfaction with other topics turning towards this anyways.

I'm beginning to feel like the Texans are going to have a very early RD3 (Inside Top 5), the Seahawks pick (late / 24+) and COMP Pick.

As for FA OT's....this is supposed to be a weak to awful class that will probably come at a steep price regardless, but this is a position of utmost need. One player I would roll the dice on:

NE- RT / Cameron Erving: Serious blunder!!! Not sure how I got this so mixed up...just trying to do too much at the same time. Maybe the Texans can take a flyer on:
DET- LT / Greg Robinson: He's costing the Lions a little over 5M this season and they're expecting Taylor Decker (Starting LT) back next season, which means the Lions may not pursue re-signing Robinson. As for the Texans, Robinson could possibly go to either side of the OL depending on who they land in the draft. He'd be an upgrade over any of the teams current OT's.

Round 3
As for the draft, I typically want trench type players first and foremost but since QB could be a screaming need again next year since Savage and crew will probably be off to new teams and as many posters have already stated, it may be in the teams best interest to go ahead and get another QB with a similar skill set as Watson's. A player of interest for me could be Baker Mayfield (QB- Oklahoma / 6-2 @ 215 lbs) who is currently being projected as a RD3 type of QB by Walters Football. Would be extremely interesting to see if actually stays in this projected slot through the Combine and individual workouts. If Mayfield were to slip past RD2, I would be cool with the Texans using their RD3/1 Pick to take him.

With the Seattle pick...a couple of OT's that could be there and may be worth following to see how their seasons finish and Combine Workouts go:

LT- Bentley Spain / NC / 6-6 @ 300 lbs or RT- Casey Tucker / Stanford / 6-6 @ 300 lbs. Both of these tackles are regarded as better run blockers at the moment but reasonably athletic at the same time. Neither should be the project Davenport has been to date since their level of competition is at the top of CFB level. Maybe both but if they were both still on the board or maybe go FS, SS or TE with the COMP Pick. Looking at these options next.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
My first and very early thought for the off-season. Is it too early? Maybe not since most folks feel like this season is already in the books and need only to play out so discussions can turn to this very topic. Some have also mentioned their dissatisfaction with other topics turning towards this anyways.

I'm beginning to feel like the Texans are going to have a very early RD3 (Inside Top 5), the Seahawks pick (late / 24+) and COMP Pick.

As for FA OT's....this is supposed to be a weak to awful class that will probably come at a steep price regardless, but this is a position of utmost need. One player I would roll the dice on:

NE- RT / Cameron Erving: Currently playing Swing Tackle but if he were to be placed, RT would be his best position. If memory serves me, Erving (Florida State) was a former #19 pick overall by Cleveland. Probably considered a bust but has gotten his act together in NE and knowing Beli...he's not going to pay the going rate, so this is a good target for RS since he also comes close to fitting the Texans system.

Round 3
As for the draft, I typically want trench type players first and foremost but since QB could be a screaming need again next year since Savage and crew will probably be off to new teams and as many posters have already stated, it may be in the teams best interest to go ahead and get another QB with a similar skill set as Watson's. A player of interest for me could be Baker Mayfield (QB- Oklahoma / 6-2 @ 215 lbs) who is currently being projected as a RD3 type of QB by Walters Football. Would be extremely interesting to see if actually stays in this projected slot through the Combine and individual workouts. If Mayfield were to slip past RD2, I would be cool with the Texans using their RD3/1 Pick to take him.

With the Seattle pick...a couple of OT's that could be there and may be worth following to see how their seasons finish and Combine Workouts go:

LT- Bentley Spain / NC / 6-6 @ 300 lbs or RT- Casey Tucker / Stanford / 6-6 @ 300 lbs. Both of these tackles are regarded as better run blockers at the moment but reasonably athletic at the same time. Neither should be the project Davenport has been to date since their level of competition is at the top of CFB level. Maybe both but if they were both still on the board or maybe go FS, SS or TE with the COMP Pick. Looking at these options next.
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Good ideas here, and if Mayfield is there for Texans, by all means take him.
I would even trade up to make sure.
Even though we don't have a 1 or 2 round pick, with the extra picks we do have I can see us moving up to get a player high on FOs wish list - we might be able to get up into the top 10 of the second round where some good players should still be available.
Do not discount RS using a high pick from '19 if they are dead set on somebody in this ('18) draft - could be a shock move into the bottom of the first, even higher if they offer next years first.
Just depends on cap space and FA market and quality of player at PON on the board.
 
Erving looks like a slug though. I get that he's a lineman and so he's gonna be big but some of them look "strong-big" and others look "soft-big". Erving looks soft. Still maybe he's worth a look.

Also he's a Chief not a Patriot. Don't know if they'll pay for him either
 
Hervoyel said:
Erving looks like a slug though. I get that he's a lineman and so he's gonna be big but some of them look "strong-big" and others look "soft-big". Erving looks soft. Still maybe he's worth a look.

Also he's a Chief not a Patriot. Don't know if they'll pay for him either
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He's also playing G as he did his rookie year.
 
What a horrible year to tank a season, with no picks before the 3rd round. It makes you want to regurgitate. It urinates me off.
 
Hervoyel said:
Erving looks like a slug though. I get that he's a lineman and so he's gonna be big but some of them look "strong-big" and others look "soft-big". Erving looks soft. Still maybe he's worth a look.

Also he's a Chief not a Patriot. Don't know if they'll pay for him either
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Correct, my blunder. Corrected and modified original post. Thanks.
 
infantrycak said:
He's also playing G as he did his rookie year.
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They've got him on their Depth Chart as Swing Tackle. Regardless, I messed up the post by listing him as a potential UFA...and from the Patriots. That's what I get for trying to think in 6 different directions. I've corrected the OP and added Greg Robinson as a new option from the FA market. Not that he would represent a huge jump in talent but he would be better than what's currently lined up to play the OT positions for the Texans and shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to get him.
 
I guess I just don't see the sense in getting a QB with the 1st pick in the 3rd round or moving up into the 2nd round to get him when they already have their QB (Watson) that will be starting. I could see it if they still had their 1st and 2nd rounders that they could have filled other holes (O-line, CB, S, etc..) but, since they don't, I feel their first few picks should go towards getting either a LT/RT or some Secondary help. Then get your backup QB in the 4th or 6th rounds. Just too many holes to fill to use your highest draft pick on a backup QB! JMO.
 
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Why draft a QB at all? That makes no sense to me. Our situation doesn't call for wasting a draft pick on a QB. If Watson had more experience then yes, we could afford to draft a QB and develop him. But Watson is just starting his own development. We shouldn't divert our resources to training someone else also. What we need is a plug and play backup. A veteran that already knows the ropes and could help Watson along in his development.

There's going to be someone like that available for cheap in FA next year. Drew Stanton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mark Sanchez, Case Keenum, Matt Moore. All those guys should be FAs. Forget past history with two of those guys. I'm confident they could be pros and do the job.
 
bah007 said:
Why draft a QB at all? That makes no sense to me. Our situation doesn't call for wasting a draft pick on a QB. If Watson had more experience then yes, we could afford to draft a QB and develop him. But Watson is just starting his own development. We shouldn't divert our resources to training someone else also. What we need is a plug and play backup. A veteran that already knows the ropes and could help Watson along in his development.

There's going to be someone like that available for cheap in FA next year. Drew Stanton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mark Sanchez, Case Keenum, Matt Moore. All those guys should be FAs. Forget past history with two of those guys. I'm confident they could be pros and do the job.
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You can probably add Tyrod Taylor to that list now: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...yrod-taylor-shocked-buffalo-bills-benched-him

Here's a quote from the article (That I also posted on another thread.) that could pretty well mean the end of Taylor in Buffalo.

"These moves are common as teams stumble down the stretch, but benching Taylor is packed with future implications. This Bills regime -- unafraid to make sweeping changes -- has made it clear he isn't the long-term answer in Buffalo."

Don't know if he would be willing to be a backup but I think he would be ideal as Texans backup QB for DW.
 
bah007 said:
There's going to be someone like that available for cheap in FA next year. Drew Stanton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mark Sanchez, Case Keenum, Matt Moore. All those guys should be FAs. Forget past history with two of those guys. I'm confident they could be pros and do the job.
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Given what Case Keenum is doing with the Vikings this year (highly impressive), don't you think some team, perhaps even the Vikings re-signing him, will over-pay him like a legitimate starting quarterback? I can't imagine the Texans shelling out "superstar money" just to bring Case Keenum back to be Watson's backup when Watson, himself, is only making rookie contract money. So he's surely not an option for us as a backup.

I like the idea of Tyrod Taylor like the previous poster suggested. He'd be ideal as Deshaun Watson's backup going into 2018. On the other hand, if Tom Savage can play like he did in the second half of the last game, more consistently moving forward, then he'd be worth re-signing this off-season.
 
bah007 said:
Why draft a QB at all? That makes no sense to me. Our situation doesn't call for wasting a draft pick on a QB. If Watson had more experience then yes, we could afford to draft a QB and develop him. But Watson is just starting his own development. We shouldn't divert our resources to training someone else also. What we need is a plug and play backup. A veteran that already knows the ropes and could help Watson along in his development.

There's going to be someone like that available for cheap in FA next year. Drew Stanton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mark Sanchez, Case Keenum, Matt Moore. All those guys should be FAs. Forget past history with two of those guys. I'm confident they could be pros and do the job.
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Depends on if you trust DW4 can stay healthy.

Stidham is lighting up Alabama right now.
 
Watson now has same serious injury each leg. When was last time we had QB starter play 16, Schaub? As I posted another thread couple weeks ago, Tyler would be on my list now as well as off season. I would also look at drafting QB day 3. White and Riley are interesting. I want solid OT in round 3 and another round 6 as well as OG.Safety and corner deep this draft.
 
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Watson now has same serious injury each leg. When was last time we had QB starter play 16, Schaub? As I posted another thread couple weeks ago, Tyler would be on my list now as well as off season. I would also look at drafting QB day 3. White and Riley are interesting. I want solid OT in round 3 and another round 6 as well as OG.Safety and corner deep this draft.
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Watson had the same injury on his other leg as a freshman at Clemson and he came back playing even better. His other leg became stronger over time. What if this leg does the same? He's young enough to overcome this rookie injury, IMO.

I wouldn't worry too much about his long-term future health. The great thing about Watson is his progression as a pocket passer. He now has a chance to "sit and learn" for several months before he's back on the field in 2018. The NFL game has likely slowed down for him. He was performing at a high level before the injury.

I'd rather re-sign Tom Savage or T.J. Yates than spend a draft pick on a quarterback. We can also sign an undrafted rookie quarterback as well. Or sign some veteran that isn't looking for big money.

If we had a first or second-round pick then maybe we could afford to draft a quarterback in like the fourth round (at best), but we're very limited with draft picks and we can't afford to draft a QB in this upcoming 2018 draft.
 
Or Watson could turn out to be Bradford.

No need to prepare for that possibility.
 
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C'mon Stelb it's Christmas, can't you think of something positive and cheerful to say about the Texans ? Just one thing ?
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McNair is another day older.

How's that for your positive daily Texans thought.

BTW, a philosophy of mine is, (Prepare for the worst and enjoy the best.)
 
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Already mentioned I'd like to see FA Zach Brown (Redskins) in here - only 28, pretty decent and very affordable.
We already have a stud in McKinney, and young Cunningham had a great rookie season, so the addition of another solid vet will add some depth to our ILB corp.
McKinney can also play OLB and Cunningham can play ST and maybe FS or SS at a pinch as he has good speed.
Thoughts?
 
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