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TNF: Denver @ KC
- Thread starter Vance87
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Showtime100
Got JJ?
Wow. Really great game for 59:30. What a turn of events.
If Peyton isn't buying in to what the Broncos is doing, he's out of his mind. Unless he's a megalomaniac... that's two games where he was a part of a team that won the game & not Peyton Manning.
It's got to be a relief to not have the entire fate of a franchise on his shoulders.
I remember that play off game they lost because the defense couldn't hold a lead.
It's got to be a relief to not have the entire fate of a franchise on his shoulders.
I remember that play off game they lost because the defense couldn't hold a lead.
Scooter
Funky
The wobble is something Manning's talked about before a year or several ago, something to the effect of 'the most catchable pass has 3 wobbles'.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That sounds like someone rationalizing an ugly ball.
But one Manning comment I have is as this arm strength issue has come up over the last year, I've noticed him consistently Ober throwing his receivers by 1-2 yds when trying to go deep. I think it's on his mind enough he puts a little too much compensation effort in now.
Watching makes me appreciate the Schaub comment that he would rather underthrow because at least the receiver has a chance that way.
Scooter
Funky
I really wanted to keep an eye on the Broncos this year because I thought they'd be the most interesting team. My bias towards Kubiak and Wade being at the forefront. However, the dynamic between Kubiak and Manning. Wade inheriting a near ideal defense. Playing in a strong division as well as a #1 schedule. I wanted to see how so many story lines played out. I didn't imagine it would actually be this chaotic.
By the way, congrats to Peyton - 70,000 yards.
By the way, congrats to Peyton - 70,000 yards.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Wade is always 2-0, then is fired three years later
Wow. Google says just shy of 40 miles.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Just for reference Brees (36) is at 56000 and Brady (38) at 53000.
cameronkrazie86
Rookie
Wade's defense is so money in year one.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Started the Broncos defense in my money league. Feeling real good about how that game ended.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
As did I.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I think not having 100% feeling in his hand might be contributing to ugly balls too. IIRC, it's the reason why he wears the glove now. Maybe the reason for the push with the palm thing? I don't know.
Vance87
All Pro
Still have no idea how that works, team after team
Some people need to watch this mornings edition of 1st take to get a national take on Elway/Manning/Kubiak.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'd like to see the qualifiers as Yds/2 players on your back. Yds with 3 Players on your back, Yds with 4 players on you back and Yds with 5 or more players on your back. Who do you think leads those categories?
I was watching NFLN last night before the game. Those guys there weren't in favor of what's going on, or at least what they perceive is going on. I think they're short sighted. Peyton Manning will most likely not win another Super Bowl if he keeps doing what he's been doing.
Gary Kubiak with a QB like Peyton Manning is more likely to.
I'll roll with this. Brown or Campbell. Who you got?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Brutal loss for KC to miss that opportunity to beat DEN for first time since 2011... and at home. Chiefs fans apparently have had issues with Reid's play-calling in the past and are upset that they didn't just kneel down and take it to OT.
Marcus Peters has been the beneficiary of some bad decisions, but he impressed sticking with Demaryius.
Yo, did so as well.
Marcus Peters has been the beneficiary of some bad decisions, but he impressed sticking with Demaryius.
Yo, did so as well.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'm not quite old enough to remember Brown as a player, but I did see Campbell from high school on and he was always carrying multiple players down the field if he wasn't pounding them into submission.
You really believe this after watching last nights game. They would've lost that game if Peyton hadn't gone to the shotgun late in the 4th.
I've got a feeling the Broncos and SB talk is an after thought. You need to watch 1st take.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
By the way, Brown was a huge Fan of Campbell. He said he was the best RB outside of himself which was high praise from him.
Gary Kubiak isn't keeping Peyton Manning out of the shotgun. Just because they went to the Shotgun doesn't mean Kubiak wasn't still "pulling the strings." & Peyton's lost quite a few games before Kubiak ever took that job.
Another thing. The final four teams last year, the teams in the conference championship games, were 3-5 after two games. Tom Brady was done.
Anyone not expecting growing pains in Denver is delusional. Let's see what it looks like in January.
Delusional is the key word in this post.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Manning was predominately shotgun long before the 4th.
Use of the gun doesn't mean Manning is back to running things.
Maybe a little refresher course for you would be when Kubiak put Schaub back in games for Keenum - almost all shotgun.
Exactly. What new HC is expected to have their system fully integrated, all the kinks, etc. worked out by game #1?
Did you watch 1st take. They share my opinion of this situation.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
1st take? Those clowns' opinions mean something to you?
A lot of people share that opinion (if it's the opinion I think it is, the one they expressed on NFLN last night, something about a ferrari & a pinto). Doesn't make it right. All I'm saying, is that it's way too early to say.
& Shotgun doesn't mean that Manning is giving Kubiak the bird.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I watched the game.
I wouldn't watch Skip Bayless if you paid me. LOL that you bring them up as some sort of authority. That's like citing norg.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
playa465
Veteran
Denver will win with the talent they have alone. Kubiak's system may not be optimum for Peyton (current age and condition), but Helmet-head can execute just about any offense except maybe the read option. However with the hits he may take with their OL, Kubiak may want to increase the time spent in the shotgun.
Peyton 4+ months from now is going to be a carcass.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
So Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips had a game plan that beat the Kansas Chiefs, on the road no less, while we couldn't beat them at our house last Sunday? But Kubiak and Phillips weren't good enough to coach here anymore. Hmm... Or was Andy Reid just out-coached in this 7-point loss as oppose to him out-coaching Bill O'Brien in his 7-point win back in Week 1?
That is why I don't buy all of this "they were out coached" stuff. It's all about making plays. The Broncos made a few more big plays than the Chiefs did last night, including that fumble returned for a Touchdown late in the game. Just like the Chiefs made a few more plays than the Texans during their 27-20 win last Sunday.
Coaching is all nice and dandy but it still comes down to making plays. You can win with Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips. They were never that bad here to be honest. We had that one awful 2-14 season because our quarterback play **** the bed and we could never recover. Once we lost that Seattle Seahawks game in overtime, a game we had a comfortable lead in, it all went downhill after that.
That is why I don't buy all of this "they were out coached" stuff. It's all about making plays. The Broncos made a few more big plays than the Chiefs did last night, including that fumble returned for a Touchdown late in the game. Just like the Chiefs made a few more plays than the Texans during their 27-20 win last Sunday.
Coaching is all nice and dandy but it still comes down to making plays. You can win with Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips. They were never that bad here to be honest. We had that one awful 2-14 season because our quarterback play **** the bed and we could never recover. Once we lost that Seattle Seahawks game in overtime, a game we had a comfortable lead in, it all went downhill after that.
bah007
Hall of Fame
When you have Peyton instead of Hoyer the coaching job requires a little less effort, and you can certainly spend a little more time with everyone else and not worry so much about your QB being prepared.
I'm not one that thinks Peyton took over and threw Kubiak's system to the curb, but there's no doubt that having him behind center makes everybody else's job easier.
The players do have to execute. But their ability to execute and "make plays" is generally dictated by how well they are coached.
By your rationale, why pay a coach at all? Fire OB and let McNair's grandkids wear the headset. After all, it's all about making plays. What can the coach do when they aren't even on the field?
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I'm fine with Kubiak & Wade not being here anymore.
But I really don't believe that 2-14 had much to do with their ability to coach football. That was a civil war, felt from the luxury suites all the way to the equipment room. Rick Smith won.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I agree that having a great quarterback makes a head coach's job a lot easier. I don't think Chuck Pagano of the Colts is that great of a head coach, but because he has Andrew Luck he always has a chance to advance deep in the playoffs year in and year out. He's already on the hot seat in Indianapolis which is absurd, but I understand how spoiled those fans are. They went from one great quarterback to another.
I just don't want to be in the same position three or four years from now. Looking for our next head coach simply because Bill O'Brien couldn't find a good quarterback. I really hope that Ryan Mallett is our answer.
Speaking of the Chiefs, how about those two fumbles by Jamaal Charles last night? One was inside the red zone and likely cost the Chiefs 3 points at minimum. The other one was the big fumble returned for a Touchdown to lose the game late. He still had nice rushing numbers but is he really better than a healthy Arian Foster? I have this debate with my Longhorn friend all the time. He just loves Jamaal Charles. I didn't think he had that good of a game against us Week 1. A couple big gains is all.
I just don't want to be in the same position three or four years from now. Looking for our next head coach simply because Bill O'Brien couldn't find a good quarterback. I really hope that Ryan Mallett is our answer.
Speaking of the Chiefs, how about those two fumbles by Jamaal Charles last night? One was inside the red zone and likely cost the Chiefs 3 points at minimum. The other one was the big fumble returned for a Touchdown to lose the game late. He still had nice rushing numbers but is he really better than a healthy Arian Foster? I have this debate with my Longhorn friend all the time. He just loves Jamaal Charles. I didn't think he had that good of a game against us Week 1. A couple big gains is all.
At the risk of sounding too homerific, there's not a back in the game I'd take over a healthy Arian Foster.
On the ground, through the air, pass protect, protect the ball, move the chains, big gains.
That healthy part's a doozy though.
Scooter
Funky
Agreed. I bad-mouth him more than I should, but I'd take a healthy Foster over anyone else in the league. Charles is talented and insanely quick, but he doesn't have the strength of Foster and no one has Foster's vision.
texanhead08
All Pro
I am with you on Foster and he is so good at making the most out of nothing and not getting negative runs that put the offense off schedule. Thats why when he is out the Texans look so lost in the red zone and short yardage situations. In all honesty the oline was good in 2010-11 but they have been subpar ever since but Foster still puts up numbers when he is playing. That is what makes him so special is he is one of the smartest RB I have ever seen. There is a large segment of the fanbase that wants him gone, but we will really miss him when he is not a Texan anymore.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Keep Foster Weird - don't understand people who have a problem with him being a different cat.
I want to scream when annually someone wants to bring in a "big back" or run the fullback for goalline. First off he's a good sized back but more important he has a proven excellent nose for the endzone. When you find a Priest Holmes, E. Smith or Foster you don't worry about size.
Could/would have been in discussion for many more accolades if he could have stayed healthy.
Man when the Texans OL and Foster would groove especially with all the movement the extreme ZBS forces on the D you had a classic case of wearing a D down.
I want to scream when annually someone wants to bring in a "big back" or run the fullback for goalline. First off he's a good sized back but more important he has a proven excellent nose for the endzone. When you find a Priest Holmes, E. Smith or Foster you don't worry about size.
Could/would have been in discussion for many more accolades if he could have stayed healthy.
Man when the Texans OL and Foster would groove especially with all the movement the extreme ZBS forces on the D you had a classic case of wearing a D down.
How any games Foster misses is the deciding factor for me.
He's not worth the $$$$ he's getting paid.
You cant be the best RB in the NFL if you miss games.
He's not worth the $$$$ he's getting paid.
You cant be the best RB in the NFL if you miss games.
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Ok. That wasn't remotely the discussion.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yeah, that went off course hard left.